[00:00] <kiichiro> nvm think I found it, sorry not used to this, I just recently switched away even from the evil windows world and still learning basic terminal, sorry.
[00:01] <kiichiro> ya I might need help actually.
[00:05] <TheEvilPhoenix> kiichiro:  it might not work then of course.
[00:12] <kiichiro> figures
[00:18] <kiichiro> the server found it but don't know how to cd into it
[00:19] <TheEvilPhoenix> well you'd have to ssh into it or something
[00:19] <TheEvilPhoenix> which is sort of an issue
[00:19] <TheEvilPhoenix> because it'd need its own IP on your local net or something
[00:19] <kiichiro> since it's only a virtual box
[00:19] <TheEvilPhoenix> mhm
[00:19] <kiichiro> I set up a bridged connection
[00:20] <kiichiro> reason I want to test all of this now in a virtual box is to keep downtime to a minimum
[00:23] <TheEvilPhoenix> ahh
[00:23] <TheEvilPhoenix> well if all you want to do is run a minecraft server
[00:23] <TheEvilPhoenix> you can run that from a non-server  setup
[00:23] <TheEvilPhoenix> even in windows
[00:24] <kiichiro> I want to have it 100% dedicated
[00:24] <kiichiro> nothing to cause lag, nothing to risk crashing the server
[00:24] <TheEvilPhoenix> there's always that risk
[00:24] <TheEvilPhoenix> regardless of how you set stuff up
[00:24] <TheEvilPhoenix> heck, I have a minecraft server right now
[00:24] <TheEvilPhoenix> 50 slots
[00:24] <TheEvilPhoenix> all 50 are full
[00:24] <kiichiro> thus why I'm switching to a server OS to reduce chance
[00:24] <TheEvilPhoenix> its eating up 99.8% of the RAM on a box
[00:24] <TheEvilPhoenix> and i'm on a server os
[00:25] <TheEvilPhoenix> even in server operating systems
[00:25] <TheEvilPhoenix> ***you always run the risk that it will crash, even if you are only running 3 things***
[00:25] <kiichiro> I understand that it can still crash
[00:26] <kiichiro> but switching to an os server reduces it greatly, doesn't prevent, just reduces.
[00:26] <TheEvilPhoenix> state your source
[00:26] <TheEvilPhoenix> i've run a linux server off of a GUI setup of ubuntu desktop edition
[00:26] <TheEvilPhoenix> for two years before the drive wore out
[00:26] <TheEvilPhoenix> physically
[00:26] <kiichiro> I'm running a bukkit server atm with it
[00:26] <TheEvilPhoenix> and i still do it :P
[00:27] <kiichiro> I'm running it via terminal atm. I'd just feel better with it with 0 other things besides the server. I don't even want the gui to slow it any.
[00:32] <TheEvilPhoenix> well  here's the thing
[00:32] <kiichiro> getting the feeling you are trying to talk me out of switching to a server os just for minecraft server
[00:32] <TheEvilPhoenix> there's always sub processes running alongside minecraft
[00:32] <TheEvilPhoenix> take for instance my server which runs 3 minecraft servers
[00:32] <TheEvilPhoenix> its got about 65 other processes that i dont even use
[00:32] <TheEvilPhoenix> 50% of those i dont even know wth they do
[00:32] <TheEvilPhoenix> but the system remains stable
[00:33] <TheEvilPhoenix> and that's a dedicated box, dedicated OS for server stuff, CLI only.
