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BGLhow am i supposed to install ubuntu from windows (i don't have a usb stick or cd) when i run wubi "the application failed to start because the application configuration is incorrect.. "04:09
holsteinhmmm... how does windows expect the application to be configured?04:10
holsteinis that when you get the error? from inside windows when you try to run the .exe?04:10
holsteinBGL: i would probably delete that wubi.exe and re-download04:11
BGLi guess it's because i don't have service pack 2 or something04:14
BGLhttp://unetbootin.sourceforge.net/ - can i use this as a work around maybe?04:14
holsteinsure... if you have a USB stick04:14
holsteinthat wont get you a wubi install though04:15
BGL"frugal install"04:15
BGL"it can make a "frugal install" on your local hard disk if you don't have a USB drive."04:15
BGL"if you did a "frugal install" by selecting "Hard Disk" as your install target, select the UNetbootin entry from the Windows Boot Menu as the system boots up."04:16
BGL^- ?04:16
holsteinthat sounds like a pain04:16
BGLwell, i can't get wubi to run04:16
Error404NotFoundjust get rid of winders04:16
Error404NotFoundlike everyone else..04:16
holsteinBGL: whats the exact error?04:17
holsteinwhat makes you think its sp2 related?04:17
holsteinif you are online with that windows box, you *should* be taking those updates04:17
Error404NotFoundlol04:18
BGL"This application ahs failed to start because the application configuration is incorrect. Reinstalling the application may fix this problem."04:18
Error404NotFoundusing vista?04:18
BGLit's xp04:18
Error404NotFoundand you dont have sp2?04:18
BGLno04:18
Error404NotFoundisnt xp to like sp504:18
BGLis sp5 required to install ubuntu?04:19
Error404NotFoundno clue04:19
holsteinwhat is 'ahs' ??04:19
Error404NotFoundno one i know uses xp still...04:19
BGL"This application has failed to start because the application configuration is incorrect. Reinstalling the application may fix this problem."04:19
holsteineh... lots of folks, and companies still use XP, and probably will for a long time04:19
BGLnot that google wouldn't auto complete it for you04:20
M0hiBGL: UNetbootin is showing that error?04:20
BGLno, wubi is04:20
Error404NotFoundxp hits eol soon04:20
M0hiah!04:20
holsteinError404NotFound: hit is a few years ago though too04:20
holsteinhit it*04:20
M0hiWindoze windoze04:20
Error404NotFoundi <3 windows!04:21
Error404NotFoundlol04:21
BGLi was looking at unetbootin as an alternative to wubi04:21
Error404NotFoundwhen it works, which is nearly never04:21
BGLthe frugal install situation04:22
holsteinBGL: thats not going to be trivial04:22
BGLas in not a problem?04:23
holsteinwell, not a problem, but not easy04:23
holsteinBGL: you have *any* USB hard drive?04:24
holsteindoes the machine USB boot?04:24
M0hiBGL: and also have you tried downloading a new wubi from http://www.ubuntu.com/download/ubuntu/windows-installer ?04:24
BGLyeah i got wubi from ubuntu's website04:25
BGLthere is a bug report on this erorr and it was changed to invalid04:25
holsteinif it were me, i would delete it, and get an older one04:25
BGLan older one to install 11.04?04:25
BGLwill that work?04:25
holsteinwell, if it were me, i would want 10.0404:26
zkriesse_skip wubi lol04:26
zkriesse_use Universal USB Installer04:26
BGLzk: does that not require a usb device?04:26
holsteinzkriesse_: BGL says no USB or CD04:26
zkriesse_and go with 10.04 or 10.10 and yes it does lol04:26
holstein:/04:26
zkriesse_oh damn04:26
BGLi read an older wubi might be able to get round this i've never used wubi before04:26
zkriesse_that puts quite a bite in doing it04:26
BGLcan you chose which distro to install from within wubi?04:27
holsteinwithin reason, i say yes04:27
holsteinyou couldnt use it to install fedora04:27
BGLwell, to install 10.0404:28
holsteinBGL: it literally wont hurt to try04:28
holsteinright now, you just need to get a wubi.exe or .msi to start and not crash on your system04:28
BGLhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/wubi/+bug/66923704:28
ubot2Ubuntu bug 669237 in debian-installer "wubi.exe does not start. " [Undecided,Invalid]04:28
holsteinBGL: i think thats because the issue is probably with your windows intall04:29
BGLit's because i don't have some service pack04:29
holsteinBGL: if you know that, then why not just get the service pack?04:30
M0hiholstein +104:30
