[02:43] hey, where are the moderators for #ubuntu? There's a troll mucking the whole channel up. [02:44] anadon: in #ubuntu-ops, but I'm one anyway and paying attention [02:44] kk === gpc is now known as IdleOne === croppa_ is now known as croppa [07:38] hey how can i get oneiric? [07:38] i want to install it on a new system [07:38] http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/oneiric/alpha-2/ [07:39] that right? [07:39] genjix, just download it. [07:39] i use that link, right? [07:39] genjix, put it on a usb, boot the pc, read instructions, voila. [07:39] genjix, yes, that's the link. [07:39] thanks [07:44] are there netinstall/minimal install CDs for oneric? [07:46] (or, would it just be a matter of using an older one and playing with apt sources?) [07:47] I think if you take the URL for the older ones and make the relevant substitution from natty to oneiric or whatever, that might work === Dimmuxx_ is now known as Dimmuxx === chris|| is now known as chris| [09:43] hi! I am trying to set up oneiric in a deboostrap chroot (a package I maintain is breaking on oneiric). When I run debootstrap, I get: W: Failure trying to run: chroot /data/pfarrell/oneiric dpkg --force-depends --install /var/cache/apt/archives/libc6_2.13-9ubuntu2_amd64.deb . What can I do? Is this a bug in oneiric? [10:01] pfarrell: its a bug indeed === elky` is now known as elky [10:02] pfarrell: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/debootstrap/+bug/802985 [10:02] Ubuntu bug 802985 in eglibc (Ubuntu Hardy) "[lucid] /var/lib/dpkg/tmp.ci/preinst: 399: arithmetic expression: expecting EOF: "3.0-0-generic"" [High,Triaged] === Chipaca` is now known as Chipaca [10:11] dupondje: that isn't the error message I'm getting. I'm trying to create an oneiric system on maverick/natty, and I get a different error [10:11] and unfortunately installing alpha-2 in a virtualbox crashes :- [10:27] anyone else having a really bad time with tbird atm? [10:29] pfarrell: known issue, though I don't remember the bug #. Create a natty chroot and dist-upgrade [10:29] yofel: good idea. [10:41] in a debootstrap, how do I install the relevant file for my locale (en_GB.UTF-8) ? === ryanakca_ is now known as ryanakca [12:47] Hiyas [13:21] has the repos regressed the kernel back to 3.0.0 ?...I see it has replaced 3.0.4 in the recent upgrade [13:27] BluesKaj, 303 was in alpha2 if thats what you mean [13:35] yeah I meant 3.0.3 , robin0800 [13:36] lost in dependency hell on my other box ...it's the experimental one ...guess I should have waited :P [13:41] BluesKaj: it's 3.0-3 -> 3.0.0-4 [13:42] no idea why they added the subversion again === mrmist is now known as mr_mist [13:45] where does it looks in for the apps? IIRC it should be in /usr/bin? I added one there but it doesn't show up [13:45] Yeah, given that 3rd number is now for the bugfix releases, and Ubuntu has omitted it in the past. [13:45] utusan: "it" looks in your $PATH === mr_mist is now known as mrmist [13:46] the changelog entry for adding the third digit: "Adopt a 3 digit verion, e.g., 3.0.0-x.x" [13:46] tsimpson, of course and /usr/bin is there but why doesn't show up? [13:46] very descriptive [13:46] utusan: "show up" where? [13:46] in applications [13:46] gnome shell [13:46] because you need a .desktop file for that [13:47] oh ..ok..is there a template I can use? [13:48] look in /usr/share/apps, lots in there [13:48] yofel, that was announced at the release meeting last friday [13:48] oneiric-alpha-2 shipped with the 3.0-3.4 kernel whch was based on the mainline 3.0-rc5 release. We are shortly going to upload a 3.0-rc6 kernel. We are expecting the 3.0 final release shortly which represents our target kernel for oneiric. We are still seeing a trickle of issues with the 3.0 version number and it is likely Linus will release this kernel as 3.0.0 to avoid these userspace issues, we [13:48] will likely renumber our kernel also to match this and simplify backports to lucid. [13:48] or /usr/share/applications [13:49] tsimpson, ok.. thanks [13:49] thanks [14:13] Hi, do someone know how to set default app without using buggy gnome-control-center? [14:46] hi.. I just upgraded from natty to oneiric and all my X input devices (mouse,keyboard) are suddenly silent. Xorg.log just mentions that udev manages them but no errors.. how to troubleshoot? [14:51] #807306 [14:52] udev seems broken [14:57] how do I manually force