[00:33] <TheEvilPhoenix> take my other server here
[00:33] <TheEvilPhoenix> this one runs 1 minecraft server, and IRCD, multiple web sites, and a buncha other crap (including a mail server)
[00:33] <TheEvilPhoenix> stable
[00:33] <TheEvilPhoenix> even with 250 processes sharing a quad core based system
[00:34] <TheEvilPhoenix> (its just a desktop box with the GUI operating installed and then the server packages)
[00:34] <TheEvilPhoenix> so you don't need to switch to a dedicated server OS to run a minecraft server
[00:34] <TheEvilPhoenix> if that's ALL you need to run, then you're better off using some system you already have
[00:34] <TheEvilPhoenix> if you need another, say, 5 minecraft servers, eradicating the GUI may be a good idea
[00:35] <TheEvilPhoenix> but you're still going to have all the base packages and tools that come with ubuntu server
[00:35] <TheEvilPhoenix> which will still  eat up resources
[00:35] <TheEvilPhoenix> so its irrelevant really  whether you want to run the minecraft server or not.  especially on linux
[00:35] <TheEvilPhoenix> because even in a GUI environment, you load up a terminal and type java -args ./minecraft_server.jar
[00:35] <TheEvilPhoenix> and it STILL  works
[00:36] <TheEvilPhoenix> its not worth switching over to a server OS just to run one item
[00:36] <TheEvilPhoenix> unless of course its a mirror of google or a mirror of Ubuntu's keyservers, or a Debian Repository mirror
[00:36] <TheEvilPhoenix> in which case, god help you
[00:36] <TheEvilPhoenix> but for just a minecraft server?
[00:37] <TheEvilPhoenix> the amount of work you'd need to learn the server environment outweighs the benefits
[00:37] <TheEvilPhoenix> just for the one minecraft server
[00:37] <TheEvilPhoenix> s/the one/one/
[00:38] <kiichiro> well I plan on probably doing hosting which means I want less lag as possible
[00:38] <TheEvilPhoenix> define "hosting"
[00:38] <TheEvilPhoenix> because that also has numerous other definitions
[00:39] <kiichiro> as in hosting a server for other people.
[00:43] <kiichiro> thus I will need more than 1 server running, so more the better. since you yourself even said you use 3 on your non gui and only 1 on your gui
[00:43] <TheEvilPhoenix> yes, but those systems have >= 16GB RAM
[00:43] <TheEvilPhoenix> you realize that in order to run effectively, a 20 slot minecraft server takes up 2GB of RAM right?
[00:44] <kiichiro> 20 slot?
[00:44] <TheEvilPhoenix> any number of slots actually
[00:44] <TheEvilPhoenix> bare minimum usage to operate lag-free
[00:44] <TheEvilPhoenix> well
[00:44] <TheEvilPhoenix> bare minimum allocated that is
[00:44] <TheEvilPhoenix> so if you have a 32GB RAM system, you can run 15 minecraft servers
[00:44] <TheEvilPhoenix> put 16 on, your  system runs implosion risk :P
[00:47] <kiichiro> wow
[00:47] <TheEvilPhoenix> so you've got to consider: how BADLY do you want to run minecraft servers for people?
[00:48] <TheEvilPhoenix> (and btw, I charge inordinate amounts of money for minecraft servers, so its not a free hosting thing I do)
[00:48] <kiichiro> I would not freely host
[00:49] <kiichiro> but I think I should get a lil better comp even before switching to just a server os server computer.
[00:49] <TheEvilPhoenix> probly not a bad idea :P
[00:49] <TheEvilPhoenix> lets keep in mind my dedi i spent a couple thousand for
[00:49] <TheEvilPhoenix> but that's because its an actual server
[00:49] <TheEvilPhoenix> :P
[00:50] <kiichiro> figured my computer handles it so well thought it might be able to at least hold 4-5 more
[00:50] <TheEvilPhoenix> oh god no :P
[00:50] <TheEvilPhoenix> one minecraft server anything with enough ram and CPU can run
[00:50] <TheEvilPhoenix> two, depends
[00:50] <TheEvilPhoenix> three, pushing it on a high-end system
[00:50] <TheEvilPhoenix> four, god help you
[00:51] <kiichiro> yikes
[00:51] <TheEvilPhoenix> for standard consumer-level people :P
[00:51] <TheEvilPhoenix> (granted I'm not a consumer... i'm a power user, so I have the money to spend on even higher end boxes and setups)
[00:53] <kiichiro> nice, I've always wanted enough money for high end computers, owell in the future
[01:21] <kiichiro> so in other words, atm no reason to switch to ubuntu server?
[01:52] <TheEvilPhoenix> nope
[04:27] <Guest1474> Having issue with mounting 3 out of 4 raid5 disks (first disk failed)... keep getting "no superblock" errors... can someone please help me???
[04:33] <lifeless> Guest1474: what do you mean by 3 out of 4? do you have 4 separate raid arrays, or a single 4-disk array ?
