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WorMzy-01:33
WorMzyoops01:33
MooDoomorning06:58
TheOpenSourcerermorning all06:59
BigRedSgood morning07:10
DJonesMorning07:10
MooDoohay AlanBell  i see you've made it onto a collector card :)  same for you czajkowski07:15
MooDoo:)07:15
popeyMorning07:42
* popey wonders where his collector card is07:42
MooDoopopey, random order....i'm sure yours will come soon :)07:45
shaunoif I was a little less tired, and a little more evil, I'd suggest we "community source" one for him ;)07:46
popey:D07:47
exobuzzcaptain popey07:47
popeyYes, Admiral Buzz?07:48
popeyalso, hello exobuzz07:48
exobuzznothing. just greeting you. good morning07:48
MooDoosomeone just gimp one up for him :D lol07:48
exobuzzhi07:48
exobuzzpopey, hah cool cat video. :)07:50
jimmieIs there any way to make the File/Edit/etc bar on an open window go into the launcher in Gnome much like it does in unity?07:57
popeyMooDoo: no need, I have been talking to randal about them07:57
MooDoo:)07:57
AlanBellMooDoo: yeah, cut out and keep08:08
AlanBelltop trumps08:08
MooDoolol awesome.......08:08
MooDooubuntu-uk top trumps edition08:09
JamesTaitGood morning all!08:13
MooDoomorning08:14
BigRedSGood morning!08:14
diploMorning al08:52
diploall*08:52
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jimmieHey lads.08:57
MooDoojimmie, don't forget the lassses :)08:59
jimmieIm not. But this is the internet.09:00
MooDoojimmie, i'm just teasing :)09:01
jimmieHeh.09:02
jimmieDont suppose you know how to make the top panel swallow the top bar of any open browser or window do you?09:03
oimonjimmie: sounds like you are after the "global menu"09:05
oimonwhich version of ubuntu are you using?09:06
jimmie11.04 pal09:08
oimonjimmie: which session are you loggin into? gnome classic or unity 3d/2d? (unity has it by default)09:11
ubuntuuk-planet[Gary Kearley] Tetris - http://kearley.net/tetris/09:11
jimmieGnome classic.09:11
jimmieYeah im trying to achieve the same thing unity has.09:12
oimonjimmie: try this then: http://www.bbgamer.co.uk/archives/10909:12
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brobostigongood morning everyone,09:28
dogmatic69o/09:28
brobostigono/09:28
shauno'lo09:29
wintellectpopey: ?09:29
HazRPGmorning \o/09:30
brobostigonmorning HazRPG :)09:30
* HazRPG *glugs more coffee*09:30
HazRPGbrobostigon: morning :)09:30
brobostigonHazRPG: long time no see.09:30
HazRPGindeed!09:31
gordhuh. i took two 500 gb barracuda drives out of my machine to test something, but now i have no idea the order in which they go back :(09:31
HazRPGTrying to get my head around some projects I was working on.09:31
popeywintellect: ?09:31
HazRPGBeen*09:31
brobostigonHazRPG: ah, :)09:31
HazRPGbrobostigon: :)09:31
brobostigonHazRPG: good plan, coffee, :)09:32
HazRPGMan, who'd thought trying to manage contact list on gmail could be so tough o.O09:32
HazRPGbrobostigon: recently got a coffee machine ;D09:32
HazRPGbrobostigon: away hot coffee = win \o/09:32
HazRPGspeaking of which, I'm out... *runs to kitchen*09:32
popeygord: surely it doesn't matter what order you put them in?09:33
popeygord: UUID FTW09:33
gordpopey, doesn't grub still work on the old non uuid method? i haven't looked in to how grub 2 works09:35
shaunodon't look.  it's safer that way.09:35
wintellectpopey: and how is my new bestest-friend in the whole wide world?09:37
brobostigonHazRPG: nice, :)09:37
wintellecthi brobostigon09:37
brobostigonhi wintellect09:37
MooDoowintellect, creep :)09:37
HazRPGwoo hurray for Google+ btw ;D09:37
brobostigonHazRPG: :) do you have an account?09:38
HazRPGbrobostigon: yeah, lovin' the coffee machine ;D09:38
HazRPGbrobostigon: yup :)09:38
brobostigonHazRPG: let me add you.09:38
wintellectMooDoo: lol. I promised popey he would be my "bestest" friend if he game me a a google+ invite. Guess what happened?09:38
MooDoo:)09:38
