[04:09] <BGL> how am i supposed to install ubuntu from windows (i don't have a usb stick or cd) when i run wubi "the application failed to start because the application configuration is incorrect.. "
[04:10] <holstein> hmmm... how does windows expect the application to be configured?
[04:10] <holstein> is that when you get the error? from inside windows when you try to run the .exe?
[04:11] <holstein> BGL: i would probably delete that wubi.exe and re-download
[04:14] <BGL> i guess it's because i don't have service pack 2 or something
[04:14] <BGL> http://unetbootin.sourceforge.net/ - can i use this as a work around maybe?
[04:14] <holstein> sure... if you have a USB stick
[04:15] <holstein> that wont get you a wubi install though
[04:15] <BGL> "frugal install"
[04:15] <BGL> "it can make a "frugal install" on your local hard disk if you don't have a USB drive."
[04:16] <BGL> "if you did a "frugal install" by selecting "Hard Disk" as your install target, select the UNetbootin entry from the Windows Boot Menu as the system boots up."
[04:16] <BGL> ^- ?
[04:16] <holstein> that sounds like a pain
[04:16] <BGL> well, i can't get wubi to run
[04:16] <Error404NotFound> just get rid of winders
[04:16] <Error404NotFound> like everyone else..
[04:17] <holstein> BGL: whats the exact error?
[04:17] <holstein> what makes you think its sp2 related?
[04:17] <holstein> if you are online with that windows box, you *should* be taking those updates
[04:18] <Error404NotFound> lol
[04:18] <BGL> "This application ahs failed to start because the application configuration is incorrect. Reinstalling the application may fix this problem."
[04:18] <Error404NotFound> using vista?
[04:18] <BGL> it's xp
[04:18] <Error404NotFound> and you dont have sp2?
[04:18] <BGL> no
[04:18] <Error404NotFound> isnt xp to like sp5
[04:19] <BGL> is sp5 required to install ubuntu?
[04:19] <Error404NotFound> no clue
[04:19] <holstein> what is 'ahs' ??
[04:19] <Error404NotFound> no one i know uses xp still...
[04:19] <BGL> "This application has failed to start because the application configuration is incorrect. Reinstalling the application may fix this problem."
[04:19] <holstein> eh... lots of folks, and companies still use XP, and probably will for a long time
[04:20] <BGL> not that google wouldn't auto complete it for you
[04:20] <M0hi> BGL: UNetbootin is showing that error?
[04:20] <BGL> no, wubi is
[04:20] <Error404NotFound> xp hits eol soon
[04:20] <M0hi> ah!
[04:20] <holstein> Error404NotFound: hit is a few years ago though too
[04:20] <holstein> hit it*
[04:20] <M0hi> Windoze windoze
[04:21] <Error404NotFound> i <3 windows!
[04:21] <Error404NotFound> lol
[04:21] <BGL> i was looking at unetbootin as an alternative to wubi
[04:21] <Error404NotFound> when it works, which is nearly never
[04:22] <BGL> the frugal install situation
[04:22] <holstein> BGL: thats not going to be trivial
[04:23] <BGL> as in not a problem?
[04:23] <holstein> well, not a problem, but not easy
[04:24] <holstein> BGL: you have *any* USB hard drive?
[04:24] <holstein> does the machine USB boot?
[04:24] <M0hi> BGL: and also have you tried downloading a new wubi from http://www.ubuntu.com/download/ubuntu/windows-installer ?
[04:25] <BGL> yeah i got wubi from ubuntu's website
[04:25] <BGL> there is a bug report on this erorr and it was changed to invalid
[04:25] <holstein> if it were me, i would delete it, and get an older one
[04:25] <BGL> an older one to install 11.04?
[04:25] <BGL> will that work?
[04:26] <holstein> well, if it were me, i would want 10.04
[04:26] <zkriesse_> skip wubi lol
[04:26] <zkriesse_> use Universal USB Installer
[04:26] <BGL> zk: does that not require a usb device?
[04:26] <holstein> zkriesse_: BGL says no USB or CD
[04:26] <zkriesse_> and go with 10.04 or 10.10 and yes it does lol
[04:26] <holstein> :/
[04:26] <zkriesse_> oh damn
[04:26] <BGL> i read an older wubi might be able to get round this i've never used wubi before
[04:26] <zkriesse_> that puts quite a bite in doing it
[04:27] <BGL> can you chose which distro to install from within wubi?