[04:34] <Guest1474> 4 disk array, one disk died today
[04:34] <Guest1474> I'm trying to recover some files off it
[04:34] <lifeless> is it a md raid / lvm raid / dm raid / hardware raid ?
[04:35] <Guest1474> the disk that had the OS on it is the one that died, so I've booted SystemRescueCd
[04:35] <Guest1474> md raid
[04:36] <Guest1474> when I start sysrescuecd it detects the raid's and sets up /dev/md0, but when I go to mount it it throws errors about one of the disks having a bad superblock and then the /dev/md0 file is no longer there
[04:39] <druciferre> any help you can give me in recovering some of my files will be much appreciated
[04:44] <notAsysAdmin> i am trying to do sudo iptables-save > /etc/firewall-rules, prmission denied? anyone know why?
[04:46] <druciferre> notAsysAdmin, have you checked to make sure firewall-rules isn't a directory ?
[04:48] <notAsysAdmin> yes, i'm sure it is not
[04:52] <jmarsden> notAsysAdmin: The redirect >/etc/firewall-rules is happening in your normal user shell, not inside sudo.
[04:52] <jmarsden> Try something closer to    sudo iptables-save |sudo tee /etc/firewall-rules
[04:56] <notAsysAdmin> what about if i do sudo passwd **
[04:57] <jmarsden> notAsysAdmin: You need to explain what you are trying to do with that strange command...
[04:57] <notAsysAdmin> login as root, then run the iptables-save command
[04:57] <jmarsden> Don't do that.  If you want, you can do    sudo -i
[04:57] <jmarsden> and then in the resulting root shell, do    iptables-save >/etc/firewall-rules
[04:58] <jmarsden> And then type exit.   But it's more work than the command I suggested!
[04:58] <jmarsden> Did you try my suggestion?  Did it work?
[05:01] <notAsysAdmin> i just did your original suggestion - it did work, the firewall-rules file contains all iptables rules i have recently typed.
[05:01] <notAsysAdmin> thank-you
[05:01] <jmarsden> You're welcome.
[05:04] <notAsysAdmin> if i put: pre-up iptables-restore < /etc/firewall-rules into /etc/network/interfaces, it has to go after the loopback device entry, right?
[05:04] <druciferre> have 4 disks in raid5 array, one died today, need help recovering files... mdadm --examine /dev/md0 returns "no md superblock detected"
[05:08] <lifeless> druciferre: hi, sorry, was afk for a bit
[05:08] <druciferre> no problem, I'm trying out openSUSE and I don't thin the open source nvidia drivers like dual monitors... it locked up
[05:08] <druciferre> but that's a different issue
[05:10] <druciferre> lifeless, if I do mdadm --assemble /dev/md0 /dev/sda5 /dev/sdb5 /dev/sdc5, it returns "/dev/sda5 has no superblock"
[05:11] <druciferre> lifeless, but I can do "mdadm --examine /dev/sda5" and it says everything is okay ?
[05:13] <lifeless> http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Software-RAID-HOWTO-8.html might help
[05:13] <lifeless> I don't have a canned answer in my head for your situation, sorry :(
[05:14] <druciferre> if it has just been one of the disks that didn't have the darn OS on it, I think i would have been alright
[05:15] <notAsysAdmin> i'm having trouble doing an iptables-restore at boot. how would you guys do it?
[05:16] <druciferre> I found a great article on doing it once before, if my damn server hadn't crashed today I could tell you in 4 seconds, but let me see if I can find the article again
[05:17] <druciferre> the basic idea is that the network daemon actually has scripts that can be run when a device goes up or down
[05:17] <notAsysAdmin> thanks - i've googled and googled and googled
[05:18] <notAsysAdmin> ... and googled
[05:18] <druciferre> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IptablesHowTo       scroll down to the section titled "Configuration on Startup for NetworkManager"
[05:19] <druciferre> assuming you're using NetworkManager, I think this will be what you're looking for
[05:20] <notAsysAdmin> nah, just stock standard ubuntu server and iptables
[05:21] <druciferre> wait... that's not the same thing I used...
[05:21] <druciferre> http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/445
[05:21] <druciferre> not exactly the same article, but everything looks about the same
[05:23] <druciferre> notAsysAdmin, try the second article I linked you to, let me know if it works...