wintellectgave*09:39
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brobostigonHazRPG:  nice penguin, :)09:41
MooDooooo netsplit :)09:41
popeyhah wintellect09:43
HazRPGjust noticed the netsplit09:44
HazRPGbrobostigon: thanks :)09:45
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brobostigonHazRPG: :)09:47
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davmor2morning all09:58
davmor2hey czajkowski prod how did you get past all the security block to get back into England? ;)  Welcome Back09:59
davmor2MooDoo: you back on now or are you still in holiday mode?09:59
MooDoomorning davmor209:59
MooDoodavmor2, i'm back at work :(10:00
davmor2MooDoo: did you have a nice break though?10:00
MooDoodavmor2, loved it, how was your week in bakewell10:00
MooDoo?10:00
davmor2MooDoo: Smashing, Hot, busy but really nice,  Monday back was the wounder when I saw my inbox :(10:01
MooDoodavmor2, yup, just finally cleared mine....and no interview with canonical :(10:02
davmor2:(10:02
davmor2MooDoo: Trust me it took all week to clear mine, 26xx odd10:03
MooDoodavmor2, ah mines no where near that bad :)10:03
czajkowskidavmor2: it was an entertaining day to fly back I'll give you that10:04
MooDoodavmor2, you picked a good week well all the entertainment that was on.....10:05
* MooDoo hugs czajkowski as he's missed her.......:)10:05
* Gary tickles czajkowski as he's missed her....... :-)10:06
* czajkowski peers at ye lot10:06
davmor2MooDoo: had to avoid the village nearest to us and bakewell on the saturday so we could go else where not fun :D10:06
DavieyGary: !10:06
czajkowskiclearly I've been away too long ye know that's a no no10:06
Garyhey Davieywavie10:06
MooDoodavmor2, well glad you had a good time :)10:07
davmor2MooDoo: we'll be going again the site was smashing10:07
davmor2and ther plenty to do in the area oh and proper food10:08
MooDoodavmor2, yep it's a fab place to go, we go quite a lot10:08
oimonbbc manchester are looking for a linux SA..mainly debian/ubuntu10:08
oimonhttps://careers.bbc.co.uk/fe/tpl_bbc01.asp?newms=jj&id=3702010:09
czajkowskidavmor2: ended up smashing my hand into a glass mirror as i was about to leave the house for the flight on sat morning10:09
czajkowskidrove to airport with hand out the window trying to get it to stop bleeind10:09
czajkowskibleeding10:09
davmor2MooDoo: not like the wussy Southerners with there 4 slabs of potato that they tell you are hand carved ships :D10:09
davmor2czajkowski: Spanner, Muppet, Fraggle, Dilbert, D'oh!!!!!!  And other exclamations of stupidity,   There's enough things in life that try to kill you without you joining in ;)10:11
czajkowskidavmor2: lost my balance not so sturdy 1st thing in the morning10:12
czajkowskiput my hand out to stop myself falling over10:12
czajkowskimirror may not have been my smartest move i admit10:12
davmor2czajkowski: come on tell the truth you were still drunk from the night before right ;)10:15
davmor2anyone running oneiric on anything and natty on something else?10:17
Davieydavmor2: i suspect a few people are.10:19
DJones10:15              <   Guest34784!~epl25@alde.cl.cam.ac.uk []10:20
DJonesgrr10:20
DJonesoimon: I see that BBC job is based at the new Media City centre10:20
jimmie /j #ubuntu-beginners10:20
jimmiehNNGH10:20
oimonDJones: probably a lot of staff don't want to move from london either10:21
MooDooDJones, grrr?10:21
DJonesoimon: I would think so,10:21
DJonesMooDoo: Mis-paste just before10:21
MooDooah10:21
davmor2Daviey: Evo on natty doesn't see anything in my Inbox after TB in oneiric connected to it,  bu only the inbox.  Both on imap it odd10:21
davmor2Daviey: Just got it back must of been an evo thing :(  just odd10:23
Davieydavmor2: thunderbird is currently rather poorly for me on Oneiric10:24
Davieydavmor2: constantly crashing.10:24
DavieyGLib-ERROR **: Cannot create pipe main loop wake-up: Too many open files10:24
