[09:03] <Kilos> morning everyone
[09:03] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee on
[09:03]  * Maaz washes some mugs
[09:04] <Squirm> Maaz: coffee please
[09:04] <Maaz> Squirm: Sure
[09:04] <Squirm> morning
[09:05] <Kilos> hi Squirm 
[09:07] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos and Squirm!
[09:08] <Kilos> Maaz, ty
[09:08] <Maaz> Enjoy Kilos
[09:30] <Squirm> Maaz: thanks
[09:30] <Maaz> Squirm: Okay :-)
[10:00] <kbmonkey> hello there peeps
[10:00] <Kilos> hiya kbmonkey 
[10:00] <kbmonkey> it is going well Kilos? 
[10:00] <Kilos> yes ty and there kbmonkey 
[10:01] <kbmonkey> baie goed thanks!
[10:01] <Kilos> mooi man
[10:02] <kbmonkey> I am trying to get my hp wireless printer to work, but it's a lazy Sunday!
[10:02] <Kilos> lol
[10:03] <kbmonkey> I find Google calculator so useful, what I'd do without it
[13:45]  * nlsthzn waves
[14:09]  * Kilos waves back to nlsthzn 
[14:10] <nlsthzn> Hey uncle Kilos :)
[14:42] <nlsthzn> bai
[15:54] <Kilos> hi Guest36050 
[15:56] <Kilos> hey superfly you ready for another week at the saltmine
[15:56] <superfly> Kilos: not yet, I still want to enjoy my Sunday evening :-P
[15:56] <Kilos> lol
[15:56] <Kilos> go sleep early
[17:15] <inetpro> good evening
[17:16] <inetpro> Maaz: coffee on
[17:16]  * Maaz starts grinding coffee
[17:16] <Kilos> lo inetpro 
[17:16] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee please
[17:16] <Maaz> Kilos: Okay
[17:17] <inetpro> hallo Kilos
[17:20] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for inetpro and Kilos!
[17:20] <inetpro> Maaz: danke
[17:20] <Maaz> Bitteschön
[17:20] <Kilos> Maaz, thanks man
[17:20] <Maaz> Kilos It gives me great pleasure to serve a bunch of geeks :-)
[17:21] <kbmonkey> Maaz, coffee please man
[17:21] <Maaz> kbmonkey: Huh?
[17:21] <inetpro> hmm...
[17:21] <kbmonkey> Maaz, coffee please!
[17:21] <Maaz> kbmonkey: There isn't a pot on
[17:21] <Kilos> lol
[17:21] <kbmonkey> Maaz, coffee on
[17:21]  * Maaz starts grinding coffee
[17:21] <kbmonkey> hello all, I'm in serious need of coffee :)
[17:21] <inetpro> Kilos: should that not be 'man thanks' ? :-)
[17:21] <Kilos> why?
[17:21] <kbmonkey> ha ha yes you're right inetpro 
[17:22] <Kilos> where you went to school
[17:22] <kbmonkey> ever tried to exec 'man woman'? ;p
[17:22] <Kilos> dankie man. must that be man dankie?
[17:22] <Kilos> oh
[17:22] <Kilos> heee hee hee
[17:22] <Kilos> im slow
[17:23] <Kilos> forgot manuals
[17:23] <kbmonkey> man is where the acronym 'rtfm' originated :)
[17:23] <Kilos> this is irc not cli
[17:23]  * inetpro lol
[17:24] <Kilos> lets see what the bot says
[17:24] <Kilos> Maaz, man thanks
[17:24] <Maaz> Kilos: Manpage not found
[17:24] <Kilos> lol
[17:25] <Kilos> Maaz, man irc
[17:25] <Maaz> Kilos: Manpage not found
[17:25] <kbmonkey> the bsdgames package has a app called 'wtf'
[17:25] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for kbmonkey!
[17:25] <kbmonkey> Maaz, you are the best, thanks!
