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ikt | anyone happen to have a google plus invite? | 06:34 |
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ikt | heya sagaci | 07:19 |
sagaci | hey | 07:30 |
ikt | got a google plus invite :D | 07:32 |
sagaci | nice | 07:34 |
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benonsoftware | head_victim: Hay | 09:36 |
head_victim | Evening | 09:39 |
benonsoftware | head_victim: Evening too you | 09:40 |
head_victim | Good to see some people filing in :) | 09:46 |
somethinginteres | head_victim: thought I might've been late :) | 09:46 |
head_victim | Nope, 15 mins still by my count | 09:46 |
somethinginteres | head_victim: awsome. Did a reminder make it out to twitter/facebook/identica? | 09:48 |
jaddi27 | first meeting as chair for me | 09:48 |
head_victim | I posted one during the week | 09:48 |
jaddi27 | somethinginteres: Yes, a message went to all of them | 09:48 |
somethinginteres | jaddi27: cool, cool. | 09:48 |
head_victim | Is it the sort of thing that's monitored immediately? Should I send another out? | 09:48 |
jaddi27 | I put one of Facebook, and the event showed up on Facebook again | 09:49 |
somethinginteres | head_victim: I don't think it would hurt to do another. A lot of people using twitter get instant updates. | 09:49 |
jaddi27 | head_victim: You could do one saying that the meeting is starting in a few minutes - It might get a few more people to remember it is on | 09:49 |
head_victim | Ok, I'm quite open to suggestions for tweets/dents to btw, I don't really know what I'm doing here but want to get on top of it all | 09:50 |
benonsoftware | Hi all | 09:50 |
jaddi27 | head_victim: I think you are doing fine at the moment. Not much else that needs to have been said, I think | 09:51 |
somethinginteres | jaddi27, head_victim: I agree | 09:51 |
head_victim | There's not a lot of people follwing yet but that should build | 09:51 |
head_victim | Trying not to upset everyone with random crap :) | 09:52 |
jellyware | evening everyone | 09:52 |
benonsoftware | jellyware, Evening | 09:53 |
benonsoftware | How is everyone tonight? | 09:54 |
head_victim | Pretty cold up here in Brisbane, it's only 14 degrees :/ | 09:55 |
jaddi27 | Fine, thanks. Just watching the netball grand final - a very intense game | 09:55 |
benonsoftware | jaddi27: Was watching that and Everybody Loves Rymond | 09:56 |
somethinginteres | Resting after being in Melbourne for the week. :) | 09:56 |
benonsoftware | somethinginteres: Where do you live? | 09:56 |
somethinginteres | benonsoftware: SA | 09:57 |
benonsoftware | somethinginteres: Ok | 09:57 |
benonsoftware | somethinginteres: Do you mind if I do this months reports and you do next? | 09:57 |
somethinginteres | benonsoftware: no worries at all. | 09:58 |
benonsoftware | somethinginteres: Thanks. It is just I can't come to the next meeting | 09:58 |
somethinginteres | benonsoftware: Ah, I see. No problem. If I was a better student I would be working on my research now but I'm not and I want to contribute like a boss. | 09:59 |
sagaci | Can i delay my item til later in the meeting | 10:00 |
benonsoftware | somethinginteres: The reason I can't come to the next few meetings is because of school | 10:00 |
sagaci | on a dodgy connection atm | 10:00 |
jaddi27 | sagaci: Yes, that is fine. Just reorder the agenda on l.u.c so I know | 10:00 |
sagaci | can't do on this symbian browser :3 | 10:00 |
benonsoftware | sagaci: Isn't it a sub of my item | 10:01 |
sagaci | yes | 10:01 |
head_victim | The browser was the real downside of symbian | 10:01 |
jaddi27 | Ok. I will just delay that until later | 10:01 |
benonsoftware | sagaci: Will that mean my item will get pushed too? | 10:01 |
sagaci | Nevermind, i'm here, just gotta login again | 10:02 |
sagaci | brb | 10:02 |
benonsoftware | Anyone feel it's later than what it is here? | 10:03 |
head_victim | 2003 is what my clock says | 10:03 |
jaddi27 | head_victim: Is there a special way to do the item for mootbot for sub-items? | 10:03 |
benonsoftware | head_victim: Same here | 10:03 |
gorilla | head_victim: same here also. | 10:03 |
sagaci | yeah, scrub mine for later | 10:03 |
head_victim | jaddi27: not really, I think you ahve to do a separate item or include it in one | 10:03 |
jaddi27 | head_victim: Ok | 10:04 |
jaddi27 | Is everyone ready to start? | 10:04 |
benonsoftware | Sure thing | 10:04 |
jellyware | yes | 10:04 |
mrshr3d | yep | 10:04 |
jaddi27 | #startmeeting | 10:04 |
MootBot | Meeting started at 05:04. The chair is jaddi27. | 10:04 |
MootBot | Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] | 10:04 |
jaddi27 | [LINK] http://loco.ubuntu.com/meetings/ubuntu-au/111/detail/ | 10:05 |
MootBot | LINK received: http://loco.ubuntu.com/meetings/ubuntu-au/111/detail/ | 10:05 |
jaddi27 | Agenda is at the above link | 10:05 |
benonsoftware | Got it | 10:05 |
jaddi27 | [TOPIC] Roll Call - Jared Norris | 10:05 |
MootBot | New Topic: Roll Call - Jared Norris | 10:05 |
head_victim | Gday all, wave your hands if you're here :) | 10:06 |
* benonsoftware waves | 10:06 | |
* mrshr3d waves | 10:06 | |
jellyware | waves | 10:06 |
jaddi27 | hi | 10:06 |
somethinginteres | here | 10:06 |
head_victim | While we're waving I would just like to say that I'm still following up about the website renewal. I don't have any further details on a timeline though. | 10:06 |
* gorilla waves | 10:07 | |
benonsoftware | and well done head_victim for submiting the bug report for approval | 10:07 |
head_victim | And, the team reapproval was put in really early Saturday morning AEST time. | 10:07 |
head_victim | I'm not sure on a timeline for hearing back about that other than it's been acknowledged as being received by the council at this stage. | 10:07 |
fabricator4 | Sorry, I'm late... | 10:07 |
jellyware | what do you mean by website renewal? I'm lost already jared | 10:07 |
head_victim | As always, I will definitely keep everyone up to date the second I hear anything | 10:07 |
