[00:00] <LjL> as long as the cusswords aren't the center of it, who cares?
[00:00] <tonyyarusso> +1
[00:00] <topyli> i appreciate your stirctness on the guidelines bazhang (absolutely no sarcasm here), but the link was useful and funny too and we can probably use common sense too
[00:00] <tonyyarusso> Also, !language != NSFW
[01:19] <bazhang> anyone care to rebut test34 feel free
[01:20] <bazhang> augh
[01:20] <bazhang> what does msdos have to do with ubuntu installs
 im trying to use unetbootin to load windows 7 onto usb bought there two things i need help on
[01:23] <bazhang> waiting for : but I have ubuntu on another computer!!1
[01:23] <rww> not even going to bother pointing out that SHA-1 also has security flaws.
[01:23] <bazhang> thanks for that rww
[01:24] <rww> np
[01:25] <rww> another example of people ignoring the concept of "not supported here" :(
[01:25] <bazhang> that being an extreme example
[01:27] <Flannel> Well, losing USB support in Ubuntu is ontopic.  But I'm a bit confused at what he was doing when he lost USB support
[01:27] <rww> it's probably just not mounting because of a failed attempt to get an ISO onto it
[01:28] <bazhang> he never lost usb support. he could not use unetbootin to make a windows 7 iso boot correctly, of which ##windows has many suggestions , not involving unetbootin that work
[01:29] <Flannel> This is likely, except it sounds like he was trying to boot to two USB drives, which after rebooting to Ubuntu, wouldn't cause that.  Of course, the "I did A, B, then C" was as clear as mud.
[01:42] <rww> Flannel: well, now's your time to shine if you're curious about it :P
[11:15] <ikonia> I thought firefox 5 had been pushed to 10.04 too ?
[11:46] <Tm_T> it is IIRC
[11:52] <ikonia> backports ?
[11:56] <Tm_T> I actually don't know
[11:57] <Tm_T> http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=Firefox&searchon=names&suite=all&section=all
[11:57] <Tm_T> apparently only natty
[11:58] <ikonia> that's what I saw, but I was sure it was in 10.04 now too
[11:58] <ikonia> guess I'm wrong
[11:58] <Tm_T> it should be, considering it's the only(?) supported version
[12:00] <oCean> oneiric comes with ff6?
[12:00] <Tm_T> yup
[12:03] <ikonia> it's not even stable is it ?
[12:03] <Tm_T> not yet, but it will be by the time of Oneiric
[12:04] <ikonia> seems bonkers to build a release around a product that may/may not be stable at release time
[12:04] <Tm_T> ikonia: Firefox is doing scheduled releases
[12:05] <Tm_T> so it will be stable release by the time
[12:05] <ikonia> so it's %100 guarenteed to be stable ?
[12:06] <Tm_T> ikonia: it's stable release, and it's the one that is supported by upstream
[12:06] <Tm_T> "Mozilla expects to release Firefox 6 on August, 16th."
[12:06] <ikonia> expects
[12:06] <ikonia> is the key word
[12:06] <Tm_T> sure
[12:07] <Tm_T> mid august, there's good two months before the Oneirics
[12:07] <Tm_T> per this current pace, it could be there's Firefox 7 out by that time
[12:07] <ikonia> utter garbage
[12:08] <ikonia> the expection on people to upgrade versions like this
[12:08] <ikonia> and the plan of building stable OS distributions on in development projects
[12:08] <topyli> they'll never get businesses to use firefox now
[12:08] <ikonia> agreed
[12:08] <ikonia> same way it's hard to justify ubuntu
[12:08] <ikonia> and fedora
[12:09] <Tm_T> apparently the plan is to have new version out very 6 weeks
[12:09] <Tm_T> s/very/every/
[12:10] <ikonia> comical
[12:10] <ikonia> you can see #ubuntu now "is firefox 12 available for 8.04 yet" ?
[12:11] <Tm_T> see, this is why you all should use Konqueror instead
[12:12] <ikonia> even from a windows point of view, where software upgrades at not really locked into your OS version, every 6 weeks is a joke for a home user
[12:13] <ikonia> it's bad enough with the adobe flash and acrobat updates, I can't imagine a browser needing that level of update
[12:18] <Tm_T> ikonia: Chrome?