holsteinits really a *bad* idea not to update windows with security updates04:30
BGLi really don't feel like spending 3 hours downloading updates04:30
holsteinBGL: imagine how much time you'll spend fixing whatever you get hacked04:30
holstein*potentially04:30
Error404NotFoundlol at 3 hours04:31
Error404NotFounddial up user eh04:31
holsteinand, plus the time you're wasting here on wubi, and whatever other programs you wont be able to install04:31
BGLhow is using  unetbootin complicated? it sounds simple am i missing something about it?04:32
holsteinBGL: its simple, but the frugal install is not that simple to me04:33
holsteingo for it though04:33
BGLwell what's complicated about it?04:33
holsteinyou can let me know :)04:33
Error404NotFoundlol04:33
bioterrorError404NotFound, you're still using Ubuntu?-)04:35
* holstein looks at the unet windows version in wine04:35
Error404NotFoundyes04:35
bioterrorError404NotFound, good ;)04:35
Error404NotFoundi do still have windows 7 dual boot but i dont use it04:36
bioterror;))04:36
Error404NotFoundnow that i actualy got my printer working on linux04:36
holsteinyeah... i wouldnt know where to start with a 'frugal install' like that... wheres it go? how do you boot it?04:37
BGLit looks like it adds oit to the already existing boot selection menu of windows04:38
holsteini'll be interested to see how that works out for you BGL04:39
* holstein is out... good luck :)04:39
* Error404NotFound kicks holstein in the ass04:40
BGLgetting 10.04 instead of 11.04 sounded like a better idea actually so i'm dl'n that atm05:10
BGLi used unity for a little bit and was just kinda meh about it05:11
Error404NotFoundBGL:  you dont have to use unity you know...05:13
Error404NotFoundsystem settings login screen05:13
Error404NotFoundchange to ubuntu classic05:13
Unit193You can also use !lubuntu , !xubuntu or even !kubuntu if you don't like Unity05:20
BGLwell, unetbootin worked fine i was able to boot into ubuntu/live and start the install but i was quickly stopped because i cannot make a partition out of the free space on this drive, assuming because i'm booting off of it at the same time05:51
BGLfigures i'd run into some other dumbass problem05:52
BGLhowever if i'd had the partitions setup already unetbootin would've done the trick05:52
BGLi'm just going to haul in a cd tomorrow from work05:52
Error404NotFound BGL use G parted to create new partition06:14
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jimmieIs there any way to make the File/Edit/etc bar on an open window go into the launcher in Gnome much like it does in unity?07:56
E3D3I made a link to Kate (editor) on my toolbar. Opened Kate & tweaked it. With R-mouse or Menu a not-configurated Kate opens ?11:15
E3D3Suddenly I have 3 different configurations/Kate's ? How can I force the 2 other links to synchronize my tweaks/addons etc ?11:15
E3D3I want to see everywhere the same Kate.11:15
coalwaterE3D3, i don't know what might be the problem but it might be that u need to restart the editor it self, or maybe u are sending some sort of parameters in the shortcut that u created that are not  being sent by default, i don't know what other probabilities might cause this problem11:30
E3D3I did it with Kate like I always do. But really thanks for your help. Try one reinstall & if I lose all my work I will never look to Kate again.11:39
geirhaA reinstall will not fix anything. This is a user config issue.11:40
E3D3Thanks geirha. I quit with working ON Kate instead of WITH. dont want to lose more.11:41
E3D3I try to install a split-screen addon for gEdit & just remove Kate, that will save me a lot of time & more ...11:42
geirhaIf you feel adventurous, try vim-gnome or vim-gtk. It has a bit of a learning curve, but once you're past that, you won't look back. ;)11:44
geirhaIf there's anything vim can't do, it's not worth doing. That's my motto. ;)11:48
E3D3I know but quess the only reasson to use it is because it took too much time to learn. I still prefer gEdit & happy to see I can split my screen there too (addon). Kate scared me almost to death with its strange behaviour, will burn it ritual with pleasure ;-) But your enthousiasm make me still curious about vim, maybe later. Thanks11:48
* geirha evil laughter11:49
E3D3vim is like blender (graphic editor)  for me, learning curve doesn't feel intiutive.11:49
geirhaYes, good analogy. I was completly lost first time I tried Blender too.11:50
