| === Unit193_ is now known as Unit193 | ||
| astraljava | No new images so far. :-/ | 06:21 |
|---|---|---|
| Unit193 | I think it's too early for that | 06:25 |
| astraljava | Ahhh yeah, might be. Just recalled seeing times like 09:16, but obviously they were of UTC. :) | 07:18 |
| Unit193 | Yeah... It's just after 3am here | 07:19 |
| astraljava | But it's 07:20 UTC, so I'll check back in two hours or so. | 07:20 |
| astraljava | Well, still no, even though Studio got theirs. | 08:43 |
| astraljava | I see, could still be a timing thing. There seems to be 4 hours difference between their rollouts. | 08:45 |
| thauriswulfa | hi guys, what knowledge should I possess to participate in xubuntu development, languages I current know includes, c/cpp,java | 13:19 |
| TheSheep | thauriswulfa: you don't need to know anything to start | 13:20 |
| thauriswulfa | then....... | 13:20 |
| TheSheep | http://www.xubuntu.org/devel | 13:20 |
| charlie-tca | Good morning | 14:47 |
| charlie-tca | No new desktop images today | 15:26 |
| ochosi | hm, can anyone confirm that xfpm's notifications don't show an icon in natty? | 15:27 |
| charlie-tca | Did that just start? | 15:30 |
| charlie-tca | It works on my laptop here | 15:30 |
| ochosi | hm, ok | 15:32 |
| ochosi | then i have to check what's wrong here | 15:32 |
| ochosi | yeah, i'm not entirely sure, i just noticed | 15:33 |
| charlie-tca | Maybe it is recent, then. | 15:36 |
| charlie-tca | I haven't looked in a few days | 15:36 |
| micahg | charlie-tca: hopefully the debootstrap issue got sorted/will get sorted today | 15:40 |
| charlie-tca | which one is that? | 15:40 |
| charlie-tca | micahg: I am supposed to remind you about java | 15:40 |
| charlie-tca | I think | 15:40 |
| micahg | charlie-tca: thanks, but I can't do it today :(, will try to catch mvo tomorrow | 15:40 |
| charlie-tca | Okeydokey | 15:43 |
| charlie-tca | Xubuntu community meeting in #xubuntu-devel at 19:00 UTC today. Everyone is invited to attend. Agenda is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings | 17:04 |
| === Unit193 is now known as DefaultDude193 | ||
| === DefaultDude193 is now known as Unit193 | ||
| astraljava | Hey gang, will make it to the meeting, just gonna be AFK until then. Forgot to zsync images during the afternoon at the office, so can't test today, sorry. | 17:59 |
| Unit193 | I don't have scrollback anymore, but I think charlie-tca said there were no images | 18:01 |
| micahg | no images, deboostrap failure | 18:02 |
| micahg | *debootstrap | 18:02 |
| astraljava | Oh okay, thought he said "no desktop image". | 18:03 |
| charlie-tca | No desktop images | 18:04 |
| charlie-tca | alternate images are working | 18:04 |
| charlie-tca | Xubuntu community meeting in #xubuntu-devel in 45 minutes. Everyone is invited to attend. Agenda is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings | 18:15 |
| charlie-tca | Sorry, trying to cut the grass before the meeting, doesn't look like it will be done, though. | 18:16 |
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| * charlie-tca looks around for those here for a meeting | 19:01 | |
| beardygnome | o/ | 19:01 |
| astraljava | o/ | 19:02 |
| beardygnome | finally getting a chance to attend again | 19:02 |
| * charlie-tca looks at the beardy guy... seems like he saw him before ;) | 19:02 | |
| charlie-tca | #startmeeting | 19:02 |
| meetingology | Meeting started Mon Jul 11 19:02:56 2011 UTC. The chair is charlie-tca. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlanBell. | 19:02 |
| meetingology | Useful Commands: #topic #action #link #idea #voters #vote #chair #action #agreed #help #info #endmeeting. | 19:02 |
| charlie-tca | WOOT! a meeting bot! | 19:03 |
| charlie-tca | Thanks to the efforts of AlanBell, we now have a bot to record the meeting | 19:03 |