xorg to not use udev input devices but rather bypass that layer on ubuntu? [15:28] hi, i got problems with pulseaudio. every now and then it stops working causing the system shutdown to halt. and now i got only approx. half the volume possible. [15:28] i got a c-media-"something" chip. where alsamixer doesnt work [15:29] the volume problem occurred when i changed the output from analog speakers to analog output and back [15:30] also i need to reset the volume on every startup [15:34] alsamixer works better in most cases without pulseaudio. Pulseaudio is meant for fancier pci soundcards that have alot of options [15:35] any eta on when indicator-network will be installable again? [15:36] the soundcard seems pretty fancy, but maybe the driver is not quite as feature rich... [15:36] once you set alsmixer up without pulseaudio in the way , it will usually hold the vol and other settings [15:37] it says it doesnt find any mixer device [15:37] jakubo, if you decide to keep pulseaudio , then install pavucontrol . it's agui for controlling pulseaudio settings [15:38] is pulseaudio so immature? [15:38] jakubo, type alsamixer in the terminal [15:39] after the installation of pavumixer? [15:41] jakubo, alsamixer and pulsaudio are separate ...pa needs alsa because it's the driver for your soundcard , but alsa doesn't need pa...it's just a layered sound server that runs on top of alsa [15:43] fancy soundcard =pci card , IMO [15:43] there is no alsamixer for my device [15:44] jakubo, then install alsa-base and alsa-utils [15:44] C-Media CM6501 is my chip, a-base and -utils still are installed [15:45] good day all [15:48] So, is dist-upgrade recommended or not when running Oneric? === maco2 is now known as maco [15:48] I use it all the time [15:49] especially as update-manager has been failing for a few days [15:49] jakubo, alsamixer. in the terinal doesn't bring it up ? [15:49] Because, if I understand it, it will install new packages if an update requires that new package, yes? [15:49] there was a kernel update today, that you can't get with upgrade [15:49] jup [15:49] hooyup [15:49] h00k: yes [15:50] it will also things like the new kernel, that upgrade and safe-upgrade don't do. [15:50] s/also things/also install things [15:50] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDeveloperWeek Day 1 to kick off in 10 minutes in #ubuntu-classroom [15:50] And remove things! [15:51] !dist-upgrade [15:51] A dist-upgrade will install new dependencies for packages already installed and may remove packages if they are no longer needed. Please see !upgrade for the proper way to upgrade to a new version of Ubuntu. [15:51] Perfect, that's what I just wanted to verify [15:52] it always tells me to run auto-remove or something [15:53] which worked fine for me when upgrading is to see what i being removed and if its being reinstalled in any way, then you can be pretty safe to have a working system after reboot [15:54] well, it was apt-get upgrade that put me into dependnency hell a couple of days ago ...and none of my bag of fixes would work , so I reinstalled 11.04....gonna wait til the dust clears [15:56] :) [15:57] omg guys what's going on o-o [15:57] back to my sound issue, could it be i need to insall the oss modules? [15:58] just decided to try the alpha 2 and i can't even start the Update manager after the laterst updates [15:58] no biggie ... I've learned to make a separate /home partition for my linux machines [15:59] is wiser than the easy way [15:59] this must be the most unstable alpha yet :) [16:00] jakubo, sudo apt-get install --reinstall alsa-base , then the same for alsa-utils [16:01] Deithrian, I'm inclined to agree [16:02] How am i supposed to update if the Update manager crashes?! [16:02] use apt-get [16:03] Also there's a weird can't write to /udev or something error at boot and it falls back to /.udev ?! [16:03] jup for me too [16:04] that udev thing is a common occurrence , but iut doesn't seem affect much [16:04] Deithrian: that's not a big deal, it is part of the /run transition, shouldn't happen for much longer now that we actually have /run [16:04] to [16:05] BluesKay: no hange for me after reinstall [16:05] change* [16:05] o-o what about the constant crashes :| [16:05] it's alpha [16:06] never used an alpha like this one before o-o [16:06] did they change the world or something? [16:06] No, it is doing what it expected in a