jaddi27 | head_victim: Thanks a lot for submitting that. Hopefully we will get good feedback (and hopefully will be resume official status) | 10:08 |
benonsoftware | and also too point out about 25 other times are applying for approval too | 10:08 |
head_victim | jellyware: the last couple of meetings I've been keeping people up to date, I've submitted a request to Canonical to update the Drupal install for the website so we can install the newer looking Ubuntu themes to make it line up with the current branding. | 10:08 |
head_victim | The themes aren't available for the current version installed. | 10:08 |
jellyware | oh. cool. thanks head_victim | 10:08 |
Octatron | Hey everyone soz I'm late | 10:09 |
jaddi27 | Octatron: That is alright. just doing roll call | 10:09 |
head_victim | Cool, well that's all I had to update the team on and I think most people have indicated attendance. Over to you jaddi27 | 10:09 |
jaddi27 | [TOPIC] Ubuntu Global Jam - Benny | 10:10 |
MootBot | New Topic: Ubuntu Global Jam - Benny | 10:10 |
benonsoftware | Ready? | 10:10 |
jaddi27 | yes | 10:11 |
benonsoftware | [LINK] http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/global/1011/detail/ Ubuntu Global Jam | 10:11 |
MootBot | LINK received: http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/global/1011/detail/ Ubuntu Global Jam | 10:11 |
benonsoftware | I was just wondering what we are doing to do for the Jam? | 10:11 |
sagaci | hi | 10:11 |
benonsoftware | Are we going to have it on IRC or any other ideas? | 10:12 |
jaddi27 | I think sagaci will be organising a translation jam for the oneiric cycle | 10:12 |
sagaci | Yeah, I'd be happy to send out an email | 10:12 |
benonsoftware | jaddi27: So that's one thing down in NSW | 10:13 |
jaddi27 | benonsoftware: I think it would actually be done online | 10:13 |
sagaci | translation jam will be aus wide | 10:13 |
benonsoftware | Well that would be a great thig. | 10:13 |
benonsoftware | Anyone here good at bugs. I want one of them. :) | 10:13 |
benonsoftware | If someone teaches me how to do one online I would be happy to do a docs one. | 10:14 |
sagaci | an intro email and short description of progress and common strings to watch for, etc | 10:14 |
benonsoftware | Well I'm happy to do a Jam on Documentation | 10:15 |
jaddi27 | An online jam would be conducted here on IRC, where one person leads and everyone else can join in | 10:15 |
gorilla | the problem with doing a face-to-face meeting is finding a venue which is affordable and has internet connection of some sort. | 10:15 |
benonsoftware | gorilla: I know about venues | 10:15 |
benonsoftware | So anyone want a Documentation Jam? | 10:15 |
sagaci | writing and/or fixing documentation | 10:16 |
benonsoftware | sagaci: Yeah | 10:16 |
jaddi27 | [IDEA] benonsoftware to investigate holding a documentation jam and email the list with suggestions | 10:16 |
MootBot | IDEA received: benonsoftware to investigate holding a documentation jam and email the list with suggestions | 10:16 |
Octatron | gorilla: coffee shops? Zaraaffa's they have wifi | 10:17 |
mrshr3d | Same with Maccas | 10:17 |
benonsoftware | jaddi27: Sure | 10:17 |
benonsoftware | mrshr3d: Maccas no power points | 10:17 |
mrshr3d | ah....good point | 10:17 |
benonsoftware | jaddi27: Should someone register our team for it? | 10:17 |
gorilla | Octatron: you really need a separate corner or room. | 10:17 |
jaddi27 | the other problem is the distance that some would have to travel, because a lot of things that can be done as a jam can involve the entire team | 10:18 |
sagaci | [ACTION] sagaci to email list in re: translation jam for 11.10 | 10:18 |
sagaci | or is that a chair only thing... i guess so | 10:18 |
head_victim | action is chair only, idea is everyone. | 10:18 |
jaddi27 | [ACTION] sagaci to email list in re: translation jam for 11.10 | 10:19 |
MootBot | ACTION received: sagaci to email list in re: translation jam for 11.10 | 10:19 |
benonsoftware | So any over ideas for Jams? | 10:19 |
jaddi27 | benonsoftware: I think we will register for the jam a bit later, after we have finalised more of the events we are going to hold | 10:19 |
benonsoftware | jaddi27: Sure thing | 10:19 |
sagaci | leads onto my point about an install jam | 10:19 |
benonsoftware | sagaci: Sounds fun | 10:20 |
head_victim | sagaci: I like the idea of an install jam and would LOVE to combine it with SFD events around the country. | 10:20 |
jaddi27 | [TOPIC] Remote Installation Jam for Beta 1 - Joel Pickett | 10:20 |
MootBot | New Topic: Remote Installation Jam for Beta 1 - Joel Pickett | 10:20 |
sagaci | head_victim, are you referring to installfests or ubuntu-install looking-for-bugs jam | 10:21 |
* benonsoftware Will be a minute | 10:21 | |
jaddi27 | just logging it to make it easier to find in the minutes | 10:21 |
head_victim | sagaci: oh so you mean a testing install jam? | 10:21 |
gorilla | head_victim: regarding SFD, LUV (Linux Users of Victoria) have a comittee meeting tomorrow to decide that Melbourne is doing for SFD. | 10:21 |
gorilla | s/that/what/ | 10:21 |
Octatron | perhaps we need to take a different tack with this and all buy prepaid internet sticks for the location? | 10:22 |
sagaci | head_victim, yep | 10:22 |
sagaci | only need a couple to make it worthwhile | 10:22 |
* benonsoftware is back sorry | 10:22 | |
head_victim | gorilla: let me know if they want me to try for some CDs | 10:23 |
gorilla | head_victim: will do. | 10:23 |
head_victim | (or if you have spares from 10.10 still feel free to use them) | 10:23 |
sagaci | it's probably something that need to go to the mailing list, since I'll be able to consult about availability and security for my machine :3 | 10:24 |
mrshr3d | Octatron: For Brisbane I could probably organise to use a conference room with wi-fi access (would have to run it by Office Manager first), I work in the CBD. | 10:24 |
benonsoftware | Question: Should we choose a overall theme for the Jam? | 10:25 |
head_victim | benonsoftware: the overall theme is Ubuntu. | 10:25 |