[05:27] <notAsysAdmin> -bash: !/bin/sh": event not found
[05:29] <qman__> missing a #
[05:30] <notAsysAdmin> if i put: pre-up iptables-restore < /etc/firewall-rules into /etc/network/interfaces, where does it go in the file?
[05:34] <druciferre> after the #!/bin/sh line
[06:56] <phaidros> is there any mechanism which alters config files back to original state once in a while?
[06:56] <phaidros> funnily my sshd_config gets set to "permitrootlogin yes" again a couple of hours I have set it to "no"
[06:57] <phaidros> sounds much like an open system imho, so probably I have to kill the machine asap and set it up again.
[06:58] <nandemonai> phaidros: That's certainly not normal. I'd be checking your access / auth logs.
[06:58] <phaidros> but for further investigation: 1. are there config altering tools? 2. last and auth.log don't tell a thing, where else to look? 3. root/.ssh/authorized_keys has nothing obvious
[07:01] <nandemonai> You could compare the modified time on the ssd conf file and your logs for anything suspicious.
[07:01] <phaidros> what does the /etc/ssh/moduli file do? that got altered at the same time
[07:02] <phaidros> nandemonai: okay .. nothing supicious, found it.
[07:02] <phaidros> *pohew
[07:02] <phaidros> *phew
[07:02] <phaidros> it was a puppet instance set up once for testing which got forgotten ..
[07:03] <nandemonai> :)
[07:03] <phaidros> logs at the same time confirm that :)
[07:03] <nandemonai> Glad you sussed it out.
[07:03] <phaidros> yeah, pretty happy, I dont have to set up the whole thing again :)
[07:04] <phaidros> thanx for hinting!
[07:04] <nandemonai> No worries.
[09:08] <Ozik> hi there. I have Ubuntu Server 10.04. I need help with WoL. I confugured it and it worked fine. Even at night I could halt and then wake. Now I can't. Server is behind Linksys WRT54G2, ip reserved for 166hrs (but it disappeared from DHCP table, other offline devices didn't) ports 7-9forwarded
[09:10] <tkeith> Can much performance be gained by self-compiling the kernel?
[09:34] <StevenR> tkeith: probably not.
[11:34] <dob_> somebody using dibbler-client?
[11:35] <dob_> can i bring up a interface without configuring it?
[12:25] <dob_> somebody using dibbler client?
[12:52] <SpamapS> s
[13:02] <dob_> why is ubuntu using a dhcp server which is older than my grandfather. There is a isc dhcp version3 in lucid and no backport to version 4 which supports ipv6 available. That really sucks!
[13:19] <jMCg> dob_: https://launchpad.net/~network-manager/+archive/ppa/+sourcepub/1714818/+listing-archive-extra first hit in my favourite search engine.
[13:21] <dob_> yes, but if i try to install the client package, everything like apache mysql etc in my host will be removed
[13:22] <dob_> this is so GREAT! ;-)
[13:22] <dob_> the isc server works
[13:22] <dob_> but ppa is also not available via ipv6
[13:23] <jMCg> dob_: that means *no* PPA is available via IPv6.
[13:23] <dob_> yes
[13:24] <dob_> but tried it via ipv4 and the client package isn't working without killing my system :-)
[13:28] <dob_> and it's not possible to use the dhcp init script with -6 mode. I had to rewrite the initscript
[13:29] <dob_> for the server. After that, the server works, but the client can't be installed under lucid without loosing all network aware packages
[14:28] <dob_> somebody using dibbler client? How will i have to configure my interfaces
[15:24] <dob_> can i obtain if a address is currently in tentative status?
[15:58] <ubuntufreak21> hey is impiza on here
[16:23] <b0nghittr> Adobe Flash Media Server installs fine on ubuntu server 10.04.2, but does not start when themachine boots. there is a /etc/init.d/fms script which works, but is not executed during boot
[16:35] <tm0> Hi. I need some help, i want to created a cron or anacron that makes lynx(links or elinks) refresh, does anyone have knowledge in this?
