/srv/irclogs.ubuntu.com/2011/07/10/#ubuntu-ops.txt

LjLas long as the cusswords aren't the center of it, who cares?00:00
tonyyarusso+100:00
topylii appreciate your stirctness on the guidelines bazhang (absolutely no sarcasm here), but the link was useful and funny too and we can probably use common sense too00:00
tonyyarussoAlso, !language != NSFW00:00
bazhanganyone care to rebut test34 feel free01:19
bazhangaugh01:20
bazhangwhat does msdos have to do with ubuntu installs01:20
bazhang<ubuntufreak21> im trying to use unetbootin to load windows 7 onto usb bought there two things i need help on01:23
bazhangwaiting for : but I have ubuntu on another computer!!101:23
rwwnot even going to bother pointing out that SHA-1 also has security flaws.01:23
bazhangthanks for that rww01:23
rwwnp01:24
rwwanother example of people ignoring the concept of "not supported here" :(01:25
bazhangthat being an extreme example01:25
FlannelWell, losing USB support in Ubuntu is ontopic.  But I'm a bit confused at what he was doing when he lost USB support01:27
rwwit's probably just not mounting because of a failed attempt to get an ISO onto it01:27
bazhanghe never lost usb support. he could not use unetbootin to make a windows 7 iso boot correctly, of which ##windows has many suggestions , not involving unetbootin that work01:28
FlannelThis is likely, except it sounds like he was trying to boot to two USB drives, which after rebooting to Ubuntu, wouldn't cause that.  Of course, the "I did A, B, then C" was as clear as mud.01:29
rwwFlannel: well, now's your time to shine if you're curious about it :P01:42
ikoniaI thought firefox 5 had been pushed to 10.04 too ?11:15
Tm_Tit is IIRC11:46
ikoniabackports ?11:52
Tm_TI actually don't know11:56
Tm_Thttp://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=Firefox&searchon=names&suite=all&section=all11:57
Tm_Tapparently only natty11:57
ikoniathat's what I saw, but I was sure it was in 10.04 now too11:58
ikoniaguess I'm wrong11:58
Tm_Tit should be, considering it's the only(?) supported version11:58
oCeanoneiric comes with ff6?12:00
Tm_Tyup12:00
ikoniait's not even stable is it ?12:03
Tm_Tnot yet, but it will be by the time of Oneiric12:03
ikoniaseems bonkers to build a release around a product that may/may not be stable at release time12:04
Tm_Tikonia: Firefox is doing scheduled releases12:04
Tm_Tso it will be stable release by the time12:05
ikoniaso it's %100 guarenteed to be stable ?12:05
Tm_Tikonia: it's stable release, and it's the one that is supported by upstream12:06
Tm_T"Mozilla expects to release Firefox 6 on August, 16th."12:06
ikoniaexpects12:06
ikoniais the key word12:06
Tm_Tsure12:06
Tm_Tmid august, there's good two months before the Oneirics12:07
Tm_Tper this current pace, it could be there's Firefox 7 out by that time12:07
ikoniautter garbage12:07
ikoniathe expection on people to upgrade versions like this12:08
ikoniaand the plan of building stable OS distributions on in development projects12:08
topylithey'll never get businesses to use firefox now12:08
ikoniaagreed12:08
ikoniasame way it's hard to justify ubuntu12:08
ikoniaand fedora12:08
Tm_Tapparently the plan is to have new version out very 6 weeks12:09
Tm_Ts/very/every/12:09
ikoniacomical12:10
ikoniayou can see #ubuntu now "is firefox 12 available for 8.04 yet" ?12:10
Tm_Tsee, this is why you all should use Konqueror instead12:11
ikoniaeven from a windows point of view, where software upgrades at not really locked into your OS version, every 6 weeks is a joke for a home user12:12
ikoniait's bad enough with the adobe flash and acrobat updates, I can't imagine a browser needing that level of update12:13
Tm_Tikonia: Chrome?12:18
ikoniaI don't use it12:20
topylichrome is not a viable option for a distro that values freedom anyway. chromium maybe, if it's possible to support one version for as long as ubuntu needs12:23