[17:25] <Maaz> kbmonkey: I already know stuff about you
[17:25] <Kilos> hehe
[17:25] <kbmonkey> what stuff? who told you? you're scaring me Maaz 
[17:26] <kbmonkey> there is no place like ~
[17:26] <Kilos> Maaz, define you
[17:26] <Maaz> Kilos: thou \thou\ ([th]ou), pron. [Sing.: nom. {Thou}; poss. {Thy} ([th][imac]) or {Thine} ([th][imac]n); obj. {Thee} ([th][=e]). Pl.: nom. {You} (y[=oo]); poss. {Your} (y[=oo]r) or {Yours} (y[=oo]rz); obj. {You}.] [OE. thou, [thorn]u, AS. [eth][=u], [eth]u; akin to OS. & OFries. thu, G., Dan. & Sw. du, Icel. [thorn][=u], Goth. [thorn]u, Russ. tui, Ir. & Gael. tu, W. ti, L. tu, Gr. sy`, Dor. ty`, Skr. tvam. [root]185. Cf. {Thee}, {Thine}, 
[17:26] <Kilos> sjoe
[17:27]  * kbmonkey *blinks*
[17:34] <kbmonkey> Maaz, define rtfm
[17:34] <Maaz> kbmonkey: RTFM /R?T?F?M/, imp.  [Unix] Abbreviation for ?Read The Fucking Manual?.  1. Used by {guru}s to brush off questions they consider trivial or annoying. Compare {Don't do that then!}.  2. Used when reporting a problem to indicate that you aren't just asking out of {randomness}. ?No, I can't figure out how to interface Unix to my toaster, and yes, I have RTFM.? Unlike sense 1, this use is considered polite. See also {FM}, {RTFAQ}, {R
[17:34] <Kilos> lol
[17:42] <Kilos> does Stevethepirate  ever say anything
[17:42] <Kilos> and Guest36050 
[17:42] <Kilos> or are they pro lurkers
[17:44] <kbmonkey> if they were pro their nicks would be hidden ;)
[17:45] <kbmonkey> you like queen, Kilos ?
[17:45] <Kilos> the group?
[17:45] <Kilos> we are the champions
[17:45] <kbmonkey> Yes, Bohemian Rhapsody
[17:46] <kbmonkey> ever seen that song performed by a dot matrix printer? -- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ht96HJ01SE4
[17:46] <Kilos> um freddie mercury
[17:46] <Kilos> aw i cant go see kbmonkey 
[17:47] <kbmonkey> awe :(
[17:47] <Kilos> lol
[17:47] <Kilos> yeah kinda sucks
[17:48] <Kilos> i hope those free the web guys on facebook get something right one day
[17:48] <Kilos> last i heard they said its a human right to have free internet access
[17:48] <Kilos> maybe i not human
[17:49] <kbmonkey> hey, yes I agree with them! he he
[17:49] <kbmonkey> hear that Telkom, it's our right to free internets!
[17:49]  * kbmonkey hopes a Telkom rep is lurking here
[17:49] <Kilos> lol
[17:50] <Kilos> even that wont work
[17:50] <kbmonkey> Telkom maybe they will pick up the message if we Telkom use their name ranomdly Telkom
[17:50] <Kilos> telkom cables were stolen here months ago and they not replacing
[17:51] <Kilos> they want peeps to use 8ta or satelite but only on contract
[17:51] <Kilos> not pay as you go
[17:51] <Kilos> swines
[17:52] <kbmonkey> and they only upgrade areas to support dsl iff there are enough potential clients - ie only where it benefits them
[17:52] <Kilos> yip
[17:52] <Kilos> die geld god het oor geneem
[17:53] <kbmonkey> if you do that, at least don't be hypocrites in your advertisements about it ;D
[17:53] <Kilos> i wonder if there are telkom peeps here
[17:53] <kbmonkey> llisten to us, we sound like someone else on here who rants about hellkom he he.
[17:53] <Kilos> lol
[18:04] <Kilos> hmm i see i dont have my country in my info
[18:04] <Kilos> dunno how i missed that and dunno how to fix it from xchat
[18:08] <Kilos> you too kbmonkey country unknown
[18:08] <Kilos> we doff
[18:08] <kbmonkey> lol
[18:08] <Kilos> been here 60 years and dunno where i am
[18:08] <kbmonkey> i guess we can ask nickserv
[18:09] <Kilos> when i first came on here i was miles but someone stole my nick before i knew how to register it
[18:10] <kbmonkey> awe :(
[18:10] <Kilos> was actually funny how the guys here helped choose and register kilos
[18:10] <kbmonkey> ah, they registered it over 3 years ago. 
