=== gorilla is now known as Guest80 === Guest80 is now known as gorilla === gorilla is now known as Guest77634 [06:34] anyone happen to have a google plus invite? [07:19] heya sagaci [07:30] hey [07:32] got a google plus invite :D [07:34] nice === Guest77634 is now known as gorilla [09:36] head_victim: Hay [09:39] Evening [09:40] head_victim: Evening too you [09:46] Good to see some people filing in :) [09:46] head_victim: thought I might've been late :) [09:46] Nope, 15 mins still by my count [09:48] head_victim: awsome. Did a reminder make it out to twitter/facebook/identica? [09:48] first meeting as chair for me [09:48] I posted one during the week [09:48] somethinginteres: Yes, a message went to all of them [09:48] jaddi27: cool, cool. [09:48] Is it the sort of thing that's monitored immediately? Should I send another out? [09:49] I put one of Facebook, and the event showed up on Facebook again [09:49] head_victim: I don't think it would hurt to do another. A lot of people using twitter get instant updates. [09:49] head_victim: You could do one saying that the meeting is starting in a few minutes - It might get a few more people to remember it is on [09:50] Ok, I'm quite open to suggestions for tweets/dents to btw, I don't really know what I'm doing here but want to get on top of it all [09:50] Hi all [09:51] head_victim: I think you are doing fine at the moment. Not much else that needs to have been said, I think [09:51] jaddi27, head_victim: I agree [09:51] There's not a lot of people follwing yet but that should build [09:52] Trying not to upset everyone with random crap :) [09:52] evening everyone [09:53] jellyware, Evening [09:54] How is everyone tonight? [09:55] Pretty cold up here in Brisbane, it's only 14 degrees :/ [09:55] Fine, thanks. Just watching the netball grand final - a very intense game [09:56] jaddi27: Was watching that and Everybody Loves Rymond [09:56] Resting after being in Melbourne for the week. :) [09:56] somethinginteres: Where do you live? [09:57] benonsoftware: SA [09:57] somethinginteres: Ok [09:57] somethinginteres: Do you mind if I do this months reports and you do next? [09:58] benonsoftware: no worries at all. [09:58] somethinginteres: Thanks. It is just I can't come to the next meeting [09:59] benonsoftware: Ah, I see. No problem. If I was a better student I would be working on my research now but I'm not and I want to contribute like a boss. [10:00] Can i delay my item til later in the meeting [10:00] somethinginteres: The reason I can't come to the next few meetings is because of school [10:00] on a dodgy connection atm [10:00] sagaci: Yes, that is fine. Just reorder the agenda on l.u.c so I know [10:00] can't do on this symbian browser :3 [10:01] sagaci: Isn't it a sub of my item [10:01] yes [10:01] The browser was the real downside of symbian [10:01] Ok. I will just delay that until later [10:01] sagaci: Will that mean my item will get pushed too? [10:02] Nevermind, i'm here, just gotta login again [10:02] brb [10:03] Anyone feel it's later than what it is here? [10:03] 2003 is what my clock says [10:03] head_victim: Is there a special way to do the item for mootbot for sub-items? [10:03] head_victim: Same here [10:03] head_victim: same here also. [10:03] yeah, scrub mine for later [10:03] jaddi27: not really, I think you ahve to do a separate item or include it in one [10:04] head_victim: Ok [10:04] Is everyone ready to start? [10:04] Sure thing [10:04] yes [10:04] yep [10:04] #startmeeting [10:04] Meeting started at 05:04. The chair is jaddi27. [10:04] Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] [10:05] [LINK] http://loco.ubuntu.com/meetings/ubuntu-au/111/detail/ [10:05] LINK received: http://loco.ubuntu.com/meetings/ubuntu-au/111/detail/ [10:05] Agenda is at the above link [10:05] Got it [10:05] [TOPIC] Roll Call - Jared Norris [10:05] New Topic: Roll Call - Jared Norris [10:06] Gday all, wave your hands if you're here :) [10:06] * benonsoftware waves [10:06] * mrshr3d waves [10:06] waves [10:06] hi [10:06] here [10:06] While we're waving I would just like to say that I'm still following up about the website renewal. I don't have any further details on a timeline though. [10:07] * gorilla waves [10:07] and well done head_victim for submiting the bug report for approval [10:07] And, the team reapproval was put in really early Saturday morning AEST time. [10:07] I'm not sure on a timeline for hearing back about that other than it's been acknowledged as being received by the council at this stage. [10:07] Sorry, I'm late... [10:07] what do you mean by website renewal? I'm lost already jared [10:07] As always, I will definitely keep everyone up to date the second