[07:03] <tumbleweed> reminder: http://ubuntu-news.org/2011/07/04/get-ready-for-ubuntu-developer-week-2/
[07:20] <kbmonkey> ah thanks for that tumbleweed 
[07:26] <Kilos> morning superfly kbmonkey nuvolari and others
[07:26] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee on
[07:26]  * Maaz puts the kettle on
[07:26] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee for all
[07:26] <Maaz> Come on ya buncha geeks. Rock up with your mugs with the correct amount of sugar added already
[07:27] <Kilos> Maaz, with milk
[07:27] <Maaz> Yay Kilos You aren't one of those skinny guys that needs to drink black coffee to cast a shadow
[07:28] <Squirm> Maaz: coffee please
[07:28] <Maaz> Squirm: Sure
[07:28] <Squirm> mmmmm
[07:28] <Squirm> morning
[07:28] <superfly> morning Kilos
[07:28] <Kilos> hiya Squirm 
[07:29] <Kilos> grrrr
[07:29] <Kilos> vodacom got a 20% signal strenght again today
[07:30] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos and Squirm!
[07:31] <Kilos> Maaz, thanks man
[07:31] <Maaz> Kilos It gives me great pleasure to serve a bunch of geeks :-)
[07:31] <Squirm> MTN 3GB UNCAPPED
[07:31] <Squirm> ...
[07:32] <Squirm> that makes perfect sense
[07:32] <Squirm> then they cap you at 40Gb after hours
[07:32] <Squirm> surely thats something like false advertising?
[07:33] <Kilos> lol and how much for the uncapped bundle
[07:33] <Squirm> R300
[07:33] <Tonberry> 40gb a month or per day?
[07:33] <Squirm> 3Gb for peak times, 40Gb for off-peak
[07:33] <Squirm> 40Gb a month
[07:33] <Tonberry> and they call it uncapped?
[07:33] <Squirm> yep
[07:33] <Tonberry> dont we have laws about these things
[07:33] <Tonberry> ?
[07:34] <Squirm> the package is "MTN 3GB UNCAPPED"
[07:34] <Squirm> and there's "MTN 10GB UNCAPPED", 10Gb peak, 40gb off-peak
[07:34] <Squirm> Tonberry: thats what I though
[07:36] <Tonberry> “Once the 3GB and or 10GB fair use limit has been reached, the connection speed will be reduced to 128kbps for the user for the remainder of the month. Users will still be able to access the internet and download content, it will just take a bit longer,” MTN explained.
[07:36] <Tonberry> that is how they get past it
[07:36] <Tonberry> they just shape you to death
[07:37] <Squirm> but they still cap you
[07:37] <kbmonkey> awe I'm going to miss the opening UDW session
[07:37] <Squirm> Uncapped != Capped
[07:37] <Squirm> oh
[07:37] <Squirm> Tonberry: I get it
[07:39] <Tonberry> but 128k is pretty damn bad
[07:39] <Kilos> mtn sucks here. this tower is only an edge tower
[07:40] <Kilos> so never gets close to 128k/s anyway
[07:40] <Squirm> yeah, im on 384k line with access, R200 for data
[07:40] <Tonberry> edge can do 128k
[07:40] <Squirm> but that would be mobile broadband
[07:40] <Tonberry> thats only 16KB/s
[07:41] <Squirm> *We used the theoretical download maximum of 16 bytes per second over a 30 day period to calculate MTN’s lowest possible per-MB pricing.
[07:41] <Kilos> is it not all mobile broadband Tonberry 
[07:41] <Tonberry> no that it is not
[07:41] <Squirm> 8ta, you get 10Gb a month for R200
[07:42] <Tonberry> http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showthread.php/348942-MTN-s-new-uncapped-broadband-pricing-compared
[07:42] <Squirm> and 10Gb peak and 10Gb off-peak for R300
[07:42] <Kilos> my modem and fone work with mobile broadband in nm
[07:42] <Squirm> Tonberry: yeah, thats where im at
[07:47] <nuvolari> moring oom Kilos, Squirm, kbmonkey, Tonberry 
[07:47] <nuvolari> everyone else
[07:49] <kbmonkey> hello daar
[07:50] <Kilos> whois daar
[07:50] <Kilos> hehe
[07:50] <Kilos> havent seen him here before
[07:50] <nuvolari>  % whois daar                                     
[07:50] <nuvolari> No whois server is known for this kind of object.
[07:50] <nuvolari>  % whois daar                                     
[07:50] <nuvolari> No whois server is known for this kind of object.