E3D3I experimented for years & always had to go back to the beginning tuts, so I left it.11:51
E3D3Its usefull if you use it a lot, guess its the same with vim, guess you almost never touch your mouse ?11:51
coalwaterE3D3, i never used kate, but what's in it that's better than gedit?11:56
E3D3Solved, Kate is to the eternal hunting grounds & a better tweaked gEdit is first lady again. I can sleep peacefully.11:57
E3D3Kate had split screen default & more nice default things for programming.11:57
E3D3Code folding11:57
E3D3But yesterday it eat 100% CPU, when closing 2nd window -the doc also close, & troubles with its commands. gEdit never scared me.11:59
E3D3I use splitscreen everywhere, have now an old plugin for gEdit that does it. Im happy & can continue work with a free heart.12:00
E3D3gEdit has more addons, like direct FTP-connect, funny to live edit my webpages.12:00
E3D3Another question :12:10
E3D3What is the smartest way to resize my harddrive with 2 Ubuntu-OS's (each on its own partion & swap) to 3 partions without losing software ?12:10
E3D3Backup app in main menu seems not to backup manually installed software.12:10
E3D3Or beter learn LVM ?12:11
coalwater_i don't know really12:15
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E3D3coalwater: Still thanks, I'll wait.12:16
coalwaterbut about the software backing up i think it might be close to the same12:16
coalwater!clone12:16
ubot2To replicate your packages selection on another machine (or restore it if re-installing), you can type « aptitude  --display-format '%p' search '?installed!?automatic' > ~/my-packages », move the file "my-packages" to the other machine, and there type « sudo xargs aptitude --schedule-only install < my-packages ; sudo aptitude install » - See also !automate12:16
coalwatersorry, im half asleep, that sentence was messed up12:17
coalwateri meant 'it might be close to cloning'12:17
E3D3Guess so, I never did it but heard CloneZilla is good. Hope there is an easier 'temporary copy to 2nd partition' solution.12:19
E3D3Problem is that Im lost track of some manually installed software (no deb/rpm packages). Will explore above commands again, Thanks.12:21
coalwaterdpkg -l12:22
coalwatero nvm12:22
E3D3That missed, say Aptana, & other installed stuff.12:22
E3D3Im bad at English abriviations ; nvm = nevermind ?12:23
E3D3Tried : aptitude --display-format '%p' search '?installed!?automatic' > ~/my-packages12:33
E3D3Its miss a lot of software I dont want to lose so guess I have to learn cloning.12:33
Sidewinder1E3D3, I'm not sure that it'll do what you want but you might have a look at "Grsync", it's a gui for the rsync command.12:35
E3D3Sidewinder1: I see it will make (selective) backups & read so more, thanks for the thread.12:38
E3D3* so = some12:38
Sidewinder1NP.12:38
s-foxHello.14:16
bioterrorhi fox14:17
s-foxo/14:17
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coalwaterhow do i update a local bzr branch with a remote one that probabl has a couple of revisions added, bzr pull ?21:04
coalwaterok nvm bzr update21:05
asterismohello guys21:42
asterismoi need help with a scanner21:42
holsteinasterismo: o/21:42
holsteinusb? networked?21:42
asterismousb21:43
holsteinwhats the deal? do you see it at all?21:43
asterismothis is the thing21:43
asterismothe scanner is an Artec Ultima 200021:43
asterismoold usb scanner21:43
asterismobut i made it work in a laptop21:44
asterismonow i want to make it work in another laptop and a desktop but i cant21:44
holsteinwhat did you do to make it work?21:44
holsteinsome backport?21:45
asterismoi did make the scanne work21:45
asterismothrough sane application21:45
asterismoi make it work by editing /etc/sane.d/gt68xx.conf file21:46
asterismouncomment5ed some lines and after a restart it worked21:46
asterismobut this is not working this time21:47
asterismoand sane is suppose to support this chip21:47
asterismoand i really need this scanner in this other 2 computers21:47
holsteinyeah?21:48
holsteini would probably prefer it on the one machine, and just share the files...21:48
holsteini suppose i would look at the sane versions and kernel verions21:48
asterismothe working machine i wont have it anymore21:48
asterismoall systems are maverick21:49
asterismoall i38621:49
holsteinwell, something is different21:49
holsteinthe USB controllers are21:49
asterismomay be copying some folders and replacing ones in the other machines... any ideas?21:49