Octatron | mrshr3d: sounds good, it's be good if somewhere could cater to us in return for advertising or the consistent purchase of food and drink | 10:25 |
head_victim | My suggestion is if people are volunteering to run jams to edit wiki pages in the /Projects section (reuse old ones if possible) and then mail the list. | 10:26 |
benonsoftware | head_victim: I mean say a installation type theme so I could do a docs one with installing | 10:26 |
benonsoftware | head_victim: Ok. (About /Projects) | 10:26 |
head_victim | benonsoftware: each jam is different, the translation jam is about translations, installation jams are about installations, bug jams are about bugs, etc. | 10:26 |
benonsoftware | head_victim: Got it | 10:26 |
jaddi27 | seeing as we are getting into the meeting, is there anything else before I move to the next topic? | 10:26 |
benonsoftware | Yeah | 10:27 |
mrshr3d | Octatron: didn't think that thru.... weekends are access card entry only anyway | 10:27 |
benonsoftware | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGlobalJam/LucidTrainingLogs/HowToRunAJam-2010-03-10 | 10:27 |
benonsoftware | That would be a good guide on how to run a Jam | 10:27 |
head_victim | Tis ok, I think public venues are better so that we can try and garner public interaction. | 10:27 |
* gorilla muses and propping open doors is a pain.. bad idea also. | 10:27 | |
sagaci | head_victim, install jams would be good too but I'd have to hold an ubuntu hour before that kind of commitment | 10:27 |
head_victim | sagaci: yep, hence why I think trying to tie into SFD is a good way of cross promotion | 10:28 |
benonsoftware | If my internet cuts out sorry. | 10:28 |
mrshr3d | sorry to sound ignorant, what is SFD? | 10:28 |
Octatron | Surely there are businesses that would find in their best interests to host us as a group every once in a while | 10:29 |
head_victim | Software Freedom Day, sorry, I should have said that to start with. | 10:29 |
gorilla | mrshr3d: software freedome day. | 10:29 |
mrshr3d | thx | 10:29 |
Octatron | Other than that prepaid internet would at least mean we need a venue | 10:29 |
benonsoftware | Octatron: Local community centre's are a good place | 10:30 |
* sagaci is brb in 5 | 10:30 | |
benonsoftware | Power points etc. | 10:30 |
head_victim | [IDEA] Create a thread for each jam on the mailing list and organise them on the wiki | 10:30 |
MootBot | IDEA received: Create a thread for each jam on the mailing list and organise them on the wiki | 10:30 |
gorilla | benonsoftware: they can be booked out by regaulr groups.. and may cost. | 10:30 |
head_victim | Next up? | 10:30 |
jaddi27 | I think we should aim to move on to the next topic now | 10:30 |
benonsoftware | New users I think | 10:31 |
jaddi27 | [TOPIC] Induction for new members - Clinton Hunter | 10:31 |
MootBot | New Topic: Induction for new members - Clinton Hunter | 10:31 |
head_victim | jaddi27: good idea, further conversation should go to the ML, there's a full roster of topics tonight. | 10:31 |
jellyware | hang on. what happened to Update of Local CD Mailout Service | 10:31 |
benonsoftware | Is mrshr3d here? | 10:31 |
jellyware | point 3 | 10:31 |
mrshr3d | Yeah thought it would be good to have something formal around that, or is ad-hoc preferred? | 10:31 |
jaddi27 | jellyware: that is point 4 | 10:32 |
mrshr3d | ie have a session on translating...I certainly have no idea how that works at present | 10:32 |
jellyware | cool. thanks | 10:32 |
head_victim | mrshr3d: I think it's a good idea, but we're already halfway through the hour and no where near half way on the topic list, would new users be comfortable posting to the mailin glist? | 10:33 |
jaddi27 | mrshr3d: I guess we could formalise the structure a bit more | 10:33 |
head_victim | Or do you mean in general? | 10:33 |
benonsoftware | Well I'm a 2 month old member.For me the list is easy | 10:33 |
head_victim | Because if you just want to formalise the process a bit more I'd suggest having a play with https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AustralianTeam/Members/NewMembers and see what you come up with | 10:34 |
mrshr3d | I've signed up for the mailing list but haven't posted on it. | 10:34 |
* blahdeblah waves hi - sorry i'm late | 10:35 | |
jaddi27 | We might be able to improve the website to detail what is available to new members | 10:35 |
jaddi27 | Even if it is just a mimic of the wiki page | 10:35 |
benonsoftware | jaddi27: Good idea | 10:35 |
somethinginteres | I'm wondering if there's a specific need for the site to be in its current form rather than just directing to the wiki? | 10:36 |
head_victim | jaddi27: we could add it to the contact us link or create a different join us link that just points to it. | 10:36 |
benonsoftware | somethinginteres: One word. Planet :) | 10:37 |
mrshr3d | maybe listing activities members can help out with and if they need to know how, ask in the mailing list or on IRC? | 10:37 |
head_victim | somethinginteres: the idea of the site is to post news and events. The idea of the wiki is to collaborate and organise. | 10:37 |
head_victim | The current issue with the website is the lack of contributed content (which btw, anyone can add to, just need to ping an admin to spellcheck and approve) | 10:37 |
jaddi27 | head_victim: I think we could make a new Join Us link on the header - nice and prominent | 10:37 |
blahdeblah | head_victim: Don't forget its other purposes: showing off our great web design skills and Canonical's speedy Drupal upgrade policy ;-) | 10:38 |
head_victim | blahdeblah: yeah :/ It's being worked on still with no estimated time of completion yet. | 10:38 |
somethinginteres | speaking from just my personal experience it actually took me a long time to find the wiki. I think given the usefulness of the info it contains it could be more visable somehow.. just thinking aloud here. | 10:39 |
head_victim | Ok mrshr3d so if we completed the detail on the wiki and made it more prominent that would suit? | 10:39 |
benonsoftware | head_victim: To be honest I got lost when I wanted to join | 10:39 |
