[06:34] <ikt> anyone happen to have a google plus invite?
[07:19] <ikt> heya sagaci
[07:30] <sagaci> hey
[07:32] <ikt> got a google plus invite :D
[07:34] <sagaci> nice
[09:36] <benonsoftware> head_victim: Hay
[09:39] <head_victim> Evening
[09:40] <benonsoftware> head_victim: Evening too you
[09:46] <head_victim> Good to see some people filing in :)
[09:46] <somethinginteres> head_victim: thought I might've been late :)
[09:46] <head_victim> Nope, 15 mins still by my count
[09:48] <somethinginteres> head_victim: awsome. Did a reminder make it out to twitter/facebook/identica? 
[09:48] <jaddi27> first meeting as chair for me
[09:48] <head_victim> I posted one during the week
[09:48] <jaddi27> somethinginteres: Yes, a message went to all of them
[09:48] <somethinginteres> jaddi27: cool, cool. 
[09:48] <head_victim> Is it the sort of thing that's monitored immediately? Should I send another out?
[09:49] <jaddi27> I put one of Facebook, and the event showed up on Facebook again
[09:49] <somethinginteres> head_victim: I don't think it would hurt to do another. A lot of people using twitter get instant updates.
[09:49] <jaddi27> head_victim: You could do one saying that the meeting is starting in a few minutes - It might get a few more people to remember it is on
[09:50] <head_victim> Ok, I'm quite open to suggestions for tweets/dents to btw, I don't really know what I'm doing here but want to get on top of it all
[09:50] <benonsoftware> Hi all
[09:51] <jaddi27> head_victim: I think you are doing fine at the moment. Not much else that needs to have been said, I think
[09:51] <somethinginteres> jaddi27, head_victim: I agree
[09:51] <head_victim> There's not a lot of people follwing yet but that should build
[09:52] <head_victim> Trying not to upset everyone with random crap :)
[09:52] <jellyware> evening everyone
[09:53] <benonsoftware> jellyware, Evening
[09:54] <benonsoftware> How is everyone tonight?
[09:55] <head_victim> Pretty cold up here in Brisbane, it's only 14 degrees :/
[09:55] <jaddi27> Fine, thanks. Just watching the netball grand final - a very intense game
[09:56] <benonsoftware> jaddi27: Was watching that and Everybody Loves Rymond
[09:56] <somethinginteres> Resting after being in Melbourne for the week. :)
[09:56] <benonsoftware> somethinginteres: Where do you live?
[09:57] <somethinginteres> benonsoftware: SA
[09:57] <benonsoftware> somethinginteres: Ok
[09:57] <benonsoftware> somethinginteres: Do you mind if I do this months reports and you do next?
[09:58] <somethinginteres> benonsoftware: no worries at all.
[09:58] <benonsoftware> somethinginteres: Thanks. It is just I can't come to the next meeting
[09:59] <somethinginteres> benonsoftware: Ah, I see. No problem. If I was a better student I would be working on my research now but I'm not and I want to contribute like a boss.
[10:00] <sagaci> Can i delay my item til later in the meeting
[10:00] <benonsoftware> somethinginteres: The reason I can't come to the next few meetings is because of school
[10:00] <sagaci> on a dodgy connection atm
[10:00] <jaddi27> sagaci: Yes, that is fine. Just reorder the agenda on l.u.c so I know
[10:00] <sagaci> can't do on this symbian browser :3
[10:01] <benonsoftware> sagaci: Isn't it a sub of my item
[10:01] <sagaci> yes
[10:01] <head_victim> The browser was the real downside of symbian
[10:01] <jaddi27> Ok. I will just delay that until later
[10:01] <benonsoftware> sagaci: Will that mean my item will get pushed too?
[10:02] <sagaci> Nevermind, i'm here, just gotta login again
[10:02] <sagaci> brb
[10:03] <benonsoftware> Anyone feel it's later than what it is here?
[10:03] <head_victim> 2003 is what my clock says
[10:03] <jaddi27> head_victim: Is there a special way to do the item for mootbot for sub-items?
[10:03] <benonsoftware> head_victim: Same here
[10:03] <gorilla> head_victim: same here also.
[10:03] <sagaci> yeah, scrub mine for later
[10:03] <head_victim> jaddi27: not really, I think you ahve to do a separate item or include it in one
[10:04] <jaddi27> head_victim: Ok
[10:04] <jaddi27> Is everyone ready to start?
[10:04] <benonsoftware> Sure thing
[10:04] <jellyware> yes
[10:04] <mrshr3d> yep
[10:04] <jaddi27> #startmeeting
[10:04] <MootBot> Meeting started at 05:04. The chair is jaddi27.
[10:04] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[10:05] <jaddi27> [LINK] http://loco.ubuntu.com/meetings/ubuntu-au/111/detail/
[10:05] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://loco.ubuntu.com/meetings/ubuntu-au/111/detail/ 
[10:05] <jaddi27> Agenda is at the above link
[10:05] <benonsoftware> Got it
[10:05] <jaddi27> [TOPIC] Roll Call - Jared Norris
[10:05] <MootBot> New Topic:  Roll Call - Jared Norris 
[10:06] <head_victim> Gday all, wave your hands if you're here :)
[10:06]  * benonsoftware waves
[10:06]  * mrshr3d waves
[10:06] <jellyware> waves
[10:06] <jaddi27> hi
[10:06] <somethinginteres> here
[10:06] <head_victim> While we're waving I would just like to say that I'm still following up about the website renewal. I don't have any further details on a timeline though.
[10:07]  * gorilla waves
[10:07] <benonsoftware> and well done head_victim for submiting the bug report for approval
[10:07] <head_victim> And, the team reapproval was put in really early Saturday morning AEST time.
[10:07] <head_victim> I'm not sure on a timeline for hearing back about that other than it's been acknowledged as being received by the council at this stage. 
[10:07] <fabricator4> Sorry, I'm late...