[12:20] <ikonia> I don't use it
[12:23] <topyli> chrome is not a viable option for a distro that values freedom anyway. chromium maybe, if it's possible to support one version for as long as ubuntu needs
[12:23] <topyli> let's just switch to epiphany already and be done with it :)
[12:24] <Tm_T> topyli: ye, chrome/chromium is doing this "rabid release cycle" too, so they're on the same boat with Firefox
[12:25] <ikonia> IE looks more of a sensible choice with each new direction these projects are taken
[12:25] <topyli> people tell me it's a pretty good browser these days too
[12:25] <Tm_T> it's not
[12:26] <ikonia> seems ok to me
[12:26] <topyli> it's a tad non-free though :)
[12:26] <Tm_T> it's better than what it has been, but still, there's serious usability issues
[12:26] <ikonia> I don't find it much better/worse than firefox at the moment
[12:26] <ikonia> the rubbish activeX style stuff is still there but as a general browser, it doesn't seem bad
[12:26] <Tm_T> ikonia: different usecases and experiences, ye it works for basic usage I suppose
[12:27] <ikonia> Tm_T: as a dumb browser for rendering html, it seems more than fine now
[12:27] <ikonia> for more - it's not good
[12:27] <ikonia> but then, the other are also not good at the moment
[12:27] <oCean> !addppa is <reply> Since Ubuntu 9.10, a !ppa can be added using a single command «  sudo add-apt-repository ppa:user/ppa-name » See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Ubuntu#Adding%20PPAs for more details
[12:29] <oCean> !ppa is <sed> /$/ See also !addppa/
[12:33] <Tm_T> a jolly person in #k
[14:16] <oCean> sigh
[14:17] <bazhang> ubuntufreak21 was the one asking earlier how to use unetbootin to get win7 iso to flash key
[14:17] <ikonia> I'm getting fed up with him now
[14:18] <bazhang> he's purposefully wasting time, it appears. he's been told many times its umount and not unmount
[14:18] <ikonia> agreed
[14:18] <ikonia> hence why he's gone
[14:18] <ikonia> it's not fair on others who are paying attention and not getting the time he's getting
[14:21] <ubuntufreak21> im sorry for misspelling in didnt copy or past sudo part rifght
[14:22] <ubuntufreak21> my typing is horrible
[14:22] <ikonia> ubuntufreak21: it wasn't just misstyping
[14:23] <ikonia> you where activly not following instruction
[14:23] <ikonia> you where told to do /media/$disk
[14:23] <ikonia> you did /dev/$disk
[14:23] <ikonia> you where told "sudo" you did "udo" more than once
[14:23] <ikonia> you where told umount, you did "unmount" multiple times
[14:23] <ikonia> it is not fair on people that you are getting this level of attention and ignoring it
[14:23] <ikonia> you where told the disk needed to be unmounted, yet you continued with it mounted
[14:24] <ikonia> I suggest you read https://help.ubuntu.com and get an understanding for the basicis of using ubuntu
[14:24] <ikonia> it will help you when you actually need to get help
[14:27] <ubuntufreak21> im sorry i misstyped sudo
[14:27] <ubuntufreak21> my bad
[14:27] <ikonia> I think you need to re-read what I've just typed
[14:27] <ikonia> it wasn't just sudo
[14:27] <ikonia> it was your whole attitude of not paying attention
[14:29] <ubuntufreak21> i typed in exactly what you said and ubuntufreak21@Joshua-AOD255E:~$ sudo unmount /dev /Kingston
[14:29] <ubuntufreak21> [sudo] password for ubuntufreak21:
[14:29] <ubuntufreak21> sudo: unmount: command not found
[14:29] <ubuntufreak21> ubuntufreak21@Joshua-AOD255E:~$
[14:29] <ikonia> ubuntufreak21: please stop and listen
[14:29] <ubuntufreak21> ok
[14:29] <ikonia> ubuntufreak21: it wasn't just that 1 instance
[14:29] <ubuntufreak21> ok?
