[02:43] <anadon> hey, where are the moderators for #ubuntu?  There's a troll mucking the whole channel up.
[02:44] <rww> anadon: in #ubuntu-ops, but I'm one anyway and paying attention
[02:44] <anadon> kk
[07:38] <genjix> hey how can i get oneiric?
[07:38] <genjix> i want to install it on a new system
[07:38] <genjix> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/oneiric/alpha-2/
[07:39] <genjix> that right?
[07:39] <paGos> genjix, just download it.
[07:39] <genjix> i use that link, right?
[07:39] <paGos> genjix, put it on a usb, boot the pc, read instructions, voila.
[07:39] <paGos> genjix, yes, that's the link.
[07:39] <genjix> thanks
[07:44] <floam> are there netinstall/minimal install CDs for oneric?
[07:46] <floam> (or, would it just be a matter of using an older one and playing with apt sources?)
[07:47] <rww> I think if you take the URL for the older ones and make the relevant substitution from natty to oneiric or whatever, that might work
[09:43] <pfarrell> hi! I am trying to set up oneiric in a deboostrap chroot (a package I maintain is breaking on oneiric). When I run debootstrap, I get: W: Failure trying to run: chroot /data/pfarrell/oneiric dpkg --force-depends --install /var/cache/apt/archives/libc6_2.13-9ubuntu2_amd64.deb . What can I do? Is this a bug in oneiric?
[10:01] <dupondje> pfarrell: its a bug indeed
[10:02] <dupondje> pfarrell: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/debootstrap/+bug/802985
[10:11] <pfarrell> dupondje: that isn't the error message I'm getting. I'm trying to create an oneiric system on maverick/natty, and I get a different error
[10:11] <pfarrell> and unfortunately installing alpha-2 in a virtualbox crashes :-
[10:27] <Daviey> anyone else having a really bad time with tbird atm?
[10:29] <yofel> pfarrell: known issue, though I don't remember the bug #. Create a natty chroot and dist-upgrade
[10:29] <pfarrell> yofel: good idea.
[10:41] <pfarrell> in a debootstrap, how do I install the relevant file for my locale (en_GB.UTF-8) ?
[12:47] <BluesKaj> Hiyas
[13:21] <BluesKaj> has the repos regressed the kernel back to 3.0.0 ?...I see it has replaced 3.0.4 in the recent upgrade
[13:27] <robin0800> BluesKaj, 303 was in alpha2 if thats what you mean
[13:35] <BluesKaj> yeah I meant 3.0.3 , robin0800
[13:36] <BluesKaj> lost in dependency hell on my other box ...it's the experimental one ...guess I should have waited :P
[13:41] <yofel> BluesKaj: it's 3.0-3 -> 3.0.0-4
[13:42] <yofel> no idea why they added the subversion again
[13:45] <utusan> where does it looks in for the apps?  IIRC it should be in /usr/bin?  I added one there but it doesn't show up
[13:45] <Daekdroom> Yeah, given that 3rd number is now for the bugfix releases, and Ubuntu has omitted it in the past.
[13:45] <tsimpson> utusan: "it" looks in your $PATH
[13:46] <tsimpson> the changelog entry for adding the third digit: "Adopt a 3 digit verion, e.g., 3.0.0-x.x"
[13:46] <utusan> tsimpson, of course and /usr/bin is there but why doesn't show up?
[13:46] <tsimpson> very descriptive
[13:46] <tsimpson> utusan: "show up" where?
[13:46] <utusan> in applications
[13:46] <utusan> gnome shell
[13:46] <tsimpson> because you need a .desktop file for that
[13:47] <utusan> oh ..ok..is there a template I can use?