[04:27] <holstein> within reason, i say yes
[04:27] <holstein> you couldnt use it to install fedora
[04:28] <BGL> well, to install 10.04
[04:28] <holstein> BGL: it literally wont hurt to try
[04:28] <holstein> right now, you just need to get a wubi.exe or .msi to start and not crash on your system
[04:28] <BGL> https://bugs.launchpad.net/wubi/+bug/669237
[04:28] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 669237 in debian-installer "wubi.exe does not start. " [Undecided,Invalid]
[04:29] <holstein> BGL: i think thats because the issue is probably with your windows intall
[04:29] <BGL> it's because i don't have some service pack
[04:30] <holstein> BGL: if you know that, then why not just get the service pack?
[04:30] <M0hi> holstein +1
[04:30] <holstein> its really a *bad* idea not to update windows with security updates
[04:30] <BGL> i really don't feel like spending 3 hours downloading updates
[04:30] <holstein> BGL: imagine how much time you'll spend fixing whatever you get hacked
[04:30] <holstein> *potentially
[04:31] <Error404NotFound> lol at 3 hours
[04:31] <Error404NotFound> dial up user eh
[04:31] <holstein> and, plus the time you're wasting here on wubi, and whatever other programs you wont be able to install
[04:32] <BGL> how is using  unetbootin complicated? it sounds simple am i missing something about it?
[04:33] <holstein> BGL: its simple, but the frugal install is not that simple to me
[04:33] <holstein> go for it though
[04:33] <BGL> well what's complicated about it?
[04:33] <holstein> you can let me know :)
[04:33] <Error404NotFound> lol
[04:35] <bioterror> Error404NotFound, you're still using Ubuntu?-)
[04:35]  * holstein looks at the unet windows version in wine
[04:35] <Error404NotFound> yes
[04:35] <bioterror> Error404NotFound, good ;)
[04:36] <Error404NotFound> i do still have windows 7 dual boot but i dont use it
[04:36] <bioterror> ;))
[04:36] <Error404NotFound> now that i actualy got my printer working on linux
[04:37] <holstein> yeah... i wouldnt know where to start with a 'frugal install' like that... wheres it go? how do you boot it?
[04:38] <BGL> it looks like it adds oit to the already existing boot selection menu of windows
[04:39] <holstein> i'll be interested to see how that works out for you BGL
[04:39]  * holstein is out... good luck :)
[04:40]  * Error404NotFound kicks holstein in the ass
[05:10] <BGL> getting 10.04 instead of 11.04 sounded like a better idea actually so i'm dl'n that atm
[05:11] <BGL> i used unity for a little bit and was just kinda meh about it
[05:13] <Error404NotFound> BGL:  you dont have to use unity you know...
[05:13] <Error404NotFound> system settings login screen
[05:13] <Error404NotFound> change to ubuntu classic
[05:20] <Unit193> You can also use !lubuntu , !xubuntu or even !kubuntu if you don't like Unity
[05:51] <BGL> well, unetbootin worked fine i was able to boot into ubuntu/live and start the install but i was quickly stopped because i cannot make a partition out of the free space on this drive, assuming because i'm booting off of it at the same time
[05:52] <BGL> figures i'd run into some other dumbass problem
[05:52] <BGL> however if i'd had the partitions setup already unetbootin would've done the trick
[05:52] <BGL> i'm just going to haul in a cd tomorrow from work
[06:14] <Error404NotFound>  BGL use G parted to create new partition
[07:56] <jimmie> Is there any way to make the File/Edit/etc bar on an open window go into the launcher in Gnome much like it does in unity?
[11:15] <E3D3> I made a link to Kate (editor) on my toolbar. Opened Kate & tweaked it. With R-mouse or Menu a not-configurated Kate opens ?
[11:15] <E3D3> Suddenly I have 3 different configurations/Kate's ? How can I force the 2 other links to synchronize my tweaks/addons etc ?
[11:15] <E3D3> I want to see everywhere the same Kate.