[14:29] <ikonia> and that is NOT what I told you to type
[14:30] <ubuntufreak21> no i typed both
[14:30] <ikonia> so again, I'm explaining that I had to remove you from the channel as you where just wasting peoples time and could end up doing damage to your system by not following the instructions given to you
[14:30] <ubuntufreak21> youre not listening
[14:30] <ikonia> I assure you I am
[14:31] <ikonia> what I suggest you do is read https://help.ubuntu.com get a basic feel of how ubuntu works
[14:31] <ikonia> that way when you next come back for help you'll be able to participate better
[14:31] <ubuntufreak21> i typed in first sudo mount/media/$kingston it didnt work then i tried the other one it didnt work
[14:31] <ubuntufreak21> so i typed both okay
[14:31] <ikonia> ubuntufreak21: look, I'm not going to get into this further, you where not typing the commands given to you
[14:32] <ikonia> multiple people where correcting you and you just kept re-typing the same wrong things, that can be dangerous
[14:33] <ikonia> it's also not fair on the other channel members that the level of attention you where getting was hogging the channel and you where still not listening, there are others who need help
[14:33] <ikonia> so again, take a little time to read through https://help.ubuntu.com it will give you the basics of how to use ubuntu
[14:33] <ubuntufreak21> ubuntufreak21@Joshua-AOD255E:~$ sudo mount/media/$Kingston
[14:33] <ubuntufreak21> sudo: mount/media/: command not found
[14:33] <ikonia> please stop typign that
[14:33] <ubuntufreak21> ok
[14:33] <ikonia> infact, please leave this channel now
[14:33] <ubuntufreak21> sorry
[14:33] <ikonia> take a few days out of #ubuntu to read the documentation
[14:36] <ikonia> ubuntufreak21: please come back to #ubuntu in a few days and we'll look at removing your ban, I also notice you've joined #ubuntu-server please don't start asking for desktop support in there
[14:41] <ikonia> ubuntufreak21: could you please repond that understand, or say if you're not clear on anything
[14:45] <ikonia> ubuntufreak21: as you're not responding I'm going to ask you to leave the channel now as we have a rule of not idling in the channel so others can get help when they need it
[15:27] <ikonia> @bansearch bruenig
[15:28] <LjL> arch person
[15:28] <ikonia> yes
[15:29] <ikonia> banned many times, just checking there wasn't an active one as he appears to have changed isp
[15:50] <ubuntufreak21> hello?
[15:50] <Tm_T> ikonia: ^
[15:52] <ubuntufreak21> hey why kind of things can this channel talk about/
[15:52] <Tm_T> ubuntufreak21: see the channel topic
[15:53] <ubuntufreak21> i like to report abuse from #ubuntu server
[15:53] <Tm_T> yes?
[15:54] <ubuntufreak21> they like to argue and arent very helpful at explaining things
[15:54] <Tm_T> that's not abuse
[15:54] <ubuntufreak21> they banned me like six times because they think they are right
[15:55] <ubuntufreak21> one even said i was stupid
[15:55] <Tm_T> as far as I can see, you were not banned in #ubuntu-server
[15:56] <ubuntufreak21> they kicked me off the server
[15:56] <ubuntufreak21> using ubottu
[15:56] <Tm_T> I see no logs of that either, unfortunately
[15:56] <ubuntufreak21> because they are gopod
[15:56] <ubuntufreak21> good
[15:56] <Tm_T> and ubottu isn't capable of kicking anyone
[15:57] <Tm_T> I see
[16:07] <oCean> rcmaehl: what can we do for you?
[16:07] <rcmaehl> >.<
[16:07] <oCean> yes?
[16:07] <rcmaehl> Forgot to remove this channel from my autojoins
[16:07] <rcmaehl> sorry
[16:08] <oCean> right
[17:04] <popey> Tm_T: he didnt mention #ubuntu-server, he said #ubuntu server, ie. the irc
[17:04] <popey> (an hour late I know)
[17:05] <Tm_T> ah
[17:05] <ikonia> it's hard to know what he was genuinly talking about
[17:05] <ikonia> as he is in #ubuntu-server
[17:05] <Tm_T> that's why I assumed it was about that
[17:05] <popey> ah okay
[17:05] <popey> sorry
[17:05] <Tm_T> considering he talked entirely different thing than the past discussion about #ubuntu
[17:05] <ikonia> popey: you could be right
[17:05] <Tm_T> only he knows, if even
[17:05] <ikonia> it's just really hard to know
[17:05] <popey> heh
[17:06] <popey> sorry, don't let me waste more time on it
[17:06]  * Tm_T huggles all
[17:06] <IdleOne> I read that as he was talking about #ubuntu-server aslso. confusion seemed to be on both sides there
[17:06] <IdleOne> also*
[18:36] <oCean> mintacious21: hello, how can we help?
[18:37] <ikonia> mintacious21: please don't try to ban dodge by changing your nickname
[18:37] <ikonia> you are banned as ubuntufreak21
[18:38] <ikonia> mintacious21: it was explained to you earlier to take a few days away from #ubuntu and read https://help.ubuntu.com to get a basic understanding of ubuntu
[18:39] <ikonia> is there a reason you've tried to rejoin the channel ?
