[01:56] <greg-g> rick_h_: awesome!
[01:57] <greg-g> rick_h_: and yeah, just because they offered and sent a follow-up email saying "why haven't you requested yours yet, it hurts our feelings"
[01:57] <rick_h_> ah, cool
[12:04] <snap-l> Good morning, gentle-folk
[12:05] <rick_h_> morning
[12:06] <brousch> i worked 2.5 days out of the last 10. vacation is over :(
[12:06] <rick_h_> ugh
[12:07] <snap-l> Welcome back? :)
[12:11] <brousch> you are too chipper today
[12:11] <snap-l> Not really
[12:11] <rick_h_> going to be a hot one :(
[12:11] <snap-l> But compared with yesterday, today should be better.
[12:12] <brousch> who cares, i'm inside an air conditioned building
[12:12] <snap-l> rick_h_: I found your new keyboard: http://www.amazon.com/Logitech-Wireless-Solar-Keyboard-K750/dp/B004MF11MU
[12:12] <snap-l> and it's on sale today only, too.
[12:13] <rick_h_> yea, I saw this thing
[12:13] <rick_h_> but I don't get it
[12:13] <rick_h_> going to have crappy keys
[12:13] <snap-l> Dude, it's SOLAR.
[12:13] <rick_h_> and I hate wireless input
[12:13] <snap-l> Totally Green, hippie tech
[12:13] <snap-l> Gives you a place to put your peicils
[12:14] <snap-l> Tactile feedback. Pshaw.
[12:15] <snap-l> Of course if you live in a cave like most developers, your keyboard will die about 15 minutes after unboxing. ;)
[12:15] <snap-l> unless it can charge from the glow of your monitor.
[12:15] <nullspace> oh yeah unity hates to run on my system
[12:16] <rick_h_> that's ok, it hates everyone
[12:16] <snap-l> I kinda like it
[12:16] <nullspace> well at least it's an equal oppertunity hater
[12:17] <snap-l> though the dock on the side needs a "please go away, you're obscuring the side of libreoffice" button
[12:17] <nullspace> I wouldn't know it just hoses X for me because I have a 7300 GPU
[12:18] <snap-l> You need a new computer. ;)
[12:18] <snap-l> Just use that as a DNS server.
[12:19] <nullspace> that sounds like some marketing plan by another company I know, didn't balmer say that same thing
[12:19] <snap-l> No, he said "rabble rabble blargh BAZINGA"
[12:19] <snap-l> Which roughly translates to "please help me keep my job"
[12:20] <nullspace> and give me more booze
[12:20] <snap-l> You haven't studied Ballmer-ese
[12:20] <snap-l> Give me more booze is "developers developers developers"
[12:21] <snap-l> adding the fourth "developers" means "please give me more booze for I am sweaty"
[12:22] <snap-l> Never thought I'd say this, but I miss Bill Gates as the head of Microsoft
[12:22] <snap-l> at least he gave the company some testicles to kick
[12:27] <brousch> i just looked outside and it's darker than when i woke up this morning
[12:27] <brousch> way darker
[12:51] <snap-l> brousch: You're supposed to get storms today.
[12:52] <brousch> we are
[12:52] <snap-l> And so are we. :)
[12:52] <snap-l> Should be nice and comfy with 92F storms. ;)
[13:17] <Wolfger> but they bring cooler weather with them
[13:17] <Wolfger> or behind them
[13:18] <snap-l> Yes, yes they doo
[13:18] <snap-l> which is why I'm not complaining too hard.
[14:17] <snap-l> http://outloud.fm/moshpit
[15:20] <rick_h_> yummy, monitor reorg time
[15:20] <snap-l> yay!
[15:21] <snap-l> I <3 conference calls
[15:22] <snap-l> So completely silly right now
[15:23] <rick_h_> fun fun fun
[15:26] <rick_h_> https://twitter.com/#!/tkadlec/status/90411122817118208
[15:26] <rick_h_> wow
[15:26] <snap-l> That's pretty cool
[15:26] <snap-l> And sad, because IIRC that was the LISP course, correct?
[15:30] <greg-g> :( I miss Lisp
[15:31] <greg-g> probably just in a "oh, the good ole days of undergrad" kind of way
[15:32] <snap-l> I have several books of lisp on my shelf
[15:32] <snap-l> should really get them out someday.
[15:32] <snap-l> someday.
[15:32] <snap-l> someday.
[15:32] <snap-l> I say that a lot.
[15:33] <greg-g> ditto
[15:42] <Wolfger> ditto
[15:43] <Wolfger> Like "someday I should learn Python"
[15:43] <Wolfger> "someday I should learn C"
[15:43] <Wolfger> "someday I should sit my butt down and start writing an app"
[15:43] <Wolfger> someday, I'm gonna be awesome.