[13:48] <tsimpson> look in /usr/share/apps, lots in there
[13:48] <jibel> yofel, that was announced at the release meeting last friday
 oneiric-alpha-2 shipped with the 3.0-3.4 kernel whch was based on the mainline 3.0-rc5 release.  We are shortly going to upload a 3.0-rc6 kernel.  We are expecting the 3.0 final release shortly which represents our target kernel for oneiric.  We are still seeing a trickle of issues with the 3.0 version number and it is likely Linus will release this kernel as 3.0.0 to avoid these userspace issues, we
  will likely renumber our kernel also to match this and simplify backports to lucid.
[13:48] <tsimpson> or /usr/share/applications
[13:49] <utusan> tsimpson, ok.. thanks
[13:49] <yofel> thanks
[14:13] <airon90> Hi, do someone know how to set default app without using buggy gnome-control-center?
[14:46] <rrva> hi.. I just upgraded from natty to oneiric and all my X input devices (mouse,keyboard) are suddenly silent. Xorg.log just mentions that udev manages them but no errors.. how to troubleshoot?
[14:51] <rrva> #807306
[14:52] <rrva> udev seems broken
[14:57] <rrva> how do I manually force xorg to not use udev input devices but rather bypass that layer on ubuntu?
[15:28] <jakubo> hi, i got problems with pulseaudio. every now and then it stops working causing the system shutdown to halt. and now i got only approx. half the volume possible.
[15:28] <jakubo> i got a c-media-"something" chip. where alsamixer doesnt work
[15:29] <jakubo> the volume problem occurred when i changed the output from analog speakers to analog output and back
[15:30] <jakubo> also i need to reset the volume on every startup
[15:34] <BluesKaj> alsamixer works better in most cases without pulseaudio. Pulseaudio is meant for fancier pci soundcards that have alot of options
[15:35] <Dimmuxx> any eta on when indicator-network will be installable again?
[15:36] <jakubo> the soundcard seems pretty fancy, but maybe the driver is not quite as feature rich...
[15:36] <BluesKaj> once you set alsmixer up without pulseaudio in the way , it will usually hold the vol and other settings
[15:37] <jakubo> it says it doesnt find any mixer device
[15:37] <BluesKaj> jakubo, if you decide to keep pulseaudio , then install pavucontrol . it's agui for controlling pulseaudio settings
[15:38] <jakubo> is pulseaudio so immature?
[15:38] <BluesKaj> jakubo, type alsamixer in the terminal
[15:39] <jakubo> after the installation of pavumixer?
[15:41] <BluesKaj> jakubo, alsamixer and pulsaudio are separate ...pa needs alsa because it's the driver for your soundcard , but alsa doesn't need pa...it's just a layered sound server that runs on top of alsa
[15:43] <BluesKaj> fancy soundcard =pci card , IMO
[15:43] <jakubo> there is no alsamixer for my device
[15:44] <BluesKaj> jakubo, then install alsa-base and alsa-utils
[15:44] <jakubo> C-Media CM6501 is my chip, a-base and -utils still are installed
[15:45] <coz_>  good day all
[15:48] <h00k> So, is dist-upgrade recommended or not when running Oneric?
[15:48] <charlie-tca> I use it all the time
[15:49] <charlie-tca> especially as update-manager has been failing for a few days
[15:49] <BluesKaj> jakubo, alsamixer. in the terinal doesn't bring it up ?
[15:49] <h00k> Because, if I understand it, it will install new packages if an update requires that new package, yes?
[15:49] <charlie-tca> there was a kernel update today, that you can't get with upgrade
[15:49] <jakubo> jup
[15:49] <charlie-tca> hooyup
[15:49] <charlie-tca> h00k: yes
[15:50] <charlie-tca> it will also things like the new kernel, that upgrade and safe-upgrade don't do.
[15:50] <charlie-tca> s/also things/also install things
[15:50] <dholbach> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDeveloperWeek Day 1 to kick off in 10 minutes in #ubuntu-classroom
[15:50] <Pici> And remove things!