[18:10] <kbmonkey> oh, how so?
[18:11] <Kilos> we couldnt find a good nick
[18:11] <Kilos> then the tannie next door said kilos cause she always mocked i wasnt metricated
[18:12] <Kilos> i was really doff
[18:12] <kbmonkey> ha ha! I like that story
[18:12] <Kilos> the whole nick thing was new to me
[18:12] <Kilos> then the pro i think helped me register it
[18:12] <kbmonkey> I wanted monkey, but there is already one
[18:13] <Kilos> or the fly
[18:13] <Kilos> its as bad as email addresses
[18:13] <Kilos> what a job
[18:14] <Kilos> kbmonkey goes down well
[18:14] <Kilos> fits with you liking cli so much
[18:15] <Kilos> im sure i really frustrated the guys in the beginning
[18:16] <Kilos> they couldnt believe someone thats online can be so doff
[18:16] <Kilos> had to blog to show them why
[18:16] <Kilos> lol
[18:16] <Kilos> memories
[18:17] <Kilos> even had to get help to set up my blog
[18:17] <Kilos> inetpro, onthou jy
[18:18] <kbmonkey> I bet you are not doff Kilos, there's just so much info, its hard for anyone to know where to start!
[18:18] <Kilos> um
[18:19]  * inetpro lol
[18:19] <Kilos> i forget what i learn overnight
[18:19] <Kilos> julle het gesukkel met my nê inetpro 
[18:20] <inetpro> Kilos: nie so baie nie
[18:20] <Kilos> baie
[18:20] <Kilos> ek het myself gevloek partykeer
[18:21] <Kilos> lol
[18:21] <apie> lol
[18:21] <inetpro> Kilos: your intelligence far outweighs your loss of memory
[18:21] <Kilos> nee man
[18:22] <Kilos> stubborness
[18:22] <Kilos> but i have had a great time here
[18:22] <Kilos> and as i say this is my home
[18:22] <apie> no place like /~
[18:22] <Kilos> only vodacom interferes sometimes
[18:23] <apie> do you play games Kilos?
[18:23] <apie> and inetpro too?
[18:24] <Kilos> i have played aoe2 and red alert1
[18:24] <apie> wow that's neat, you can group new nicks with your existing account, so you can just switch between nicks :D
[18:24] <Kilos> tried wine but it crashed my pc
[18:24] <Kilos> so gave up
[18:24]  * inetpro is not a real gamer
[18:25] <inetpro> games waste to much time
[18:25] <apie> my wine audio is buggered so Im not going to bother fixing it. I like puzzle games more than shooters
[18:25] <Kilos> but with data shortages i have become a master at freecell and mahjong
[18:26] <Symmetria> hahahah oh man... 
[18:26] <Symmetria> some of the people on irc are so stupid
[18:26] <apie> good card games those
[18:26] <Kilos> what now Symmetria 
[18:26] <Symmetria> [20:16] <wizzr> julie101010: i got a shell on the machine o_O
[18:26] <Symmetria> [20:16] <wizzr> that didn't take long
[18:26] <Symmetria> [20:24] <\DSAFEW\> tony23, limiting access in the system, like with http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Security-Enhanced_Linux#Implementations
[18:26] <Symmetria> [20:25] <tony23> i'm on windows. FML
[18:26] <apie> hope Symmetria isn't talking of us :/ eeek
[18:26] <Symmetria> :P one guy claiming to have hacked some other guys machine and got a shell on it
[18:26] <Symmetria> and then the other guy goes "I'm on windows"
[18:27] <inetpro> apie: my kids enjoy supertuxkart
[18:27] <Symmetria> LOL now, the guy who claimed to have haxed it and got a shell, must feel like a real tosser 
[18:28] <Kilos> hehe @ apie 
[18:28] <Kilos> we safe
[18:28] <inetpro> apie: oh and supertux is also a lot of fun
[18:28] <Symmetria> lol I wasnt referring to anyone in here :P
[18:28] <Kilos> lol
[18:28] <apie> we know Symmetria, just pulling your leg ;)
[18:29] <apie> that's why I like reading bash.org -- some realy stupid comments there
[18:29] <Symmetria> oh wow, my sourceforge mirror copy from one array to another finally finished
[18:29] <Symmetria> it only took 3.5 days 
[18:29] <apie> you mirrored sourceforge locally?