[07:50] <nuvolari> oops
[07:50] <nuvolari> sorry
[07:50]  * superfly whacks nuvolari over the head
[07:50] <Kilos> you gotta /whois
[07:50] <Kilos> lol
[07:51] <nuvolari> I said sorry
[07:51] <Kilos> lol
[07:51] <nuvolari> :'(
[07:52] <Kilos> you may whack me too superfly  but not onna head
[07:52] <Kilos> lo DraZoro 
[07:52] <DraZoro> Hi Kilos 
[07:52] <superfly> Kilos: that's OK, you've been whacked enough ;-)
[07:52] <Kilos> lol ty
[07:52] <superfly> I figure the last whack you had to the head was good enough to last you the rest of your life ;-)
[07:53] <kbmonkey> ha ha you people are nuts
[07:53] <Kilos> yeah
[07:53] <Kilos> kbmonkey, you dont know about my whach onna head?
[07:53] <Kilos> whack
[07:54] <kbmonkey> nuvolari, start the lpi setup this week, yes? ;)
[07:54] <kbmonkey> who wacked you over the head Kilos?
[07:54] <Kilos> a windmill
[07:54] <Kilos> you think i was always so doff
[07:55] <Kilos> sent me to the happy hunting grounds
[07:56] <Kilos> superfly, hows the family?
[07:56] <superfly> Kilos: they're fine thanks
[07:57] <Kilos> great
[07:58]  * kbmonkey thinks i need to move my whole rig into the sunny lounge
[07:58] <Kilos> sun is good
[07:59] <Kilos> from behind the pc or you cant see the screen
[08:10] <Kilos> kbmonkey,  itried to single out the relevant page for you
[08:10] <Kilos> http://mileyssignificantblog.blogspot.com/2010/01/pain-of-my-life.html
[08:10] <Kilos> lo sdehaan 
[08:10] <nuvolari> kbmonkey: affirmative
[08:11] <nuvolari> time?
[08:11] <nuvolari> date/time
[08:11] <kbmonkey> Ill have a read Kilos :)
[08:12] <kbmonkey> no date/time nuvolari, work with your own schedule, we have different times now eh? ;)
[08:13] <kbmonkey> ie this week we setup the environment - ill send an email about this
[08:14] <superfly> kbmonkey, nuvolari?
[08:15] <kbmonkey> we working through LPI material superfly 
[08:15] <kbmonkey> you keen?
[08:15] <superfly> ah, ok
[08:15] <superfly> not really, I don't have time for it
[08:15] <superfly> i.e. I'd love to, but I don't have time
[08:16] <kbmonkey> well we'll keep it easy and people can work at their own pace
[08:17] <kbmonkey> those of us who can, will work more, and just help others with questions :)
[08:27] <nuvolari> it's a pretty heavy document
[08:29] <kbmonkey> nah, just a lot of it. one section at a time should do it :)
[08:31] <Kilos> nuvolari, kbmonkey where you guys gonna do it
[08:31] <kbmonkey> right here Kilos :p
[08:31] <Kilos> how big is the download of the document?
[08:32] <kbmonkey> the exams we can write at prometric testing centers, so when we ready we can plan a exam date
[08:32] <kbmonkey> are you on the ubuntu za mailing list kilos?
[08:32] <Kilos> i just wanna learn not write exams
[08:32] <Kilos> yip
[08:32] <kbmonkey> of course kilos, thats a great idea - free knowledge!
[08:34] <kbmonkey> Kilos, https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-za/2011-July/008025.html
[08:35] <Kilos> how big is the download kb
[08:35] <kbmonkey> let me check
[08:35] <Kilos> GRR
[08:35] <kbmonkey> its a pdf, 4.2MB
[08:35] <kbmonkey> the link for it is on this page: http://www.linuxcertification.co.za/lpi-study-manual
[08:36] <Kilos> ow
[08:36] <Kilos> lemme work something out
[08:36] <kbmonkey> I can gz it for you to 3.8MB :p
[08:36] <kbmonkey> you have a low limit Kilos? 3g is pricey hey
[08:37] <Kilos> yeah i am trying to stretch 100m over a month
[08:37] <Kilos> thats why i dont browse
[08:38] <Kilos> just here pidgin and mails
[08:39] <kbmonkey> sjoe, that is 3.3 MB a day allowance :(
[08:40] <Kilos> lol yeah
[08:40] <Kilos> thats why i miss a week or so every month
[08:40] <kbmonkey> that is a ridiculous option from a isp - have those people no brains, no morals?