[15:51] <Pici> !dist-upgrade
[15:51] <h00k> Perfect, that's what I just wanted to verify
[15:52] <charlie-tca> it always tells me to run auto-remove or something
[15:53] <jakubo> which worked fine for me when upgrading is to see what i being removed and if its being reinstalled in any way, then you can be pretty safe to have a working system after reboot
[15:54] <BluesKaj> well, it was  apt-get upgrade that put me into dependnency hell a couple of days ago ...and none of my bag of fixes would work , so I reinstalled 11.04....gonna wait til the dust clears
[15:56] <coz_> :)
[15:57] <Deithrian> omg guys what's going on o-o
[15:57] <jakubo> back to my sound issue, could it be i need to insall the oss modules?
[15:58] <Deithrian> just decided to try the alpha 2 and i can't even start the Update manager after the laterst updates
[15:58] <BluesKaj> no biggie ... I've learned to make a separate /home partition for my linux machines
[15:59] <BluesKaj> is wiser than the easy way
[15:59] <Deithrian> this must be the most unstable alpha yet :)
[16:00] <BluesKaj> jakubo, sudo apt-get install --reinstall alsa-base , then the same for alsa-utils
[16:01] <BluesKaj> Deithrian, I'm inclined to agree
[16:02] <Deithrian> How am i supposed to update if the Update manager crashes?!
[16:02] <BluesKaj> use apt-get
[16:03] <Deithrian> Also there's a weird can't write to /udev or something error at boot and it falls back to /.udev ?!
[16:03] <jakubo> jup for me too
[16:04] <BluesKaj> that udev thing is a common occurrence , but iut doesn't seem affect much
[16:04] <trism> Deithrian: that's not a big deal, it is part of the /run transition, shouldn't happen for much longer now that we actually have /run
[16:04] <BluesKaj> to
[16:05] <jakubo> BluesKay: no hange for me after reinstall
[16:05] <jakubo> change*
[16:05] <Deithrian> o-o what about the constant crashes :|
[16:05] <charlie-tca> it's alpha
[16:06] <Deithrian> never used an alpha like this one before o-o
[16:06] <Deithrian> did they change the world or something?
[16:06] <charlie-tca> No, it is doing what it expected in a development release
[16:06] <BluesKaj> jakubo, that's strange ...I have a c-media chip on my other pc ... didn't encounter that on 11.10.I've since reverted to 11.04
[16:07] <charlie-tca> If the development release works perfect, why bother testing it?
[16:07] <jakubo> i have had the issue ever since ... i think 9.10
[16:07] <Deithrian> ah come on :) when was the last time Update Manager didn't work in Alpha for you?!
[16:08] <BluesKaj> jakubo, hmm, then I think your c-media card might be kaput
[16:08] <Deithrian> BluesKaj, am i supposed to use apt-get update or something? o-o
[16:08] <Pici> I usually don't use Update Manager itself
[16:09] <BluesKaj> Deithrian, yes
[16:09] <charlie-tca> I use update manager every week or two to see if it works
[16:09] <jakubo> the 6501 chipset seems not to be liked by linux or vice versa
[16:09] <Deithrian> BluesKaj, that's all? o-o
[16:09] <BluesKaj> Deithrian, and upgrade as well
[16:10] <Pici> *dist-upgrade
[16:10] <Deithrian> nvm ill just use synaptic ._.
[16:11] <BluesKaj> Pici, really ?  maybe that should be noted in the motd
[17:01] <rrva> oneiric disables gnome-shell. How get it back as default (currently running with unity)
[17:12] <WelshDragon> Just installed updates and rebooted. When lightdm starts up my mouse and keyboard stop working. I can't even ctrl+alt+f1 to switch vt. Is it a known problem?
[17:12] <bjsnider> i believe so, yes
[17:13] <WelshDragon> Any workaround?
[17:14] <bjsnider> i'll try to get you the bug number so you can look
[17:14] <Daekdroom> WelshDragon, try reconnecting your peripherals
[17:15] <Daekdroom> I've read someone had to do that everytime he logged in.