[15:46] <brousch> sameday, you'll be dead!
[15:46] <brousch> hm, not what i intended, but ok
[15:52] <rick_h_> I think everyone does, there's too much stuff these days
[15:52] <rick_h_> was listening to a podcast where they got talking how just web development has moved from the one guy you'd hire to do you whole company site
[15:52] <rick_h_> to a team of specialists and applications layered in crazy fasion
[15:53] <rick_h_> things just get more and more involved and complicated and just trying to keep up somewhere is crazy
[16:06] <snap-l> rick_h_: Yeah, I tend to agree, though I'm not sure it's as complicated as some folks make it out to be
[16:06] <snap-l> at the end of the day it's all about getting bits from one location to another
[16:07] <snap-l> I was on a call where they were hyperventilating about adding JSON support to one of our products
[16:07] <rick_h_> meh, it's a lot out there
[16:07] <snap-l> and I'm thinking "You already sling XML out this thing. Unless you're doing something crazy stupid, throwing out JSON shouldn't be that dificult"
[16:07] <rick_h_> hahahahahahahaha
[16:08] <rick_h_> except that xml allows for much more complicated stuctures than json
[16:08] <snap-l> But then again, it's Java-based so lord knows what gyrations you'd need
[16:08] <rick_h_> the reverse would be true, but going from xml -> json might not even be possible
[16:08] <snap-l> rick_h_: I doubt it. It's essentially key-value pairs
[16:08] <rick_h_> ok, yea I mean if it's simple data
[16:08] <rick_h_> but some places have a lot more
[16:09] <rick_h_> think about xml attribs for instance
[16:09] <snap-l> just sprinkle some SOAP so Java can auto-cope.
[16:09] <rick_h_> json has no home for them
[16:09] <snap-l> True
[16:10] <snap-l> I'm firmly in the camp that Java and the auto-tools they use are setting back computer-development about 20 years
[16:11] <snap-l> People don't think anymore about what they're using; they just point their IDE at some URL and expect code to just happen.
[16:11] <snap-l> Which is all fine and good once you understand what's happening underneath
[16:12] <snap-l> [insert standard rant about not being able to build Java code without Eclipse here]
[16:14] <snap-l> https://twitter.com/#!/CRREdwards/statuses/90449814415872000 <- Snicker.
[16:35] <_stink_> getting daaarrrkk
[16:36] <Wolfger> round 2 of the storm?
[16:36] <_stink_> looks like it
[16:37] <_stink_> didn't really get much of a round one up here
[16:38] <greg-g> yeah, no round 1 here, but what just happened as round 2 was crazy. It was almost as dark as night
[17:08] <Wolfger> CNN needs more poll options. Like "Yes", "No", and "Don't be stupid."
[17:15] <snap-l> Wolfger: You expect people online to not be stupid?
[17:15] <snap-l> Bwahahahaha
[17:16] <jcastro> rick_h_: hah, so we craigslisted our fish tank
[17:16] <jcastro> and this dude came over
[17:16] <jcastro> and he misread so he thought I was giving him my entire kit for $35
[17:16] <jcastro> I'm like no dude, $350.
[17:16] <jcastro> he's like "oh, well bye."
[17:16] <snap-l> Fuckin' Craigslist
[17:17] <jcastro> well, we have emails with him
[17:17] <jcastro> he just didn't read I guess
[17:17] <jcastro> it's like yes dude, you're getting this huge entire aquarium setup with everything including the kickass substrate for growing plants for thirty five bucks.
[17:17] <Wolfger> snap-l: No, I expect CNN to not be stupid. Which I admit is nearly as laughable an idea...
[17:18] <Wolfger> Thanks, jcastro, for that excellent example of stupid people on the internet. :-)
[17:18] <rick_h_> jcastro: lol
[17:18] <rick_h_> well sucky
[17:20] <snap-l> jcastro: yeah, that sucks
[17:21] <jcastro> I more want it gone so I can go bigger next time. :)
[17:21] <jcastro> just doesn't make sense to set it up in a place where I will only be a year
[17:21] <rick_h_> uh oh, jcastro has the bug
[17:21] <snap-l> Yeah, no kidding
[17:21] <rick_h_> yea, I'm dying to set mine back up
[17:21] <rick_h_> the boy loves watching fish at the stores/etc
[17:21] <snap-l> I want to get back into keeping up an aquarium
[17:22] <rick_h_> think I'll start it back up this fall when the yard duties cut down
[17:22] <snap-l> but right now isn't the best time to be dumping money into fish
[17:22] <rick_h_> snap-l: yea, everything going ok with the relocation project?
