[03:26]  * mhall119 kicks paultag 
[03:28] <paultag> mhall119: oh ffs
[03:28] <paultag> mhall119: you're punging me
[03:29] <mhall119> punging?
[03:29] <paultag> mhall119: past tense of ping. to pung, punging is the plural
[03:29] <mhall119> that's a new one on me, is that good or bad to do?
[03:29] <paultag> mhall119: meh :)
[03:30] <mhall119> I thought it was ponged
[03:30] <mhall119> or pinged
[03:30] <paultag> mhall119: I want to stab my old self for writing such crap (syn as it is now)
[03:30] <paultag> mhall119: I prefer pung :)
[03:30] <mhall119> paultag: it's funny, every year your code quality gets exponentially better, but your previous year's code always looks like crap
[03:31] <mhall119> and it's best not to look back more than 2 years
[03:31]  * mhall119 shudders
[03:31] <paultag> mhall119: this code was written without internet (when my net was out) a few months ago, when I was rushing to have it 1.0
[03:31] <paultag> mhall119: and when I write good code, it's good. Code I wrote 5 years ago carefully still looks good to me
[03:31] <paultag> it's my hacks that piss me off
[03:31] <mhall119> oh man, you're lucky
[03:31] <paultag> mhall119: I'm in this 7 years now, coding almost daily
[03:31] <mhall119> then again, my code from 3 years ago was PHP, and my code from 5 years ago was Perl....
[03:32] <paultag> my PHP is damn fine thank you
[03:32] <mhall119> I'll blame the medium
[03:32] <mhall119> my PHP wasn't, you must have had a better version than me
[03:32] <paultag> hehehe
[03:32] <mhall119> oh, bedtime, g'night
[03:32] <paultag> mhall119: I also wrote my own MVC framework that really made it fairly nice
[03:32] <paultag> mhall119: night, mang
[03:33] <mhall119> I think everybody wrote their own MVC in PHP
[03:33] <mhall119> it's practially required
[03:33] <mhall119> like writing an MVC in Java
[03:33] <paultag> but java has built-in MVC support for most web bindings
[03:33] <mhall119> you mean servlets?
[03:34] <mhall119> they're pretty bare
[03:34] <paultag> mhall119: no, not servlets
[03:34] <paultag> that's not a web binding
[03:34] <mhall119> and nobody likes wiring it up in XML
[03:34] <paultag> stuff like JSP / JSF
[03:34] <mhall119> oh, ok
[03:34] <mhall119> I never did JSF
[03:34] <paultag> it sucks
[03:34] <mhall119> that's why I never did it ;)
[03:34] <mhall119> Click looked like the nicest framework for Java, but I never used it either
[03:35] <paultag> yar
[03:35] <paultag> I always wanted to edit Swing to render to a web-page
[03:35] <paultag> but got lazy, as usual
[03:35] <paultag> and more productive things came up :)
[03:35] <mhall119> there was a lib that would do that...
[03:36] <mhall119> ok, bed for me, kiddos have summer camp early in the morning
[03:36] <paultag> night night
[03:37] <mhall119> night
[06:48] <dholbach> good morning
[10:12] <dpm> morning everyone, is there anyone from the Polish team around?
[10:13] <czajkowski> dpm: they rarely idol in here 
[10:13] <czajkowski> dpm: aloha :)
[10:13] <Quintasan> dpm: \o
[10:13] <Quintasan> dpm: <--- Polish Team member
[10:15] <Quintasan> dpm: I'm going shopping, I'll be back in like 30 minutes
[10:16] <dpm> Quintasan, ok, thanks, there's no rush. Let me know when you've got a minute to chat
[10:50] <Quintasan> dpm: I'm back
[15:50] <dholbach> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDeveloperWeek Day 1 to kick off in 10 minutes in #ubuntu-classroom
[19:36] <coalwater> can someone help me get the loco dir work on my local apache?, and it would be better if it could work without installing the db
[19:39] <coalwater> no volunteers ? :D
[19:42] <cjohnston> coalwater: try #ubuntu-website
[19:43] <coalwater> hm so the loco dir project it self is not maintained here ?
[19:47] <mhall119> coalwater: not anymore, we moved discussion to #ubuntu-website
[20:30] <czajkowski> mhall119: why was that btw?
[20:30] <czajkowski> it's not really intuitative to go there to disucsc the LD tbh and most come here 
[20:38] <mhall119> czajkowski: because we ended up discussing summit and HoF development in here too
[20:38] <mhall119> so we decided, since there was already #ubuntu-website, to just move all our web dev talk there
[20:38] <czajkowski> hmm 
[20:38] <czajkowski> not my call 
[20:38] <czajkowski> :)
[20:39] <mhall119> it's still proper to talk about the loco directory in here
[20:39] <mhall119> especially as it applies to use and data
[20:39] <mhall119> but when we start talking about how to use bzr and setup a virtualenv, that's kind of out of place
[20:41] <czajkowski> notreally might get more invovled when people see it being done by community folks, but thats just me
[20:41] <czajkowski> *shrugs*