[17:15] <bjsnider> that wouldn't work unless they were usb
[17:15] <bjsnider> ps/2 isn't hot swappable
[17:15] <Daekdroom> Oh.
[17:16] <WelshDragon> They are a USB
[17:16] <WelshDragon> I'll get off the livecd and give it a try
[17:16] <WelshDragon> thanks Daekdroom
[17:16] <WelshDragon> brb
[17:19] <WelshDragon> That worked Daekdroom, ty :)
[17:20] <Daekdroom> Well, it'd be good if there was a real fix, I suppose, but it should do.
[17:20] <jamesbond2> Hi
[17:20] <jamesbond2> I have issue with php / imap.so
[17:21] <jamesbond2> http://pastebin.com/Krr4UJzW
[17:22] <bjsnider> bug 807306
[17:22] <bjsnider> that's the keyboard & mouse thing
[17:24] <jamesbond2> is this know issue?
[17:25] <jamesbond2> known*
[17:33] <jamesbond2> anyone?
[17:34] <Pici> jamesbond2: I suppose you can take our silence as us not knowing about it.  I suggest looking for and/or logging a bug on launchpad for your issue.
[17:34] <jamesbond2> ok
[17:53] <carl0s-> I just apt-get dist-upgrade'd, and now my keyboard and mouse (thinkpad ultranav) are non-functioning in X. Basically I have to power off at the login screen. I'm in recovery mode right now. Any ideas for what to look at?
[17:54] <Pici> carl0s-: Its a known issue. See bug 807306
[17:54] <Pici> Anyone know if the KDE 4.7 packages dropped into the repos? I'd like to get that out of the topic and add this new X issue.
[17:55] <carl0s-> Pici: thanks. I guess I just need to keep checking for new updates n stuff then.. :)
[17:56] <OneiricOne> Did and update and rebooted as required, now I am unable to use mouse or keyboard. How do I fix this?
[17:56] <Pici> OneiricOne: known issue See bug 807306
[17:57] <Pici> arg
[17:57] <IdleOne> thanks Pici
[17:58] <Pici> IdleOne: Can you check if the KDE 4.7 packages landed?
[17:58] <BluesKaj> Pici, kde 4.7 is in the repos but it's still breaking things
[17:58] <Pici> IdleOne: nvm
[17:58] <Pici> BluesKaj: thanks
[17:58] <IdleOne> yeah I am running kubuntu
[17:59] <IdleOne> so unplug and replug...so simple I would have never thought about it
[17:59]  * IdleOne gives it a shot
[17:59] <Pici> Good enough
[18:00] <BluesKaj> kpassword is also broken
[18:00] <Pici> (now I get to say 'see topic' instead of 'known issue see bug #whatever')
[18:01] <BluesKaj> amongst many others, so don't reboot
[18:02] <IdleOne> well that fixed the mouse nbut keyboard is still not working :/
[18:08] <IdleOne> I can get the mouse working and then select to login into console mode. keyboard works fine there
[18:11] <gpc> ok so console works
[18:27] <IdleOne> so how do I get the system to see my ps/2 mouse ?
[18:27] <IdleOne> err keyboard not mouse
[18:28] <IdleOne> keyboard works in console, so the drivers are being loaded/usede right? how to keep them in use when starting X
[18:29] <IdleOne> used*
[18:31] <IdleOne> tried https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/udev/+bug/807306/comments/20 stil no love
[18:31] <IdleOne> still*
[18:36] <jamesbond2> we must wait for the fix
[18:38] <IdleOne> in the mean time I am sol :(
[18:39] <Pici> You're the sun?
[18:39] <IdleOne> Pici, shinning brightly upon your face
[18:39] <charlie-tca> I am staying inside for a while, it is too hot in the shade, even
[18:39] <IdleOne> basque in the glory of my light
[18:42] <BluesKaj> maybe the basques will object , IdleOne
[18:42] <htorque_> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/udev/+bug/807306/comments/20 works fine here
[18:43] <IdleOne> htorque_, can you paste you xorg so I can see exactly what you did?