I hear anything [10:08] head_victim: Thanks a lot for submitting that. Hopefully we will get good feedback (and hopefully will be resume official status) [10:08] and also too point out about 25 other times are applying for approval too [10:08] jellyware: the last couple of meetings I've been keeping people up to date, I've submitted a request to Canonical to update the Drupal install for the website so we can install the newer looking Ubuntu themes to make it line up with the current branding. [10:08] The themes aren't available for the current version installed. [10:08] oh. cool. thanks head_victim [10:09] Hey everyone soz I'm late [10:09] Octatron: That is alright. just doing roll call [10:09] Cool, well that's all I had to update the team on and I think most people have indicated attendance. Over to you jaddi27 [10:10] [TOPIC] Ubuntu Global Jam - Benny [10:10] New Topic: Ubuntu Global Jam - Benny [10:10] Ready? [10:11] yes [10:11] [LINK] http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/global/1011/detail/ Ubuntu Global Jam [10:11] LINK received: http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/global/1011/detail/ Ubuntu Global Jam [10:11] I was just wondering what we are doing to do for the Jam? [10:11] hi [10:12] Are we going to have it on IRC or any other ideas? [10:12] I think sagaci will be organising a translation jam for the oneiric cycle [10:12] Yeah, I'd be happy to send out an email [10:13] jaddi27: So that's one thing down in NSW [10:13] benonsoftware: I think it would actually be done online [10:13] translation jam will be aus wide [10:13] Well that would be a great thig. [10:13] Anyone here good at bugs. I want one of them. :) [10:14] If someone teaches me how to do one online I would be happy to do a docs one. [10:14] an intro email and short description of progress and common strings to watch for, etc [10:15] Well I'm happy to do a Jam on Documentation [10:15] An online jam would be conducted here on IRC, where one person leads and everyone else can join in [10:15] the problem with doing a face-to-face meeting is finding a venue which is affordable and has internet connection of some sort. [10:15] gorilla: I know about venues [10:15] So anyone want a Documentation Jam? [10:16] writing and/or fixing documentation [10:16] sagaci: Yeah [10:16] [IDEA] benonsoftware to investigate holding a documentation jam and email the list with suggestions [10:16] IDEA received: benonsoftware to investigate holding a documentation jam and email the list with suggestions [10:17] gorilla: coffee shops? Zaraaffa's they have wifi [10:17] Same with Maccas [10:17] jaddi27: Sure [10:17] mrshr3d: Maccas no power points [10:17] ah....good point [10:17] jaddi27: Should someone register our team for it? [10:17] Octatron: you really need a separate corner or room. [10:18] the other problem is the distance that some would have to travel, because a lot of things that can be done as a jam can involve the entire team [10:18] [ACTION] sagaci to email list in re: translation jam for 11.10 [10:18] or is that a chair only thing... i guess so [10:18] action is chair only, idea is everyone. [10:19] [ACTION] sagaci to email list in re: translation jam for 11.10 [10:19] ACTION received: sagaci to email list in re: translation jam for 11.10 [10:19] So any over ideas for Jams? [10:19] benonsoftware: I think we will register for the jam a bit later, after we have finalised more of the events we are going to hold [10:19] jaddi27: Sure thing [10:19] leads onto my point about an install jam [10:20] sagaci: Sounds fun [10:20] sagaci: I like the idea of an install jam and would LOVE to combine it with SFD events around the country. [10:20] [TOPIC] Remote Installation Jam for Beta 1 - Joel Pickett [10:20] New Topic: Remote Installation Jam for Beta 1 - Joel Pickett [10:21] head_victim, are you referring to installfests or ubuntu-install looking-for-bugs jam [10:21] * benonsoftware Will be a minute [10:21] just logging it to make it easier to find in the minutes [10:21] sagaci: oh so you mean a testing install jam? [10:21] head_victim: regarding SFD, LUV (Linux Users of Victoria) have a comittee meeting tomorrow to decide that Melbourne is doing for SFD. [10:21] s/that/what/ [10:22] perhaps we need to take a different tack with this and all buy prepaid internet sticks for the location? [10:22] head_victim, yep [10:22] only need a couple to make it worthwhile [10:22] * benonsoftware is back sorry [10:23] gorilla: let me know if they want me to try for some CDs [10:23] head_victim: will do. [10:23] (or if you have spares from 10.10 still feel free to use them) [10:24] it's probably something that need to go to the mailing list, since