mrshr3d | sounds good, the simpler the better I think :-) | 10:39 |
blahdeblah | somethinginteres: So at least two links in the header of the web site isn't enough? | 10:39 |
somethinginteres | the other thing is some people may not even understand what a wiki is | 10:39 |
somethinginteres | blahdeblah: evidently not. When I first discovered the site I "got lost" as it were. I wasn't aware of what the wiki contained, wasn't aware that it was the meat of content for e.g. | 10:40 |
benonsoftware | Anything else? | 10:40 |
head_victim | blahdeblah: I might rejig the description a tiny bit on the welcome bar of the website. | 10:41 |
jaddi27 | [ACTION] Website to be updated to have a link for new members | 10:41 |
MootBot | ACTION received: Website to be updated to have a link for new members | 10:41 |
jaddi27 | [TOPIC] Update of Local CD Mailout Service - jellyware | 10:41 |
MootBot | New Topic: Update of Local CD Mailout Service - jellyware | 10:41 |
jellyware | the aussie cd mailout is still ticking along. $3/disc, posted anywhere in australia. I have just updated ubuntu.net.au to wordpress | 10:42 |
benonsoftware | Has anyone ordered from this yet? | 10:42 |
blahdeblah | somethinginteres: Was http://www.ubuntu.org.au/node/11 there when you started looking? head_victim and i updated it a few months back to make it clearer | 10:42 |
benonsoftware | jellyware: Do you run it? | 10:42 |
jellyware | I get an order every day or two... | 10:42 |
jellyware | benonsoftware, yes, I run this | 10:42 |
benonsoftware | jellyware: Well done! | 10:42 |
jellyware | thanks | 10:42 |
fabricator4 | Benonsoftware: I got Natty through the mailout | 10:43 |
benonsoftware | jellyware: Love that it is using WordPress | 10:43 |
fabricator4 | Great service | 10:43 |
jellyware | its my contribution since I'm no good with the tech stuff | 10:43 |
somethinginteres | blahdeblah: no I don't believe it was. | 10:43 |
head_victim | jellyware: looks nice | 10:43 |
head_victim | blahdeblah: it's there for me | 10:43 |
jellyware | I need to clean up the working I know... | 10:43 |
jellyware | thats all I wanted to say | 10:44 |
head_victim | Cool, keep up the great work | 10:44 |
sagaci | jellyware, need any help? | 10:44 |
somethinginteres | jellyware: what's the "open disc dvd"? | 10:45 |
benonsoftware | somethinginteres: I think it has free open source Windows software if I'm not mistaken | 10:45 |
jellyware | somethinginteres, you can google it. its basically edubuntu with a bunch of open source apps for windows users so they can dip their toes | 10:45 |
head_victim | somethinginteres: good point though, maybe include a link to the homepage for the project as well? | 10:46 |
benonsoftware | jellyware: Weill that's great | 10:46 |
somethinginteres | jellyware: ah, cool! | 10:46 |
jellyware | sagaci, send me an email. I think I'm ok at the moment but I can keep you in mind. thanks | 10:46 |
head_victim | sorry that was for jellyware | 10:46 |
somethinginteres | head_victim: yeah. I think that'd be a good idea | 10:46 |
somethinginteres | head_victim: woops :) | 10:46 |
jellyware | will do head_victim | 10:46 |
head_victim | Sweet, half way through the list :) | 10:47 |
* gorilla looks at clock and realise eek! | 10:47 | |
sagaci | jellyware, i'd be more inclined to help for the 12.04 LTS cycle, due to demand, etc | 10:47 |
somethinginteres | maybe a link to the AU loco on there too? | 10:47 |
benonsoftware | head_victim: Knw the hard half | 10:47 |
jaddi27 | Ok. any further points relating to the CD mailout service? | 10:47 |
jellyware | sure somethinginteres | 10:47 |
jellyware | I have to do some cleaning up | 10:47 |
jaddi27 | [TOPIC] Find more events to go to - Clinton Hunter | 10:48 |
MootBot | New Topic: Find more events to go to - Clinton Hunter | 10:48 |
mrshr3d | Being aware of the time happy to skip this until next month. | 10:48 |
mrshr3d | plus I have already had one topic of mine discussed tonight don't want to be greedy. | 10:48 |
jaddi27 | Yes, that is a good idea. | 10:48 |
jaddi27 | [ACTION] Move these topics to the next meeting | 10:48 |
benonsoftware | I can skip mine | 10:48 |
MootBot | ACTION received: Move these topics to the next meeting | 10:48 |
head_victim | mrshr3d: cool, also, feel free to ask on the mailing list | 10:49 |
jaddi27 | [TOPIC] Mission Statement - Chris | 10:49 |
MootBot | New Topic: Mission Statement - Chris | 10:49 |
jaddi27 | apologies for not using IRC nicks in topics - I am just copying them from l.u.c | 10:49 |
fabricator4 | [LINK]https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AustralianTeam/MissionStatement | 10:49 |
MootBot | LINK received: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AustralianTeam/MissionStatement | 10:49 |
gorilla | Is there a point of having one? /devil advocat. | 10:49 |
benonsoftware | jaddi27: That's fine | 10:49 |
head_victim | I like the idea of updating the mission statement. | 10:49 |
fabricator4 | I think it would be a good idea to update the mission statement | 10:50 |
blahdeblah | gorilla++ | 10:50 |
head_victim | I think we could probably include the next topic in the same discussion as I don't see formal goals working well but if we put general goals into the mission statement it would cover both bases. | 10:50 |
blahdeblah | Keep up the good work, gorilla :-P | 10:50 |
fabricator4 | When I was looking at the loco originally it wasn't clear what the loco did or how it worked | 10:50 |
jaddi27 | head_victim: I agree with that | 10:50 |
head_victim | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AustralianTeam | 10:50 |
benonsoftware | Hold on while I find the UF link | 10:50 |
head_victim | THe first paragraph of that page is what I call "the mission statement" now | 10:51 |
gorilla | blahdeblah: you can stop now. :-) | 10:51 |
head_victim | I'm all for tweaking that to suit our needs better and including it on the website if that helps? | 10:51 |
benonsoftware | http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1787200 Ubuntu Forms Post | 10:51 |