[08:41] <Kilos> it came with a modem ian bought and left for me
[08:41] <Kilos> lol
[08:42] <Kilos> thats why i said last night it would be nice to find a port to them to miss the counter
[08:43] <Kilos> not the modem the sim. his modem is very fulla
[08:43] <Kilos> mine works hacked and all
[08:44] <Kilos> the fly says i going to hell for that
[08:44] <Kilos> lol
[08:45] <kbmonkey> ha ha - isee
[08:45] <Kilos> but we just threaten him with super doom
[08:46] <kbmonkey> we need to send you a care package 
[08:46] <Kilos> with grandpa powders
[08:46] <Kilos> hehe
[08:46] <kbmonkey> and rusks
[08:46] <Kilos> hehe
[08:50] <Kilos> i go get the manual now. if i disappear blame voda.
[08:51] <kbmonkey> lets see if we can chop the file up to smaller bits for you kilos
[08:52] <Kilos> must i click the free ebook one not the old syllabus
[08:52] <Kilos> the new 100m comes tomorrow kbmonkey 
[08:52] <kbmonkey> yes kilos only the new syllabus link
[08:52] <Kilos> ok i will get it
[08:52] <Kilos> ty
[08:53] <kbmonkey> they release the material in versions just like software, the top is the latest version
[08:53] <kbmonkey> right-click and "save as"
[08:54] <Kilos> im set up to save every download to desktop
[08:54] <Kilos> i use epiphany
[08:54] <Kilos> not a ff fan
[08:57] <kbmonkey> you're more clever than the avg user Kilos ! ;P
[08:57] <Kilos> lol
[08:59] <Kilos> oo this is for trainers
[08:59] <Kilos> experts
[08:59] <kbmonkey> I doubt 100mb will last on windows long 
[09:00] <kbmonkey> its a book for both learners and trainers Kilos :)
[09:00] <Kilos> it didnt
[09:00] <Kilos> luckily when i first cot online boet helped with 2g a month
[09:01] <kbmonkey> which is great cos you can ignore the training parts, but they will help teach skills so you can hep other users easier ;)
[09:01] <Kilos> yeah thats great
[09:02] <Kilos> i think i gonna enjoy this
[09:02] <Kilos> i normally give the wrong help
[09:02] <kbmonkey> what other linuxes do you have with you?
[09:02] <kbmonkey> like on cd or iso?
[09:02] <Kilos> only ubuntu
[09:02] <Kilos> all ubuntu from 8.10
[09:03] <kbmonkey> the study works with CentOS, but you can easily get away with any other distro
[09:04] <Kilos> anything that helps broaden the knowledge base is good
[09:05] <Kilos> i just save hundreds of docs for going back to. to get the correct commands etc
[09:05] <kbmonkey> If you want i can see about sending you some discs
[09:06] <Kilos> of what 
[09:06] <Kilos> other distros?
[09:08] <kbmonkey> yes, ubuntu 11.04, CentOS, 
[09:09] <kbmonkey> william has ubuntu repos so if we can sort you those, you could install any app in the repo without internet ;)
[09:09] <Kilos> i have 11.04 but the data to do upgrades etc is the killer
[09:09] <Kilos> without internet sounds good
[09:09] <kbmonkey> i think the repos are like 20Gb
[09:09] <kbmonkey> but those usb disks are like cheap now - should fit fine
[09:09] <Kilos> thats many cd's
[09:10] <Kilos> dont have a dvd
[09:10] <Kilos> oh usb
[09:10] <Kilos> do you get them so big?
[09:11] <Kilos> lol i thought my 2g one was big
[09:11] <kbmonkey> hey let's strap the usb disk to a carrier pidgeon
[09:11] <Kilos> hehe
[09:13] <Kilos> Superhuman, wb
[09:14] <Superhuman> thanks, new quasselcore
[09:15] <Kilos> ah
[09:23] <Kilos> kbmonkey, will i be able to install centos alongside my maverick without causing hassles
[09:24] <kbmonkey> that depends on how your disk is partitioned Kilos 
[09:24] <kbmonkey> a better alternative is to use a virtual machine to run centos and leave your existing install
[09:25] <Kilos> whew will have to learn about virtual machines first
[09:47] <Kilos> uh oh netsplits again
[09:47] <inetpro> eish
[09:47] <Kilos> môre inetpro 
[09:48] <Kilos> we can sing hibananana
[09:49] <inetpro> hi Kilos
[09:50] <inetpro> wb morgs, nuvolari
[09:51] <morgs> aloha
[09:51] <nuvolari> :? watz happening?