holsteinasterismo: i would still go and actually confirm the kernel version and sane version21:50
asterismothe scanner is detected in lsusb21:50
asterismosame kernel and same sane version21:51
holsteinthen, its going to be the config, or the USB controller21:51
holsteini would probably just grab the entire /etc/sane.d dir21:52
asterismohow do i check that?21:52
holsteinasterismo: you would need another USB controller ideally21:52
asterismoi replaced the entire sand.d dir in new machines and simple-scan app says no scanners detected21:52
asterismobut sane-find command detects the scanner, product vendor... etc21:53
holsteini would probably reinstall sane... and go from there21:54
asterismoscanimage -L says no scanners were identified21:54
asterismohow do i install another usb cortroller?21:54
bioterrordoes dmesg see it?21:54
bioterroror lsusb21:54
holsteinlsusb does apparently21:54
holsteinthat and the sane-find info does not support the USB controller theory21:55
asterismodmesg21:55
asterismousb 5-1: new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 321:55
asterismolsusb21:56
asterismoBus 005 Device 003: ID 05d8:4002 Ultima Electronics Corp. Artec Ultima 2000 (GT6801 based)/Lifetec LT9385/ScanMagic 1200 UB Plus Scanner21:56
bioterrorasterismo, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lifetec9385Config22:00
truepurpleIs wine the best window 7 program runner? If so, which of the versions available in the software center, should I use? What are the differences between them?22:05
bioterroror running windows under virtual machine22:06
st33medtruepurple, WINE can run windows. If you have a good computer with sufficient memory and a Windows CD of any version (XP), a virtual maching is a good option22:07
st33medSorry WINE runs windows programs ok22:07
holsteinyeah, virtual machine will be *exactly* like windows running22:07
st33medBut games won't render well because it's virtualizing a video card22:08
truepurpleAnd how do I set up a virtual machine?22:08
truepurpleWell the program I want to use is small in resources and not a game22:08
st33medOK, WINE maybe able to run it. What do you want to run?22:08
truepurpleWindows 7 Loader By Orbit30 & Hazar v1.5 Release 222:11
truepurpleBut how do I set up a virtual machine anyway?22:12
bioterror!virtualbox22:12
ubot2virtualbox is a x86 !virtualizer. A !free edition is available from the package 'virtualbox-ose'. A non-free edition is available at http://virtualbox.org for most Ubuntu releases (help in #vbox) - Setup details at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VirtualBox22:12
StevenRst33med: I use virt-manager on ubuntu to run my windows VM, works very well.22:16
st33medcool22:16
StevenR(it uses KVM under the hood, rather than virtualbox)22:18
holsteinStevenR: have you used virtualbox too?22:19
StevenRholstein: no22:23
truepurpleVirtual box requires you to have the OS you want to emulate though, right?22:26
StevenRyes22:26
StevenRit's basically a free "fake" computer22:26
StevenRor multiple fake computers :)22:26
StevenRKVM allows me to netinstall rather nicely, and boot from iso images, usb disks, etc.22:27
vanderson_Hello22:38
vanderson_I want to be a ubuntu developer, and I saw in the wiki about the Ubuntu Beginners Team. How can I enter in this team?22:40
new2ubuntuguyhi everyone!22:46
Error404NotFoun1       oi22:46
new2ubuntuguycan anyone help with a partition problem?22:46
Error404NotFoun1like what22:46
new2ubuntuguy just set up my system with partitions and LVM and I can access home and the file system, but not the main part of my hard drive, the largest part22:47
new2ubuntuguyIm so noob22:47
Error404NotFoun1you setup multiple partitions?22:48
new2ubuntuguyyes installed ubuntu on encrypted lvm file system22:48
new2ubuntuguyfollowed a guide that worked great, but not sure how to access all of my hard drive22:48
Error404NotFoun1did you format the other partitions?22:50
new2ubuntuguyany good terminal commands that would show the partition set up?22:50
new2ubuntuguyI'm not sure what's formatted actually, I have done nothing but the pre ubuntu install set up of the partitions22:50
asterismohi people22:51
new2ubuntuguyhi22:51
asterismoi cannot plug external hard drive to frontal usb port22:51
Error404NotFoun1why not22:52
new2ubuntuguyany help error?22:52
asterismodmesg says sd 8:0:0:0: [sde] Unhandled error code22:53
asterismoi can pastebin large dmesg22:53