[10:07] <jellyware> what do you mean by website renewal?  I'm lost already jared
[10:07] <head_victim> As always, I will definitely keep everyone up to date the second I hear anything
[10:08] <jaddi27> head_victim: Thanks a lot for submitting that. Hopefully we will get good feedback (and hopefully will be resume official status)
[10:08] <benonsoftware> and also too point out about 25 other times are applying for approval too
[10:08] <head_victim> jellyware: the last couple of meetings I've been keeping people up to date, I've submitted a request to Canonical to update the Drupal install for the website so we can install the newer looking Ubuntu themes to make it line up with the current branding.
[10:08] <head_victim> The themes aren't available for the current version installed.
[10:08] <jellyware> oh.  cool.  thanks head_victim 
[10:09] <Octatron> Hey everyone soz I'm late
[10:09] <jaddi27> Octatron: That is alright. just doing roll call
[10:09] <head_victim> Cool, well that's all I had to update the team on and I think most people have indicated attendance. Over to you jaddi27 
[10:10] <jaddi27> [TOPIC] Ubuntu Global Jam - Benny
[10:10] <MootBot> New Topic:  Ubuntu Global Jam - Benny 
[10:10] <benonsoftware> Ready?
[10:11] <jaddi27> yes
[10:11] <benonsoftware> [LINK] http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/global/1011/detail/ Ubuntu Global Jam
[10:11] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/global/1011/detail/ Ubuntu Global Jam 
[10:11] <benonsoftware> I was just wondering what we are doing to do for the Jam?
[10:11] <sagaci> hi
[10:12] <benonsoftware> Are we going to have it on IRC or any other ideas?
[10:12] <jaddi27> I think sagaci will be organising a translation jam for the oneiric cycle
[10:12] <sagaci> Yeah, I'd be happy to send out an email
[10:13] <benonsoftware> jaddi27: So that's one thing down in NSW
[10:13] <jaddi27> benonsoftware: I think it would actually be done online
[10:13] <sagaci> translation jam will be aus wide
[10:13] <benonsoftware> Well that would be a great thig.
[10:13] <benonsoftware> Anyone here good at bugs. I want one of them. :)
[10:14] <benonsoftware> If someone teaches me how to do one online I would be happy to do a docs one.
[10:14] <sagaci> an intro email and short description of progress and common strings to watch for, etc
[10:15] <benonsoftware> Well I'm happy to do a Jam on Documentation
[10:15] <jaddi27> An online jam would be conducted here on IRC, where one person leads and everyone else can join in
[10:15] <gorilla> the problem with doing a face-to-face meeting is finding a venue which is affordable and has internet connection of some sort.
[10:15] <benonsoftware> gorilla: I know about venues
[10:15] <benonsoftware> So anyone want a Documentation Jam?
[10:16] <sagaci> writing and/or fixing documentation
[10:16] <benonsoftware> sagaci: Yeah
[10:16] <jaddi27> [IDEA] benonsoftware to investigate holding a documentation jam and email the list with suggestions
[10:16] <MootBot> IDEA received:  benonsoftware to investigate holding a documentation jam and email the list with suggestions 
[10:17] <Octatron> gorilla: coffee shops? Zaraaffa's they have wifi
[10:17] <mrshr3d> Same with Maccas
[10:17] <benonsoftware> jaddi27: Sure
[10:17] <benonsoftware> mrshr3d: Maccas no power points
[10:17] <mrshr3d> ah....good point
[10:17] <benonsoftware> jaddi27: Should someone register our team for it?
[10:17] <gorilla> Octatron: you really need a separate corner or room.
[10:18] <jaddi27> the other problem is the distance that some would have to travel, because a lot of things that can be done as a jam can involve the entire team
[10:18] <sagaci> [ACTION] sagaci to email list in re: translation jam for 11.10
[10:18] <sagaci> or is that a chair only thing... i guess so
[10:18] <head_victim> action is chair only, idea is everyone.
[10:19] <jaddi27> [ACTION] sagaci to email list in re: translation jam for 11.10
[10:19] <MootBot> ACTION received:  sagaci to email list in re: translation jam for 11.10 
[10:19] <benonsoftware> So any over ideas for Jams?
[10:19] <jaddi27> benonsoftware: I think we will register for the jam a bit later, after we have finalised more of the events we are going to hold
[10:19] <benonsoftware> jaddi27: Sure thing
[10:19] <sagaci> leads onto my point about an install jam
[10:20] <benonsoftware> sagaci: Sounds fun
[10:20] <head_victim> sagaci: I like the idea of an install jam and would LOVE to combine it with SFD events around the country.
[10:20] <jaddi27> [TOPIC] Remote Installation Jam for Beta 1 - Joel Pickett 
[10:20] <MootBot> New Topic:  Remote Installation Jam for Beta 1 - Joel Pickett  
[10:21] <sagaci> head_victim, are you referring to installfests or ubuntu-install looking-for-bugs jam
[10:21]  * benonsoftware Will be a minute
[10:21] <jaddi27> just logging it to make it easier to find in the minutes
[10:21] <head_victim> sagaci: oh so you mean a testing install jam?
[10:21] <gorilla> head_victim: regarding SFD, LUV (Linux Users of Victoria) have a comittee meeting tomorrow to decide that Melbourne is doing for SFD.
[10:21] <gorilla> s/that/what/
[10:22] <Octatron> perhaps we need to take a different tack with this and all buy prepaid internet sticks for the location?
[10:22] <sagaci> head_victim, yep
[10:22] <sagaci> only need a couple to make it worthwhile
[10:22]  * benonsoftware is back sorry
[10:23] <head_victim> gorilla: let me know if they want me to try for some CDs
[10:23] <gorilla> head_victim: will do.
[10:23] <head_victim> (or if you have spares from 10.10 still feel free to use them)
[10:24] <sagaci> it's probably something that need to go to the mailing list, since I'll be able to consult about availability and security for my machine :3
[10:24] <mrshr3d> Octatron: For Brisbane I could probably organise to use a conference room with wi-fi access (would have to run it by Office Manager first), I work in the CBD.