davmor2Daviey: It kills my test box  186% Cpu usage and sends the system fans into overdrive10:25
davmor2Daviey: I'm assuming however that, that is only cause it is importing 10's of thousands of emails, never had it on evo though :(10:26
davmor2Daviey: Other issue I have is the ever shrinking, un-re-sizeable filters window10:27
* Daviey screams10:28
davmor2Daviey: I now only see the O of okay on the buttons at the bottom makes it hard to do things like choose a folder10:28
DavieyAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH10:35
davmor2Daviey: I'm going to take some screenshots and report them the issue is cause it is killing my cpu nothing else seems to start up properly :)10:37
Davieyi'm currently using mutt.10:39
MartijnVdSDaviey: feeling masochistic today? :)10:39
davmor2Daviey: hahahaha possibly a safer bet :D10:39
DavieyMartijnVdS: uh?10:42
MartijnVdSDaviey: Using mutt hurts my brain10:42
MartijnVdSDaviey: I assumed it hurts yours as well10:42
oimoni didn't realise that the 5 play limit for a song on spotify was a permanent thing :( i thought it got reset each month10:43
MartijnVdSoimon: it used to10:43
MartijnVdSoimon: maybe it resets every time you you pay?10:43
oimonMartijnVdS: i'm back up to 10hrs play left but tracks i played 5 times about a month ago are still greyed out10:44
MartijnVdScomplain to the record labels, I guess10:45
oimonor use youtube :)10:45
oimonit's an album i want to buy but i need to find a machine with itunes on it cos i have itunes vouchers to buy it with..taken me 6 motnhs to get round to it10:46
davmor2or buy a dab radio and tune it into Absolute 80's and forget all about music collections :D10:46
popeydavmor2 is stuck in the 1980's10:46
oimon80s deserves to die in a fire :D10:46
oimonexcept the good bits (i.e. smiths, pixies)10:46
davmor2popey: only musically10:46
DavieyMartijnVdS: mutt hurts less than thunderbird on oneiric at the moment :)10:47
MartijnVdSDaviey: oneiric doesn't like me at all atm.. unity is one crashy pile of poo10:48
davmor2popey: there is a nice mix of music, disco, house, rap, rock, pop, cheesey dance hall fillers and ballards that everyone knows :D10:48
davmor2did this channel dies as everyone raced out to buy a dab radio?11:27
MooDoodavmor2, has analog been tunred off11:29
MooDoo?11:29
davmor2MooDoo: no but Absolute 80's is national on dab, and internet and not on fm11:30
MooDoodavmor2, stand and deliver...woooahwoah......11:31
davmor2MooDoo: George Michael Currently not so hot but still an annoyingly catchy tune, and now I don't want to dance11:33
AlanBellHi all11:54
MooDoohi AlanBell11:55
shaunoo/11:55
davmor2morning AlanBell11:59
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AlanBellAlfresco server upgraded, afternoon in Starbucks12:03
TheOpenSourcererthat was quick!12:03
AlanBellit was, went pretty smooth12:04
TheOpenSourcererdid you get my mail re the projector?12:04
j0nrhello folks! Long time no... write..12:07
DJonesHi j0nr12:12
AlanBellmight pop along to the London hackspace in a bit12:58
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vflinuxhi13:03
vflinuxhow are you?13:04
vflinuxHi for all13:09
davmor2vflinux: hello13:11
vflinuxdavmor2: Hello13:12
vflinuxI'm looking for a job like linux support or admin.13:12
vflinuxif somebody can help me13:12
vflinuxI thank's in advance.13:12
diplovflinux, Experience is what it's all about13:13
diploLot's of jobs on uk job sites for linux sys admins13:13
vflinuxI have 10 yeard of experience13:13
jpdsvflinux: You asked this last week.13:13
vflinuxjpds: Yes was me13:13
davmor2vflinux: you can join the linuxjobs mailing list popey can you provide the link I can't think of it off hand13:13
vflinuxjpds: I'm trying again13:14
vflinuxdavmor2: I'm on the list linuxjobs13:14
davmor2vflinux: failing that try cwjobs they are pretty good at their Job listings break down including linux jobs iirs13:15