[09:51] <nuvolari> thanks inetpro 
[09:52] <inetpro> nuvolari: 11/07 11:47:08 <Kilos> uh oh netsplits again
[09:52]  * apie don't like doing the splits. unless it's banana splits.
[09:52] <inetpro> I guess you didn't see that
[09:53] <Kilos> hehe
[09:54] <inetpro> superfly: good morning, what's with your connection?
[09:54] <superfly> inetpro: I doubt it's my connection
[09:54] <superfly> it's Freenode's IRC server
[09:54] <superfly> it does that... I've seen it happen to tons of other people
[09:55] <inetpro> ahh, so you just part of the split?
[09:55] <superfly> "No Ping reply in 180 seconds."
[09:55] <superfly> there's a 180 seconds version, and a 260 seconds version
[11:26] <marcog> Maaz: https://twitter.com/marcog/statuses/90371440808955904
[11:26] <Maaz> marcog: marcog: "Stellenbosch dev dinner tonight http://goo.gl/VFlfr & Cape Town nerdy food meetup at @kniferestaurant on Wed http://goo.gl/L0dJR all welcome"
[11:34] <superfly> inetpro: ping
[11:34] <Tonberry> eh?
[12:11] <inetpro> superfly: pong
[12:17] <ghostknife> ven
[12:34] <Kilos> ven vat
[12:34] <Kilos> lo ghostknife 
[13:22] <Kilos> Guest99737, hi
[13:24] <Kilos> sigh
[13:24] <Kilos> maybe he dont speeka da english
[14:44] <apie> wb Kilos 
[14:45] <apie> I read your story, that must have been some nasty whack you had! ouch :(
[14:45] <Kilos> lol
[14:45] <Kilos> yeah its still hurting 13 years kater
[14:46] <Kilos> hehe
[14:46] <Kilos> thats why the fly says he wont wahack me more
[14:46] <Kilos> whack
[14:46] <Kilos> he has a soft heart
[14:46] <Kilos> that book is great
[14:47] <Kilos> very informative
[14:47] <Kilos> woulda been nice when i first started
[14:48] <Kilos> will take me months to get through it though
[14:48] <Kilos> and a hundred years to learn
[14:49] <apie> the only whacks we give here are |'s
[14:49] <apie> \'s are badwhacks
[14:50] <Kilos> ?? whats that apie 
[14:50] <apie> the pipe is also called a whack :)
[14:50] <Kilos> oh is | a whack
[14:50] <apie> | <- that thing
[14:50] <apie> # = crunch
[14:50] <apie> ! = bang
[14:50] <apie> | = whack
[14:50] <Kilos> hard to find that thing everytime i great 303
[14:51] <Kilos> you didnt read the rest of the blog
[14:51] <Kilos> lol
[14:51] <Kilos> i got one eye too and have to look what i type
[14:52] <Kilos> tried typing courses but fingers cant bend like3 that
[14:52] <apie> I will read the rest of your story :)
[14:52] <Kilos> maybe i will add you in my next blog
[14:53] <apie> I need to go practice at ninja school now though -- be back later oom Kilos!
[14:53] <Kilos> cool enjoy ans sweat some
[14:53] <apie> ja we always sweat there -- a lot!
[14:54] <apie> got punched in the snozzle last time. sure does hurt when this cold
[14:54] <Kilos> but great fun and healthy exercise
[14:55] <apie> sure is! esp when one's not milking cows and plowing the land, we have to do something instead ;D
[14:55] <Kilos> lol
[14:55] <Kilos> i also had a few broken bones
[14:55] <Kilos> but thats how you learn
[15:17] <ghostknife> Kilos: didn't see your greet. hi.
[15:18] <ghostknife> Kilos: btw, I noticed now my "ven". It was during autojoins. I tried typing "/join #maven". weechat's dedicated channel buffers are irritating sometimes.
[15:22] <Kilos> lol np
[15:23] <Kilos> you have just moved outa the lurker category for a while
[15:23] <Kilos> now just to get our Guest36050 to say something
[15:31] <ghostknife> :)
[15:31] <ghostknife> ^ skype habbit (one liner emotes)
[15:32] <ghostknife> either way, off to home
[15:32] <Kilos> cheeras ghostknife 
[15:32] <ghostknife> I tried to say hi to nuvolari. he's off. so flood ping him on my behalf when he gets back.