[18:29] <Kilos> lol
[18:29] <Symmetria> apie heh, ummm ages ago
[18:29] <Symmetria> this time I was just copying it to another array to move stuff around on mirror.ac.za 
[18:30] <Symmetria> apie, go download vlc and you'll see, it comes off a .za mirror :P
[18:30] <apie> +100 internets to you!
[18:30] <Symmetria> infact, download anything from sourceforge and you'll see it comes from tenet
[18:30] <Symmetria> total size is 13066049750622
[18:30] <inetpro> apie: I liked your old nick more 
[18:30] <Symmetria> heh
[18:30] <Symmetria> damn its 2 bloody big
[18:31] <Symmetria> heh 12186 gigs worth of sourceforge
[18:31] <apie> hey it is too Symmetria, nice!
[18:31] <inetpro> Symmetria: that's only like 12 TB
[18:31] <apie> a nice red logo
[18:31] <drubin> Symmetria: Wait till you start mirroring fb images.
[18:32] <Kilos> hiya drubin howzit
[18:32] <inetpro> drubin: wb
[18:32] <drubin> thanks and I am good. en jy oom Kilos ?
[18:32] <Kilos> goed dankie drubin 
[18:35] <apie> hi there drubin 
[18:36] <Kilos> apie when you found where to do the nick thing is there a place you can add your country
[18:36] <apie> talk about bad judgement Symmetria http://bash.org/?16
[18:37] <apie> no Kilos, I tried to set a meta property but it doesnt seem to work
[18:37] <Kilos> maybe inetpro knows
[18:37] <Kilos> oh
[18:37] <Kilos> hes a quassel guy
[18:38] <Symmetria> LOL apie
[18:38] <inetpro> hmm.... what are you guys trying?
[18:38] <Kilos> i think you can only do that when you register at irc or freenode
[18:38] <Kilos> to add your country to your info
[18:38] <Kilos> you also dont know where you are
[18:40] <inetpro> apie: am I missing something here? What's the country thing you want to add?
[18:41] <Kilos> um
[18:41] <Kilos> if you look at someones nick it gives his/her name and country etc
[18:41] <apie> I think Kilos means in xchat your rmb a user name and the country shows as unknown
[18:42] <Kilos> rmb?
[18:42] <apie> but I suspect this country is detected by your IP - which should indicate ZA 
[18:42] <inetpro> Kilos: I gues you're talking about ghosting
[18:42] <inetpro> guess*
[18:42] <apie> rmb: right mouse button
[18:42] <Kilos> no man
[18:42] <apie> no not ghosting
[18:43] <Kilos> i see your name and quassel@unafiliated by you but unknown by country
[18:43] <apie> Kilos, I think that's just xchat.
[18:43] <Kilos> quassel@unaffiliated/hibana
[18:44] <apie> ah, maybe inetpro can help explain why he is unaffiliated, while some of us have IP addresses?
[18:44] <Kilos> like Squirm shows south africa
[18:45] <inetpro> hmm... I guess squirm comes from a registered IP
[18:45] <Kilos> maybe
[18:45] <Kilos> no serious i spose
[18:45] <apie> ah, inetpro probably has a hostname cloak enabled
[18:46] <inetpro> ahh sorry, that is what I meant
[18:46] <inetpro> Kilos: you see, even my memory is worse than yours
[18:46] <Kilos> lol
[18:47] <Kilos> say what you mean dont mean what you say
[18:47] <Kilos> hehe
[18:47] <inetpro> apie: http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#cloaks
[18:47] <apie> Kilos, http://forum.xchat.org/viewtopic.php?t=800
[18:48] <apie> dankie inetpro :)
[18:51] <inetpro> apie: see also http://blog.freenode.net/2009/01/the-beauty-of-freenode/
[18:51] <Symmetria> heh
[18:51] <Symmetria> hostname cloaking/masking/spoofing is not something I'm a fan of
[18:52] <inetpro> Symmetria: why?