topylilet's just switch to epiphany already and be done with it :)12:23
Tm_Ttopyli: ye, chrome/chromium is doing this "rabid release cycle" too, so they're on the same boat with Firefox12:24
ikoniaIE looks more of a sensible choice with each new direction these projects are taken12:25
topylipeople tell me it's a pretty good browser these days too12:25
Tm_Tit's not12:25
ikoniaseems ok to me12:26
topyliit's a tad non-free though :)12:26
Tm_Tit's better than what it has been, but still, there's serious usability issues12:26
ikoniaI don't find it much better/worse than firefox at the moment12:26
ikoniathe rubbish activeX style stuff is still there but as a general browser, it doesn't seem bad12:26
Tm_Tikonia: different usecases and experiences, ye it works for basic usage I suppose12:26
ikoniaTm_T: as a dumb browser for rendering html, it seems more than fine now12:27
ikoniafor more - it's not good12:27
ikoniabut then, the other are also not good at the moment12:27
oCean!addppa is <reply> Since Ubuntu 9.10, a !ppa can be added using a single command «  sudo add-apt-repository ppa:user/ppa-name » See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Ubuntu#Adding%20PPAs for more details12:27
ubottuI'll remember that, oCean12:27
oCean!ppa is <sed> /$/ See also !addppa/12:29
ubottuI'll remember that oCean12:29
Tm_Ta jolly person in #k12:33
oCeansigh14:16
bazhangubuntufreak21 was the one asking earlier how to use unetbootin to get win7 iso to flash key14:17
ikoniaI'm getting fed up with him now14:17
bazhanghe's purposefully wasting time, it appears. he's been told many times its umount and not unmount14:18
ikoniaagreed14:18
ikoniahence why he's gone14:18
ikoniait's not fair on others who are paying attention and not getting the time he's getting14:18
ubuntufreak21im sorry for misspelling in didnt copy or past sudo part rifght14:21
ubuntufreak21my typing is horrible14:22
ikoniaubuntufreak21: it wasn't just misstyping14:22
ikoniayou where activly not following instruction14:23
ikoniayou where told to do /media/$disk14:23
ikoniayou did /dev/$disk14:23
ikoniayou where told "sudo" you did "udo" more than once14:23
ikoniayou where told umount, you did "unmount" multiple times14:23
ikoniait is not fair on people that you are getting this level of attention and ignoring it14:23
ikoniayou where told the disk needed to be unmounted, yet you continued with it mounted14:23
ikoniaI suggest you read https://help.ubuntu.com and get an understanding for the basicis of using ubuntu14:24
ikoniait will help you when you actually need to get help14:24
ubuntufreak21im sorry i misstyped sudo14:27
ubuntufreak21my bad14:27
ikoniaI think you need to re-read what I've just typed14:27
ikoniait wasn't just sudo14:27
ikoniait was your whole attitude of not paying attention14:27
ubuntufreak21i typed in exactly what you said and ubuntufreak21@Joshua-AOD255E:~$ sudo unmount /dev /Kingston14:29
ubuntufreak21[sudo] password for ubuntufreak21:14:29
ubuntufreak21sudo: unmount: command not found14:29
ubuntufreak21ubuntufreak21@Joshua-AOD255E:~$14:29
ikoniaubuntufreak21: please stop and listen14:29
ubuntufreak21ok14:29
ikoniaubuntufreak21: it wasn't just that 1 instance14:29
ubuntufreak21ok?14:29
ikoniaand that is NOT what I told you to type14:29
ubuntufreak21no i typed both14:30
ikoniaso again, I'm explaining that I had to remove you from the channel as you where just wasting peoples time and could end up doing damage to your system by not following the instructions given to you14:30
ubuntufreak21youre not listening14:30
ikoniaI assure you I am14:30
ikoniawhat I suggest you do is read https://help.ubuntu.com get a basic feel of how ubuntu works14:31
ikoniathat way when you next come back for help you'll be able to participate better14:31
ubuntufreak21i typed in first sudo mount/media/$kingston it didnt work then i tried the other one it didnt work14:31
