[03:26] * mhall119 kicks paultag [03:28] mhall119: oh ffs [03:28] mhall119: you're punging me [03:29] punging? [03:29] mhall119: past tense of ping. to pung, punging is the plural [03:29] that's a new one on me, is that good or bad to do? [03:29] mhall119: meh :) [03:30] I thought it was ponged [03:30] or pinged [03:30] mhall119: I want to stab my old self for writing such crap (syn as it is now) [03:30] mhall119: I prefer pung :) [03:30] paultag: it's funny, every year your code quality gets exponentially better, but your previous year's code always looks like crap [03:31] and it's best not to look back more than 2 years [03:31] * mhall119 shudders [03:31] mhall119: this code was written without internet (when my net was out) a few months ago, when I was rushing to have it 1.0 [03:31] mhall119: and when I write good code, it's good. Code I wrote 5 years ago carefully still looks good to me [03:31] it's my hacks that piss me off [03:31] oh man, you're lucky [03:31] mhall119: I'm in this 7 years now, coding almost daily [03:31] then again, my code from 3 years ago was PHP, and my code from 5 years ago was Perl.... [03:32] my PHP is damn fine thank you [03:32] I'll blame the medium [03:32] my PHP wasn't, you must have had a better version than me [03:32] hehehe [03:32] oh, bedtime, g'night [03:32] mhall119: I also wrote my own MVC framework that really made it fairly nice [03:32] mhall119: night, mang [03:33] I think everybody wrote their own MVC in PHP [03:33] it's practially required [03:33] like writing an MVC in Java [03:33] but java has built-in MVC support for most web bindings [03:33] you mean servlets? [03:34] they're pretty bare [03:34] mhall119: no, not servlets [03:34] that's not a web binding [03:34] and nobody likes wiring it up in XML [03:34] stuff like JSP / JSF [03:34] oh, ok [03:34] I never did JSF [03:34] it sucks [03:34] that's why I never did it ;) [03:34] Click looked like the nicest framework for Java, but I never used it either [03:35] yar [03:35] I always wanted to edit Swing to render to a web-page [03:35] but got lazy, as usual [03:35] and more productive things came up :) [03:35] there was a lib that would do that... [03:36] ok, bed for me, kiddos have summer camp early in the morning [03:36] night night [03:37] night [06:48] good morning === elky` is now known as elky === kinoucho` is now known as kinouchou [10:12] morning everyone, is there anyone from the Polish team around? [10:13] dpm: they rarely idol in here [10:13] dpm: aloha :) [10:13] dpm: \o [10:13] dpm: <--- Polish Team member [10:15] dpm: I'm going shopping, I'll be back in like 30 minutes [10:16] Quintasan, ok, thanks, there's no rush. Let me know when you've got a minute to chat [10:50] dpm: I'm back [15:50] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDeveloperWeek Day 1 to kick off in 10 minutes in #ubuntu-classroom === txwikinger2 is now known as txwikinger [19:36] can someone help me get the loco dir work on my local apache?, and it would be better if it could work without installing the db [19:39] no volunteers ? :D [19:42] coalwater: try #ubuntu-website [19:43] hm so the loco dir project it self is not maintained here ? [19:47] coalwater: not anymore, we moved discussion to #ubuntu-website [20:30] mhall119: why was that btw? [20:30] it's not really intuitative to go there to disucsc the LD tbh and most come here [20:38] czajkowski: because we ended up discussing summit and HoF development in here too [20:38] so we decided, since there was already #ubuntu-website, to just move all our web dev talk there [20:38] hmm [20:38] not my call [20:38] :) [20:39] it's still proper to talk about the loco directory in here [20:39] especially as it applies to use and data [20:39] but when we start talking about how to use bzr and setup a virtualenv, that's kind of out of place [20:41] notreally might get more invovled when people see it being done by community folks, but thats just me [20:41] *shrugs* === Quintasan_ is now known as Quintasan