Error404NotFoun1are the front usb 2.0?22:53
asterismoits like usb is being reset continuously22:53
asterismoit never mounts22:54
asterismobut if i plug in rear usb ports, it mounts ok22:54
Error404NotFoun1new2ubuntuguy:  if i had that problem id use ubunto live cd to format the other partitions22:54
new2ubuntuguyis there a terminal command that will show info on current partitions?22:54
geirhanew2ubuntuguy: sudo fdisk -l  # lists disks, their partitions and sizes22:56
new2ubuntuguyok thanks22:56
geirhaTo further identify, mount a partition, run ls, then unmount.  e.g.  sudo mount /dev/sda1 /mnt && ls -l /mnt && sudo umount /mnt22:57
new2ubuntuguyif I pasted my output from fdisk, would you be able to tell what's formatted ?22:59
new2ubuntuguyit's all greek to me22:59
vanderson_oi23:00
geirha!paste | new2ubuntuguy23:00
ubot2new2ubuntuguy: For posting multi-line texts into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com | To post !screenshots use http://imagebin.org/?page=add | !pastebinit to paste directly from command line | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic.23:00
geirhanew2ubuntuguy: Possibly23:01
new2ubuntuguycan I paste into a private message geirha so I don't flood?23:01
geirhaPreferably use a pastebin23:01
new2ubuntuguyok I'll try23:02
geirhasudo apt-get install pastebinit23:02
geirhasudo fdisk -l | pastebinit23:03
new2ubuntuguyhttp://paste.ubuntu.com/642234/23:03
geirhaHm. /dev/dm*, never seen those before.23:04
new2ubuntuguy:/23:04
geirhaYou have two partitions on /dev/sda though. One small one, probably a /boot partition. And a ~300GB one that you probably installed ubuntu on23:05
new2ubuntuguyhttp://www.linuxbsdos.com/2011/05/10/how-to-install-ubuntu-11-04-on-an-encrypted-lvm-file-system/23:06
new2ubuntuguythat's the guide I used23:06
new2ubuntuguyjust not sure if I need to format now or what23:06
geirhaAh, so that's what /dev/dm is23:07
asterismodoes everybody can plug an external hard drive in frontal usb ports??23:07
new2ubuntuguyany ideas geirha?23:08
charlie-tcadepends on the motherboard, asterismo23:09
charlie-tcaNot all USB ports are created equal23:09
asterismowhat is that mean?23:10
charlie-tcaIt means some are usb 1.0, some are usb 2.0, some have less power to them, and some are not even connected properly23:10
asterismousb is usb, how can i figure out i can or not plug other stuff in frontal usb?23:10
geirhanew2ubuntuguy: I've never tried anything like that myself, but the guide seems to be complete23:10
charlie-tcaThe only way I know of is to try things in them23:11
new2ubuntuguymaybe I still need to format?23:11
charlie-tcaI have computers with 8 ports, 2 of which will work for the USB drives23:11
geirhanew2ubuntuguy: Ah, you possibly only formatted some partitions23:11
charlie-tcaasterismo: further, all will work with a usb keyboard23:12
geirhanew2ubuntuguy: But I'm afraid I know nothing about lvm and dm-crypt, so I wouldn't know how to go about formatting them.23:12
new2ubuntuguyI can acess home and the file system, but when I click on my 300 GB HD below that, it says "Unable to mount"23:12
asterismoif i use a PCI card for USB extension, it will affect IRQs or something the other USB ports?23:13
new2ubuntuguyok thanks anyway geirha23:13
geirhaSomeone else here may have experience with it, or you could try #ubuntu and/or #linux23:14
new2ubuntuguyok thanks23:15
new2ubuntuguyin the pastebin, "doesn't contain a valid partition table"  .... does that mean anything in particular?23:16
geirhaIf it said so on a regular disk, it would mean the master boot record on it was wiped. On those dm-devices though, it probably just can't read them because they're encrypted. Just guessing.23:20
new2ubuntuguyok23:24
new2ubuntuguyI just opened Gparted partition program, and I have /dev/sda2 with a file system of crypt-luks23:25
new2ubuntuguystatus is not mounted23:25
holsteinStevenR: ping?23:36
StevenRholstein: lo23:36
holsteinStevenR: you add yourself to te lib-virt group with virt-manager?23:37
holsteinlibvirt*23:37
StevenRholstein: apparently I am in the libvirtd group.23:39
holsteinhmmmm... im already a member of that group too23:40
StevenRholstein: what's the problem?23:41
holsteinpermissions error. im sure i just need to rtfm23:41
holsteinStevenR: you dont run it as root right23:53
holstein?23:53
StevenRnope23:56
holsteinStevenR: i logged out and back in :)23:59

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