MootBot | LINK received: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1787200 Ubuntu Forms Post | 10:51 |
fabricator4 | headvictim: I deliberately made them separate topics so as not to confuse the issue. I didn't think the mission statement should get buried under discussions about team goals etc. | 10:52 |
head_victim | fabricator4: ah ok, I just don't see how we can be accountable for goals and if we're not accountable how can we set them. | 10:52 |
gorilla | head_victim: Remove the first sentence as it doesn't really adding anything. we know is a home page | 10:52 |
head_victim | gorilla: I think it's a copy/paste of the website heading as well | 10:53 |
gorilla | head_victim: oh :-/ | 10:53 |
head_victim | Maybe by changing them to suit the medium they're on we can reduce confusion of what the wiki and website are for. | 10:53 |
head_victim | [IDEA] Make the wiki welcome more wiki specific | 10:53 |
MootBot | IDEA received: Make the wiki welcome more wiki specific | 10:53 |
jaddi27 | I second that idea. I think that will remove a lot of confusion that people experience | 10:54 |
fabricator4 | Is it possible to make the Mission statment heading part of the website menu. | 10:54 |
benonsoftware | fabricator4: I think it is | 10:54 |
head_victim | fabricator4: our current "mission statement" already is there | 10:54 |
jaddi27 | fabricator4: Do you mean add a link to Mission Statement? | 10:55 |
head_victim | So it's more updating the current one if we feel the need. | 10:55 |
fabricator4 | head_victim: it's on the first page, but it's not part of the menu/header. I think it should have it's own page. | 10:55 |
fabricator4 | jaddi27: yes I mean a link :-) | 10:55 |
jaddi27 | I think that there are a few things that should be made clearer on the website that will happen with the new template | 10:56 |
head_victim | fabricator4: ah ok, well I think the length of it will determine that. If it's only a sentence or so it would seem odd on it's own page, but if it becomes a 2 paragraph affair I see your point | 10:56 |
jaddi27 | Can we work out what we would like to do with the mission statement? | 10:57 |
head_victim | I don't recall, has it made the mailing list yet? | 10:57 |
benonsoftware | head_victim: Yeah. Well I'm sure it has | 10:58 |
fabricator4 | I think kyphi had some good ideas which were posted to the discussion page. | 10:58 |
head_victim | Cool, well I personally prefer to keep it short enough to be a sentence or two so if I go through the wiki page, pull out the feedback from people and post to the list for objections would that be a good way to decide on it? | 10:59 |
jaddi27 | yes, I think that would be a good way to go | 10:59 |
fabricator4 | sure, if that's the way to do. Do we have to decide tonight after all? | 10:59 |
benonsoftware | https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-au/2011-June/007263.html Here is the mailing list subject | 10:59 |
benonsoftware | [LINK] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-au/2011-June/007263.html | 11:00 |
MootBot | LINK received: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-au/2011-June/007263.html | 11:00 |
fabricator4 | I'm happy to re-open this on the mailing list and pull a few things together... | 11:00 |
jaddi27 | [ACTION] head_victim to work out a mission statement based on feedback, and post to the mailing list | 11:00 |
MootBot | ACTION received: head_victim to work out a mission statement based on feedback, and post to the mailing list | 11:00 |
benonsoftware | fabricator4: Sure thing. Sounds good | 11:00 |
fabricator4 | Thanks :-) | 11:01 |
jaddi27 | Take that action to mean head_victim and fabricator4 as the people working on it then | 11:01 |
fabricator4 | Sure. headvictim? | 11:02 |
jaddi27 | I would like to move on to the next topic now, to get finished | 11:02 |
jaddi27 | [TOPIC] Declaration of Goals - Chris | 11:02 |
MootBot | New Topic: Declaration of Goals - Chris | 11:02 |
fabricator4 | This one is not so clear to me | 11:02 |
fabricator4 | Setting goals it a good thing, and the idea came of the previous discussion | 11:02 |
benonsoftware | I think we should have say a 12 month goal. | 11:02 |
head_victim | fabricator4: I'll collate the feedback from the wiki and post to the list :) | 11:02 |
fabricator4 | If we set goals they have to be achievable, but how at the goals decided on? | 11:03 |
benonsoftware | fabricator4: Team? | 11:04 |
head_victim | To me the issue is if we set easy goals there is no challenge, if we set hard ones and don't reach them what happens then? | 11:04 |
jaddi27 | I think that it could be difficult to measure what we have achieved with the goals | 11:04 |
benonsoftware | head_victim: Then we should break the goals gone | 11:04 |
head_victim | I think if we freshen the mission statement and use that as our rolling goal that would work to a similar effect | 11:04 |
fabricator4 | If we set easy goals and achieve them, then we can set harder ones next time. | 11:05 |
mrshr3d | I think it is hard to set "achievable" goals...in that our goals are ongoing, (e.g. promote Ubuntu and help new users with Ubuntu) | 11:05 |
fabricator4 | mrshr3d: shouldn't that be part of the mission statement? | 11:05 |
somethinginteres | mrshr3d: I agree | 11:05 |
head_victim | The main issue we have is the team is voluntary and constantly changing with people's abilities fluctuating with other commitments. | 11:05 |
jaddi27 | I can see why you would want a list of goals, but after reading some of the mission statements, they sort of include the goals | 11:06 |
gorilla | Setting goals could make it difficult to achive someting that is not aligned with the agreed goals. | 11:06 |
benonsoftware | Just to let you know I have to go soon | 11:06 |
gorilla | in that they can be used to reject an otherwise idea becuae it's not a goal for the next 12 months or whatever the period is. | 11:06 |
mrshr3d | it kind of blurs the distinction for sure. I guess it could be measured in some way - how many users have quit Windows and are Ubuntu through our efforts this year. | 11:07 |