[11:30] <coalwater> E3D3, i don't know what might be the problem but it might be that u need to restart the editor it self, or maybe u are sending some sort of parameters in the shortcut that u created that are not  being sent by default, i don't know what other probabilities might cause this problem
[11:39] <E3D3> I did it with Kate like I always do. But really thanks for your help. Try one reinstall & if I lose all my work I will never look to Kate again.
[11:40] <geirha> A reinstall will not fix anything. This is a user config issue.
[11:41] <E3D3> Thanks geirha. I quit with working ON Kate instead of WITH. dont want to lose more.
[11:42] <E3D3> I try to install a split-screen addon for gEdit & just remove Kate, that will save me a lot of time & more ...
[11:44] <geirha> If you feel adventurous, try vim-gnome or vim-gtk. It has a bit of a learning curve, but once you're past that, you won't look back. ;)
[11:48] <geirha> If there's anything vim can't do, it's not worth doing. That's my motto. ;)
[11:48] <E3D3> I know but quess the only reasson to use it is because it took too much time to learn. I still prefer gEdit & happy to see I can split my screen there too (addon). Kate scared me almost to death with its strange behaviour, will burn it ritual with pleasure ;-) But your enthousiasm make me still curious about vim, maybe later. Thanks
[11:49]  * geirha evil laughter
[11:49] <E3D3> vim is like blender (graphic editor)  for me, learning curve doesn't feel intiutive.
[11:50] <geirha> Yes, good analogy. I was completly lost first time I tried Blender too.
[11:51] <E3D3> I experimented for years & always had to go back to the beginning tuts, so I left it.
[11:51] <E3D3> Its usefull if you use it a lot, guess its the same with vim, guess you almost never touch your mouse ?
[11:56] <coalwater> E3D3, i never used kate, but what's in it that's better than gedit?
[11:57] <E3D3> Solved, Kate is to the eternal hunting grounds & a better tweaked gEdit is first lady again. I can sleep peacefully.
[11:57] <E3D3> Kate had split screen default & more nice default things for programming.
[11:57] <E3D3> Code folding
[11:59] <E3D3> But yesterday it eat 100% CPU, when closing 2nd window -the doc also close, & troubles with its commands. gEdit never scared me.
[12:00] <E3D3> I use splitscreen everywhere, have now an old plugin for gEdit that does it. Im happy & can continue work with a free heart.
[12:00] <E3D3> gEdit has more addons, like direct FTP-connect, funny to live edit my webpages.
[12:10] <E3D3> Another question :
[12:10] <E3D3> What is the smartest way to resize my harddrive with 2 Ubuntu-OS's (each on its own partion & swap) to 3 partions without losing software ?
[12:10] <E3D3> Backup app in main menu seems not to backup manually installed software.
[12:11] <E3D3> Or beter learn LVM ?
[12:15] <coalwater_> i don't know really
[12:16] <E3D3> coalwater: Still thanks, I'll wait.
[12:16] <coalwater> but about the software backing up i think it might be close to the same
[12:16] <coalwater> !clone
[12:16] <ubot2> To replicate your packages selection on another machine (or restore it if re-installing), you can type « aptitude  --display-format '%p' search '?installed!?automatic' > ~/my-packages », move the file "my-packages" to the other machine, and there type « sudo xargs aptitude --schedule-only install < my-packages ; sudo aptitude install » - See also !automate
[12:17] <coalwater> sorry, im half asleep, that sentence was messed up
[12:17] <coalwater> i meant 'it might be close to cloning'
[12:19] <E3D3> Guess so, I never did it but heard CloneZilla is good. Hope there is an easier 'temporary copy to 2nd partition' solution.
[12:21] <E3D3> Problem is that Im lost track of some manually installed software (no deb/rpm packages). Will explore above commands again, Thanks.
[12:22] <coalwater> dpkg -l
[12:22] <coalwater> o nvm
[12:22] <E3D3> That missed, say Aptana, & other installed stuff.
[12:23] <E3D3> Im bad at English abriviations ; nvm = nevermind ?
[12:33] <E3D3> Tried : aptitude --display-format '%p' search '?installed!?automatic' > ~/my-packages
[12:33] <E3D3> Its miss a lot of software I dont want to lose so guess I have to learn cloning.