I'll be able to consult about availability and security for my machine :3 [10:24] Octatron: For Brisbane I could probably organise to use a conference room with wi-fi access (would have to run it by Office Manager first), I work in the CBD. [10:25] Question: Should we choose a overall theme for the Jam? [10:25] benonsoftware: the overall theme is Ubuntu. [10:25] mrshr3d: sounds good, it's be good if somewhere could cater to us in return for advertising or the consistent purchase of food and drink [10:26] My suggestion is if people are volunteering to run jams to edit wiki pages in the /Projects section (reuse old ones if possible) and then mail the list. [10:26] head_victim: I mean say a installation type theme so I could do a docs one with installing [10:26] head_victim: Ok. (About /Projects) [10:26] benonsoftware: each jam is different, the translation jam is about translations, installation jams are about installations, bug jams are about bugs, etc. [10:26] head_victim: Got it [10:26] seeing as we are getting into the meeting, is there anything else before I move to the next topic? [10:27] Yeah [10:27] Octatron: didn't think that thru.... weekends are access card entry only anyway [10:27] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGlobalJam/LucidTrainingLogs/HowToRunAJam-2010-03-10 [10:27] That would be a good guide on how to run a Jam [10:27] Tis ok, I think public venues are better so that we can try and garner public interaction. [10:27] * gorilla muses and propping open doors is a pain.. bad idea also. [10:27] head_victim, install jams would be good too but I'd have to hold an ubuntu hour before that kind of commitment [10:28] sagaci: yep, hence why I think trying to tie into SFD is a good way of cross promotion [10:28] If my internet cuts out sorry. [10:28] sorry to sound ignorant, what is SFD? [10:29] Surely there are businesses that would find in their best interests to host us as a group every once in a while [10:29] Software Freedom Day, sorry, I should have said that to start with. [10:29] mrshr3d: software freedome day. [10:29] thx [10:29] Other than that prepaid internet would at least mean we need a venue [10:30] Octatron: Local community centre's are a good place [10:30] * sagaci is brb in 5 [10:30] Power points etc. [10:30] [IDEA] Create a thread for each jam on the mailing list and organise them on the wiki [10:30] IDEA received: Create a thread for each jam on the mailing list and organise them on the wiki [10:30] benonsoftware: they can be booked out by regaulr groups.. and may cost. [10:30] Next up? [10:30] I think we should aim to move on to the next topic now [10:31] New users I think [10:31] [TOPIC] Induction for new members - Clinton Hunter [10:31] New Topic: Induction for new members - Clinton Hunter [10:31] jaddi27: good idea, further conversation should go to the ML, there's a full roster of topics tonight. [10:31] hang on. what happened to Update of Local CD Mailout Service [10:31] Is mrshr3d here? [10:31] point 3 [10:31] Yeah thought it would be good to have something formal around that, or is ad-hoc preferred? [10:32] jellyware: that is point 4 [10:32] ie have a session on translating...I certainly have no idea how that works at present [10:32] cool. thanks [10:33] mrshr3d: I think it's a good idea, but we're already halfway through the hour and no where near half way on the topic list, would new users be comfortable posting to the mailin glist? [10:33] mrshr3d: I guess we could formalise the structure a bit more [10:33] Or do you mean in general? [10:33] Well I'm a 2 month old member.For me the list is easy [10:34] Because if you just want to formalise the process a bit more I'd suggest having a play with https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AustralianTeam/Members/NewMembers and see what you come up with [10:34] I've signed up for the mailing list but haven't posted on it. [10:35] * blahdeblah waves hi - sorry i'm late [10:35] We might be able to improve the website to detail what is available to new members [10:35] Even if it is just a mimic of the wiki page [10:35] jaddi27: Good idea [10:36] I'm wondering if there's a specific need for the site to be in its current form rather than just directing to the wiki? [10:36] jaddi27: we could add it to the contact us link or create a different join us link that just points to it. [10:37] somethinginteres: One word. Planet :) [10:37] maybe listing activities members can help out with and if they need to know how, ask in the mailing list or on IRC? [10:37] somethinginteres: the idea of the site is to post news and events. The idea of the wiki is to collaborate and organise. [10:37] The current issue with