diplohttps://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/linuxjobs13:15
vflinuxdavmor2: But no success yet13:15
davmor2diplo: thanks13:15
dauberslo13:16
davmor2daubers: hello13:16
daubersIt's a code refactoring day today13:20
daubersand already I've found one dumb if statement13:20
vflinuxdiplo: I'm subscribed. Thank's13:21
daubersif (x==y){  x=y; }13:21
* BigRedS wonders how whatever that line used to be ended up like that13:21
daubersBigRedS: it may have been a no coffee left in the cupboard day13:22
directhexdaubers, which language?13:24
daubersdirecthex: originally it was python, but I transposed so it would fit in one line :)13:25
BigRedSAh, I was just wondering if it was type related13:26
BigRedSthough I've never used anything where that's of much concern :)13:26
directhexyeah, wondered if it was an attempt at overcoming an object issue13:28
directhexe.g. the == operator compares the object's contents, but the = does a full-on object replacement13:28
livingdaylightAvé14:02
livingdaylightCan someone tell me how I can open two instances of Nautilus. I'm using 11.04 with unity bar14:04
Azelphurfile new window I think14:04
livingdaylightwhen I have Nautilus already open I can not simply click on Nautilus icon to open another instance of said app, which I want to in order to easily transfer files from one folder to another14:04
davmor2livingdaylight: middle click the icon in the launcher14:04
livingdaylightdavmor2, middleclick! awesome14:05
davmor2livingdaylight: np's14:05
livingdaylightdavmor2, hey, just discovered F3 !14:06
livingdaylightsplits Nautilus in two screens14:06
davmor2livingdaylight: yeap that too but that wasn't what you asked at the time :D14:07
livingdaylightdavmor2, true, although would have led to what I was seeking to do; copy'npaste files from one to another14:09
s-foxHello.14:16
MooDoohello s-fox , how the devil are you?14:18
* MooDoo passes s-fox a glass of the red stuff.....14:18
s-foxHello MooDoo  :-)  I'm good thanks, been busy!14:18
s-foxI got myself on the ubuntu forum council :)14:19
s-foxHow are you doing?14:19
MooDoos-fox, well done, i'm fine :)14:19
s-foxThanks for the ribena14:19
MooDoos-fox, wasn't what i was thinking lol14:19
s-foxI have not touched a drop since June 3rd14:19
MooDoos-fox, i had a pint yesterday, i'm not a big drinker14:20
davmor2MooDoo: You just passed s-fox a glass of red diesel what you trying to do kill s-fox14:21
MooDoodavmor2, oi shush you14:21
* s-fox sniffs the red stuff14:21
s-fox;)14:21
MooDoodavmor2, my god i sound like czajkowski14:21
PalaPadGrrrrr14:22
* davmor2 slaps MooDoo silly one czajkowski is bad enough14:22
MooDoodavmor2, thanks, i needed that :)14:22
PalaPadTravelled all the way to London today for a meeting only to find out it was last week despite all my emails saying it was today14:22
PalaPadHow you guys doing?14:23
jimmieHeh14:23
davmor2PalaPad: That's not good14:23
jimmieIm good pal, you?14:23
PalaPadEven had to get a parent of another kid at my sons school to take him to school today so I could travel to this damn meeting lol14:24
MooDooPalaPad, yeah just read that on twitter.....that sucks14:24
MooDooPalaPad, hope you give someone a rollocking14:24
PalaPadAm good though, missus is really sick but I am ok14:24
MooDooPalaPad, just a cold i hope14:24
PalaPadWe are about 10 weeks pregnant :)14:24
PalaPadShe has morning afternoon and night sickness lol14:25
jimmieCrikey.14:25
MooDooPalaPad, awesome, 7 weeks to go for us.....14:25
PalaPadOh grata moo how is mom to be doing?14:25
MooDooPalaPad, tired, and serious back ache, 1st was 9lb born, thinking this one might be bigger....:S14:26
PalaPadOur first was 10lb 15oz so hoping this one is smaller lol14:26
MooDooPalaPad, wow :S  your poor wife....i'm tall, my son is 2.5 but needs 4/5 year old clothes :S14:27
oimonoof thats a big baby14:27