[18:41] <ikonia> mintacious21: if you wish to remain in this channel you need to respond to questions or state your business
[18:42] <mintacious21> I changed my name because i am waiting for someone to log in for help i dont want to associate with you because your mean
[18:43] <ikonia> then please leave this channel
[18:43] <mintacious21> im waiting for impiza if he does come on because he is helpful kind courteous
[18:43] <ikonia> mintacious21: you can't wait in this channel
[18:44] <mintacious21> we private message
[18:44] <ikonia> mintacious21: ok - then please leave THIS channel
[18:44] <mintacious21> bye freakadeaks!
[18:44] <ikonia> bye
[18:45] <ikonia> @mark #ubuntu-ops mintacious21 ubuntufreak21 changing nicks to get around ban, poor attitude still
[18:56] <__sephiroth> hello
[18:56] <ikonia> __sephiroth: welcome to the home of the ubuntu operators, how can we help you
[18:56] <__sephiroth> i'm looking for an ubuntu op
[18:56] <__sephiroth> oic... I got banned for telling someone to stfu
[18:56] <ikonia> we are here
[18:56] <ikonia> ok
[18:56] <__sephiroth> I would like to be unbanned from ubuntu-offtopic
[18:56] <__sephiroth> i think the person i told was an op... :(
[18:56] <ikonia> telling anyone to stfu is unacceptable
[18:57] <__sephiroth> Anyways I'm very sorry.
[18:57] <ikonia> __sephiroth: one moment please.
[18:58] <__sephiroth> alright thanks.
[18:59] <ikonia> ah yes, it was me you told
[18:59] <__sephiroth> i knew it.
[18:59] <ikonia> I asked you pretty reasonable questions and you told me to stfu
[19:00] <__sephiroth> Well i'm sorry. I was acting strange that day
[19:00] <ikonia> as I understand it you where a problem before that day
[19:00] <ikonia> asking about proxies and trying to get around restrictive networks
[19:00] <__sephiroth> not true.
[19:00] <__sephiroth> Just mask my ip
[19:01] <__sephiroth> assume anonymity
[19:01] <ikonia> well, that's not how the logs come across, you've also been a problem in other ubuntu channels
[19:01] <__sephiroth> yeah true... I get around.
[19:02] <ikonia> I think it's best you keep out of #ubuntu-offtopic at this time as you've tried to get around bans before
[19:02] <__sephiroth> What I never tried to get around bans...
[19:02] <ikonia> well you've been banned 2 times for telling people to stfu in #ubuntu-offtopic
[19:02] <__sephiroth> My comp is autocofigured to join ubuntu-offtopic (ubuntu-love)
[19:02] <ikonia> so I don't think you've quite grasped how to behave
[19:02] <__sephiroth> idk how i joined those times... honest
[19:03] <__sephiroth> I thought it was kinda weird but i just ignored it
[19:03] <ikonia> well, you're behaviour when you where in them was unacceptable, so I think it's best you keep out
[19:03] <ikonia> I'd suggest removing the autojoin from your computer
[19:04] <__sephiroth> that's lame.
[19:04] <__sephiroth> unban me... I've been a ubuntu user since 8.04
[19:04] <ikonia> how long you've used it means you should know how to behave by now
[19:04] <ikonia> __sephiroth: look, you've been banned 2 times from #ubuntu-offtopic for telling people to "stfu" - you don't get it that it's not allowed, so I see no benifit to allowing you back in
[19:04] <__sephiroth> I even installed it without theinternet and had to te\ach myself c++ without a comp because i didn't\ know how to use it.
[19:05] <__sephiroth> This isn't fair
[19:05] <ikonia> how does that make your behaviour acceptable
[19:05] <__sephiroth> I'm just explaining my struggle
[19:05] <ikonia> I'm just explaining why you are banned
[19:05] <__sephiroth> fine.
[19:05] <__sephiroth> q/e
[19:05] <__sephiroth> w/e
[20:39] <Tm_T> good night all
[20:41] <ikonia> night
[22:08] <bazhang> mintacious21, how can we help you
[22:46] <Jordan_U> Was moober allowed back in #ubuntu? (See "moober3")
[22:48] <Jordan_U> Or maybe I'm misremembering the nick, I thought there was a "moober" that had caused a lot of problems but I can't find any reference in the BT.
[22:49] <bazhang> hoober
[22:50] <Jordan_U> Ahh, that's it.