[16:36] <ikonia> tm0: those programs are interactive
[16:36] <ikonia> that would be quite hard to do
[16:36] <b0nghittr> 'update-rc.d fms defaults' just gives me "update-rc.d: warning: fms start runlevel arguments (2 3 4 5) do not match LSB Default-Start values (3 4 5)", "update-rc.d: warning: fms stop runlevel arguments (0 1 6) do not match LSB Default-Stop values (0 1 2 6)", "System start/stop links for /etc/init.d/fms already exist."
[16:37] <tm0> Ikonia couldn't i kill it and restart it to a URL"?
[16:37] <ikonia> tm0: sure, but again, they are not automated style events, they are interactive programs,
[16:38] <ikonia> tm0: there is an interesting argument for elinks -remote
[16:39] <tm0> Pardon ikonia, i don't understand your last statement.
[16:39] <ikonia> tm0: elinks has an option -remote which allows you to send certain commands to remote elinks sessions, that maybe a possibility for you
[16:40] <tm0> Is there a refresh command for Elinks?
[16:40] <ikonia> tm0: check out the option I've just given you
[16:41] <tm0> Alright, thanks Ikonia
[16:57] <b0nghittr> can i install freenx with only xfce, not gnome and all its nonsense?
[16:59] <b0nghittr> and/or once i have installed freenx with all the gnome pkgs it installs has completed, can i remove all the unnecessary gnome pkgs and just keep xfce?
[17:02] <qman__> b0nghittr, try with --no-install-recommends
[17:03] <qman__> also, try installing the desktop of your choice first
[17:04] <b0nghittr> qman__: ty, apt-get install --no-install-recommends xubuntu-desktop, then install freenx?
[17:04] <qman__> I meant the other way around, no recommends on freenx
[17:04] <qman__> plenty of packages depend on 'a webserver' or 'a gui'
[17:05] <qman__> and since apache and gnome gnome are default, it chooses them
[17:05] <b0nghittr> how do i clean an interrupted install? it downloaded a bunch of files and i ctrl+c'd
[17:05] <qman__> apt-get clean
[17:05] <b0nghittr> thanks
[17:14] <b0nghittr> i need to manually run /etc/init.d/fms start after boot, since the script was made for rhel and update-rc.d complains.... which file do i add '/etc/init.d/fms start' to?
[17:14] <qman__> well, as a dirty hack you could add it to rc.local
[17:14] <qman__> but you really should find out why it's not working
[17:15] <qman__> upstart is still sysv-compatible right now
[17:15] <b0nghittr> 'update-rc.d fms defaults' just gives me "update-rc.d: warning: fms start runlevel arguments (2 3 4 5) do not match LSB Default-Start values (3 4 5)", "update-rc.d: warning: fms stop runlevel arguments (0 1 6) do not match LSB Default-Stop values (0 1 2 6)", "System start/stop links for /etc/init.d/fms already exist."
[17:15] <b0nghittr> should i just edit the script to match those runlevels?
[17:16] <b0nghittr> i wasnt sure if thats safe to do
[17:16] <qman__> yeah
[17:16] <qman__> you can always delete them and re-add
[17:17] <qman__> it might be trying to start too soon and failing
[17:19] <b0nghittr> http://173.192.153.144/~bong/fms is the undedited script
[17:20] <qman__> oh, it's opposite of what I thought
[17:20] <qman__> change the script to start on level 2
[17:20] <qman__> that's why it's not starting
[17:21] <b0nghittr> how? lol
[17:21] <qman__> move 2 to the top line
[17:21] <qman__> then update-rc.d
[17:23] <b0nghittr> i don't see where you mean, in the fms script?
[17:23] <qman__> yes
[17:24] <qman__> # Default-Start:     3 4 5
[17:24] <qman__> change to
[17:24] <b0nghittr> those lines are not commented out?
[17:24] <qman__> # Default-Start:     2 3 4 5
[17:24] <b0nghittr> ah, ok
[17:24] <qman__> and respectively remove 2 on the stop line
[17:25] <qman__> then update-rc.d to apply the changes
[17:25] <qman__> IIRC it's a debian thing, unlike redhat, we run at level 2 by default
[17:25] <qman__> and levels 3, 4, and 5 are unused
[17:25] <b0nghittr> awesome, thanks again
[17:33] <RoAkSoAx> fwereade: ping
[17:55] <tiphares> any lightweight alternative for a desktop/gui for my server for use with vnc? or is gnome OK?