PalaPadBeen hard so far though she is permasick14:27
MooDooPalaPad, it's all worth it in the end, just tell her that, but remember to say it from 10foot away! :)14:27
PalaPadSo I am having to work, look after the house, her and my son, it is a big problem ATM Sumer is my busiest time14:27
oimonnot looking forward to having another baby14:28
PalaPadAlready cancelled 3 conferences and 2 meetings in last month14:28
PalaPadYeah my son is 5 and 4'6" lol14:28
oimonagh that sucks. need to use windows to update my bios - is there a windows livecd?14:29
PalaPadWe just got his 1st year school photo last week he is head and shoulders above every kid in his year14:30
PalaPadAnd 2x broader14:30
PalaPadLil bruiser he is14:30
MooDooPalapad, tell me about it, i'm 6'6 and they expect him to be bigger than me....i hope not.....14:30
PalaPadOn train so if I go quiet means I lost signal14:31
PalaPadmoo, yeah Logan is 99.7th percentile for height14:31
PalaPadLitera14:32
PalaPadLiterally off the charts14:32
MooDooPalaPad, sounds like we're the same......:)14:32
PalaPadCharts only go to 97th percentile14:32
MooDooPalaPad, yup 99th percentile here too.......14:32
PalaPadHe is a great kid though14:33
PalaPadHis 1st school report is amazing14:33
oimoni was on 99th %ile for weight..massive fatty14:33
MooDoo"put me down son while i'm telling you off"14:33
oimonnow i'm underweight :S14:33
MooDooi'm clinically obese :D14:33
DJonesMooDoo: So's the olympic rower (Was James Cracknell?)14:33
davmor2oimon: can you not use dos? if you can you can use free dos from any of the live cd's that have it on14:34
MooDooDJones, oh i know it's rubbsh, i'm not that fit but if you saw me, you'd see i'm not clinically obese, i can get away with it coz of my height14:34
oimondavmor2: hmm i it's a dell windows only update, rather than a floppy update14:34
oimonfound some dodgy instructions using wine, gonna try it14:35
PalaPadBack14:35
PalaPadIs it an old mobo?14:35
oimonPalaPad: around 4or 5 yrs old14:36
oimoni need the bios for a processor upgrade14:36
davmor2oimon: the best of it is you'll probably find out it is the old floppy upgrade patched to run from windows rather than dos :D14:38
oimonno such floopy upgrade :(14:38
brobostigondoes anyone happen to have a spare eeepc 900 keyboard lieing around ?15:12
davmor2brobostigon: Um no15:17
brobostigondavmor2: ok, thank you.15:17
oimonanyone ever used buffalo linkstation as home NAS?15:20
oimonthey are quite old school15:20
BigRedSI think there's one at my dad's15:24
BigRedSwhich perhaps highlights my unfamiliarity with it, so I might be no use whatsoever :)15:24
oimon:P15:24
oimonfound an old one in a drawer, might beat my current unwieldy solution of nslu2+usb drive15:25
dwatkinsnice, oimon15:26
BigRedSfwiw, it's been great. I think it was turned on about four years ago and it's just sat there serving files ever since15:26
oimonah, i will be putting the debian on it :)15:26
oimonas soon as i discover which model i have15:26
daubersI need to turn one of my old NSLU2's into a print server at some point15:28
daubersJust need a big USB stick to hold debian on15:28
MyrttiI feel so old looking at LRLUK2008 pictures15:31
hamitronworst thing about using something like a NSLU2 to store files on.... it restricts you from "playing" with it ;)15:42
oimonlol..any suggestion?15:44
Myrttiviglen15:45
davmor2hamitron: I was trying to make that fit the latest Need For Speed title  " Need for Speed London to Utah 2"  didn't sound at all right :D15:46
hamitronNetworking Slow Linux Unit?15:47
hamitron;/15:47
hamitronI dunno the real name15:47
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hamitronNone Serious Linux Unit15:48
hamitronthat would be mine :D15:48
hamitronjust I don't want to buy one for a firm use.... and need use to jsutify buying15:49
hamitronso no way i can follow both them :/15:49