head_victim | I see our current goal as becoming reapproved, not for the sake of just being "official" again but reapproval in itself shows an improvement in team performance. | 11:07 |
head_victim | mrshr3d: how do you measure that goal? | 11:07 |
fabricator4 | gorilla: I agree... kind of. | 11:07 |
fabricator4 | h_v: if you get approval , then you achieved the goal? | 11:08 |
jaddi27 | I think that it would partially achieve the goal, because we have to continue to keep the status | 11:09 |
mrshr3d | head_victim: exactly, I think for a team like it is hard to set goals that are measurable | 11:09 |
head_victim | mrshr3d: ah ok, sorry I thought you were suggesting an example goal. | 11:09 |
fabricator4 | Benonsoftware's idea of a yearly goal isn't so bad, lookinglike this... | 11:09 |
benonsoftware | fabricator4: well that's what we do in school :) | 11:10 |
fabricator4 | :-) | 11:10 |
jaddi27 | I think there are always mini-goals along the way | 11:10 |
head_victim | The problem is finding something measurable that is relevant. | 11:10 |
benonsoftware | I have to go in 5 minutes | 11:10 |
head_victim | If people can come up with something relevant and measurable I'm all ears. | 11:10 |
jaddi27 | eg. Translations should be completed by the end of the year, hopefully by oneiric release | 11:10 |
fabricator4 | head_victim: I agree, and it's the reason I had some misgivings about proposing it. | 11:10 |
benonsoftware | head_victim: I just finished completing one templatie for translations. Maybe all of them by 12.04 | 11:11 |
jaddi27 | my idea would be to fix up the mission statement to make it clearer what we are trying to achieve as a team, and then assess whether or not we will need further goals to keep us on track | 11:11 |
fabricator4 | jaddi27: agreed | 11:12 |
head_victim | jaddi27: That's a good way to go I think. I'll collate the mission statement ideas, email the team and open it for discussion. | 11:12 |
gorilla | jaddi27: good idea. | 11:12 |
benonsoftware | jaddi27: I have to go now. Any other things I must be here for? | 11:12 |
head_victim | benonsoftware: you had the last topic | 11:12 |
gorilla | oop | 11:12 |
gorilla | s | 11:12 |
jaddi27 | [TOPIC] Kubuntu - Benny | 11:12 |
MootBot | New Topic: Kubuntu - Benny | 11:12 |
jaddi27 | just quickly for benonsoftware | 11:13 |
benonsoftware | Basicly I was wondering what is the support for Kubuntu in AU? | 11:13 |
head_victim | Just quickly, I don't see this as a separate thing, we displayed Kubuntu, Lubuntu and Ubuntu all together at LCA | 11:13 |
* gorilla confirms that one. | 11:13 | |
mrshr3d | Is the main difference just KDE rather than Gnome/Unity? | 11:13 |
benonsoftware | Sorry have to go | 11:13 |
jaddi27 | yes | 11:13 |
head_victim | Just because we're "UbuntuAU" doesn't mean lots of people don't use Kubuntu | 11:13 |
gorilla | benonsoftware: you can grab the transscipt later one. | 11:14 |
jaddi27 | maybe we can make that clearer on the wiki and website | 11:14 |
jaddi27 | well I think that will be all for the meeting | 11:14 |
gorilla | perhaps a straw poll could be a good idea also. | 11:14 |
head_victim | gorilla: feel free to start one on the ML :) | 11:14 |
jaddi27 | anything else that should be discussed now? | 11:14 |
head_victim | gorilla: or forum | 11:15 |
jaddi27 | seems to be nothing else | 11:15 |
head_victim | jaddi27: I'm out of ideas :) I think you've done a good job with the long list of topics we had to cover. | 11:15 |
gorilla | head_victim: forum then :-) | 11:15 |
jaddi27 | Thanks everyone for attending the meeting. We have got a lot discussed in the time we had | 11:15 |
jaddi27 | #endmeeting | 11:16 |
MootBot | Meeting finished at 06:16. | 11:16 |
gorilla | jaddi27: well done on keeping the meeting moving :-) | 11:16 |
fabricator4 | Thanks all. | 11:16 |
head_victim | Next one is 14/08, same time :) | 11:16 |
jaddi27 | gorilla: Thanks. It was certainly an interesting meeting to do for a first meeting as chair | 11:16 |
jaddi27 | I will update the wiki to have the next meeting date, and send an email out with the link to the new agenda | 11:17 |
head_victim | jaddi27: nice work :) | 11:18 |
head_victim | It's been good to get the help from yourself and others with the team basics. | 11:18 |
jaddi27 | head_victim: I am happy to help out with that | 11:18 |
head_victim | When you've emailed the list the meeting details I'll tweet/dent it. | 11:19 |
head_victim | You've bookmarked the "todolist" page? | 11:19 |
jaddi27 | I think I have it somewhere there | 11:19 |
head_victim | Cool, makes it easy to figure out what needs doing. I'll take care of the topic when the next meeting info is posted to loco.u.c as well | 11:20 |
jaddi27 | head_victim: On the l.u.c page for ubuntu-au, have you had a look at the new timezone options? | 11:20 |
head_victim | jaddi27: yeah, I'm not sure what to do with that. | 11:20 |
jaddi27 | what options are there for the overall team settings? | 11:21 |
head_victim | It's all event/meeting specific I believe | 11:21 |
jaddi27 | Ok. I was not sure if was per team as well as per event/meeting | 11:21 |
head_victim | Just confirming now. | 11:22 |
head_victim | Ahh I CAN set a default timezone | 11:22 |
head_victim | But I'm not sure I should change it from UTC? | 11:22 |
jaddi27 | I think it might be better changing it to AEST, seeing as we advertise the time in that timezone | 11:22 |
jaddi27 | and it does say on the meeting page what timezone the event/meeting is in now, so it is not as confusing | 11:23 |
head_victim | Ok, anyone here from the western half of AU to make sure we wont offend you doing that? | 11:23 |
head_victim | gorilla: from memory you're in SA? | 11:24 |
gorilla | head_victim: nope. Melbourne. | 11:24 |
head_victim | Hm, sorry, probably just offended you with that :P | 11:24 |
gorilla | I was in SA for a number of years but wasn't from there originally either. | 11:24 |
gorilla | you were partly right ;-) | 11:25 |
head_victim | Ah, maybe it was somethinginteres | 11:25 |