development release [16:06] jakubo, that's strange ...I have a c-media chip on my other pc ... didn't encounter that on 11.10.I've since reverted to 11.04 [16:07] If the development release works perfect, why bother testing it? [16:07] i have had the issue ever since ... i think 9.10 [16:07] ah come on :) when was the last time Update Manager didn't work in Alpha for you?! [16:08] jakubo, hmm, then I think your c-media card might be kaput [16:08] BluesKaj, am i supposed to use apt-get update or something? o-o [16:08] I usually don't use Update Manager itself [16:09] Deithrian, yes [16:09] I use update manager every week or two to see if it works [16:09] the 6501 chipset seems not to be liked by linux or vice versa [16:09] BluesKaj, that's all? o-o [16:09] Deithrian, and upgrade as well [16:10] *dist-upgrade [16:10] nvm ill just use synaptic ._. [16:11] Pici, really ? maybe that should be noted in the motd === KNUBBIG_ is now known as KNUBBIG [17:01] oneiric disables gnome-shell. How get it back as default (currently running with unity) === KNUBBIG is now known as KNUBBIG_ [17:12] Just installed updates and rebooted. When lightdm starts up my mouse and keyboard stop working. I can't even ctrl+alt+f1 to switch vt. Is it a known problem? [17:12] i believe so, yes [17:13] Any workaround? [17:14] i'll try to get you the bug number so you can look [17:14] WelshDragon, try reconnecting your peripherals [17:15] I've read someone had to do that everytime he logged in. [17:15] that wouldn't work unless they were usb [17:15] ps/2 isn't hot swappable [17:15] Oh. [17:16] They are a USB [17:16] I'll get off the livecd and give it a try [17:16] thanks Daekdroom [17:16] brb [17:19] That worked Daekdroom, ty :) [17:20] Well, it'd be good if there was a real fix, I suppose, but it should do. [17:20] Hi [17:20] I have issue with php / imap.so [17:21] http://pastebin.com/Krr4UJzW [17:22] bug 807306 [17:22] Launchpad bug 807306 in udev (Ubuntu Oneiric) "[oneiric] Keyboard & mouse not working in X" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/807306 [17:22] that's the keyboard & mouse thing [17:24] is this know issue? [17:25] known* [17:33] anyone? [17:34] jamesbond2: I suppose you can take our silence as us not knowing about it. I suggest looking for and/or logging a bug on launchpad for your issue. [17:34] ok === mirsal_ is now known as mirsal [17:53] I just apt-get dist-upgrade'd, and now my keyboard and mouse (thinkpad ultranav) are non-functioning in X. Basically I have to power off at the login screen. I'm in recovery mode right now. Any ideas for what to look at? [17:54] carl0s-: Its a known issue. See bug 807306 [17:54] Launchpad bug 807306 in udev (Ubuntu Oneiric) "[oneiric] Keyboard & mouse not working in X" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/807306 [17:54] Anyone know if the KDE 4.7 packages dropped into the repos? I'd like to get that out of the topic and add this new X issue. [17:55] Pici: thanks. I guess I just need to keep checking for new updates n stuff then.. :) [17:56] Did and update and rebooted as required, now I am unable to use mouse or keyboard. How do I fix this? [17:56] OneiricOne: known issue See bug 807306 [17:56] Launchpad bug 807306 in udev (Ubuntu Oneiric) "[oneiric] Keyboard & mouse not working in X" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/807306 === OneiricOne is now known as IdleOne === Pici changed the topic of #ubuntu+1 to: discussion and support for Ubuntu Oneiric Ocelot | Release schedule: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/OneiricReleaseSchedule | Alpha 2 http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/oneiric/alpha-2/ | The KDE 4.7 packages will drop into the archive over the next few days - see https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-devel/2011-July/005309.html | Keyboard & mouse not working in X? See https://launchpad.net/b [17:57] arg [17:57] thanks Pici === Pici changed the topic of #ubuntu+1 to: discussion and support for Ubuntu Oneiric Ocelot | Release schedule: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/OneiricReleaseSchedule | Alpha 2 http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/oneiric/alpha-2/ | The KDE 4.7 packages will drop into the archive over the next few days - see https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-devel/2011-July/005309.html | Keyboard & mouse not working in X? See