| micahg | o/ | 19:04 |
| charlie-tca | Our agenda, as usual, is found at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings | 19:04 |
| charlie-tca | #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings | 19:04 |
| charlie-tca | hm, maybe I broke it already | 19:04 |
| charlie-tca | Well, for those interested: | 19:05 |
| charlie-tca | * Old business | 19:05 |
| charlie-tca | * Team updates | 19:05 |
| charlie-tca | * Packaging & Development | 19:05 |
| charlie-tca | * Bug Triage & Testing | 19:05 |
| charlie-tca | * Website & Marketing | 19:05 |
| charlie-tca | * Artwork | 19:05 |
| charlie-tca | * Documentation | 19:05 |
| charlie-tca | * Announcements | 19:05 |
| charlie-tca | * Governance structure | 19:05 |
| charlie-tca | * Any Other Business | 19:05 |
| * pleia2 waves | 19:05 | |
| charlie-tca | and, in the interest of determining what is happening, please use ".." on separate line when you've finished typing. If someone wants to comment during the updates, please "o/", so we know to wait. | 19:06 |
| charlie-tca | Let's try that and see if it works for us | 19:06 |
| charlie-tca | [TOPIC] Old business | 19:06 |
| meetingology | TOPIC: Old business | 19:06 |
| charlie-tca | We are putting together a "Top 10" questions and answers FAQ. We would very much like to have that on the website | 19:07 |
| charlie-tca | If possible, we would even like to rotate these FAQ's so there are new ones for people to read | 19:08 |
| charlie-tca | Is is possible to do something like "fortune"? | 19:08 |
| charlie-tca | .. | 19:09 |
| astraljava | Worth investigating. | 19:09 |
| beardygnome | what is "fortune"? | 19:09 |
| astraljava | Shouldn't be more than adding a dictionary for it. | 19:09 |
| beardygnome | .. | 19:09 |
| astraljava | .. | 19:09 |
| charlie-tca | A set of statements, that can be rotated daily on your computer | 19:09 |
| pleia2 | does anyone actually find them useful? | 19:10 |
| charlie-tca | faq's? | 19:10 |
| charlie-tca | yes | 19:10 |
| pleia2 | no, the ones on your computer | 19:10 |
| beardygnome | oh, like a fortune cookie | 19:10 |
| beardygnome | .. | 19:10 |
| charlie-tca | It will be the most asked questions from mailing list, #xubuntu, and forums | 19:10 |
| charlie-tca | I did enjoy them when I had them working | 19:10 |
| pleia2 | I like the idea of a FAQ page on the site, not so sure about rotating fortune things anywhere | 19:10 |
| charlie-tca | not the fortune statements, rotating the FAQ's? | 19:11 |
| beardygnome | me either, might get confusing for people | 19:11 |
| charlie-tca | If we have 100 most asked questions, we should rotate them so only 10 at time show up | 19:11 |
| pleia2 | well I don't like "tips" things in general, I particularly won't like them if it's a FAQ about getting to sound to work when my sound works fine :) | 19:11 |
| pleia2 | in fact, it may make me think something is wrong, "my sound is working, is it such a big problem for xubuntu?" | 19:12 |
| beardygnome | i agree | 19:12 |
| charlie-tca | So, having the question and answer there would be bad? | 19:12 |
| beardygnome | if we have 100, isn't that more of a knowledgebase? | 19:12 |
| beardygnome | i think question and answer is good | 19:12 |
| charlie-tca | 100 is a number | 19:12 |
| pleia2 | Q&A FAQ on the website is fine, as "tips" on your desktop I don't like | 19:12 |
| beardygnome | but not having them rotating | 19:12 |
| charlie-tca | our goal right now is the top 10 | 19:13 |
| charlie-tca | but will the top 10 always be the same question? | 19:13 |
| jarnos | Best is to have Xubuntu so easy to use it does not need an FAQ. | 19:13 |
| charlie-tca | jarnos: reality, please | 19:13 |
| pleia2 | I think we should just stick with ~10 for now and go from there | 19:13 |