[10:25] <benonsoftware> Question: Should we choose a overall theme for the Jam?
[10:25] <head_victim> benonsoftware: the overall theme is Ubuntu.
[10:25] <Octatron> mrshr3d: sounds good, it's be good if somewhere could cater to us in return for advertising or the consistent purchase of food and drink
[10:26] <head_victim> My suggestion is if people are volunteering to run jams to edit wiki pages in the /Projects section (reuse old ones if possible) and then mail the list.
[10:26] <benonsoftware> head_victim: I mean say a installation type theme so I could do a docs one with installing
[10:26] <benonsoftware> head_victim: Ok. (About /Projects)
[10:26] <head_victim> benonsoftware: each jam is different, the translation jam is about translations, installation jams are about installations, bug jams are about bugs, etc.
[10:26] <benonsoftware> head_victim: Got it
[10:26] <jaddi27> seeing as we are getting into the meeting, is there anything else before I move to the next topic?
[10:27] <benonsoftware> Yeah
[10:27] <mrshr3d> Octatron: didn't think that thru.... weekends are access card entry only anyway
[10:27] <benonsoftware> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGlobalJam/LucidTrainingLogs/HowToRunAJam-2010-03-10
[10:27] <benonsoftware> That would be a good guide on how to run a Jam
[10:27] <head_victim> Tis ok, I think public venues are better so that we can try and garner public interaction.
[10:27]  * gorilla muses and propping open doors is a pain.. bad idea also.
[10:27] <sagaci> head_victim, install jams would be good too but I'd have to hold an ubuntu hour before that kind of commitment
[10:28] <head_victim> sagaci: yep, hence why I think trying to tie into SFD is a good way of cross promotion
[10:28] <benonsoftware> If my internet cuts out sorry.
[10:28] <mrshr3d> sorry to sound ignorant, what is SFD?
[10:29] <Octatron> Surely there are businesses that would find in their best interests to host us as a group every once in a while
[10:29] <head_victim> Software Freedom Day, sorry, I should have said that to start with.
[10:29] <gorilla> mrshr3d: software freedome day.
[10:29] <mrshr3d> thx
[10:29] <Octatron> Other than that prepaid internet would at least mean we need a venue
[10:30] <benonsoftware> Octatron: Local community centre's are a good place
[10:30]  * sagaci is brb in 5
[10:30] <benonsoftware> Power points etc.
[10:30] <head_victim> [IDEA] Create a thread for each jam on the mailing list and organise them on the wiki
[10:30] <MootBot> IDEA received:  Create a thread for each jam on the mailing list and organise them on the wiki 
[10:30] <gorilla> benonsoftware: they can be booked out by regaulr groups.. and may cost.
[10:30] <head_victim> Next up?
[10:30] <jaddi27> I think we should aim to move on to the next topic now
[10:31] <benonsoftware> New users I think
[10:31] <jaddi27> [TOPIC] Induction for new members - Clinton Hunter
[10:31] <MootBot> New Topic:  Induction for new members - Clinton Hunter 
[10:31] <head_victim> jaddi27: good idea, further conversation should go to the ML, there's a full roster of topics tonight.
[10:31] <jellyware> hang on.  what happened to Update of Local CD Mailout Service
[10:31] <benonsoftware> Is mrshr3d here?
[10:31] <jellyware> point 3
[10:31] <mrshr3d> Yeah thought it would be good to have something formal around that, or is ad-hoc preferred?
[10:32] <jaddi27> jellyware: that is point 4
[10:32] <mrshr3d> ie have a session on translating...I certainly have no idea how that works at present
[10:32] <jellyware> cool.  thanks
[10:33] <head_victim> mrshr3d: I think it's a good idea, but we're already halfway through the hour and no where near half way on the topic list, would new users be comfortable posting to the mailin glist?
[10:33] <jaddi27> mrshr3d: I guess we could formalise the structure a bit more
[10:33] <head_victim> Or do you mean in general?
[10:33] <benonsoftware> Well I'm a 2 month old member.For me the list is easy
[10:34] <head_victim> Because if you just want to formalise the process a bit more I'd suggest having a play with https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AustralianTeam/Members/NewMembers and see what you come up with
[10:34] <mrshr3d> I've signed up for the mailing list but haven't posted on it.
[10:35]  * blahdeblah waves hi - sorry i'm late
[10:35] <jaddi27> We might be able to improve the website to detail what is available to new members
[10:35] <jaddi27> Even if it is just a mimic of the wiki page
[10:35] <benonsoftware> jaddi27: Good idea
[10:36] <somethinginteres> I'm wondering if there's a specific need for the site to be in its current form rather than just directing to the wiki? 
[10:36] <head_victim> jaddi27: we could add it to the contact us link or create a different join us link that just points to it.
[10:37] <benonsoftware> somethinginteres: One word. Planet :)
[10:37] <mrshr3d> maybe listing activities members can help out with and if they need to know how, ask in the mailing list or on IRC?
[10:37] <head_victim> somethinginteres: the idea of the site is to post news and events. The idea of the wiki is to collaborate and organise.
[10:37] <head_victim> The current issue with the website is the lack of contributed content (which btw, anyone can add to, just need to ping an admin to spellcheck and approve)
[10:37] <jaddi27> head_victim: I think we could make a new Join Us link on the header - nice and prominent
[10:38] <blahdeblah> head_victim: Don't forget its other purposes: showing off our great web design skills and Canonical's speedy Drupal upgrade policy ;-)
[10:38] <head_victim> blahdeblah: yeah :/ It's being worked on still with no estimated time of completion yet.
[10:39] <somethinginteres> speaking from just my personal experience it actually took me a long time to find the wiki. I think given the usefulness of the info it contains it could be more visable somehow.. just thinking aloud here.
[10:39] <head_victim> Ok mrshr3d so if we completed the detail on the wiki and made it more prominent that would suit?
[10:39] <benonsoftware> head_victim: To be honest I got lost when I wanted to join
[10:39] <mrshr3d> sounds good, the simpler the better I think :-)
[10:39] <blahdeblah> somethinginteres: So at least two links in the header of the web site isn't enough?