somethinginteres | head_victim: yep :D | 11:25 |
gorilla | go ahead.. see who becomes offended :-D | 11:25 |
head_victim | As a SA'er would you be overly offended if we advertised team events in UTC+10 ? | 11:25 |
head_victim | Or is it something you're used to? | 11:25 |
somethinginteres | head_victim: I am used to converting timezones, so that's no worries, as long as the timezone is indicated it's no problem. | 11:26 |
head_victim | somethinginteres: ok, just don't want people feeling left out | 11:26 |
head_victim | And always living in Brisbane I'm not sure what the TZ issue is like for others. | 11:27 |
jaddi27 | somethinginteres: Are you on Facebook, and if yes, are you a member of the Ubuntu Australia group? | 11:27 |
head_victim | So, next question, UTC+10 or Sydney/Melbourne time? | 11:27 |
somethinginteres | jaddi27: yes and yes | 11:27 |
head_victim | As there is a slight difference, in daylight savings. | 11:27 |
jaddi27 | What time does it list for the meeting tonight on your browser? | 11:27 |
fabricator4 | UTC+10 | 11:27 |
jaddi27 | on facebook | 11:27 |
jaddi27 | head_victim: UTC+10 | 11:29 |
head_victim | jaddi27: done | 11:29 |
mrshr3d | If you write it as AEST (UTC+10) and AEDST (UTC+11) in summer it would avoid any confusion | 11:29 |
head_victim | It's set at UTC+10, it's an issue every year when daylight savings rolls around :/ | 11:30 |
jaddi27 | mrshr3d: from memory, in the past we have used AEST for meeting times during the daylight saving time | 11:30 |
gorilla | jaddi27: that's my recollection also. | 11:30 |
head_victim | jaddi27: can you double check the August meeting on the loco.u.c now as playing with the settings may have changed it | 11:30 |
* gorilla thinks AU has too many timezones! | 11:31 | |
head_victim | I think we've actually done both. | 11:31 |
head_victim | gorilla: I concur. We should all move to BRISBANE time :) | 11:31 |
gorilla | head_victim: better idea than everyone moving to Brisbane :-P | 11:31 |
* mrshr3d thinks Daylight Savings is a hack for something that isn't broken :-) | 11:31 | |
fabricator4 | h_v: Brisbane time is the only correct time :-) | 11:31 |
head_victim | gorilla: yeah, you can stay there, just follow our rules :P | 11:32 |
jaddi27 | http://loco.ubuntu.com/meetings/ubuntu-au/130/detail/ | 11:33 |
jaddi27 | The new timezone data is set now | 11:33 |
gorilla | head_victim: like defending the merits of drinking XXXX? | 11:33 |
jaddi27 | I think it looks alright | 11:33 |
head_victim | jaddi27: yeah no idea what the -1000 on the end is | 11:33 |
gorilla | head_victim: offset without the : | 11:34 |
head_victim | But looks ok | 11:34 |
jaddi27 | the 1000 means 10 hours | 11:34 |
fabricator4 | Yeah, why does it say : GMT+10 (-1000) | 11:34 |
jaddi27 | but I can't remember why the '-' is there | 11:34 |
fabricator4 | Should be +1000 then | 11:34 |
head_victim | No idea, as long as it works. | 11:34 |
gorilla | yeah.. I reckon that someone has stuffed up :-) | 11:35 |
jaddi27 | That would make sense, but I am fairly sure I have seen it like that before. I will look into it | 11:35 |
head_victim | Now I just need to assimilate the calendar to my google account and I'm set | 11:35 |
fabricator4 | gorilla: someone on the other side of the world has stuffed up. | 11:35 |
gorilla | fabricator4: usually the case ;-) | 11:36 |
fabricator4 | :-) | 11:36 |
head_victim | Is http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/ubuntu-au/ical the best link to get meetings AND events? | 11:36 |
head_victim | (I just right clicked ont he ical feed and selected copy link) | 11:36 |
mrshr3d | or is it saying to convert it back to GMT, subtract 10 hours? | 11:37 |
jaddi27 | I think it might be something like that. I will look through the code to find what they are doing | 11:37 |
jaddi27 | head_victim: Yes, I am fairly sure that is the right one | 11:38 |
fabricator4 | mrshr3e; seems redudant | 11:38 |
gorilla | fabricator4: perhaps it's to cater for the maths challenged :-P | 11:38 |
head_victim | jaddi27: when I add it to google it thinks it's UTC time not _10 | 11:39 |
jaddi27 | That means they have not added in the proper data for ical creation with their timezone update | 11:39 |
jaddi27 | I will look at it again and try to get them to fix i | 11:39 |
head_victim | Google or loco.u? | 11:40 |
gorilla | google calendar is showing that the meeting will be at 4PM tomorrow. | 11:43 |
jaddi27 | head_victim: loco.u might have to be fixed | 11:43 |
jaddi27 | still looking at the code | 11:44 |
head_victim | jaddi27: cool, they just pushed a new version so I'm sure patches welcome ;) | 11:47 |
head_victim | Not that I could ever patch anything | 11:48 |
head_victim | If you're ever looking for them they hang in -community and -website | 11:52 |
head_victim | jaddi27: could just take some time to update and refresh since I've only jsut changed it from UTC ? | 11:54 |
jaddi27 | I guess it could | 11:54 |
jaddi27 | the main issue could be in their code | 11:54 |
jaddi27 | if it is setting the ical feed to be UTC, and the event times do not have timezone data with them, then the ical feed will not be correct | 11:55 |
head_victim | And I can't adjust the TZ in the google calendar after adding it either. | 11:55 |
jaddi27 | i am just trying to find out if they are including timezone data in the start and end times for the ical | 11:55 |
jaddi27 | no, that is one annoying feature of google calendar | 11:56 |
jaddi27 | however, i can't do that in thunderbird either, so it is not just google | 11:56 |
head_victim | Maybe it's more complex then we think | 11:56 |
head_victim | What about we do set it to UTC then so that everyone's calendars auto update to reflect whatever their local is set to? | 11:57 |
jaddi27 | yes and no. i think if the ical feed is fixed up a bit, it should work better, but i just have to work out what they have in their code | 11:57 |
head_victim | Ok I'll stop pestering, let me know if I can be useful in the process | 11:57 |