[18:52] <Symmetria> its something we've resisted implementing on efnet for yearssss
[18:52] <Symmetria> inetpro because heh, it leaves the servers getting attacked
[18:52] <Symmetria> rather than the users who piss people off :P
[18:52] <Symmetria> the moment you cloak the hostnames, you remove the need for the user to have some responsibility and not irritate people
[18:53] <Symmetria> and then when the kiddies dont like the user, they attack the server he's on instead
[18:53] <inetpro> cloaks do not provide an absolute guarantee that your hostname will hidden
[18:53] <apie> no it doesnt inetpro
[18:53] <Symmetria> heh, yes, but it gives the kiddies just one more excuse to hit the servers, trust me, we've seen it time and again on efnet, the servers that DO spoof the names of some of their users are ALWAYS the ones to get hit first
[18:54] <Symmetria> :) but like I said, thats just an irc admin perspective, I understand the user perspective as well
[18:55] <apie> considering so many people record chat logs, with your IP, and others use web clients, maybe on win machines, there so much exposure involved.
[18:57] <Symmetria> heh there is no such thing as being truely anonymous on the internet 
[18:57] <Symmetria> hell, most people dont realize that the dsl providers even log your CLI when you connect 
[18:57] <Symmetria> its a standard radius line 
[18:58] <Tonberry> cli?
[18:59] <Tonberry> caller line id?
[18:59] <Tonberry> or command line interface?
[18:59] <apie> and most people dont realize that email is like postcards - anyone with access to the deliver van (and some who dont!) can read them
[19:00] <drubin> apie: Lies I have a password on my gmail account.
[19:00] <Symmetria> Tonberry caller line id
[19:01] <Symmetria> the moment you auth a dsl, the phone number is logged 
[19:01] <Tonberry> well gmail with https should be slightly harder to intercept
[19:01] <Tonberry> makes sense
[19:02] <drubin> Tonberry: No. it isn't.
[19:02] <apie> true Tonberry, but remember your email bounces between various server on its trip, and each node presents it's own problem.
[19:02] <Tonberry> agreed
[19:02] <Tonberry> any part that still uses traditional smtp is easy to intercept
[19:03] <apie> imap for the win :)
[19:03] <Tonberry> is imap used between mailservers?
[19:03] <apie> I was telling Kilos the other day, we need to start a pgp movement for email
[19:04] <Kilos> lol
[19:04] <Tonberry> or just give up on email
[19:04] <Kilos> that thing is still driving me nuts
[19:04] <apie> but then our heads spun from all the tech jargon ;P
[19:04] <apie> I think everyone should make some test, temporary keys and get to send another data to see how it works
[19:05] <apie> test data ofc
[19:06] <Tonberry> i think the security of pgp is not in question
[19:06] <apie> using my IP I see on freenode I can nmap my line and see there are open ports. I wonder what they are for...
[19:06] <Kilos> its just very hard to setup Tonberry 
[19:06] <Tonberry> what ports?
[19:07] <apie> 1,2,6,17,132
[19:07] <Tonberry> wow
[19:07] <Tonberry> never seen any of those used
[19:07] <apie> says there more, it only shows the interesting ones
[19:09] <apie> interesting. port 17 is a Quote of the day port.
[19:10] <apie> Maaz, define QOTD
[19:10] <Maaz> apie: I don't know about QOTD. Maybe you meant eotd?