http://pad.lv/807306 [17:58] IdleOne: Can you check if the KDE 4.7 packages landed? [17:58] Pici, kde 4.7 is in the repos but it's still breaking things [17:58] IdleOne: nvm [17:58] BluesKaj: thanks [17:58] yeah I am running kubuntu [17:59] so unplug and replug...so simple I would have never thought about it [17:59] * IdleOne gives it a shot === Pici changed the topic of #ubuntu+1 to: discussion and support for Ubuntu Oneiric Ocelot | Release schedule: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/OneiricReleaseSchedule | Alpha 2 http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/oneiric/alpha-2/ | Known Issues: Keyboard & mouse not working in X? See http://pad.lv/807306 [17:59] Good enough [18:00] kpassword is also broken [18:00] (now I get to say 'see topic' instead of 'known issue see bug #whatever') [18:01] amongst many others, so don't reboot [18:02] well that fixed the mouse nbut keyboard is still not working :/ [18:08] I can get the mouse working and then select to login into console mode. keyboard works fine there [18:11] ok so console works === gpc is now known as IdleOne_ [18:27] so how do I get the system to see my ps/2 mouse ? [18:27] err keyboard not mouse [18:28] keyboard works in console, so the drivers are being loaded/usede right? how to keep them in use when starting X [18:29] used* [18:31] tried https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/udev/+bug/807306/comments/20 stil no love [18:31] Ubuntu bug 807306 in udev (Ubuntu Oneiric) "[oneiric] Keyboard & mouse not working in X" [High,Confirmed] [18:31] still* [18:36] we must wait for the fix [18:38] in the mean time I am sol :( [18:39] You're the sun? === txwikinger2 is now known as txwikinger [18:39] Pici, shinning brightly upon your face [18:39] I am staying inside for a while, it is too hot in the shade, even [18:39] basque in the glory of my light [18:42] maybe the basques will object , IdleOne [18:42] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/udev/+bug/807306/comments/20 works fine here [18:42] Ubuntu bug 807306 in udev (Ubuntu Oneiric) "[oneiric] Keyboard & mouse not working in X" [High,Confirmed] [18:43] htorque_, can you paste you xorg so I can see exactly what you did? [18:43] to a pastebin of course [18:44] http://paste.ubuntu.com/642090/ [18:44] + installed xserver-xorg-input-kbd [18:44] yup that is what I did also [19:14] Why don't I have the default Unity lenses anymore? [19:14] Oh. All it took was a Unity restart [19:17] I hate to say this but I need to reinstall 11.04 so I can have a working desktop. can't wait for a fix to that bug 807306 [19:17] Launchpad bug 807306 in udev (Ubuntu Oneiric) "[oneiric] Keyboard & mouse not working in X" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/807306 [19:18] I have workaround [19:19] run this in console and keyboard/mouse will work [19:19] udevadm trigger --subsystem-match=input --action=change [19:19] hmm ok I'll give that a shot before reinstalling [19:24] wth now my keyboard isn't working when I boot from usb [19:29] idelOne: is it working for you? [19:32] how can i upgrade natty to oneiric? [19:32] just s/natty/oneiric/ in sources.list? [19:32] do-release-upgrade -d [19:32] but there is high bug in oneiric === yofel_ is now known as yofel [19:51] The keyboard & mouse issue caught me, and now I don't have 3d accel either. Should have seen it coming. [19:52] Unity-2D looks kinda cool, tho [20:00] Daekdroom: sudo mv /run/udev /run/udev.old - should fix both [20:01] That seems dangerous. [20:01] I'll try to dig the rotten package first anyway. [20:01] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/udev/+bug/807306 [20:01] Ubuntu bug 807306 in udev (Ubuntu Oneiric) "[oneiric] Keyboard & mouse not working in X" [High,Confirmed] [20:02] I know it's that bug. [20:02] if mdeslaur does it, i'm convinced it's ok to do that moving :) [20:02] i have working keyboard, mouse and 3d accel again [20:03] It was the update to udev 172-0ubuntu1 I had earlier today, apparently. [20:04] Brb. === KNUBBIG_ is now known as KNUBBIG [20:47] anybody have a workaround for this dead keyboard/mouse business?? [20:50] yay, I'm not alone [20:51] carl0s-, sudo mv /run/udev /run/udev.old [20:51] if I interpreted the above comment correctly [20:51] that was posted as a workaround to the bug report I believe [20:51] cwillu_at_work: i'll give that a go. brb! thanks :) [20:51] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/udev/+bug/807306 [20:51] Ubuntu bug 807306 in udev (Ubuntu Oneiric) "[oneiric] Keyboard & mouse not working in X" [High,Confirmed] [20:52] oh [20:52] it happens itermitently for me [20:53] yeah, doesn't seem to be the same thing [20:53] cwillu_at_work, it worked - thanks! [20:54] ior3k, presumably you've filed a bug report? :p [20:54] (because why else would you run an alpha?) [20:55] cwillu_at_work: because I'm crazy [20:55] but anyway, I can't reproduce the problem [20:55] ior3k, why aren't you in #btrfs then, if you're so crazy? [20:55] eh? [20:55] what's that? [20:55] the new experimental filesystem that all the crazy kids run [20:56] well, I'm not that crazy ;) [20:56] then file a damn bug report :p [20:56] cwillu_at_work: but I can't reproduce the problem, the bug will be closed as incomplete [20:57] besides my configuration is a bit weird... xmonad + xcompmgr + unity2d [20:57] all the more reason to report [20:57] if I can reproduce this consistently I'll file a bug [20:57] the non-standard configs haven't gotten nearly enough love in the last two releases [20:57] it's not that I don't want to file bugs, I have done so [20:58] even if it's marked incomplete, it can be found by others with the same potential problem [20:58] well, alright [21:45] I'm wondering.. https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-o-gtk3-gnome3 doesn't say whether gtk2 will be shipped in the CD or not.. [22:44] Daekdroom: it will be most likely for firefox (at least for oneiric), but most other stuff will be ported [22:45] Hm. [22:52] Daekdroom, I suggest xubuntu or kde if you're looking for a conventional desktop :p [22:53] Aww. I'm so used to Unity. [22:54] And the few attempts I had with kubuntu-desktop package weren't so good. Maybe the whole thing would go better if I didn't have the two environments' tools and programs cluttering the desktop, tho. === Corey is now known as lawfairy === lawfairy is now known as Corey [23:10] I don't know if I have compositing actually running over here on my Sandy Bridge. [23:12] h00k, can it run Unity (non 2D)? [23:12] Daekdroom: I'm not sure if I'm on Unity 2d or regular Unity :) [23:13] Are the bottom two launchers light grey or dark gray? [23:13] the're gray, light gray [23:13] default = light gray for 2d, dark gray for 3d [23:14] * charlie-tca doesn't really know any way to find out, either [23:14] yeah, okay, then I'm on Unity 2d. [23:14] charlie-tca, really? I know plenty of differences. [23:14] like the icon backgrounds in 2D are all light grey, and they're colored in 3D [23:14] Dash has a frame around the icons in 2D. 3D doesn't. [23:15] * charlie-tca is learning [23:15] Check it - transparency on gnome-terminal isn't real, either, it shows the wallpapaer instead of the window behind it: http://i.imgur.com/bfrX4.jpg [23:15] Personally, I think they're so different that I can't use 2D without getting slightly annoyed. [23:16] I thought I was doing good just remembering the part about the bottom two launchers :( [23:16] I had the nice '3d' unity on Natty, before the upgrade. [23:16] Oh, and I think Unity-2D doesn't have appmenu support, but maybe that's specific to here. [23:16] I don't really use it enough, I guess [23:17] I've used it once, today, when the udev issue broke my acceleration. [23:17] So, I'm not sure which part of what is broken that I don't have compositing [23:17] As a matter of fact, h00k, you do have the mouse & keyboard issue, don't you? [23:17] Or was it someone else.. [23:17] Daekdroom: yep. [23:18] I've had it earlier today, and the same cause for it had me lose compositing and 3D accel. [23:18] bug 807306 [23:18] Launchpad bug 807306 in base-files (Ubuntu Oneiric) "[oneiric] Keyboard & mouse not working in X" [Critical,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/807306 [23:19] If you check the comments, they suggest 'sudo mv /run/udev /run/udev.old' as a workaround [23:19] I'm going to try comment 27 to fix it right now === KNUBBIG is now known as KNUBBIG_ [23:20] much better. [23:21] Sound even works without having me to tell alsa to reload. [23:21] muuuuuch better. [23:58] anyone having problems with raise volume key on keyboard after oneiric upgrade? [23:58] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/809072 [23:58] Ubuntu bug 809072 in Ubuntu "raise volume key no effect in gnome after oneiric upgrade" [Undecided,New]