ubuntufreak21so i typed both okay14:31
ikoniaubuntufreak21: look, I'm not going to get into this further, you where not typing the commands given to you14:31
ikoniamultiple people where correcting you and you just kept re-typing the same wrong things, that can be dangerous14:32
ikoniait's also not fair on the other channel members that the level of attention you where getting was hogging the channel and you where still not listening, there are others who need help14:33
ikoniaso again, take a little time to read through https://help.ubuntu.com it will give you the basics of how to use ubuntu14:33
ubuntufreak21ubuntufreak21@Joshua-AOD255E:~$ sudo mount/media/$Kingston14:33
ubuntufreak21sudo: mount/media/: command not found14:33
ikoniaplease stop typign that14:33
ubuntufreak21ok14:33
ikoniainfact, please leave this channel now14:33
ubuntufreak21sorry14:33
ikoniatake a few days out of #ubuntu to read the documentation14:33
ikoniaubuntufreak21: please come back to #ubuntu in a few days and we'll look at removing your ban, I also notice you've joined #ubuntu-server please don't start asking for desktop support in there14:36
ikoniaubuntufreak21: could you please repond that understand, or say if you're not clear on anything14:41
ikoniaubuntufreak21: as you're not responding I'm going to ask you to leave the channel now as we have a rule of not idling in the channel so others can get help when they need it14:45
ikonia@bansearch bruenig15:27
ubottuNo matches found for bruenig!~root@ip70-179-123-171.dc.dc.cox.net in any channel15:28
LjLarch person15:28
ikoniayes15:28
ikoniabanned many times, just checking there wasn't an active one as he appears to have changed isp15:29
ubuntufreak21hello?15:50
Tm_Tikonia: ^15:50
ubuntufreak21hey why kind of things can this channel talk about/15:52
Tm_Tubuntufreak21: see the channel topic15:52
ubuntufreak21i like to report abuse from #ubuntu server15:53
Tm_Tyes?15:53
ubuntufreak21they like to argue and arent very helpful at explaining things15:54
Tm_Tthat's not abuse15:54
ubuntufreak21they banned me like six times because they think they are right15:54
ubuntufreak21one even said i was stupid15:55
Tm_Tas far as I can see, you were not banned in #ubuntu-server15:55
ubuntufreak21they kicked me off the server15:56
ubuntufreak21using ubottu15:56
Tm_TI see no logs of that either, unfortunately15:56
ubuntufreak21because they are gopod15:56
ubuntufreak21good15:56
Tm_Tand ubottu isn't capable of kicking anyone15:56
Tm_TI see15:57
oCeanrcmaehl: what can we do for you?16:07
rcmaehl>.<16:07
oCeanyes?16:07
rcmaehlForgot to remove this channel from my autojoins16:07
rcmaehlsorry16:07
oCeanright16:08
popeyTm_T: he didnt mention #ubuntu-server, he said #ubuntu server, ie. the irc17:04
popey(an hour late I know)17:04
Tm_Tah17:05
ikoniait's hard to know what he was genuinly talking about17:05
ikoniaas he is in #ubuntu-server17:05
Tm_Tthat's why I assumed it was about that17:05
popeyah okay17:05
popeysorry17:05
Tm_Tconsidering he talked entirely different thing than the past discussion about #ubuntu17:05
ikoniapopey: you could be right17:05
Tm_Tonly he knows, if even17:05
ikoniait's just really hard to know17:05
popeyheh17:05
popeysorry, don't let me waste more time on it17:06
* Tm_T huggles all17:06
IdleOneI read that as he was talking about #ubuntu-server aslso. confusion seemed to be on both sides there17:06
IdleOnealso*17:06
oCeanmintacious21: hello, how can we help?18:36
ikoniamintacious21: please don't try to ban dodge by changing your nickname18:37
ikoniayou are banned as ubuntufreak2118:37
ikoniamintacious21: it was explained to you earlier to take a few days away from #ubuntu and read https://help.ubuntu.com to get a basic understanding of ubuntu18:38
ikoniais there a reason you've tried to rejoin the channel ?18:39