[19:11] <Kilos> Maaz, google QOTD
[19:11] <Maaz> Kilos: "Quotes of the Day - qotd.org" http://www.qotd.org/ :: "Quotes of the Day - The Quotations Page" http://www.quotationspage.com/qotd.html :: "QOTD - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QOTD :: "Queen of the Damned (film) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Queen_of_the_Damned_(film) :: "QOTD - John Paczkowski - Social - AllThingsD" http://allthingsd.com/20100903/qotd-334/ :: "QOT
[19:15] <apie> should we see what is open on your line Kilos? this is intriguing.
[19:15] <Kilos> explain please
[19:15] <Kilos> but go for it
[19:16] <Kilos> push me through a port at voda that doesnt use my data
[19:16] <Kilos> then i be very happy
[19:17] <nuvolari> ol oom Kilos 
[19:17] <nuvolari> naand apie
[19:17] <Kilos> lo nuvolari 
[19:17] <nuvolari> *lo oom Kilos 
[19:17] <nuvolari> ek meen :P
[19:17] <Kilos> lol
[19:17] <Kilos> is jy nog oppie foon
[19:18] <nuvolari> ja nee oom
[19:18] <nuvolari> moet dalk nou try
[19:18] <nuvolari> die service was nou nou af
[19:18] <Kilos> eish
[19:18] <nuvolari> dalk het hulle iets gedoen
[19:19] <nuvolari> of nie
[19:19] <nuvolari> >:((((((
[19:19] <nuvolari> argh!
[19:20] <Kilos> uh oh
[19:20] <Kilos> apie died
[19:21] <Kilos> apie, wb
[19:21] <apie> ty
[19:21] <Kilos> what did you mean apie 
[19:21] <Kilos> should we see what is open on your line Kilos? this is intriguing.
[19:21] <apie> so I installed gufw (firewall) and now nmap shows all 1000 ports as closed.
[19:22] <Kilos> oh i have gufw as well
[19:22] <Kilos> must i turn it off
[19:26] <Kilos> lol
[19:28] <inetpro> hmm... he isolated himself from the world?
[19:28] <Kilos> lol
[19:28] <Kilos> wb apie 
[19:29] <Kilos> you gonna crash you system now now
[19:30] <apie> crash? nee oom, die is Linux ;)
[19:30] <Kilos> sjoe
[19:30] <apie> been having some line issues lately though
[19:32] <nuvolari> bleh
[19:32] <nuvolari> telkom apie ?
[19:33] <nuvolari> ek is seker vodacom en telkom is kop in een mus
[19:34] <Kilos> lol
[19:35] <apie> Im on Afrihost dsl but telkom line -- so spot on 
[19:35] <apie> Telkom so sneaky - I told my dad all bout which dsl package he can look at - 
[19:36] <apie> and telkom sneakily got him signed up to one of their contracts. eish.
[19:36] <Kilos> they are all skelm
[19:36] <Kilos> i complained about a weak connection. gave them voda tower address and mine
[19:37] <Kilos> they say they upgrading and gave address of new tower
[19:37] <Kilos> its 5 ks further inna straight line from here
[19:38] <Kilos> and no matter how many times i say this one was working fine it makes no diffs
[19:38] <Kilos> they think everyone is office jacks
[19:40] <Kilos> bullshit baffles brains kinda attitude
[19:52] <nuvolari> haai sies oom
[19:52]  * nuvolari gets the soap
[19:52] <Kilos> wat
[19:52] <Kilos> lol
[19:53] <Kilos> hee hee
[19:53]  * nuvolari wash out the oom's mouth
[19:53] <Kilos> daar is nie n mooi manier om dit te sê nie
[19:54]  * nuvolari is geneig om saam te stem
[19:54] <apie> ha ha nuvolari i know what that tastes like!!!
[19:54] <nuvolari> lol apie 
[19:54]  * apie yuck
[19:54] <nuvolari> for real?
[19:54]  * nuvolari never got pepper/soap/kasterolie/other stuff in his mouth
[19:54] <apie> ja my ma het nie k** gevat toe ge stoutgat was -- en dit was gereeld nogal
[19:55] <Kilos> lol
[19:56] <nuvolari> bwahaha
[20:04] <Kilos> methinks bed time for toppies
[20:04] <Kilos> sleep tight and warm all of you
[20:05] <Kilos> see ya morrow