[10:39] <somethinginteres> the other thing is some people may not even understand what a wiki is
[10:40] <somethinginteres> blahdeblah: evidently not. When I first discovered the site I "got lost" as it were. I wasn't aware of what the wiki contained, wasn't aware that it was the meat of content for e.g.
[10:40] <benonsoftware> Anything else?
[10:41] <head_victim> blahdeblah: I might rejig the description a tiny bit on the welcome bar of the website.
[10:41] <jaddi27> [ACTION] Website to be updated to have a link for new members
[10:41] <MootBot> ACTION received:  Website to be updated to have a link for new members 
[10:41] <jaddi27> [TOPIC] Update of Local CD Mailout Service - jellyware
[10:41] <MootBot> New Topic:  Update of Local CD Mailout Service - jellyware 
[10:42] <jellyware> the aussie cd mailout is still ticking along.  $3/disc, posted anywhere in australia.  I have just updated ubuntu.net.au to wordpress
[10:42] <benonsoftware> Has anyone ordered from this yet?
[10:42] <blahdeblah> somethinginteres: Was http://www.ubuntu.org.au/node/11 there when you started looking? head_victim and i updated it a few months back to make it clearer
[10:42] <benonsoftware> jellyware: Do you run it?
[10:42] <jellyware> I get an order every day or two...
[10:42] <jellyware> benonsoftware, yes, I run this
[10:42] <benonsoftware> jellyware: Well done!
[10:42] <jellyware> thanks
[10:43] <fabricator4> Benonsoftware: I got Natty through the mailout
[10:43] <benonsoftware> jellyware: Love that it is using WordPress
[10:43] <fabricator4> Great service
[10:43] <jellyware> its my contribution since I'm no good with the tech stuff
[10:43] <somethinginteres> blahdeblah: no I don't believe it was.
[10:43] <head_victim> jellyware: looks nice
[10:43] <head_victim> blahdeblah: it's there for me
[10:43] <jellyware> I need to clean up the working I know...
[10:44] <jellyware> thats all I wanted to say
[10:44] <head_victim> Cool, keep up the great work 
[10:44] <sagaci> jellyware, need any help?
[10:45] <somethinginteres> jellyware: what's the "open disc dvd"? 
[10:45] <benonsoftware> somethinginteres: I think it has free open source Windows software if I'm not mistaken
[10:45] <jellyware> somethinginteres, you can google it.  its basically edubuntu with a bunch of open source apps for windows users so they can dip their toes
[10:46] <head_victim> somethinginteres: good point though, maybe include a link to the homepage for the project as well?
[10:46] <benonsoftware> jellyware: Weill that's great
[10:46] <somethinginteres> jellyware: ah, cool!
[10:46] <jellyware> sagaci, send me an email.  I think I'm ok at the moment but I can keep you in mind.  thanks
[10:46] <head_victim> sorry that was for jellyware 
[10:46] <somethinginteres> head_victim: yeah. I think that'd be a good idea 
[10:46] <somethinginteres> head_victim: woops :) 
[10:46] <jellyware> will do head_victim 
[10:47] <head_victim> Sweet, half way through the list :)
[10:47]  * gorilla looks at clock and realise eek!
[10:47] <sagaci> jellyware, i'd be more inclined to help for the 12.04 LTS cycle, due to demand, etc
[10:47] <somethinginteres> maybe a link to the AU loco on there too? 
[10:47] <benonsoftware> head_victim: Knw the hard half
[10:47] <jaddi27> Ok. any further points relating to the CD mailout service?
[10:47] <jellyware> sure somethinginteres 
[10:47] <jellyware> I have to do some cleaning up
[10:48] <jaddi27> [TOPIC] Find more events to go to - Clinton Hunter
[10:48] <MootBot> New Topic:  Find more events to go to - Clinton Hunter 
[10:48] <mrshr3d> Being aware of the time happy to skip this until next month.
[10:48] <mrshr3d> plus I have already had one topic of mine discussed tonight don't want to be greedy.
[10:48] <jaddi27> Yes, that is a good idea.
[10:48] <jaddi27> [ACTION] Move these topics to the next meeting
[10:48] <benonsoftware> I can skip mine
[10:48] <MootBot> ACTION received:  Move these topics to the next meeting 
[10:49] <head_victim> mrshr3d: cool, also, feel free to ask on the mailing list
[10:49] <jaddi27> [TOPIC] Mission Statement - Chris
[10:49] <MootBot> New Topic:  Mission Statement - Chris 
[10:49] <jaddi27> apologies for not using IRC nicks in topics - I am just copying them from l.u.c
[10:49] <fabricator4> [LINK]https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AustralianTeam/MissionStatement
[10:49] <MootBot> LINK received: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AustralianTeam/MissionStatement 
[10:49] <gorilla> Is there a point of having one? /devil advocat.
[10:49] <benonsoftware> jaddi27: That's fine
[10:49] <head_victim> I like the idea of updating the mission statement.
[10:50] <fabricator4> I think it would be a good idea to update the mission statement
[10:50] <blahdeblah> gorilla++
[10:50] <head_victim> I think we could probably include the next topic in the same discussion as I don't see formal goals working well but if we put general goals into the mission statement it would cover both bases.
[10:50] <blahdeblah> Keep up the good work, gorilla :-P
[10:50] <fabricator4> When I was looking at the loco originally it wasn't clear what the loco did or how it worked
[10:50] <jaddi27> head_victim: I agree with that
[10:50] <head_victim> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AustralianTeam 
[10:50] <benonsoftware> Hold on while I find the UF link
[10:51] <head_victim> THe first paragraph of that page is what I call "the mission statement" now
[10:51] <gorilla> blahdeblah: you can stop now. :-)
[10:51] <head_victim> I'm all for tweaking that to suit our needs better and including it on the website if that helps?