ikoniamintacious21: if you wish to remain in this channel you need to respond to questions or state your business18:41
mintacious21I changed my name because i am waiting for someone to log in for help i dont want to associate with you because your mean18:42
ikoniathen please leave this channel18:43
mintacious21im waiting for impiza if he does come on because he is helpful kind courteous18:43
ikoniamintacious21: you can't wait in this channel18:43
mintacious21we private message18:44
ikoniamintacious21: ok - then please leave THIS channel18:44
mintacious21bye freakadeaks!18:44
ikoniabye18:44
ikonia@mark #ubuntu-ops mintacious21 ubuntufreak21 changing nicks to get around ban, poor attitude still18:45
ubottuThe operation succeeded.18:45
__sephirothhello18:56
ikonia__sephiroth: welcome to the home of the ubuntu operators, how can we help you18:56
__sephirothi'm looking for an ubuntu op18:56
__sephirothoic... I got banned for telling someone to stfu18:56
ikoniawe are here18:56
ikoniaok18:56
__sephirothI would like to be unbanned from ubuntu-offtopic18:56
__sephirothi think the person i told was an op... :(18:56
ikoniatelling anyone to stfu is unacceptable18:56
__sephirothAnyways I'm very sorry.18:57
ikonia__sephiroth: one moment please.18:57
__sephirothalright thanks.18:58
ikoniaah yes, it was me you told18:59
__sephirothi knew it.18:59
ikoniaI asked you pretty reasonable questions and you told me to stfu18:59
__sephirothWell i'm sorry. I was acting strange that day19:00
ikoniaas I understand it you where a problem before that day19:00
ikoniaasking about proxies and trying to get around restrictive networks19:00
__sephirothnot true.19:00
__sephirothJust mask my ip19:00
__sephirothassume anonymity19:01
ikoniawell, that's not how the logs come across, you've also been a problem in other ubuntu channels19:01
__sephirothyeah true... I get around.19:01
ikoniaI think it's best you keep out of #ubuntu-offtopic at this time as you've tried to get around bans before19:02
__sephirothWhat I never tried to get around bans...19:02
ikoniawell you've been banned 2 times for telling people to stfu in #ubuntu-offtopic19:02
__sephirothMy comp is autocofigured to join ubuntu-offtopic (ubuntu-love)19:02
ikoniaso I don't think you've quite grasped how to behave19:02
__sephirothidk how i joined those times... honest19:02
__sephirothI thought it was kinda weird but i just ignored it19:03
ikoniawell, you're behaviour when you where in them was unacceptable, so I think it's best you keep out19:03
ikoniaI'd suggest removing the autojoin from your computer19:03
__sephiroththat's lame.19:04
__sephirothunban me... I've been a ubuntu user since 8.0419:04
ikoniahow long you've used it means you should know how to behave by now19:04
ikonia__sephiroth: look, you've been banned 2 times from #ubuntu-offtopic for telling people to "stfu" - you don't get it that it's not allowed, so I see no benifit to allowing you back in19:04
__sephirothI even installed it without theinternet and had to te\ach myself c++ without a comp because i didn't\ know how to use it.19:04
__sephirothThis isn't fair19:05
ikoniahow does that make your behaviour acceptable19:05
__sephirothI'm just explaining my struggle19:05
ikoniaI'm just explaining why you are banned19:05
__sephirothfine.19:05
__sephirothq/e19:05
__sephirothw/e19:05
ubottuFloodBot1 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (repeated abuse from Wantstolearn)20:11
Tm_Tgood night all20:39
ikonianight20:41
bazhangmintacious21, how can we help you22:08
Jordan_UWas moober allowed back in #ubuntu? (See "moober3")22:46
Jordan_UOr maybe I'm misremembering the nick, I thought there was a "moober" that had caused a lot of problems but I can't find any reference in the BT.22:48
bazhanghoober22:49
Jordan_UAhh, that's it.22:50

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