[01:22] <_marx_> ping holstein
[01:23] <holstein> _marx_: yo
[01:23] <holstein> im out at the gig right now
[01:23] <holstein> just checking in :)
[01:23] <_marx_> thought you might be
[01:23] <_marx_> ping me in the am
[01:26] <holstein> am?
[01:26] <holstein> like morning?
[01:26] <holstein> i dont do mornings ;)
[01:26] <holstein> i should be on around noon
[01:26] <holstein> maybe a bit earlier
[01:27] <_marx_> yes, i grok that we have different mornings
[01:28] <_marx_> i meant your morning
[01:30] <_marx_> see i'm going to bed in about 20 minutes :)
[01:33]  * _marx_ trying to get used to unity
[01:33] <_marx_> and still just doesn't get it
[02:38] <holstein> _marx_: i got a minute right now
[02:39] <holstein> im using gnome still, and im planning on using XFCE
[02:39] <holstein> thats what ubuntustudio is going to
[02:39] <holstein> unity will get better as soon as customizations kick in
[02:39] <holstein> which'll be soon
[02:40] <holstein> i think the idea of it is great, and im glad ubuntu has its own thing
[02:41] <holstein> im not planning on using it
[02:41] <holstein> i was a little dissapointed when i actually tried unity and gnome3
[02:41] <holstein> i feel like its a bit more of a duplication of effort than is necessary
[02:53]  * BugeyeD updating lapdance to 11.04 now, will see what this unity thing is all about. assuming it will run on my 2005 centrino hardware.
[02:53] <BugeyeD> unity is rock bottom on the one desktop machine i tried it on before; i don't build boxes with nice graphics because i'm accustomed to staring an an xterm.
[02:54] <BugeyeD> every update thus far has broken video for me, so i fully expect more of the same.
[03:03] <holstein> unity is actually pretty light weight
[03:03] <holstein> not like LXDE light... but light-ish
[03:04] <holstein> and theres a 2d version i havent tried yet
[03:04] <BugeyeD> i'm sure the 2d would be required in my case
[03:05] <BugeyeD> gotta go find something else to do ... what few hairs i have left are getting ever more grey watching the upgrade process ...
[03:06] <holstein> yeah... i spent about 24hours waiting one 11.10 to upgrade, and now its not booting ;)
[03:23] <BugeyeD> mine came back. video looks ok so far, so i'm a little shocked.
[03:24] <BugeyeD> 'ubuntu' complains that i don't have hardware for unity, and sends me to 'classic mode' which is just gnome.
[03:24] <BugeyeD> also have 'netbook edition 2d' which appears to be what i was running before - probably something i installed myself and is left over from prior to the upgrade.
[03:24] <holstein> yeah, you need to install unity2d afterwards
[03:33] <BugeyeD> holstein: yup, 'unity-2d' did it. seems to be a decent thing to include by default.
[03:34] <holstein> well, you would think it would default to unity2d instead of gnome
[03:34] <holstein> i think thats the idea going forward
[03:34] <holstein> those are really 2 totally different things though
[03:34] <holstein> i cant imaging them maintaing them both for very long
[03:34] <BugeyeD> yep. thanks for the pointer. probably wouldn't have googled it, would have just gone without. at least now i get to see it.
[03:34] <holstein> i think it'll just be normal unity, and you'll have to tweak if you dont have 3d
[03:35] <holstein> they look and act the same though AFAIK
[04:01] <BugeyeD> where are the prefs? trying to figure out keyboard shortcuts and can't seem to find my own arse ...
[04:02] <holstein> BugeyeD: hang on...
[04:02] <BugeyeD> of course. found it *right* after i asked ...
[04:03] <BugeyeD> it shows up under 'all apps'
[04:03] <holstein> http://www.webupd8.org/2011/04/ubuntu-unity-keyboard-shortcuts.html
[04:03] <holstein> i was using that when i was trying to stay in unity for a bit
[04:03] <BugeyeD> i hope i'm missing something here - that's an unintelligent way to get there
[04:04] <holstein> i just set that as my wallpaper
[04:04] <BugeyeD> heh
[04:11] <BugeyeD> looking a lot like osx
[04:11] <BugeyeD> not a bad thing from a desktop perspective.
[04:19] <BugeyeD> the background image thing is a good idea, but some of the hints don't appear to work for me, such as auto-tiling and such.
[04:19] <holstein> BugeyeD: they could be different from 2d to 3d
[04:20] <holstein> which would be just slackness i think
[19:18] <_marx_> holstein: is it mid-morning yet?
[22:40]  * _marx_ has log files going back to '07