[06:21] <astraljava> No new images so far. :-/
[06:25] <Unit193> I think it's too early for that
[07:18] <astraljava> Ahhh yeah, might be. Just recalled seeing times like 09:16, but obviously they were of UTC. :)
[07:19] <Unit193> Yeah... It's just after 3am here
[07:20] <astraljava> But it's 07:20 UTC, so I'll check back in two hours or so.
[08:43] <astraljava> Well, still no, even though Studio got theirs.
[08:45] <astraljava> I see, could still be a timing thing. There seems to be 4 hours difference between their rollouts.
[13:19] <thauriswulfa> hi guys, what knowledge should I possess to participate in xubuntu development, languages I current know includes, c/cpp,java
[13:20] <TheSheep> thauriswulfa: you don't need to know anything to start
[13:20] <thauriswulfa> then.......
[13:20] <TheSheep> http://www.xubuntu.org/devel
[14:47] <charlie-tca> Good morning
[15:26] <charlie-tca> No new desktop images today
[15:27] <ochosi> hm, can anyone confirm that xfpm's notifications don't show an icon in natty?
[15:30] <charlie-tca> Did that just start?
[15:30] <charlie-tca> It works on my laptop here
[15:32] <ochosi> hm, ok
[15:32] <ochosi> then i have to check what's wrong here
[15:33] <ochosi> yeah, i'm not entirely sure, i just noticed
[15:36] <charlie-tca> Maybe it is recent, then. 
[15:36] <charlie-tca> I haven't looked in a few days
[15:40] <micahg> charlie-tca: hopefully the debootstrap issue got sorted/will get sorted today
[15:40] <charlie-tca> which one is that?
[15:40] <charlie-tca> micahg: I am supposed to remind you about java
[15:40] <charlie-tca> I think
[15:40] <micahg> charlie-tca: thanks, but I can't do it today :(, will try to catch mvo tomorrow
[15:43] <charlie-tca> Okeydokey
[17:04] <charlie-tca> Xubuntu community meeting in #xubuntu-devel at 19:00 UTC today. Everyone is invited to attend. Agenda is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings
[17:59] <astraljava> Hey gang, will make it to the meeting, just gonna be AFK until then. Forgot to zsync images during the afternoon at the office, so can't test today, sorry.
[18:01] <Unit193> I don't have scrollback anymore, but I think charlie-tca said there were no images
[18:02] <micahg> no images, deboostrap failure
[18:02] <micahg> *debootstrap
[18:03] <astraljava> Oh okay, thought he said "no desktop image".
[18:04] <charlie-tca> No desktop images
[18:04] <charlie-tca> alternate images are working
[18:15] <charlie-tca> Xubuntu community meeting in #xubuntu-devel in 45 minutes. Everyone is invited to attend. Agenda is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings
[18:16] <charlie-tca> Sorry, trying to cut the grass before the meeting, doesn't look like it will be done, though.
[19:01]  * charlie-tca looks around for those here for a meeting
[19:01] <beardygnome> o/
[19:02] <astraljava> o/
[19:02] <beardygnome> finally getting a chance to attend again
[19:02]  * charlie-tca looks at the beardy guy... seems like he saw him before ;)
[19:02] <charlie-tca> #startmeeting
[19:02] <meetingology> Meeting started Mon Jul 11 19:02:56 2011 UTC.  The chair is charlie-tca. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlanBell.
[19:02] <meetingology> Useful Commands: #topic #action #link #idea #voters #vote #chair #action #agreed #help #info #endmeeting.
[19:03] <charlie-tca> WOOT! a meeting bot!
[19:03] <charlie-tca> Thanks to the efforts of AlanBell, we now have a bot to record the meeting
[19:04] <micahg> o/
[19:04] <charlie-tca> Our agenda, as usual, is found at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings
[19:04] <charlie-tca> #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings
[19:04] <charlie-tca> hm, maybe I broke it already
[19:05] <charlie-tca> Well, for those interested:
[19:05] <charlie-tca> * Old business
[19:05] <charlie-tca> * Team updates
[19:05] <charlie-tca>   * Packaging & Development
[19:05] <charlie-tca>   * Bug Triage & Testing
[19:05] <charlie-tca>   * Website & Marketing
[19:05] <charlie-tca>   * Artwork
[19:05] <charlie-tca>   * Documentation
[19:05] <charlie-tca> * Announcements
[19:05] <charlie-tca> * Governance structure
[19:05] <charlie-tca> * Any Other Business
[19:05]  * pleia2 waves
[19:06] <charlie-tca> and, in the interest of determining what is happening, please use ".." on separate line when you've finished typing.   If someone wants to comment during the updates, please "o/", so we know to wait.
[19:06] <charlie-tca> Let's try that and see if it works for us
[19:06] <charlie-tca> [TOPIC] Old business
[19:06] <meetingology> TOPIC: Old business
[19:07] <charlie-tca> We are putting together a "Top 10" questions and answers FAQ. We would very much like to have that on the website
[19:08] <charlie-tca> If possible, we would even like to rotate these FAQ's so there are new ones for people to read
[19:08] <charlie-tca> Is is possible to do something like "fortune"?
[19:09] <charlie-tca> ..
[19:09] <astraljava> Worth investigating.
[19:09] <beardygnome> what is "fortune"?
[19:09] <astraljava> Shouldn't be more than adding a dictionary for it.