oimonthey must be cheap now15:49
oimoni can't believe i'm installing windows on a PC just to update the bios15:49
oimon:(15:49
hamitron:-o15:50
hamitronno DOS option?15:50
oimonnope, nothing15:50
oimonsux15:50
hamitronor option to flash from directly in the BIOS15:50
hamitron:/15:50
oimonadblock plus gets removed between firefox upgrade from 4 to 5..accident? hmmm15:55
davmor2oimon: nope it the FF4 one isn't working in FF5 you have to install the FF 5 version bit sucky I know15:57
oimon:(15:58
oimoni forgot the internet really looks like that15:58
ubuntuuk-planet[Jono Bacon] QA Community Coordinator Required - http://www.jonobacon.org/2011/07/11/qa-community-coordinator-required/16:11
directhexhttp://www.engadget.com/2011/07/11/google-runs-out-of-disk-space-floods-inboxes-with-notification/16:18
PalaPadLol oimon16:27
davmor2oimon: you need to take that feeling and record it for posterity for when you get back to a sane desktop environment :D16:49
* czajkowski kicks davmor2 oi don't even dream of starting! 17:12
AlanBellpopey: did you get 3d titles going on openshot?17:38
davmor2czajkowski: Prod what Prod17:38
BigRedSthere was talk of on-site (or near-site) camping for ogg camp; anyone know if it's been arranged at all?18:17
AlanBellyes18:19
AlanBellping me later18:19
dutchieyay, a camping buddy18:20
BigRedSOh, awesome18:22
popeyAlanBell: yes, I did, but didn't like them18:33
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suprengrpopey, thanks a lot for email help yesterday - can't believe you took time out to sort the resolution so quickly - hero!19:03
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popeysuprengr: np19:21
matti;]19:33
AlanBellI went to the London Hack space today20:30
AlanBellgave them a bunch of CDs20:30
* popey hands gord a http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sP4NMoJcFd420:36
MartijnVdSpopey: they used that app on a radio show last friday20:39
MartijnVdSpopey: lots of hilarity ensued (they recorded a piece of the evening news from TV and songified it)20:40
popeyheh20:40
MartijnVdShttp://soundcloud.com/rfi-1-1/de-tweede-kamer20:40
timh_1Any ideas for a gmail checker that works with priority inbox.20:42
MartijnVdStimh_1: Chromium, Firefox20:42
timh_1I mean a checker like - gmail checker that pops up in the notification area20:42
timh_1There are lots but cant find one that only checks priority inbox20:43
MartijnVdSI don't get enough mail to properly use PI, sorry20:43
* BigRedS wonders if it's later enough to prod AlanBell about camping :)20:45
AlanBellyes, come and camp in my garden20:47
AlanBellenjoy the soothing clucking sounds of the countryside20:48
BigRedSOh, cool :)20:48
BigRedSawesome, cheers!20:48
AlanBellBBQ available20:49
AlanBelland house facilities20:49
BigRedSI'll have been camping for a week and a bit beforehand - those'll feel weird :)20:49
AlanBellwell you can dig a hole and bury it if you prefer20:50
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BigRedShaha!20:50
AlanBellactually, no you can't20:50
BigRedSI was beginning to wonder, but wasn't sure how you'd take me asking...20:51
AlanBellooh woking, change train time o/20:51
AlanBellyay, my cunning train plan worked20:58
BigRedSaha, handy20:58
BigRedSI don;t think I've ever succesfully navigated the rail network by myself20:59
BigRedSsomething always goes wrong...20:59
* StevenR always finds buses difficult21:00
StevenRtrains, I find easy.21:00
AlanBellI missed the train I wanted, but caught a fast one to woking which overtook the slow one, so now I am on a train I missed :)21:00
StevenR(took the train to school for 7 years)21:00
StevenRAlanBell: woot21:00
BigRedSAha, cunning21:01
BigRedSOh, busses. I've not attempted those in a long time21:01
ubuntuuk-planet[Matthew East] Canonical Copyright Assignment - http://www.mdke.org/?p=11122:11
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