| charlie-tca | Ubuntu will be that easy, but Xfce probably is not going to make it that simple, ever. | 19:13 |
| jarnos | charlie-tca, the FAQ could be integrated in user interface. | 19:14 |
| charlie-tca | and how will that attract users to the website? | 19:14 |
| jarnos | charlie-tca, it doesn't | 19:14 |
| charlie-tca | goal here is to get users to the website, not to their computer | 19:14 |
| pleia2 | maybe we should focus on getting these FAQ written and on the website, and then think about putting them in the help docs on the system sometime later? | 19:14 |
| charlie-tca | That is a good goal | 19:15 |
| charlie-tca | I would expect these things to already in help, but users don't really look for docs, do they? | 19:15 |
| pleia2 | I suspect most people just do a google search | 19:16 |
| charlie-tca | At least, judging by the number of bug reports for out of date docs in karmic, lucid, and maverick, I don't think they do. | 19:16 |
| astraljava | google is too vague and confusing. | 19:17 |
| charlie-tca | pleia2: we will plan for these to be on the website, then, right? | 19:17 |
| pleia2 | charlie-tca: yes | 19:17 |
| charlie-tca | Thank you | 19:17 |
| charlie-tca | next, we have | 19:17 |
| charlie-tca | * start ML discussion on panels, reviews of current panels, launchers on panels, etc - Carried Forward | 19:17 |
| charlie-tca | ochosi: did we start this? | 19:17 |
| charlie-tca | and we are still calling for | 19:18 |
| charlie-tca | * All teams need to review website content | 19:18 |
| charlie-tca | * insure http://xubuntu.org/contribute is up to date for each team | 19:18 |
| charlie-tca | If you have the ability to update anything there, please make corrections and email them to us. You can send updates to the xubuntu-devel mailing list, charlie-tca AT ubuntu DOT com or post them and give us the URL | 19:19 |
| charlie-tca | Any questions? | 19:19 |
| charlie-tca | micahg: who do go to for * we will look at getting pavucontrol in the sound preferences | 19:20 |
| pleia2 | re: contribute you can also submit a bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/xubuntu-website | 19:20 |
| jarnos | charlie-tca, when I started to use ubuntu, Xubuntu had easier-to-user panels and menu than Ubuntu, in my opinion. | 19:20 |
| micahg | charlie-tca: desktop team I think | 19:20 |
| charlie-tca | Are you handling this or me? | 19:21 |
| micahg | I can do it, just not this week | 19:21 |
| charlie-tca | jarnos: still does, but it is not as easy to customize | 19:21 |
| charlie-tca | [ACTION] micahg will get with desktop-team about putting pavucontrol in the sound preferences | 19:22 |
| meetingology | ACTION: micahg will get with desktop-team about putting pavucontrol in the sound preferences | 19:22 |
| charlie-tca | Any questions on Old Business? | 19:23 |
| micahg | o/ | 19:24 |
| charlie-tca | go ahead, micahg | 19:24 |
| micahg | charlie-tca: we're talkin about the sound menu, right? | 19:24 |
| charlie-tca | yup | 19:24 |
| charlie-tca | the thingy in indicators | 19:24 |
| charlie-tca | at least, I think so | 19:24 |
| charlie-tca | I don't have that anymore in Oneiric | 19:24 |
| micahg | right, so that's going to require changes in pavucontrol to actually work most probably, so it's actually not so simple to just add, I guess I glossed over that last itme | 19:25 |
| micahg | *time | 19:25 |
| charlie-tca | oh | 19:25 |
| charlie-tca | so, maybe we can't have it there | 19:25 |
| micahg | the indicators work over dbus | 19:25 |
| charlie-tca | But it is worth asking, isn't it? | 19:25 |
| micahg | the question is does lennart have any interest in inidicators... | 19:25 |
| charlie-tca | Maybe we should file a bug for it? | 19:26 |
| charlie-tca | That might be the easiest way to deal with it | 19:26 |
| micahg | yeah | 19:27 |