[12:35] <Sidewinder1> E3D3, I'm not sure that it'll do what you want but you might have a look at "Grsync", it's a gui for the rsync command.
[12:38] <E3D3> Sidewinder1: I see it will make (selective) backups & read so more, thanks for the thread.
[12:38] <E3D3> * so = some
[12:38] <Sidewinder1> NP.
[14:16] <s-fox> Hello.
[14:17] <bioterror> hi fox
[14:17] <s-fox> o/
[21:04] <coalwater> how do i update a local bzr branch with a remote one that probabl has a couple of revisions added, bzr pull ?
[21:05] <coalwater> ok nvm bzr update
[21:42] <asterismo> hello guys
[21:42] <asterismo> i need help with a scanner
[21:42] <holstein> asterismo: o/
[21:42] <holstein> usb? networked?
[21:43] <asterismo> usb
[21:43] <holstein> whats the deal? do you see it at all?
[21:43] <asterismo> this is the thing
[21:43] <asterismo> the scanner is an Artec Ultima 2000
[21:43] <asterismo> old usb scanner
[21:44] <asterismo> but i made it work in a laptop
[21:44] <asterismo> now i want to make it work in another laptop and a desktop but i cant
[21:44] <holstein> what did you do to make it work?
[21:45] <holstein> some backport?
[21:45] <asterismo> i did make the scanne work
[21:45] <asterismo> through sane application
[21:46] <asterismo> i make it work by editing /etc/sane.d/gt68xx.conf file
[21:46] <asterismo> uncomment5ed some lines and after a restart it worked
[21:47] <asterismo> but this is not working this time
[21:47] <asterismo> and sane is suppose to support this chip
[21:47] <asterismo> and i really need this scanner in this other 2 computers
[21:48] <holstein> yeah?
[21:48] <holstein> i would probably prefer it on the one machine, and just share the files...
[21:48] <holstein> i suppose i would look at the sane versions and kernel verions
[21:48] <asterismo> the working machine i wont have it anymore
[21:49] <asterismo> all systems are maverick
[21:49] <asterismo> all i386
[21:49] <holstein> well, something is different
[21:49] <holstein> the USB controllers are
[21:49] <asterismo> may be copying some folders and replacing ones in the other machines... any ideas?
[21:50] <holstein> asterismo: i would still go and actually confirm the kernel version and sane version
[21:50] <asterismo> the scanner is detected in lsusb
[21:51] <asterismo> same kernel and same sane version
[21:51] <holstein> then, its going to be the config, or the USB controller
[21:52] <holstein> i would probably just grab the entire /etc/sane.d dir
[21:52] <asterismo> how do i check that?
[21:52] <holstein> asterismo: you would need another USB controller ideally
[21:52] <asterismo> i replaced the entire sand.d dir in new machines and simple-scan app says no scanners detected
[21:53] <asterismo> but sane-find command detects the scanner, product vendor... etc
[21:54] <holstein> i would probably reinstall sane... and go from there
[21:54] <asterismo> scanimage -L says no scanners were identified
[21:54] <asterismo> how do i install another usb cortroller?
[21:54] <bioterror> does dmesg see it?
[21:54] <bioterror> or lsusb
[21:54] <holstein> lsusb does apparently
[21:55] <holstein> that and the sane-find info does not support the USB controller theory
[21:55] <asterismo> dmesg
[21:55] <asterismo> usb 5-1: new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 3
[21:56] <asterismo> lsusb
[21:56] <asterismo> Bus 005 Device 003: ID 05d8:4002 Ultima Electronics Corp. Artec Ultima 2000 (GT6801 based)/Lifetec LT9385/ScanMagic 1200 UB Plus Scanner
[22:00] <bioterror> asterismo, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lifetec9385Config
[22:05] <truepurple> Is wine the best window 7 program runner? If so, which of the versions available in the software center, should I use? What are the differences between them?
[22:06] <bioterror> or running windows under virtual machine
[22:07] <st33med> truepurple, WINE can run windows. If you have a good computer with sufficient memory and a Windows CD of any version (XP), a virtual maching is a good option
[22:07] <st33med> Sorry WINE runs windows programs ok
[22:07] <holstein> yeah, virtual machine will be *exactly* like windows running
[22:08] <st33med> But games won't render well because it's virtualizing a video card
[22:08] <truepurple> And how do I set up a virtual machine?