the website is the lack of contributed content (which btw, anyone can add to, just need to ping an admin to spellcheck and approve) [10:37] head_victim: I think we could make a new Join Us link on the header - nice and prominent [10:38] head_victim: Don't forget its other purposes: showing off our great web design skills and Canonical's speedy Drupal upgrade policy ;-) [10:38] blahdeblah: yeah :/ It's being worked on still with no estimated time of completion yet. [10:39] speaking from just my personal experience it actually took me a long time to find the wiki. I think given the usefulness of the info it contains it could be more visable somehow.. just thinking aloud here. [10:39] Ok mrshr3d so if we completed the detail on the wiki and made it more prominent that would suit? [10:39] head_victim: To be honest I got lost when I wanted to join [10:39] sounds good, the simpler the better I think :-) [10:39] somethinginteres: So at least two links in the header of the web site isn't enough? [10:39] the other thing is some people may not even understand what a wiki is [10:40] blahdeblah: evidently not. When I first discovered the site I "got lost" as it were. I wasn't aware of what the wiki contained, wasn't aware that it was the meat of content for e.g. [10:40] Anything else? [10:41] blahdeblah: I might rejig the description a tiny bit on the welcome bar of the website. [10:41] [ACTION] Website to be updated to have a link for new members [10:41] ACTION received: Website to be updated to have a link for new members [10:41] [TOPIC] Update of Local CD Mailout Service - jellyware [10:41] New Topic: Update of Local CD Mailout Service - jellyware [10:42] the aussie cd mailout is still ticking along. $3/disc, posted anywhere in australia. I have just updated ubuntu.net.au to wordpress [10:42] Has anyone ordered from this yet? [10:42] somethinginteres: Was http://www.ubuntu.org.au/node/11 there when you started looking? head_victim and i updated it a few months back to make it clearer [10:42] jellyware: Do you run it? [10:42] I get an order every day or two... [10:42] benonsoftware, yes, I run this [10:42] jellyware: Well done! [10:42] thanks [10:43] Benonsoftware: I got Natty through the mailout [10:43] jellyware: Love that it is using WordPress [10:43] Great service [10:43] its my contribution since I'm no good with the tech stuff [10:43] blahdeblah: no I don't believe it was. [10:43] jellyware: looks nice [10:43] blahdeblah: it's there for me [10:43] I need to clean up the working I know... [10:44] thats all I wanted to say [10:44] Cool, keep up the great work [10:44] jellyware, need any help? [10:45] jellyware: what's the "open disc dvd"? [10:45] somethinginteres: I think it has free open source Windows software if I'm not mistaken [10:45] somethinginteres, you can google it. its basically edubuntu with a bunch of open source apps for windows users so they can dip their toes [10:46] somethinginteres: good point though, maybe include a link to the homepage for the project as well? [10:46] jellyware: Weill that's great [10:46] jellyware: ah, cool! [10:46] sagaci, send me an email. I think I'm ok at the moment but I can keep you in mind. thanks [10:46] sorry that was for jellyware [10:46] head_victim: yeah. I think that'd be a good idea [10:46] head_victim: woops :) [10:46] will do head_victim [10:47] Sweet, half way through the list :) [10:47] * gorilla looks at clock and realise eek! [10:47] jellyware, i'd be more inclined to help for the 12.04 LTS cycle, due to demand, etc [10:47] maybe a link to the AU loco on there too? [10:47] head_victim: Knw the hard half [10:47] Ok. any further points relating to the CD mailout service? [10:47] sure somethinginteres [10:47] I have to do some cleaning up [10:48] [TOPIC] Find more events to go to - Clinton Hunter [10:48] New Topic: Find more events to go to - Clinton Hunter [10:48] Being aware of the time happy to skip this until next month. [10:48] plus I have already had one topic of mine discussed tonight don't want to be greedy. [10:48] Yes, that is a good idea. [10:48] [ACTION] Move these topics to the next meeting [10:48] I can skip mine [10:48] ACTION received: Move these topics to the next meeting [10:49] mrshr3d: cool, also, feel free to ask on the mailing list [10:49] [TOPIC] Mission Statement - Chris [10:49] New Topic: Mission Statement - Chris [10:49] apologies for not using IRC nicks in topics - I am just copying them from l.u.c [10:49] [LINK]https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AustralianTeam/MissionStatement [10:49] LINK received: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AustralianTeam/MissionStatement [10:49] Is there a point of