| charlie-tca | [TOPIC] Team Updates | 19:27 |
| meetingology | TOPIC: Team Updates | 19:27 |
| charlie-tca | [TOPIC] Packaging & Development | 19:27 |
| meetingology | TOPIC: Packaging & Development | 19:27 |
| charlie-tca | mr_pouit or micahg : your turn | 19:27 |
| micahg | so, mr_pouit got the indicators working in xubuntu oneiric again | 19:28 |
| charlie-tca | yes! | 19:28 |
| charlie-tca | live session is still broken | 19:29 |
| charlie-tca | anything else exciting happening? | 19:29 |
| micahg | yes, mr_pouit cleaned up that bug report so that the intent is clearer now | 19:29 |
| micahg | I'll upload libgtk2-notify-perl later tonight, that's one of the few things holding libnotify1 on the CD | 19:30 |
| micahg | I think that's it, we should probably try to confirm defaults for this cycle soon as feature freeze is 4 weeks away | 19:31 |
| micahg | *as possible | 19:31 |
| charlie-tca | (..) | 19:32 |
| micahg | .. (sorry, forgot) | 19:32 |
| charlie-tca | Np | 19:32 |
| charlie-tca | it will take us a while to learn to use it, I think | 19:32 |
| charlie-tca | um, Do we need to get pavucontrol and pastebinit in before feature freeze? | 19:33 |
| charlie-tca | Also, file-roller vs xarchiver? | 19:33 |
| micahg | file-roller is back and the problem with that was solved (dropped nautilus recommends) | 19:33 |
| micahg | I think ideally we should even if we don't have a release impetus as then we get 2 months to make sure it's the right decision | 19:34 |
| micahg | pavucontrol hasn't had a release in 2 yrs, there doesn't seem to be much upstream development, pastebinit is pretty active though | 19:35 |
| charlie-tca | but pavucontrol works | 19:35 |
| charlie-tca | Sometimes there is no need for further development, because things are working ;) | 19:36 |
| micahg | true, but that's a downside if we want stuff like indicator support :0 | 19:37 |
| charlie-tca | oh, yeah, I guess it would be | 19:37 |
| charlie-tca | Okay, maybe we just get it in defaults then | 19:37 |
| charlie-tca | I can close the action item | 19:37 |
| charlie-tca | Any questions for our esteemed developers? | 19:38 |
| micahg | well, if we don't need indicator support and it works by itself, then we can include it | 19:38 |
| charlie-tca | yup, it is working, and we don't *have* to have indicator support | 19:39 |
| charlie-tca | [TOPIC] Bug Triage and Testing | 19:39 |
| meetingology | TOPIC: Bug Triage and Testing | 19:39 |
| charlie-tca | Many thanks to the testers for all their hard work. Alpha2 made it out the door | 19:40 |
| charlie-tca | A big part of that is the daily testing we are doing. Alpha2 was a very difficult milestone to release, as can be seen by the flavours not releasing it. | 19:42 |
| charlie-tca | We knew in advance where the worst issues were, and had workarounds for most of the issues. | 19:43 |
| charlie-tca | Keep the bugs coming in, please | 19:43 |
| charlie-tca | We are tracking the Oneiric bugs at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Bugs/OneiricOcelot | 19:44 |
| charlie-tca | Any questions for Bugs and Testing? | 19:44 |
| charlie-tca | [TOPIC] Website & Marketing | 19:45 |
| meetingology | TOPIC: Website & Marketing | 19:45 |
| charlie-tca | Any updates for the website? | 19:45 |
| knome | nope, not right now, | 19:45 |
| knome | but we're testing the imgcapt plugin | 19:45 |
| knome | and hopefully soon the picslide plugin as well | 19:45 |
| charlie-tca | o/ | 19:46 |
| knome | (hey) | 19:46 |
| charlie-tca | I tried to test the plugin, but maybe I don't know how? | 19:47 |
| charlie-tca | It doesn't seem to do anything for me | 19:47 |
| charlie-tca | .. | 19:47 |
| knome | do you have javascript disabled? | 19:48 |
| charlie-tca | no, preferences says "Enable javascript" and that is checked | 19:49 |
| * charlie-tca slaps himself... | 19:49 | |