jaddi27 | maybe at the moment that would be easiest. i just need more time than tonight to work out how to fix it | 11:57 |
jaddi27 | you are not pestering - those questions are perfectly fine | 11:58 |
head_victim | Ok so I'm setting back to UTC for now? | 11:58 |
* gorilla goes off to check the calendar on his web site. | 11:59 | |
sagaci | how'd the end of the meeting go | 12:00 |
gorilla | hey, wb sagaci. the meeting went well. | 12:01 |
head_victim | sagaci: pretty good | 12:01 |
jaddi27 | yes, set it back to UTC | 12:02 |
head_victim | jaddi27: done :) | 12:02 |
head_victim | Hah it's still wrong | 12:03 |
head_victim | Maybe it just takes a while to update the settings | 12:03 |
jaddi27 | it might have to be imported again | 12:04 |
head_victim | Nah I removed it and readded it | 12:04 |
fabricator4 | 06:00 - 07:15 UTC (+0000) Isn't that 4PM? | 12:04 |
head_victim | It was showing up for me as 1600 in both occasions a day late | 12:05 |
jaddi27 | i just have to change it again | 12:06 |
jaddi27 | i wonder if it was set to GMT-10? | 12:06 |
head_victim | Possible | 12:06 |
head_victim | That would be right then and the -1000 would make sense? | 12:06 |
gorilla | a lot of systems will cache ical files. | 12:06 |
head_victim | But we've never ahd it set to -10 as far as I know | 12:07 |
* gorilla goes off to get dinner. | 12:08 | |
jaddi27 | no, i didn't think so | 12:08 |
gorilla | Night All | 12:08 |
head_victim | Night gorilla | 12:08 |
jaddi27 | night gorilla | 12:08 |
fabricator4 | Goodnight | 12:08 |
head_victim | jaddi27: how about +10 and we leave it a day to settle? | 12:08 |
jaddi27 | I think leave it on UTC, and I will look through the code to find what is happening | 12:08 |
head_victim | No worries | 12:09 |
jaddi27 | head_victim: when will the meeting log come up on http://www.novarata.net/mootbot/? | 12:10 |
jaddi27 | I thought it was fairly quick last time | 12:10 |
head_victim | I think it's a cron script so could be an hour or two | 12:11 |
jaddi27 | ok | 12:12 |
jaddi27 | the translations are going well - we are down to 113781 strings in natty now | 12:12 |
head_victim | Yeah you and sagaci are really leading the charge | 12:12 |
sagaci | 69.2% | 12:13 |
jaddi27 | I didn't know anything about how to do it until a couple of weeks ago | 12:13 |
jaddi27 | a lot easier than I thought it would be | 12:14 |
head_victim | Hah nice, yeah it's not hard at all if you use rosetta | 12:14 |
sagaci | there will be bugs | 12:15 |
head_victim | sagaci: yep but it seems you've worked out how to fix them already | 12:15 |
jaddi27 | bugs in the translations? | 12:16 |
jaddi27 | and how do you fix them? | 12:16 |
head_victim | Well I'm off for a while, thanks for chairing tonigiht jaddi27 and good to see you and sagaci working well together :) | 12:17 |
sagaci | jaddi27, like if the original string has a typo, etc | 12:17 |
jaddi27 | That's fine. It is looking like the team is getting more on track now | 12:17 |
sagaci | head_victim, just quickly, any news on the reapproval | 12:18 |
sagaci | obv not and any news would be on the mailing list already, i think | 12:20 |
jaddi27 | sagaci: Have you ever got the message 'There are 2 errors in the translations you provided. Please correct them before continuing.'? Do you know what it means? | 12:22 |
sagaci | nope...? | 12:23 |
jaddi27 | I cannot see anything that I have to do, so it is a bit odd | 12:24 |
jaddi27 | I think we are doing the same package | 12:25 |
jaddi27 | that must be where the error came from | 12:25 |
sagaci | oneiric is at 161000 | 12:26 |
sagaci | but that will drop once the focus is shifted to oneiric | 12:26 |
sagaci | still probably +20,000 strings or so | 12:26 |
jaddi27 | yes | 12:26 |
sagaci | i'd like it done by 12.04, which is still a long way to go but the more we do sooner, means we don't have to jam it in later | 12:27 |
sagaci | excuse the pun | 12:27 |
jaddi27 | i plan on keeping on working on it, but might do not as much during uni | 12:29 |
sagaci | you're on sem break? | 12:30 |
jaddi27 | yes, at the moment | 12:31 |
jaddi27 | go back on july 25 | 12:31 |
sagaci | two weeks | 12:32 |
jaddi27 | yep | 12:34 |
sagaci | ah well, at least most of the main packages ordinary users would use are done | 12:34 |
jaddi27 | yes, that is good | 12:35 |
jaddi27 | where are firefox and chromium translated? | 12:35 |
sagaci | firefox has been done | 12:35 |
jaddi27 | i just thought i read somewhere saying that firefox and thunderbird are not translated through rosetta | 12:36 |
jaddi27 | is that right, or am i mixed up a bit? | 12:36 |
head_victim | sagaci: no news, the only thing I've had is an acknowledgement that it's been logged | 12:38 |
* head_victim disappears again | 12:38 | |
* sagaci sees the magic smoke | 12:38 | |
sagaci | https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/natty/+source/firefox/+pots/firefox | 12:39 |
sagaci | not 100% sure about chromium-browser | 12:40 |
sagaci | i need to shoot an email to get lp-en_AU registered as a proper team | 12:40 |
jaddi27 | it is not a proper team at the moment? | 12:44 |
sagaci | not the lp translators team for en_AU, might be getting confused with the ubuntu-au translation team | 12:45 |
sagaci | i know, confusing | 12:45 |
jaddi27 | right | 12:46 |
jaddi27 | i thought there were two teams | 12:47 |
jaddi27 | makes sense now | 12:47 |
jaddi27 | i will be off now | 12:52 |
jaddi27 | night | 12:52 |
sagaci | night | 12:53 |
ikt | how did the meeting go? | 13:27 |
ikt | sagaci, you there? | 13:54 |
ikt | or even head_victim ? | 13:55 |
head_victim | ikt: yeah I"m here now. Went well, there should be an email on the list about it soonish | 14:41 |
ikt | sweet | 14:44 |
ikt | did you want a google plus invite? | 14:44 |
ikt | doesn't matter, just tried to share an invite with your gmail address | 14:45 |
ikt | laters :) | 14:45 |
head_victim | Heh no worries, just add me mate | 14:46 |
head_victim | I gotta jet myself, hopefully the email should be tthere in the next day or so | 14:46 |
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