having one? /devil advocat. [10:49] jaddi27: That's fine [10:49] I like the idea of updating the mission statement. [10:50] I think it would be a good idea to update the mission statement [10:50] gorilla++ [10:50] I think we could probably include the next topic in the same discussion as I don't see formal goals working well but if we put general goals into the mission statement it would cover both bases. [10:50] Keep up the good work, gorilla :-P [10:50] When I was looking at the loco originally it wasn't clear what the loco did or how it worked [10:50] head_victim: I agree with that [10:50] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AustralianTeam [10:50] Hold on while I find the UF link [10:51] THe first paragraph of that page is what I call "the mission statement" now [10:51] blahdeblah: you can stop now. :-) [10:51] I'm all for tweaking that to suit our needs better and including it on the website if that helps? [10:51] http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1787200 Ubuntu Forms Post [10:51] LINK received: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1787200 Ubuntu Forms Post [10:52] headvictim: I deliberately made them separate topics so as not to confuse the issue. I didn't think the mission statement should get buried under discussions about team goals etc. [10:52] fabricator4: ah ok, I just don't see how we can be accountable for goals and if we're not accountable how can we set them. [10:52] head_victim: Remove the first sentence as it doesn't really adding anything. we know is a home page [10:53] gorilla: I think it's a copy/paste of the website heading as well [10:53] head_victim: oh :-/ [10:53] Maybe by changing them to suit the medium they're on we can reduce confusion of what the wiki and website are for. [10:53] [IDEA] Make the wiki welcome more wiki specific [10:53] IDEA received: Make the wiki welcome more wiki specific [10:54] I second that idea. I think that will remove a lot of confusion that people experience [10:54] Is it possible to make the Mission statment heading part of the website menu. [10:54] fabricator4: I think it is [10:54] fabricator4: our current "mission statement" already is there [10:55] fabricator4: Do you mean add a link to Mission Statement? [10:55] So it's more updating the current one if we feel the need. [10:55] head_victim: it's on the first page, but it's not part of the menu/header. I think it should have it's own page. [10:55] jaddi27: yes I mean a link :-) [10:56] I think that there are a few things that should be made clearer on the website that will happen with the new template [10:56] fabricator4: ah ok, well I think the length of it will determine that. If it's only a sentence or so it would seem odd on it's own page, but if it becomes a 2 paragraph affair I see your point [10:57] Can we work out what we would like to do with the mission statement? [10:57] I don't recall, has it made the mailing list yet? [10:58] head_victim: Yeah. Well I'm sure it has [10:58] I think kyphi had some good ideas which were posted to the discussion page. [10:59] Cool, well I personally prefer to keep it short enough to be a sentence or two so if I go through the wiki page, pull out the feedback from people and post to the list for objections would that be a good way to decide on it? [10:59] yes, I think that would be a good way to go [10:59] sure, if that's the way to do. Do we have to decide tonight after all? [10:59] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-au/2011-June/007263.html Here is the mailing list subject [11:00] [LINK] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-au/2011-June/007263.html [11:00] LINK received: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-au/2011-June/007263.html [11:00] I'm happy to re-open this on the mailing list and pull a few things together... [11:00] [ACTION] head_victim to work out a mission statement based on feedback, and post to the mailing list [11:00] ACTION received: head_victim to work out a mission statement based on feedback, and post to the mailing list [11:00] fabricator4: Sure thing. Sounds good [11:01] Thanks :-) [11:01] Take that action to mean head_victim and fabricator4 as the people working on it then [11:02] Sure. headvictim? [11:02] I would like to move on to the next topic now, to get finished [11:02] [TOPIC] Declaration of Goals - Chris [11:02] New Topic: Declaration of Goals - Chris [11:02] This one is not so clear to me [11:02] Setting goals it a good thing, and the idea came of the previous discussion [11:02] I think we should have say a 12 month goal. [11:02] fabricator4: I'll collate the feedback from the wiki and post to the list :) [11:03] If we set goals