| charlie-tca | Do I have to install java, too? | 19:49 |
| knome | nope, you shouldn't need java | 19:49 |
| knome | we can go through this after the meeting if you want | 19:50 |
| charlie-tca | Iced-Tea plugin is installed | 19:50 |
| charlie-tca | Anyone else try to test the imgcapt plugin? | 19:50 |
| pleia2 | yep, I sent knome some feedback earlier | 19:50 |
| knome | pleia2, yup, i just read it, and i'll get back to you in a sec :) | 19:51 |
| charlie-tca | okay, I will get with you, knome | 19:51 |
| knome | good | 19:51 |
| pleia2 | worked well for me, just some usability nitpicks :) | 19:51 |
| charlie-tca | I am sure it is my settings, somehow. I seem to be able to make anything fail completely, these days. | 19:51 |
| charlie-tca | Any other questions or comments for website? | 19:52 |
| pleia2 | I added a link to our artwork page to our marketing page last week, so now it should be easier to find the logos | 19:52 |
| charlie-tca | Thank you so much for that! | 19:52 |
| knome | still need to get through the website as well as the wiki page to make sure it's current | 19:53 |
| charlie-tca | It is the little things that will help us. | 19:53 |
| charlie-tca | +1 knome | 19:53 |
| charlie-tca | We need people to look over what is at http://xubuntu.org, please | 19:53 |
| charlie-tca | If everybody here goes and looks it over, it will be pretty easy to get everything up to date. | 19:54 |
| charlie-tca | .. | 19:54 |
| charlie-tca | [TOPIC] Artwork and Documentation | 19:55 |
| meetingology | TOPIC: Artwork and Documentation | 19:55 |
| charlie-tca | plantoschka did a great job on the news release. Now we just need some blog articles we can add! | 19:56 |
| charlie-tca | ochosi: are you around? | 19:56 |
| plantoschka | thanks :) | 19:58 |
| charlie-tca | [TOPIC] Announcements | 20:00 |
| meetingology | TOPIC: Announcements | 20:00 |
| charlie-tca | * Ubuntu Developer Week happening all week, 16:00 to 20:00 UTC | 20:00 |
| charlie-tca | Channel is #ubuntu-classroom and #ubuntu-classroom-chat | 20:01 |
| charlie-tca | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDeveloperWeek/Sessions | 20:01 |
| knome | does xubuntu have a session? | 20:01 |
| charlie-tca | nope | 20:01 |
| charlie-tca | I did not get around to it, and no one else volunteered | 20:02 |
| knome | okay | 20:02 |
| knome | i must have missed that :) | 20:02 |
| charlie-tca | Important dates coming up: | 20:03 |
| charlie-tca | 10.04.3 Release: July 21, 2011 | 20:03 |
| charlie-tca | 11.10 Alpha 3: August 4, 2011 | 20:03 |
| charlie-tca | 11.10 FeatureFreeze : August 11, 2011 | 20:03 |
| charlie-tca | 11.10 Release Date: October 13, 2011 | 20:03 |
| charlie-tca | We will not be releasing 10.04.3, but will be involved with testing Ubuntu. | 20:03 |
| charlie-tca | * The next meeting will be on Sunday, 2011-07-17 at 22:00 UTC | 20:04 |
| charlie-tca | Thunderbird is now the default email client in Ubuntu, it has replaced Evolution | 20:04 |
| charlie-tca | [TOPIC] Any Other Business | 20:05 |
| meetingology | TOPIC: Any Other Business | 20:05 |
| charlie-tca | Anything anyone wants to discuss? | 20:05 |
| charlie-tca | Let's welcome beardygnome back; it has been a while since he was here! | 20:05 |
| charlie-tca | .. | 20:05 |
| beardygnome | cheers charlie - been busy working on the new house | 20:05 |
| beardygnome | building sheds, bookcases etc | 20:06 |
| beardygnome | hoping to get back into some geek stuff now ;-) | 20:06 |
| beardygnome | .. | 20:06 |
| knome | building applications, code etc? | 20:07 |
| charlie-tca | huh? | 20:07 |
| knome | nvm :) | 20:07 |
| charlie-tca | sure :) | 20:07 |
| knome | (from building sheds to building apps...) | 20:07 |
| charlie-tca | ah! | 20:07 |
| charlie-tca | Anything ? | 20:08 |