[18:43] <IdleOne> to a pastebin of course
[18:44] <htorque_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/642090/
[18:44] <htorque_> + installed xserver-xorg-input-kbd
[18:44] <IdleOne> yup that is what I did also
[19:14] <Daekdroom> Why don't I have the default Unity lenses anymore?
[19:14] <Daekdroom> Oh. All it took was a Unity restart
[19:17] <IdleOne> I hate to say this but I need to reinstall 11.04 so I can have a working desktop. can't wait for a fix to that bug 807306
[19:18] <jamesbond2> I have workaround
[19:19] <jamesbond2> run this in console and keyboard/mouse will work
[19:19] <jamesbond2> udevadm trigger --subsystem-match=input --action=change
[19:19] <IdleOne> hmm ok I'll give that a shot before reinstalling
[19:24] <IdleOne> wth now my keyboard isn't working when I boot from usb
[19:29] <jamesbond2> idelOne: is it working for you?
[19:32] <genjix> how can i upgrade natty to oneiric?
[19:32] <genjix> just s/natty/oneiric/ in sources.list?
[19:32] <jamesbond2> do-release-upgrade -d
[19:32] <jamesbond2> but there is high bug in oneiric
[19:51] <Daekdroom> The keyboard & mouse issue caught me, and now I don't have 3d accel either. Should have seen it coming.
[19:52] <Daekdroom> Unity-2D looks kinda cool, tho
[20:00] <htorque_> Daekdroom: sudo mv /run/udev /run/udev.old - should fix both
[20:01] <Daekdroom> That seems dangerous.
[20:01] <Daekdroom> I'll try to dig the rotten package first anyway.
[20:01] <htorque_> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/udev/+bug/807306
[20:02] <Daekdroom> I know it's that bug.
[20:02] <htorque_> if mdeslaur does it, i'm convinced it's ok to do that moving :)
[20:02] <htorque_> i have working keyboard, mouse and 3d accel again
[20:03] <Daekdroom> It was the update to udev 172-0ubuntu1 I had earlier today, apparently.
[20:04] <Daekdroom> Brb.
[20:47] <carl0s-> anybody have a workaround for this dead keyboard/mouse business??
[20:50] <ior3k> yay, I'm not alone
[20:51] <cwillu_at_work> carl0s-,  sudo mv /run/udev /run/udev.old
[20:51] <cwillu_at_work> if I interpreted the above comment correctly
[20:51] <cwillu_at_work> that was posted as a workaround to the bug report I believe
[20:51] <carl0s-> cwillu_at_work: i'll give that a go. brb! thanks :)
[20:51] <cwillu_at_work> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/udev/+bug/807306
[20:52] <ior3k> oh
[20:52] <ior3k> it happens itermitently for me
[20:53] <ior3k> yeah, doesn't seem to be the same thing
[20:53] <carl0s-> cwillu_at_work, it worked - thanks!
[20:54] <cwillu_at_work> ior3k, presumably you've filed a bug report? :p
[20:54] <cwillu_at_work> (because why else would you run an alpha?)
[20:55] <ior3k> cwillu_at_work: because I'm crazy
[20:55] <ior3k> but anyway, I can't reproduce the problem
[20:55] <cwillu_at_work> ior3k, why aren't you in #btrfs then, if you're so crazy?
[20:55] <ior3k> eh?
[20:55] <ior3k> what's that?