[10:51] <benonsoftware> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1787200 Ubuntu Forms Post
[10:51] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1787200 Ubuntu Forms Post 
[10:52] <fabricator4> headvictim: I deliberately made them separate topics so as not to confuse the issue.  I didn't think the mission statement should get buried under discussions about team goals etc.
[10:52] <head_victim> fabricator4: ah ok, I just don't see how we can be accountable for goals and if we're not accountable how can we set them. 
[10:52] <gorilla> head_victim: Remove the first sentence as it doesn't really adding anything. we know is a home page
[10:53] <head_victim> gorilla: I think it's a copy/paste of the website heading as well
[10:53] <gorilla> head_victim: oh :-/
[10:53] <head_victim> Maybe by changing them to suit the medium they're on we can reduce confusion of what the wiki and website are for.
[10:53] <head_victim> [IDEA] Make the wiki welcome more wiki specific
[10:53] <MootBot> IDEA received:  Make the wiki welcome more wiki specific 
[10:54] <jaddi27> I second that idea. I think that will remove a lot of confusion that people experience
[10:54] <fabricator4> Is it possible to make the Mission statment heading part of the website menu.
[10:54] <benonsoftware> fabricator4: I think it is
[10:54] <head_victim> fabricator4: our current "mission statement" already is there
[10:55] <jaddi27> fabricator4: Do you mean add a link to Mission Statement?
[10:55] <head_victim> So it's more updating the current one if we feel the need.
[10:55] <fabricator4> head_victim: it's on the first page, but it's not part of the menu/header.  I think it should have it's own page.
[10:55] <fabricator4> jaddi27: yes I mean a link :-)
[10:56] <jaddi27> I think that there are a few things that should be made clearer on the website that will happen with the new template
[10:56] <head_victim> fabricator4: ah ok, well I think the length of it will determine that. If it's only a sentence or so it would seem odd on it's own page, but if it becomes a 2 paragraph affair I see your point
[10:57] <jaddi27> Can we work out what we would like to do with the mission statement?
[10:57] <head_victim> I don't recall, has it made the mailing list yet?
[10:58] <benonsoftware> head_victim: Yeah. Well I'm sure it has
[10:58] <fabricator4> I think kyphi had some good ideas which were posted to the discussion page.
[10:59] <head_victim> Cool, well I personally prefer to keep it short enough to be a sentence or two so if I go through the wiki page, pull out the feedback from people and post to the list for objections would that be a good way to decide on it?
[10:59] <jaddi27> yes, I think that would be a good way to go
[10:59] <fabricator4> sure, if that's the way to do.  Do we have to decide tonight after all?
[10:59] <benonsoftware> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-au/2011-June/007263.html Here is the mailing list subject
[11:00] <benonsoftware> [LINK] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-au/2011-June/007263.html
[11:00] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-au/2011-June/007263.html 
[11:00] <fabricator4> I'm happy to re-open this on the mailing list and pull a few things together...
[11:00] <jaddi27> [ACTION] head_victim to work out a mission statement based on feedback, and post to the mailing list
[11:00] <MootBot> ACTION received:  head_victim to work out a mission statement based on feedback, and post to the mailing list 
[11:00] <benonsoftware> fabricator4: Sure thing. Sounds good
[11:01] <fabricator4> Thanks :-)
[11:01] <jaddi27> Take that action to mean head_victim and fabricator4 as the people working on it then
[11:02] <fabricator4> Sure.  headvictim?
[11:02] <jaddi27> I would like to move on to the next topic now, to get finished
[11:02] <jaddi27> [TOPIC] Declaration of Goals - Chris
[11:02] <MootBot> New Topic:  Declaration of Goals - Chris 
[11:02] <fabricator4> This one is not so clear to me
[11:02] <fabricator4> Setting goals it a good thing, and the idea came of the previous discussion
[11:02] <benonsoftware> I think we should have say a 12 month goal.
[11:02] <head_victim> fabricator4: I'll collate the feedback from the wiki and post to the list :)
[11:03] <fabricator4> If we set goals they have to be achievable, but how at the goals decided on?  
[11:04] <benonsoftware> fabricator4: Team?
[11:04] <head_victim> To me the issue is if we set easy goals there is no challenge, if we set hard ones and don't reach them what happens then?
[11:04] <jaddi27> I think that it could be difficult to measure what we have achieved with the goals
[11:04] <benonsoftware> head_victim: Then we should break the goals gone
[11:04] <head_victim> I think if we freshen the mission statement and use that as our rolling goal that would work to a similar effect
[11:05] <fabricator4> If we set easy goals and achieve them, then we can set harder ones next time.
[11:05] <mrshr3d> I think it is hard to set "achievable"  goals...in that our goals are ongoing, (e.g.  promote Ubuntu and help new users with Ubuntu)
[11:05] <fabricator4> mrshr3d: shouldn't that be part of the mission statement?
[11:05] <somethinginteres> mrshr3d: I agree
[11:05] <head_victim> The main issue we have is the team is voluntary and constantly changing with people's abilities fluctuating with other commitments. 
[11:06] <jaddi27> I can see why you would want a list of goals, but after reading some of the mission statements, they sort of include the goals
[11:06] <gorilla> Setting goals could make it difficult to achive someting that is not aligned with the agreed goals.
[11:06] <benonsoftware> Just to let you know I have to go soon
[11:06] <gorilla> in that they can be used to reject an otherwise idea becuae it's not a goal for the next 12 months or whatever the period is.
[11:07] <mrshr3d> it kind of blurs the distinction for sure.  I guess it could be measured in some way - how many users have quit Windows and are Ubuntu through our efforts this year.
[11:07] <head_victim> I see our current goal as becoming reapproved, not for the sake of just being "official" again but reapproval in itself shows an improvement in team performance.
[11:07] <head_victim> mrshr3d: how do you measure that goal?
[11:07] <fabricator4> gorilla: I agree... kind of.  
[11:08] <fabricator4> h_v: if you get approval , then you achieved the goal?