| charlie-tca | Let's go ahead and finish up then. I will all you good people on Sunday. | 20:08 |
| charlie-tca | Thanks for attending the meeting. Your participation is absolutely necessary to the welfare of Xubuntu! | 20:09 |
| charlie-tca | #endmeeting | 20:09 |
| meetingology | Meeting ended Mon Jul 11 20:09:08 2011 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlanBell . (v 0.1.4) | 20:09 |
| meetingology | Minutes: http://mootbot.libertus.co.uk/xubuntu-devel/2011/xubuntu-devel.2011-07-11-19.02.moin.txt | 20:09 |
| astraljava | Your meetings are much more coherent than ours. :) | 20:13 |
| charlie-tca | We been at it longer | 20:14 |
| charlie-tca | Besides, I pretend I know what I am doing, too ;) | 20:15 |
| astraljava | Heheh. :) | 20:16 |
| knome | pleia2, huh, that became a long email :) | 20:17 |
| pleia2 | :) | 20:17 |
| knome | anyway, it should have answered anything you asked, and anything you might have asked after that, if i only asked for the questions you asked | 20:18 |
| charlie-tca | so, knome. You do know I am the only person to find two websites now that I can't see? | 20:22 |
| charlie-tca | I get completely blank pages for them... | 20:22 |
| knome | :o | 20:24 |
| knome | what are those websites? | 20:24 |
| charlie-tca | http://ubuntuhowto.org/ | 20:27 |
| charlie-tca | any link on the page will give me a blank page | 20:27 |
| charlie-tca | the other was the the status pages for Ubuntu, they fixed that now | 20:28 |
| knome | i'm getting a blank-looking page too | 20:28 |
| knome | it looks like the content is under some kind of white block | 20:29 |
| charlie-tca | Oh, good. It is not just me then | 20:29 |
| knome | so did you manage to login to the demosite? | 20:29 |
| charlie-tca | yup | 20:30 |
| charlie-tca | but then nothing happened | 20:30 |
| knome | charlie-tca, adding " .entry-content { width: 100%; } " to the CSS on ubuntuhowto.org fixes the bug for me | 20:31 |
| knome | charlie-tca, okay, so after you've logged in, you need to go to "imgcapt", find it in the left side navigation | 20:31 |
| charlie-tca | okay' | 20:32 |
| knome | now you can either try to edit any of the existing images, or add new | 20:32 |
| knome | to add new, there's a button in the top. to edit, hover the table row and an "edit" -link appears | 20:33 |
| knome | (the by default hidden edit-fields is WP default) | 20:33 |
| knome | err, edit-links :) | 20:33 |
| charlie-tca | well, slap me with a wet trout | 20:35 |
| knome | is there something that is not working? :) | 20:35 |
| charlie-tca | no | 20:36 |
| charlie-tca | Thank you | 20:36 |
| knome | no problem | 20:36 |
| GridCube | when is the next community meeting? | 22:47 |
| micahg | GridCube: sunday 22:00 UTC | 22:48 |
| GridCube | O_o not today? | 22:51 |
| charlie-tca | Was today at 19:00 UTC, about 5 hours ago | 22:51 |
| GridCube | D: wow | 22:51 |
| charlie-tca | or maybe 4 hours ago, it is 22:51 UTC now | 22:51 |
| GridCube | yes i see, my internal clock was wrong i though it was 19:00 in my time | 22:52 |
| GridCube | XD | 22:52 |
| GridCube | well to check the logs then :) | 22:53 |
| charlie-tca | We got a new meeting bot, and the logs are pretty nice now. | 22:57 |
| charlie-tca | http://mootbot.libertus.co.uk/xubuntu-devel/2011/xubuntu-devel.2011-07-11-19.02.moin.txt | 22:57 |
| GridCube | i still like the irclogs htmls :P whit pretty colors are easier to read | 22:59 |
| * charlie-tca nods | 23:01 | |
| charlie-tca | but this is still better the pure irc channel log | 23:02 |
| GridCube | :D | 23:03 |
| Unit193 | I missed the entire meeting and there is nothing in scroll back :( | 23:51 |
| pleia2 | Unit193: http://mootbot.libertus.co.uk/xubuntu-devel/2011/xubuntu-devel.2011-07-11-19.02.moin.txt :) | 23:59 |
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