[20:55] <cwillu_at_work> the new experimental filesystem that all the crazy kids run
[20:56] <ior3k> well, I'm not that crazy ;)
[20:56] <cwillu_at_work> then file a damn bug report :p
[20:56] <ior3k> cwillu_at_work: but I can't reproduce the problem, the bug will be closed as incomplete
[20:57] <ior3k> besides my configuration is a bit weird... xmonad + xcompmgr + unity2d
[20:57] <cwillu_at_work> all the more reason to report
[20:57] <ior3k> if I can reproduce this consistently I'll file a bug
[20:57] <cwillu_at_work> the non-standard configs haven't gotten nearly enough love in the last two releases
[20:57] <ior3k> it's not that I don't want to file bugs, I have done so
[20:58] <cwillu_at_work> even if it's marked incomplete, it can be found by others with the same potential problem
[20:58] <ior3k> well, alright
[21:45] <Daekdroom> I'm wondering.. https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-o-gtk3-gnome3 doesn't say whether gtk2 will be shipped in the CD or not..
[22:44] <micahg> Daekdroom: it will be most likely for firefox (at least for oneiric), but most other stuff will be ported
[22:45] <Daekdroom> Hm.
[22:52] <cwillu_at_work> Daekdroom, I suggest xubuntu or kde if you're looking for a conventional desktop :p
[22:53] <Daekdroom> Aww. I'm so used to Unity.
[22:54] <Daekdroom> And the few attempts I had with kubuntu-desktop package weren't so good. Maybe the whole thing would go better if I didn't have the two environments' tools and programs cluttering the desktop, tho.
[23:10] <h00k> I don't know if I have compositing actually running over here on my Sandy Bridge.
[23:12] <Daekdroom> h00k, can it run Unity (non 2D)?
[23:12] <h00k> Daekdroom: I'm not sure if I'm on Unity 2d or regular Unity :)
[23:13] <charlie-tca> Are the bottom two launchers light grey or dark gray?
[23:13] <h00k> the're gray, light gray
[23:13] <charlie-tca> default = light gray for 2d, dark gray for 3d
[23:14]  * charlie-tca doesn't really know any way to find out, either
[23:14] <h00k> yeah, okay, then I'm on Unity 2d.
[23:14] <Daekdroom> charlie-tca, really? I know plenty of differences.
[23:14] <Daekdroom> like the icon backgrounds in 2D are all light grey, and they're colored in 3D
[23:14] <Daekdroom> Dash has a frame around the icons in 2D. 3D doesn't.
[23:15]  * charlie-tca is learning
[23:15] <h00k> Check it - transparency on gnome-terminal isn't real, either, it shows the wallpapaer instead of the window behind it: http://i.imgur.com/bfrX4.jpg
[23:15] <Daekdroom> Personally, I think they're so different that I can't use 2D without getting slightly annoyed.
[23:16] <charlie-tca> I thought I was doing good just remembering the part about the bottom two launchers :(
[23:16] <h00k> I had the nice '3d' unity on Natty, before the upgrade.
[23:16] <Daekdroom> Oh, and I think Unity-2D doesn't have appmenu support, but maybe that's specific to here.
[23:16] <charlie-tca> I don't really use it enough, I guess
[23:17] <Daekdroom> I've used it once, today, when the udev issue broke my acceleration.
[23:17] <h00k> So, I'm not sure which part of what is broken that I don't have compositing
[23:17] <Daekdroom> As a matter of fact, h00k, you do have the mouse & keyboard issue, don't you?
[23:17] <Daekdroom> Or was it someone else..
[23:17] <h00k> Daekdroom: yep.
[23:18] <Daekdroom> I've had it earlier today, and the same cause for it had me lose compositing and 3D accel.
[23:18] <h00k> bug 807306
[23:19] <Daekdroom> If you check the comments, they suggest 'sudo mv /run/udev /run/udev.old' as a workaround
[23:19] <h00k> I'm going to try comment 27 to fix it right now
[23:20] <h00k> much better.
[23:21] <h00k> Sound even works without having me to tell alsa to reload.
[23:21] <h00k> muuuuuch better.
[23:58] <rrva> anyone having problems with raise volume key on keyboard after oneiric upgrade?
[23:58] <rrva> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/809072