[15:32] <Kilos> will do
[15:33] <Kilos> Maaz, tell nuvolari ghostknife flood pings him , whatever that might be
[15:33] <Maaz> Kilos: Okay, I'll tell nuvolari on freenode
[15:48] <tumbleweed> reminder ubuntu developer week about to kick off http://ubuntu-news.org/2011/07/04/get-ready-for-ubuntu-developer-week-2/ (i'll shut up now)
[15:54] <drubin> tumbleweed: please don't
[15:54] <drubin> tumbleweed: this channel is supposed to be for that.
[16:05] <tumbleweed> drubin: :)
[16:40] <nuvolari> :O
[16:40] <Maaz> nuvolari: By the way, Kilos on freenode told me "tell nuvolari ghostknife flood pings him , whatever that might be" 1 hour, 7 minutes and 5 seconds ago
[16:41] <nuvolari> bleh.
[16:41] <nuvolari> missed him
[16:41] <Kerbero> #ubuntu-classroom
[16:41] <nuvolari> eh?
[16:41] <Kerbero> just typing so that i remember
[16:41] <Kerbero> :P
[16:42] <Kerbero> that channel == https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDeveloperWeek
[16:43] <Kilos> whats happening in the classroom
[16:48] <Kerbero> Q&A it seems
[16:48] <Kilos> i see ty Kerbero 
[16:48] <Kerbero> maar ek het nie nou krag om al daai goed te lees nie
[16:48] <Kilos> lol
[16:49] <Kerbero> enige website wat langer as 'n paragraaf is is te lank
[16:49] <Kerbero> netso is irc wat langer as drie lyne is
[16:52] <Kilos> ek sukkel om by te bly as hulle begin vinnig gesels
[16:57] <nuvolari> bloep
[16:58] <Kilos> lol
[17:00] <Kilos> wat bloep jy nuvolari 
[17:05] <apie> hello. has the UDW session started yet?
[17:05] <apie> oh dit het! okay let's jump in 
[17:07] <nuvolari> Kilos: ek bloep sommer net oom :P
[17:07]  * nuvolari jumps into the LPI doc instead
[17:12] <apie> that's a good idea actually nuvolari :)
[17:19] <nuvolari> apie: ye, I guess about 20 pages on average/evening is OK
[17:19] <nuvolari> Maaz: 329/20.0
[17:19] <Maaz> nuvolari: 16.45
[17:20] <nuvolari> 2 months seem like a reasonable target
[17:31] <Kilos> are you guys gonna go through that whole manual?
[17:41] <nuvolari> Kilos: ja oom!
[17:41] <nuvolari> why not? :P
[17:41] <Kilos> sjoe julle gaan werk
[17:42] <apie> that manual covers both exams Kilos, so we only learn the first half this time ;)
[17:42] <apie> ... or the whole thing for those crazies who want to write both
[17:42] <Kilos> from page 1?
[17:43] <Kilos> all the bios info as well
[17:43] <apie> sure, bios, copyright, the index too...
[17:43] <Kilos> lol
[17:43] <nuvolari> ye, I read most of it
[17:43] <Kilos> where do you go write the exams
[17:43] <nuvolari> skipped some of the index pages
[17:44] <nuvolari> hmm, aparently there's a cenre or 2 close by that can assist us in the exams
[17:44] <Kilos> ah
[17:45] <Kilos> i wish you guys coulda done this 20 years ago
[17:46] <apie> apparently prometric & comptia test centers offer exams
[17:47] <apie> oh nuvolari I was talking to a girl in my class today, she goes to cti (?) that it training in umhlanga, they're doing a course on Ubuntu!
[17:48] <Kilos> great
[17:53] <nuvolari> apie: there's a cti here? ossum! If I knew that I'd complete my IAD
[17:54] <nuvolari> when I was there they used Redhat 8, :P  ancient by now
[17:55] <apie> I used RH6 for mine in 2001
[17:55] <apie> got Quake I compiled and running quick stick
[18:24] <Kilos> lol
[18:24] <Kilos> ons het n dag apie lyk my
[18:25] <kbmonkey> he he Kilos - ons het ;)
[18:25] <Kilos> lol
[20:04] <Kilos> night all sleep warm
[21:29]  * sf55 read a bit up on mesa 8 today
[21:29] <sf55> talk about a blue monday, going to crash anytime now (hopefully in the bed)
[21:29] <sf55> night all
[21:30] <kbmonkey> gn sf55 
[21:31]  * kbmonkey also wants to get more into mesa