[22:08] <truepurple> Well the program I want to use is small in resources and not a game
[22:08] <st33med> OK, WINE maybe able to run it. What do you want to run?
[22:11] <truepurple> Windows 7 Loader By Orbit30 & Hazar v1.5 Release 2
[22:12] <truepurple> But how do I set up a virtual machine anyway?
[22:12] <bioterror> !virtualbox
[22:12] <ubot2> virtualbox is a x86 !virtualizer. A !free edition is available from the package 'virtualbox-ose'. A non-free edition is available at http://virtualbox.org for most Ubuntu releases (help in #vbox) - Setup details at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VirtualBox
[22:16] <StevenR> st33med: I use virt-manager on ubuntu to run my windows VM, works very well.
[22:16] <st33med> cool
[22:18] <StevenR> (it uses KVM under the hood, rather than virtualbox)
[22:19] <holstein> StevenR: have you used virtualbox too?
[22:23] <StevenR> holstein: no
[22:26] <truepurple> Virtual box requires you to have the OS you want to emulate though, right?
[22:26] <StevenR> yes
[22:26] <StevenR> it's basically a free "fake" computer
[22:26] <StevenR> or multiple fake computers :)
[22:27] <StevenR> KVM allows me to netinstall rather nicely, and boot from iso images, usb disks, etc.
[22:38] <vanderson_> Hello
[22:40] <vanderson_> I want to be a ubuntu developer, and I saw in the wiki about the Ubuntu Beginners Team. How can I enter in this team?
[22:46] <new2ubuntuguy> hi everyone!
[22:46] <Error404NotFoun1>        oi
[22:46] <new2ubuntuguy> can anyone help with a partition problem?
[22:46] <Error404NotFoun1> like what
[22:47] <new2ubuntuguy>  just set up my system with partitions and LVM and I can access home and the file system, but not the main part of my hard drive, the largest part
[22:47] <new2ubuntuguy> Im so noob
[22:48] <Error404NotFoun1> you setup multiple partitions?
[22:48] <new2ubuntuguy> yes installed ubuntu on encrypted lvm file system
[22:48] <new2ubuntuguy> followed a guide that worked great, but not sure how to access all of my hard drive
[22:50] <Error404NotFoun1> did you format the other partitions?
[22:50] <new2ubuntuguy> any good terminal commands that would show the partition set up?
[22:50] <new2ubuntuguy> I'm not sure what's formatted actually, I have done nothing but the pre ubuntu install set up of the partitions
[22:51] <asterismo> hi people
[22:51] <new2ubuntuguy> hi
[22:51] <asterismo> i cannot plug external hard drive to frontal usb port
[22:52] <Error404NotFoun1> why not
[22:52] <new2ubuntuguy> any help error?
[22:53] <asterismo> dmesg says sd 8:0:0:0: [sde] Unhandled error code
[22:53] <asterismo> i can pastebin large dmesg
[22:53] <Error404NotFoun1> are the front usb 2.0?
[22:53] <asterismo> its like usb is being reset continuously
[22:54] <asterismo> it never mounts
[22:54] <asterismo> but if i plug in rear usb ports, it mounts ok
[22:54] <Error404NotFoun1> new2ubuntuguy:  if i had that problem id use ubunto live cd to format the other partitions
[22:54] <new2ubuntuguy> is there a terminal command that will show info on current partitions?
[22:56] <geirha> new2ubuntuguy: sudo fdisk -l  # lists disks, their partitions and sizes
[22:56] <new2ubuntuguy> ok thanks
[22:57] <geirha> To further identify, mount a partition, run ls, then unmount.  e.g.  sudo mount /dev/sda1 /mnt && ls -l /mnt && sudo umount /mnt
[22:59] <new2ubuntuguy> if I pasted my output from fdisk, would you be able to tell what's formatted ?