[17:22] <brousch> maybe you should invest in fish you can eat when they get too big
[17:22] <brousch> or maybe sardines
[17:22] <brousch> instead of tropical foofoo fish
[17:22] <snap-l> rick_h_: It goes. I think he's settling in
[17:23] <snap-l> but his TV is jacked, and he wants cable and ...
[17:23] <rick_h_> ah, gotcha
[17:24] <snap-l> Hell, I told him I'd put Dirty Jobs in the DVD player on repeat
[17:24] <snap-l> same thing as cable
[17:24] <brousch> start a new movement: The Patriot Aquarium
[17:24] <brousch> like the patriot gardens
[17:28] <Wolfger> Invest in sushi. Freshly caught and cut. :-)
[17:29] <snap-l> Heh
[17:33] <brousch> wow, the end of the first answer http://malaysia.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20100403214603AADijSp
[17:35] <snap-l> heh
[17:35] <rick_h_> ok, thanks for destroying my lunch appetite
[17:36] <snap-l> I'm having trouble getting a VM to work on this X120e.
[17:36] <snap-l> Hoping that creating it on another machine will fix  things
[17:37] <snap-l> bloody hell
[17:37] <snap-l> something about virtualbox is not happy here.
[17:37] <brousch> virtualbox --
[17:37] <brousch> vmware is more stable
[17:38] <_stink_> yahoo answers, classic.
[17:38] <snap-l> WEll, even so, VB works on my other machine
[17:38] <_stink_> "someone i know ate a goldfish and said it was nasty"
[17:38] <snap-l> this won't even boot up 10.04.02 LTS server without panicking.
[17:38] <snap-l> Bad RIP value
[17:39] <snap-l> and apparently is bad enough to try to kill INIT
[17:43] <brousch> http://www.ehow.com/how_5942884_breed-sardines.html
[18:43] <snap-l> http://www.metalinjection.net/show-recap/soundgarden-ultramega-comeback-tour
[18:54] <rick_h_> snap-l: http://ditrw.com/booktorious/
[19:01] <brousch> nice
[19:02] <snap-l> It's taking a while to load
[19:02] <brousch> kindle is the iphone of ereaders. locked in, took off quickly at first, but now android (nook color) is taking the lead
[19:02] <snap-l> though ePub is a very friendly format
[19:02] <rick_h_> what did you do? load up the big game epub things that choke other ereaders :P
[19:02] <rick_h_> brousch: I think you've got some rose colored glasses there
[19:03] <rick_h_> nook color isn't taking off anywhere atm, the new nook is e-ink and rated "on par" with kindle
[19:03] <snap-l> rick_h_: No, I loaded up Miles, Mutants and Microbes from Baen
[19:03] <rick_h_> not that they've jumped ahead or anything
[19:04] <brousch> "Nook color dethrones Kindle as most popular ereader" http://dvice.com/archives/2011/07/nook-color-is-t.php
[19:05] <brousch> rick_h_: what wifi tether app do you use? whatever you were using last year is better than anything i've found
[19:05] <rick_h_> just the baked in OS
[19:05] <rick_h_> never used a tether app
[19:06] <snap-l> brousch: Wait a sec, I'll put up some shit site that says that the Kobo just ate Amazon and shit nooks
[19:06] <rick_h_> wtf http://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20110708005437/en/Media-Tablet-Sales-Lag-Optimistic-Quarter-Targets
[19:06] <rick_h_> did you read the real article?
[19:06] <brousch> no way. i was raised on /.
[19:07] <brousch> i don't read past a headline
[19:07] <snap-l> There's no numbers
[19:07] <rick_h_> nothing at all, no source, everything is analyist "expectations"
[19:08] <snap-l> What we have here is some serious pony-wishing
[19:08] <rick_h_> no kidding
[19:09] <rick_h_> someone's making some $$ on link-bait
[19:09] <rick_h_> http://hothardware.com/News/NOOK-Color-Passes-the-Kindle-Among-eReaders/
[19:09] <rick_h_> article is almost all ipad, lots of in-body ads for you to click on
[19:10] <snap-l> Welcome to the echochamber
[19:11] <rick_h_> welcome to the BS chamber
[19:12] <snap-l> come come now, rick_h_, you should know that just by posting crap on the internet, it magicall becomes true
[19:13] <snap-l> witness the birth of pasta fetishism.