[17:55] <tiphares> always used gnome
[17:56] <io> !info xubuntu-desktop
[17:57] <io> tiphares: there's nothing more lightweight than Terminal, though ;-)
[17:57] <tiphares> cool
[17:57] <tiphares> yeah but i need apps that use a gui
[17:58] <tiphares> prefer just a simple shell for most stuff though
[17:58] <io> tiphares: what applications?
[17:58] <tiphares> wine stuff
[17:58] <tiphares> and i prefer using a gui text editor
[18:00] <b0nghittr> tiphares: i'm in the process of setting up FreeNX, which is like VNC but much more lightweight on the bandwidth
[18:00] <b0nghittr> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeNX
[18:01] <b0nghittr> along with XFCE (xubuntu-desktop)
[18:01] <tiphares> yeah i generally don't like vnc, but i'm rather new to nix so don't know bout much else
[18:02] <tiphares> i will check that out b0nghittr thanks :)
[18:03] <b0nghittr> if you decide to use freenx, install the desktop first
[18:03] <io> tiphares: what application is going to be run under Wine?
[18:03] <b0nghittr> or freens will want to install gnome
[18:03] <tiphares> ah i understand
[18:03] <tiphares> will do
[18:03] <tiphares> why is that imporant io
[18:05] <ubuntufreak21> yesss whooo!1
[18:05] <io> it was merely a question, it seems weird that you've moved to Linux but are running GUI applications under Wine on a server. isn't there a native alternative that you can you?
[18:05] <ubuntufreak21> i figured it out
[18:08] <tiphares> this is an external server io
[18:08] <tiphares> i use it for several things
[18:08] <tiphares> some nix, some win
[18:08] <b0nghittr> shes good
[18:09] <b0nghittr> oops wrong window
[18:09] <io> tiphares: I was only asking, chill. it would make your life a lot easier if you used the Linux alternatives to whatever secretive application you're running. I'll be quiet now :-)
[18:10] <tiphares> i'm chill dude, whats up:p?
[18:10] <tiphares> not all application has a linux equivalent :)
[18:12] <b0nghittr> tiphares: unfortunately
[18:17] <tiphares> btw b0nghittr
[18:17] <tiphares> https://bugs.launchpad.net/freenx-server/+bug/589723
[18:17] <tiphares> doesn't look too good
[18:18] <b0nghittr> i just booted xfce from my nx client, i'll try to close it andresume the session
[18:19] <ubuntufreak21> i figured out how to format and mount my usb! yea'ha!
[18:19] <b0nghittr> tiphares: works fine with a fresh install
[18:19] <b0nghittr> on lucid
[18:19] <tiphares> yeah but think the bug only is if you connect from win?
[18:19] <b0nghittr> installing xubuntu-desktop first, then freenx when that has finished
[18:20] <tiphares> Note: Running FreeNX as server on Ubuntu with the free "NX Client for Windows" from NoMachine on a Windows workstation is working fine, except resuming sessions.
[18:20] <b0nghittr> i am connecting from winxp
[18:20] <tiphares> hm
[18:20] <tiphares> yeah alright
[18:20] <tiphares> maybe it's related to gnome
[18:20] <tiphares> either way, i'll give it a try
[18:20] <b0nghittr> cool, it works for me :)
[18:21] <ubuntufreak21> i just figured it out woohaa!
[18:22] <ikonia> ubuntufreak21: you said, please stop
[18:22] <ubuntufreak21> sorry i thought i was blocked again
[18:26] <ubuntufreak21> how come unetbootin isnt working for mint 11
[18:26] <ikonia> ubuntufreak21: please - this is not the support channel for your desktop, or mint
[18:26] <ikonia> ubuntufreak21: this is for ubuntu server OS support
[19:07] <Ozik> hi, I have a problem with bind9, can't start because permission denied to file /etc/bind/named.conf both - file and cat are 744 and chown -R bind:bind
[19:14] <RoyK> Ozik: files should be 644, dir should be 755
[19:14] <ikonia> Ozik: are you sure you're not using chroot
[19:15] <Ozik> I did as some tutorial to make it more secure, yes chroot
[19:15] <Ozik> how to check it?