[22:59] <new2ubuntuguy> it's all greek to me
[23:00] <vanderson_> oi
[23:00] <geirha> !paste | new2ubuntuguy
[23:00] <ubot2> new2ubuntuguy: For posting multi-line texts into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com | To post !screenshots use http://imagebin.org/?page=add | !pastebinit to paste directly from command line | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic.
[23:01] <geirha> new2ubuntuguy: Possibly
[23:01] <new2ubuntuguy> can I paste into a private message geirha so I don't flood?
[23:01] <geirha> Preferably use a pastebin
[23:02] <new2ubuntuguy> ok I'll try
[23:02] <geirha> sudo apt-get install pastebinit
[23:03] <geirha> sudo fdisk -l | pastebinit
[23:03] <new2ubuntuguy> http://paste.ubuntu.com/642234/
[23:04] <geirha> Hm. /dev/dm*, never seen those before.
[23:04] <new2ubuntuguy> :/
[23:05] <geirha> You have two partitions on /dev/sda though. One small one, probably a /boot partition. And a ~300GB one that you probably installed ubuntu on
[23:06] <new2ubuntuguy> http://www.linuxbsdos.com/2011/05/10/how-to-install-ubuntu-11-04-on-an-encrypted-lvm-file-system/
[23:06] <new2ubuntuguy> that's the guide I used
[23:06] <new2ubuntuguy> just not sure if I need to format now or what
[23:07] <geirha> Ah, so that's what /dev/dm is
[23:07] <asterismo> does everybody can plug an external hard drive in frontal usb ports??
[23:08] <new2ubuntuguy> any ideas geirha?
[23:09] <charlie-tca> depends on the motherboard, asterismo
[23:09] <charlie-tca> Not all USB ports are created equal
[23:10] <asterismo> what is that mean?
[23:10] <charlie-tca> It means some are usb 1.0, some are usb 2.0, some have less power to them, and some are not even connected properly
[23:10] <asterismo> usb is usb, how can i figure out i can or not plug other stuff in frontal usb?
[23:10] <geirha> new2ubuntuguy: I've never tried anything like that myself, but the guide seems to be complete
[23:11] <charlie-tca> The only way I know of is to try things in them
[23:11] <new2ubuntuguy> maybe I still need to format?
[23:11] <charlie-tca> I have computers with 8 ports, 2 of which will work for the USB drives
[23:11] <geirha> new2ubuntuguy: Ah, you possibly only formatted some partitions
[23:12] <charlie-tca> asterismo: further, all will work with a usb keyboard
[23:12] <geirha> new2ubuntuguy: But I'm afraid I know nothing about lvm and dm-crypt, so I wouldn't know how to go about formatting them.
[23:12] <new2ubuntuguy> I can acess home and the file system, but when I click on my 300 GB HD below that, it says "Unable to mount"
[23:13] <asterismo> if i use a PCI card for USB extension, it will affect IRQs or something the other USB ports?
[23:13] <new2ubuntuguy> ok thanks anyway geirha
[23:14] <geirha> Someone else here may have experience with it, or you could try #ubuntu and/or #linux
[23:15] <new2ubuntuguy> ok thanks
[23:16] <new2ubuntuguy> in the pastebin, "doesn't contain a valid partition table"  .... does that mean anything in particular?
[23:20] <geirha> If it said so on a regular disk, it would mean the master boot record on it was wiped. On those dm-devices though, it probably just can't read them because they're encrypted. Just guessing.
[23:24] <new2ubuntuguy> ok
[23:25] <new2ubuntuguy> I just opened Gparted partition program, and I have /dev/sda2 with a file system of crypt-luks
[23:25] <new2ubuntuguy> status is not mounted
[23:36] <holstein> StevenR: ping?
[23:36] <StevenR> holstein: lo
[23:37] <holstein> StevenR: you add yourself to te lib-virt group with virt-manager?
[23:37] <holstein> libvirt*
[23:39] <StevenR> holstein: apparently I am in the libvirtd group.
[23:40] <holstein> hmmmm... im already a member of that group too
[23:41] <StevenR> holstein: what's the problem?
[23:41] <holstein> permissions error. im sure i just need to rtfm
[23:53] <holstein> StevenR: you dont run it as root right
[23:53] <holstein> ?
[23:56] <StevenR> nope
[23:59] <holstein> StevenR: i logged out and back in :)