[11:09] <jaddi27> I think that it would partially achieve the goal, because we have to continue to keep the status
[11:09] <mrshr3d> head_victim: exactly, I think for a team like it is hard to set goals that are measurable
[11:09] <head_victim> mrshr3d: ah ok, sorry I thought you were suggesting an example goal.
[11:09] <fabricator4> Benonsoftware's idea of a yearly goal isn't so bad, lookinglike this...
[11:10] <benonsoftware> fabricator4: well that's what we do in school :)
[11:10] <fabricator4> :-)
[11:10] <jaddi27> I think there are always mini-goals along the way
[11:10] <head_victim> The problem is finding something measurable that is relevant.
[11:10] <benonsoftware> I have to go in 5 minutes
[11:10] <head_victim> If people can come up with something relevant and measurable I'm all ears.
[11:10] <jaddi27> eg. Translations should be completed by the end of the year, hopefully by oneiric release
[11:10] <fabricator4> head_victim: I agree, and it's the reason I had some misgivings about proposing it.
[11:11] <benonsoftware> head_victim: I just finished completing one templatie for translations. Maybe all of them by 12.04
[11:11] <jaddi27> my idea would be to fix up the mission statement to make it clearer what we are trying to achieve as a team, and then assess whether or not we will need further goals to keep us on track
[11:12] <fabricator4> jaddi27: agreed
[11:12] <head_victim> jaddi27: That's a good way to go I think. I'll collate the mission statement ideas, email the team and open it for discussion.
[11:12] <gorilla> jaddi27: good idea.
[11:12] <benonsoftware> jaddi27: I have to go now. Any other things I must be here for?
[11:12] <head_victim> benonsoftware: you had the last topic
[11:12] <gorilla> oop
[11:12] <gorilla> s
[11:12] <jaddi27> [TOPIC] Kubuntu - Benny
[11:12] <MootBot> New Topic:  Kubuntu - Benny 
[11:13] <jaddi27> just quickly for benonsoftware 
[11:13] <benonsoftware> Basicly I was wondering what is the support for Kubuntu in AU?
[11:13] <head_victim> Just quickly, I don't see this as a separate thing, we displayed Kubuntu, Lubuntu and Ubuntu all together at LCA
[11:13]  * gorilla confirms that one.
[11:13] <mrshr3d> Is the main difference just KDE rather than Gnome/Unity?
[11:13] <benonsoftware> Sorry have to go
[11:13] <jaddi27> yes
[11:13] <head_victim> Just because we're "UbuntuAU" doesn't mean lots of people don't use Kubuntu
[11:14] <gorilla> benonsoftware: you can grab the transscipt later one.
[11:14] <jaddi27> maybe we can make that clearer on the wiki and website
[11:14] <jaddi27> well I think that will be all for the meeting
[11:14] <gorilla> perhaps a straw poll could be a good idea also.
[11:14] <head_victim> gorilla: feel free to start one on the ML :)
[11:14] <jaddi27> anything else that should be discussed now?
[11:15] <head_victim> gorilla: or forum
[11:15] <jaddi27> seems to be nothing else
[11:15] <head_victim> jaddi27: I'm out of ideas :) I think you've done a good job with the long list of topics we had to cover.
[11:15] <gorilla> head_victim: forum then :-)
[11:15] <jaddi27> Thanks everyone for attending the meeting. We have got a lot discussed in the time we had
[11:16] <jaddi27> #endmeeting
[11:16] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 06:16.
[11:16] <gorilla> jaddi27: well done on keeping the meeting moving :-)
[11:16] <fabricator4> Thanks all.
[11:16] <head_victim> Next one is 14/08, same time :)
[11:16] <jaddi27> gorilla: Thanks. It was certainly an interesting meeting to do for a first meeting as chair
[11:17] <jaddi27> I will update the wiki to have the next meeting date, and send an email out with the link to the new agenda
[11:18] <head_victim> jaddi27: nice work :)
[11:18] <head_victim> It's been good to get the help from yourself and others with the team basics.
[11:18] <jaddi27> head_victim: I am happy to help out with that
[11:19] <head_victim> When you've emailed the list the meeting details I'll tweet/dent it.
[11:19] <head_victim> You've bookmarked the "todolist" page?
[11:19] <jaddi27> I think I have it somewhere there
[11:20] <head_victim> Cool, makes it easy to figure out what needs doing.  I'll take care of the topic when the next meeting info is posted to loco.u.c as well
[11:20] <jaddi27> head_victim: On the l.u.c page for ubuntu-au, have you had a look at the new timezone options?
[11:20] <head_victim> jaddi27: yeah, I'm not sure what to do with that. 
[11:21] <jaddi27> what options are there for the overall team settings?
[11:21] <head_victim> It's all event/meeting specific I believe
[11:21] <jaddi27> Ok. I was not sure if was per team as well as per event/meeting
[11:22] <head_victim> Just confirming now.
[11:22] <head_victim> Ahh I CAN set a default timezone
[11:22] <head_victim> But I'm not sure I should change it from UTC?
[11:22] <jaddi27> I think it might be better changing it to AEST, seeing as we advertise the time in that timezone
[11:23] <jaddi27> and it does say on the meeting page what timezone the event/meeting is in now, so it is not as confusing
[11:23] <head_victim> Ok, anyone here from the western half of AU to make sure we wont offend you doing that?
[11:24] <head_victim> gorilla: from memory you're in SA?
[11:24] <gorilla> head_victim: nope. Melbourne.
[11:24] <head_victim> Hm, sorry, probably just offended you with that :P
[11:24] <gorilla> I was in SA for a number of years but wasn't from there originally either.
[11:25] <gorilla> you were partly right ;-)
[11:25] <head_victim> Ah, maybe it was somethinginteres 
[11:25] <somethinginteres> head_victim: yep :D
[11:25] <gorilla> go ahead.. see who becomes offended :-D
[11:25] <head_victim> As a SA'er would you be overly offended if we advertised team events in UTC+10 ?
[11:25] <head_victim> Or is it something you're used to?