they have to be achievable, but how at the goals decided on? [11:04] fabricator4: Team? [11:04] To me the issue is if we set easy goals there is no challenge, if we set hard ones and don't reach them what happens then? [11:04] I think that it could be difficult to measure what we have achieved with the goals [11:04] head_victim: Then we should break the goals gone [11:04] I think if we freshen the mission statement and use that as our rolling goal that would work to a similar effect [11:05] If we set easy goals and achieve them, then we can set harder ones next time. [11:05] I think it is hard to set "achievable" goals...in that our goals are ongoing, (e.g. promote Ubuntu and help new users with Ubuntu) [11:05] mrshr3d: shouldn't that be part of the mission statement? [11:05] mrshr3d: I agree [11:05] The main issue we have is the team is voluntary and constantly changing with people's abilities fluctuating with other commitments. [11:06] I can see why you would want a list of goals, but after reading some of the mission statements, they sort of include the goals [11:06] Setting goals could make it difficult to achive someting that is not aligned with the agreed goals. [11:06] Just to let you know I have to go soon [11:06] in that they can be used to reject an otherwise idea becuae it's not a goal for the next 12 months or whatever the period is. [11:07] it kind of blurs the distinction for sure. I guess it could be measured in some way - how many users have quit Windows and are Ubuntu through our efforts this year. [11:07] I see our current goal as becoming reapproved, not for the sake of just being "official" again but reapproval in itself shows an improvement in team performance. [11:07] mrshr3d: how do you measure that goal? [11:07] gorilla: I agree... kind of. [11:08] h_v: if you get approval , then you achieved the goal? [11:09] I think that it would partially achieve the goal, because we have to continue to keep the status [11:09] head_victim: exactly, I think for a team like it is hard to set goals that are measurable [11:09] mrshr3d: ah ok, sorry I thought you were suggesting an example goal. [11:09] Benonsoftware's idea of a yearly goal isn't so bad, lookinglike this... [11:10] fabricator4: well that's what we do in school :) [11:10] :-) [11:10] I think there are always mini-goals along the way [11:10] The problem is finding something measurable that is relevant. [11:10] I have to go in 5 minutes [11:10] If people can come up with something relevant and measurable I'm all ears. [11:10] eg. Translations should be completed by the end of the year, hopefully by oneiric release [11:10] head_victim: I agree, and it's the reason I had some misgivings about proposing it. [11:11] head_victim: I just finished completing one templatie for translations. Maybe all of them by 12.04 [11:11] my idea would be to fix up the mission statement to make it clearer what we are trying to achieve as a team, and then assess whether or not we will need further goals to keep us on track [11:12] jaddi27: agreed [11:12] jaddi27: That's a good way to go I think. I'll collate the mission statement ideas, email the team and open it for discussion. [11:12] jaddi27: good idea. [11:12] jaddi27: I have to go now. Any other things I must be here for? [11:12] benonsoftware: you had the last topic [11:12] oop [11:12] s [11:12] [TOPIC] Kubuntu - Benny [11:12] New Topic: Kubuntu - Benny [11:13] just quickly for benonsoftware [11:13] Basicly I was wondering what is the support for Kubuntu in AU? [11:13] Just quickly, I don't see this as a separate thing, we displayed Kubuntu, Lubuntu and Ubuntu all together at LCA [11:13] * gorilla confirms that one. [11:13] Is the main difference just KDE rather than Gnome/Unity? [11:13] Sorry have to go [11:13] yes [11:13] Just because we're "UbuntuAU" doesn't mean lots of people don't use Kubuntu [11:14] benonsoftware: you can grab the transscipt later one. [11:14] maybe we can make that clearer on the wiki and website [11:14] well I think that will be all for the meeting [11:14] perhaps a straw poll could be a good idea also. [11:14] gorilla: feel free to start one on the ML :) [11:14] anything else that should be discussed now? [11:15] gorilla: or forum [11:15] seems to be nothing else [11:15] jaddi27: I'm out of ideas :) I think you've done a good job with the long list of topics we had to cover. [11:15] head_victim: forum then :-) [11:15] Thanks everyone for attending the meeting. We have got a lot discussed in the time we had [11:16] #endmeeting [11:16] Meeting finished at 06:16. [11:16] jaddi27: well done on keeping the meeting moving :-) [11:16] Thanks all. [11:16] Next one is 14/08, same time :) [11:16]