[19:16] <ikonia> Ozik: ok then the config file won't be in /etc/bind - it will be ing $chroot/etc/bind
[19:17] <Ozik> ikonia: so $chroot/etc/bind chmod ... ?
[19:17] <ikonia> Ozik: no, find where the config file should be, and make sure it's there first
[19:17] <ikonia> Ozik: once you know where it is you can sort the permissions out
[19:17] <Ozik> it is /var/lib/named/etc/bind
[19:18] <ikonia> Ozik: ahh, there we go, so look at the permissions on that file
[19:20] <Ozik> ikonia: nope
[19:22] <ikonia> Ozik: what do you mean nope
[19:22] <Ozik> ikonia: logs saying still perm denied
[19:23] <Ozik> chown -R bind:bind is okay?
[19:26] <RoyK> Ozik: it means you allow the bind user write access to your zone files, so if you want to allow the bind process to modify those files, sure
[19:27] <Ozik> Royk: tut said nogroup
[19:27] <RoyK> Ozik: but when the next buffer overflow comes for bind9, a worm can change your zone to something pointing to a New And Better Spam Site
[19:27] <Ozik> :D
[19:30] <ikonia> Ozik: are you working now
[19:31] <Ozik> ikonia: what do you mean?
[19:31] <ikonia> Ozik: is bind working now ?
[19:32] <Ozik> ikonia: no, can't start due to permission denied to config file
[19:32] <ikonia> Ozik: please show me the output of ls -la on the config file
[19:34] <Ozik> ikonia: -rw-r--r-- 1 bind nogroup 463
[19:34] <ikonia> Ozik: ok, and what is the name of the user your bind process is running as
[19:35] <Ozik> ikonia: I'm fresh in linux, you got me. Two options: root or my 1st acc, no one logged yet
[19:36] <ikonia> ok, I don't think it's either,
[19:36] <ikonia> when bind starts it passes options -u $user - that's the key bit
[19:36] <ikonia> what is that user
[19:37] <ikonia> normally that's held in /etc/sysconfig/bind - but I'm not %100 on the current ubuntu where that's held
[19:37] <ikonia> sorry /etc/sysconfig/named
[19:37] <Ozik> ikonia: I don't know if it;s important but /etc/init.d/bind9 status returns could not access PID file
[19:38] <ikonia> Ozik: I'm sure it will be later, as when bind starts, it writes it's process to a file called a pid file, however as bind's not starting, I don't see that as an issue
[19:42] <Ozik> ikonia: well no sysconfig dir, but /etc/bind, no file named named.conf, named.conf.local named.conf.options and named.conf.default-zones
[19:43] <ikonia> Ozik: well, it shouldn't be reading them, as you've told it to chroot
[19:43] <ikonia> Ozik: grep them for "named -u"
[19:48] <Ozik> ikonia: like grep "named -u" /etc/bind ?
[19:48] <ikonia> Ozik: no, you need to search the files in /etc/bind
[19:49] <ikonia> Ozik: why are you tyring to run a bind server, you seem quite new to Linux
[19:50] <Ozik> ikonia: I believe in that you can gain most knowledge by yourself :) trying to host test server, lamp, ftp dns :)
[19:51] <ikonia> I disagree with that stance and believe you will fall into the trap of running before walking
[19:51] <ikonia> Ozik: good luck
[19:52] <Ozik> ikonia: so I will stand up and go on, I've all learned this way ^^
[19:54] <ikonia> good man
[19:56] <Ozik> ikonia: I know that I don't know ;) also I know that Gate's stuff is a crap as server so it is time to learn linux :)
[19:56] <ikonia> Ozik: well, bashing microsoft just shows utter ignorence
[19:58] <Ozik> ikonia: grep "named -u" here file names, no return
[19:58] <ikonia> Ozik: you're on your own
[19:59] <ikonia> (or if someone else in the channel chooses to help you)
[19:59] <Ozik> ikonia: as a child I used ms-dos a bit 3.11 w95 then w98 Me Xp seen Vista, now I'm trying to be familiar with win7 but I see it isn't reliable OS :)
[20:00] <ikonia> Ozik: then you see wrong
[20:00] <RoyK> Ozik: win7 is probably the best desktop thing that has come out of microsot
[20:00] <Ozik> ikonia: we are always learning :), any hint what for search? what problem does bind have?