[11:26] <somethinginteres> head_victim: I am used to converting timezones, so that's no worries, as long as the timezone is indicated it's no problem.
[11:26] <head_victim> somethinginteres: ok, just don't want people feeling left out
[11:27] <head_victim> And always living in Brisbane I'm not sure what the TZ issue is like for others.
[11:27] <jaddi27> somethinginteres: Are you on Facebook, and if yes, are you a member of the Ubuntu Australia group?
[11:27] <head_victim> So, next question, UTC+10 or Sydney/Melbourne time?
[11:27] <somethinginteres> jaddi27: yes and yes
[11:27] <head_victim> As there is a slight difference, in daylight savings.
[11:27] <jaddi27> What time does it list for the meeting tonight on your browser?
[11:27] <fabricator4> UTC+10
[11:27] <jaddi27> on facebook
[11:29] <jaddi27> head_victim: UTC+10
[11:29] <head_victim> jaddi27: done
[11:29] <mrshr3d> If you write it as AEST (UTC+10)   and  AEDST (UTC+11) in summer it would avoid any confusion
[11:30] <head_victim> It's set at UTC+10, it's an issue every year when daylight savings rolls around :/
[11:30] <jaddi27> mrshr3d: from memory, in the past we have used AEST for meeting times during the daylight saving time
[11:30] <gorilla> jaddi27: that's my recollection also.
[11:30] <head_victim> jaddi27: can you double check the August meeting on the loco.u.c now as playing with the settings may have changed it
[11:31]  * gorilla thinks AU has too many timezones!
[11:31] <head_victim> I think we've actually done both.
[11:31] <head_victim> gorilla: I concur. We should all move to BRISBANE time :)
[11:31] <gorilla> head_victim: better idea than everyone moving to Brisbane :-P
[11:31]  * mrshr3d thinks Daylight Savings is a hack for something that isn't broken :-)
[11:31] <fabricator4> h_v: Brisbane time is the only correct time :-)
[11:32] <head_victim> gorilla: yeah, you can stay there, just follow our rules :P
[11:33] <jaddi27> http://loco.ubuntu.com/meetings/ubuntu-au/130/detail/
[11:33] <jaddi27> The new timezone data is set now
[11:33] <gorilla> head_victim: like defending the merits of drinking XXXX?
[11:33] <jaddi27> I think it looks alright
[11:33] <head_victim> jaddi27: yeah no idea what the -1000 on the end is 
[11:34] <gorilla> head_victim: offset without the :
[11:34] <head_victim> But looks ok
[11:34] <jaddi27> the 1000 means 10 hours
[11:34] <fabricator4> Yeah, why does it say : GMT+10 (-1000) 
[11:34] <jaddi27> but I can't remember why the '-' is there
[11:34] <fabricator4> Should be +1000 then
[11:34] <head_victim> No idea, as long as it works.
[11:35] <gorilla> yeah.. I reckon that someone has stuffed up :-)
[11:35] <jaddi27> That would make sense, but I am fairly sure I have seen it like that before. I will look into it
[11:35] <head_victim> Now I just need to assimilate the calendar to my google account and I'm set
[11:35] <fabricator4> gorilla: someone on the other side of the world has stuffed up.
[11:36] <gorilla> fabricator4: usually the case ;-)
[11:36] <fabricator4> :-)
[11:36] <head_victim> Is http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/ubuntu-au/ical the best link to get meetings AND events?
[11:36] <head_victim> (I just right clicked ont he ical feed and selected copy link)
[11:37] <mrshr3d> or is it saying to convert it  back to GMT,  subtract 10 hours?
[11:37] <jaddi27> I think it might be something like that. I will look through the code to find what they are doing
[11:38] <jaddi27> head_victim: Yes, I am fairly sure that is the right one
[11:38] <fabricator4> mrshr3e; seems redudant
[11:38] <gorilla> fabricator4: perhaps it's to cater for the maths challenged :-P
[11:39] <head_victim> jaddi27: when I add it to google it thinks it's UTC time not _10 
[11:39] <jaddi27> That means they have not added in the proper data for ical creation with their timezone update
[11:39] <jaddi27> I will look at it again and try to get them to fix i
[11:40] <head_victim> Google or loco.u?
[11:43] <gorilla> google calendar is showing that the meeting will be at 4PM tomorrow. 
[11:43] <jaddi27> head_victim: loco.u might have to be fixed
[11:44] <jaddi27> still looking at the code
[11:47] <head_victim> jaddi27: cool, they just pushed a new version so I'm sure patches welcome ;)
[11:48] <head_victim> Not that I could ever patch anything 
[11:52] <head_victim> If you're ever looking for them they hang in -community and -website
[11:54] <head_victim> jaddi27: could just take some time to update and refresh since I've only jsut changed it from UTC ?
[11:54] <jaddi27> I guess it could
[11:54] <jaddi27> the main issue could be in their code
[11:55] <jaddi27> if it is setting the ical feed to be UTC, and the event times do not have timezone data with them, then the ical feed will not be correct
[11:55] <head_victim> And I can't adjust the TZ in the google calendar after adding it either.
[11:55] <jaddi27> i am just trying to find out if they are including timezone data in the start and end times for the ical
[11:56] <jaddi27> no, that is one annoying feature of google calendar
[11:56] <jaddi27> however, i can't do that in thunderbird either, so it is not just google
[11:56] <head_victim> Maybe it's more complex then we think
[11:57] <head_victim> What about we do set it to UTC then so that everyone's calendars auto update to reflect whatever their local is set to?
[11:57] <jaddi27> yes and no. i think if the ical feed is fixed up a bit, it should work better, but i just have to work out what they have in their code
[11:57] <head_victim> Ok I'll stop pestering, let me know if I can be useful in the process
[11:57] <jaddi27> maybe at the moment that would be easiest. i just need more time than tonight to work out how to fix it
[11:58] <jaddi27> you are not pestering - those questions are perfectly fine
[11:58] <head_victim> Ok so I'm setting back to UTC for now?
[11:59]  * gorilla goes off to check the calendar on his web site.