[19:13] <brousch> NOOK 4 LIFE. KINDLE CAN DIAF
[19:13] <rick_h_> this one guy, he said that he thought the kobo was the bestest e-reader evar! Nook + Kindle are baby beaters
[19:13] <rick_h_> so I bought stock in kobo
[19:14] <snap-l> Just like all of the people who said that any day now people would realize the brilliance of OS/2
[19:15] <snap-l> and now we're basking in OS/2's incredible marketshare
[19:15] <snap-l> OS/2 Vista and OS/2 7
[19:15] <rick_h_> have you seen all that linux news? it's the most popular. If you do a google trends it's much higher than windows :P
[19:15] <brousch> finally
[19:17] <snap-l> Well yeah... "how do I run Windows games on my Linux computer" has to be the biggest FAQ of them all.
[19:18] <snap-l> Followed by "how do I run Windows games on my Ubuntu"
[19:18] <rick_h_> actually number one search is "WTF is with all these linux asshats?"
[19:19] <snap-l> "I installed Linux on my talkie the talking toaster and now all it does is make me crumpets. I can't get it to make toast anymore"
[19:19] <snap-l> "Crumpets are better than toast anyway"
[19:19] <snap-l> "But I wanted toast"
[19:20] <snap-l> "I installed  a patch, and now I can get English Muffins, but still no toast"
[19:21] <snap-l> "Well, after following a 3 page Ubuntu Forums post, now my toaster tells me to fuck off in Swedish. At least it sounds like Swedish, but I'm not sure. Can someone please help?"
[19:21] <_stink_> "I tried the above commands, and i bricked my toaster.  Can you help me."
[19:21] <snap-l> "Idiot, talkie the talking toaster doesn't know Swedish. It can't be saying anything in Swedish."
[19:22] <snap-l> "OK, after 3 updates, 12 patches, and the threat of violence, my toaster ran away last night. Please help me, as I don't have enough money for a new toaster. Answers to the name 'Nigel'"
[19:24] <snap-l> "Thank you for your bug report. We have moved from Natty Nutella to Oblong Orange Marmalade, and are closing your bug report. Have a nice day!"
[19:26] <rick_h_> get it all out :P
[19:26] <rick_h_> so went and got the mail, it's not currently 94...that's a nice suprise
[19:27] <snap-l> Yeah, but the humidity is 94%
[19:27] <snap-l> at least
[20:37] <snap-l> jcastro: Is Scrabble Free better than Word Feud?
[20:37] <jcastro> it's about the same
[20:37] <jcastro> but the squares are in the right place
[20:38] <jcastro> i wish they had a pay version, hate these ads.
[20:39] <jcastro> it has real push notifications, and a dictionary
[20:39] <jcastro> there are some nice things, other things are ok
[20:39] <jcastro> wordfeud is faster I think
[20:39] <snap-l> Yeah, that's what I'm finding
[20:39] <snap-l> I can almost play real-time with Wordfeud
[20:39] <jcastro> yeah
[20:39] <jcastro> this isn't slow
[20:40] <jcastro> I prefer real scrabble since it's the same as the board game
[20:41] <snap-l> I thought you'd prefer Wordfeud because they give you all the vowels, and me all of the consonants. :)
[20:41] <jcastro> heh
[20:41] <snap-l> Couldn't make a fucking word for the beginning of the last game.
[20:41] <snap-l> I'm going to drain out my Words With Friends, and stick with Word Feud
[20:43] <jcastro> yeah for sure WwF is junk, not sure I will stay with wordfued yet
[20:44] <jcastro> it's kind of important to me to play the real scrabble as I play the real game all the time
[20:44] <jcastro> so this doesn't have to be better than wordfeud, just not terrible enough
[20:44] <jcastro> hahah, the android motto: It only needs to not be totally horrible
[20:44] <snap-l> jcastro: We should play a game with random placement
[20:44] <snap-l> that'll sharpen ya. ;)
[20:59] <greg-g> rick_h_: I got my replacement charger in the mail (and it works!). When will I see you in person next?
[21:46] <snap-l> I <3 that there's a catdvi
[21:56] <Blazeix> anyone know of a really good noob HTML/CSS tutorial? I need to find one for an intern, and I really don't want to point him to w3schools or tizag...
[22:05] <Blazeix> hm, I think I remember htmldog not being terrible, maybe I'll send him that.
[22:41] <gamerchick02> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1798769 has anyone in here had this issue? no reply from S76. i'm thinking of calling them tomorrow afternoon.
[22:54] <Blazeix> weird, you'd think someone from S76 would at least acknowledge you.
[22:55] <gamerchick02> yeah
[22:55] <gamerchick02> unless they're all on vacation.
[23:35] <gamerchick02> i did get a reply. isantop was on vacation. heh