[20:00] <ikonia> no
[20:01] <ikonia> I don't wish to progress this any further
[20:01] <phaidros> RoyK: whichdoesnt make it good..necessarily ;)
[20:01] <RoyK> but this is an ubuntu channel.....
[20:01] <phaidros> Ozik: try to read the log files
[20:03] <Ozik> phraidros: nothing interesting just none:0: open /etc/bind/named.conf: permission denied
[20:05] <alex-weeej> my 9.04 server seems to be unable to find any archive files, everything's 404ing. did jaunty server go EOL'd without me knowing? :S
[20:05] <ikonia> alex-weeej: because its EOL
[20:05] <ikonia> alex-weeej: it's only supported for 18months
[20:05] <alex-weeej> i thought desktop was 18 months
[20:05] <ikonia> 9.04 = 04 2009
[20:05] <alex-weeej> sevrer 3 years
[20:06] <alex-weeej> or is that really really old policy that i didn't keep up to date with
[20:06] <ikonia> alex-weeej: no only LTS is different I believe
[20:06] <alex-weeej> ffffuuuuu-
[20:06] <alex-weeej> ok, how do i save my system? :S
[20:06] <ikonia> the other releases are just 18months......
[20:06] <ikonia> upgrade ?
[20:06] <alex-weeej> i can't even install the updater though
[20:06] <ikonia> why not ?
[20:06] <alex-weeej> Failed to fetch http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/u/update-manager/update-manager-core_0.111.7_amd64.deb  404 Not Found [IP: 91.189.88.31 80]
[20:06] <ikonia> look on old-releases.ubuntu.com
[20:07] <ikonia> !upgrade > alex-weeej
[20:07] <alex-weeej> ikonia: can i just change my sources file to point to old-releases instead of us.archive?
[20:07] <alex-weeej> and then upgrade?
[20:07] <Ozik> ikonia: I did some dirs, ln, mknod, remove --purge will help or I need to do something more?
[20:08] <ikonia> Ozik: I'm not interested in progressing it
[20:09] <ikonia> alex-weeej: yes,
[20:09] <ikonia> alex-weeej: that's the bottom line
[20:09] <alex-weeej> ikonia: thanks, i'll give it a go
[20:09] <ikonia> alex-weeej: check the upgrade instructions ubottu just pm'd
[20:10] <alex-weeej> ikonia: i already looked there -- the 9.04 instructions seem to assume the 9.04 archive is still online
[20:10] <ikonia> alex-weeej: well, it is, on old-releases.ubuntu.com
[20:10] <Ozik> ikonia: I just want to revert it, remove all, install bind again and try again
[20:10] <alex-weeej> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EOLUpgrades/Jaunty
[20:11] <ikonia> Ozik: I'm not interested in progressing it
[20:11] <ikonia> alex-weeej: ahh, good find
[20:12] <Ozik> ikonia: progress? no, revert yes :), ok I'm not bothering you any more :)
[20:12] <ikonia> Ozik: ok, thanks
[20:38] <StrangeCharm> i just installed 11.04 server x64 from a usb stick, onto an encrypted lvm, with /home on a raid. on first boot, grub loads fine, but after picking the default image, i just get a blinking cursor. i tried repeating the install, but no change as far as i can tell. what sort of things might be going wrong; where could i look for documentation on this sort of problem?
[21:23] <phaidros> StrangeCharm: is lvm installed in the new system? (i usually install from live cds into lvm and have to install lvm2 via chroot afterwards, or otherwise the new initrd cannot read the logical volumes ..)
[21:30] <StrangeCharm> phaidros, the new system was installed fresh onto disks with no data. the install disk set things up after i decided on the partitions & volumes &c
[21:30] <StrangeCharm> maybe i'm not getting what you're asking?
[22:30] <xperia> hello to all. i have in my server configuration this here http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=t9j64fzz
[22:30] <xperia> and the redirection of the html file to php works great. Only problem is that if a user does come from otherexample.com Website he is still redirected to the php file even he call the html file. This exactlz should not happen for Visitors from this Website. Anybody have a suggestion how to solve this problem ?