[12:00] <sagaci> how'd the end of the meeting go
[12:01] <gorilla> hey, wb sagaci. the meeting went well.
[12:01] <head_victim> sagaci: pretty good
[12:02] <jaddi27> yes, set it back to UTC
[12:02] <head_victim> jaddi27: done :)
[12:03] <head_victim> Hah it's still wrong
[12:03] <head_victim> Maybe it just takes a while to update the settings
[12:04] <jaddi27> it might have to be imported again
[12:04] <head_victim> Nah I removed it and readded it
[12:04] <fabricator4> 06:00 - 07:15 UTC (+0000)  Isn't that 4PM?
[12:05] <head_victim> It was showing up for me as 1600 in both occasions a day late
[12:06] <jaddi27> i just have to change it again
[12:06] <jaddi27> i wonder if it was set to GMT-10?
[12:06] <head_victim> Possible
[12:06] <head_victim> That would be right then and the -1000 would make sense?
[12:06] <gorilla> a lot of systems will cache ical files.
[12:07] <head_victim> But we've never ahd it set to -10 as far as I know
[12:08]  * gorilla goes off to get dinner.
[12:08] <jaddi27> no, i didn't think so
[12:08] <gorilla> Night All
[12:08] <head_victim> Night gorilla 
[12:08] <jaddi27> night gorilla 
[12:08] <fabricator4> Goodnight
[12:08] <head_victim> jaddi27: how about +10 and we leave it a day to settle?
[12:08] <jaddi27> I think leave it on UTC, and I will look through the code to find what is happening
[12:09] <head_victim> No worries
[12:10] <jaddi27> head_victim: when will the meeting log come up on http://www.novarata.net/mootbot/?
[12:10] <jaddi27> I thought it was fairly quick last time
[12:11] <head_victim> I think it's a cron script so could be an hour or two
[12:12] <jaddi27> ok
[12:12] <jaddi27> the translations are going well - we are down to 113781 strings in natty now
[12:12] <head_victim> Yeah you and sagaci  are really leading the charge
[12:13] <sagaci> 69.2%
[12:13] <jaddi27> I didn't know anything about how to do it until a couple of weeks ago
[12:14] <jaddi27> a lot easier than I thought it would be
[12:14] <head_victim> Hah nice, yeah it's not hard at all if you use rosetta
[12:15] <sagaci> there will be bugs
[12:15] <head_victim> sagaci: yep but it seems you've worked out how to fix them already
[12:16] <jaddi27> bugs in the translations?
[12:16] <jaddi27> and how do you fix them?
[12:17] <head_victim> Well I'm off for a while, thanks for chairing tonigiht jaddi27 and good to see you and sagaci working well together :)
[12:17] <sagaci> jaddi27, like if the original string has a typo, etc
[12:17] <jaddi27> That's fine. It is looking like the team is getting more on track now
[12:18] <sagaci> head_victim, just quickly, any news on the reapproval
[12:20] <sagaci> obv not and any news would be on the mailing list already, i think
[12:22] <jaddi27> sagaci: Have you ever got the message 'There are 2 errors in the translations you provided. Please correct them before continuing.'? Do you know what it means?
[12:23] <sagaci> nope...?
[12:24] <jaddi27> I cannot see anything that I have to do, so it is a bit odd
[12:25] <jaddi27> I think we are doing the same package
[12:25] <jaddi27> that must be where the error came from
[12:26] <sagaci> oneiric is at 161000
[12:26] <sagaci> but that will drop once the focus is shifted to oneiric
[12:26] <sagaci> still probably +20,000 strings or so
[12:26] <jaddi27> yes
[12:27] <sagaci> i'd like it done by 12.04, which is still a long way to go but the more we do sooner, means we don't have to jam it in later
[12:27] <sagaci> excuse the pun
[12:29] <jaddi27> i plan on keeping on working on it, but might do not as much during uni
[12:30] <sagaci> you're on sem break?
[12:31] <jaddi27> yes, at the moment
[12:31] <jaddi27> go back on july 25
[12:32] <sagaci> two weeks
[12:34] <jaddi27> yep
[12:34] <sagaci> ah well, at least most of the main packages ordinary users would use are done
[12:35] <jaddi27> yes, that is good
[12:35] <jaddi27> where are firefox and chromium translated?
[12:35] <sagaci> firefox has been done
[12:36] <jaddi27> i just thought i read somewhere saying that firefox and thunderbird are not translated through rosetta
[12:36] <jaddi27> is that right, or am i mixed up a bit?
[12:38] <head_victim> sagaci: no news, the only thing I've had is an acknowledgement that it's been logged
[12:38]  * head_victim disappears again
[12:38]  * sagaci sees the magic smoke
[12:39] <sagaci> https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/natty/+source/firefox/+pots/firefox
[12:40] <sagaci> not 100% sure about chromium-browser
[12:40] <sagaci> i need to shoot an email to get lp-en_AU registered as a proper team
[12:44] <jaddi27> it is not a proper team at the moment?
[12:45] <sagaci> not the lp translators team for en_AU, might be getting confused with the ubuntu-au translation team
[12:45] <sagaci> i know, confusing
[12:46] <jaddi27> right
[12:47] <jaddi27> i thought there were two teams
[12:47] <jaddi27> makes sense now
[12:52] <jaddi27> i will be off now
[12:52] <jaddi27> night
[12:53] <sagaci> night
[13:27] <ikt> how did the meeting go?
[13:54] <ikt> sagaci, you there?
[13:55] <ikt> or even head_victim ?
[14:41] <head_victim> ikt: yeah I"m here now. Went well, there should be an email on the list about it soonish
[14:44] <ikt> sweet
[14:44] <ikt> did you want a google plus invite?
[14:45] <ikt> doesn't matter, just tried to share an invite with your gmail address
[14:45] <ikt> laters :)
[14:46] <head_victim> Heh no worries, just add me mate
[14:46] <head_victim> I gotta jet myself, hopefully the email should be tthere in the next day or so