[19:09] <beardygnome> ..
[19:09] <astraljava> ..
[19:09] <charlie-tca> A set of statements, that can be rotated daily on your computer
[19:10] <pleia2> does anyone actually find them useful?
[19:10] <charlie-tca> faq's?
[19:10] <charlie-tca> yes
[19:10] <pleia2> no, the ones on your computer
[19:10] <beardygnome> oh, like a fortune cookie
[19:10] <beardygnome> ..
[19:10] <charlie-tca> It will be the most asked questions from mailing list, #xubuntu, and forums
[19:10] <charlie-tca> I did enjoy them when I had them working
[19:10] <pleia2> I like the idea of a FAQ page on the site, not so sure about rotating fortune things anywhere
[19:11] <charlie-tca> not the fortune statements, rotating the FAQ's?
[19:11] <beardygnome> me either, might get confusing for people
[19:11] <charlie-tca> If we have 100 most asked questions, we should rotate them so only 10 at time show up
[19:11] <pleia2> well I don't like "tips" things in general, I particularly won't like them if it's a FAQ about getting to sound to work when my sound works fine :)
[19:12] <pleia2> in fact, it may make me think something is wrong, "my sound is working, is it such a big problem for xubuntu?"
[19:12] <beardygnome> i agree
[19:12] <charlie-tca> So, having the question and answer there would be bad?
[19:12] <beardygnome> if we have 100, isn't that more of a knowledgebase?
[19:12] <beardygnome> i think question and answer is good
[19:12] <charlie-tca> 100 is a number
[19:12] <pleia2> Q&A FAQ on the website is fine, as "tips" on your desktop I don't like
[19:12] <beardygnome> but not having them rotating
[19:13] <charlie-tca> our goal right now is the top 10
[19:13] <charlie-tca> but will the top 10 always be the same question?
[19:13] <jarnos> Best is to have Xubuntu so easy to use it does not need an FAQ.
[19:13] <charlie-tca> jarnos: reality, please
[19:13] <pleia2> I think we should just stick with ~10 for now and go from there
[19:13] <charlie-tca> Ubuntu will be that easy, but Xfce probably is not going to make it that simple, ever.
[19:14] <jarnos> charlie-tca, the FAQ could be integrated in user interface.
[19:14] <charlie-tca> and how will that attract users to the website?
[19:14] <jarnos> charlie-tca, it doesn't
[19:14] <charlie-tca> goal here is to get users to the website, not to their computer
[19:14] <pleia2> maybe we should focus on getting these FAQ written and on the website, and then think about putting them in the help docs on the system sometime later?
[19:15] <charlie-tca> That is a good goal
[19:15] <charlie-tca> I would expect these things to already in help, but users don't really look for docs, do they?
[19:16] <pleia2> I suspect most people just do a google search
[19:16] <charlie-tca> At least, judging by the number of bug reports for out of date docs in karmic, lucid, and maverick, I don't think they do.
[19:17] <astraljava> google is too vague and confusing.
[19:17] <charlie-tca> pleia2: we will plan for these to be on the website, then, right?
[19:17] <pleia2> charlie-tca: yes
[19:17] <charlie-tca> Thank you
[19:17] <charlie-tca> next, we have
[19:17] <charlie-tca>  * start ML discussion on panels, reviews of current panels, launchers on panels, etc - Carried Forward
[19:17] <charlie-tca> ochosi: did we start this?
[19:18] <charlie-tca> and we are still calling for
[19:18] <charlie-tca>  * All teams need to review website content
[19:18] <charlie-tca>   * insure http://xubuntu.org/contribute is up to date for each team
[19:19] <charlie-tca> If you have the ability to update anything there, please make corrections and email them to us. You can send updates to the xubuntu-devel mailing list, charlie-tca AT ubuntu DOT com or post them and give us the URL
[19:19] <charlie-tca> Any questions? 
[19:20] <charlie-tca> micahg: who do go to for  * we will look at getting pavucontrol in the sound preferences
[19:20] <pleia2> re: contribute you can also submit a bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/xubuntu-website
[19:20] <jarnos> charlie-tca, when I started to use ubuntu, Xubuntu had easier-to-user panels and menu than Ubuntu, in my opinion.
[19:20] <micahg> charlie-tca: desktop team I think
[19:21] <charlie-tca> Are you handling this or me?
[19:21] <micahg> I can do it, just not this week
[19:21] <charlie-tca> jarnos: still does, but it is not as easy to customize
[19:22] <charlie-tca> [ACTION] micahg will get with desktop-team about putting pavucontrol in the sound preferences
[19:22] <meetingology> ACTION: micahg will get with desktop-team about putting pavucontrol in the sound preferences
[19:23] <charlie-tca> Any questions on Old Business?
[19:24] <micahg> o/
[19:24] <charlie-tca> go ahead, micahg 
[19:24] <micahg> charlie-tca: we're talkin about the sound menu, right?
[19:24] <charlie-tca> yup
[19:24] <charlie-tca> the thingy in indicators
[19:24] <charlie-tca> at least, I think so
[19:24] <charlie-tca> I don't have that anymore in Oneiric
[19:25] <micahg> right, so that's going to require changes in pavucontrol to actually work most probably, so it's actually not so simple to just add, I guess I glossed over that last itme
[19:25] <micahg> *time
[19:25] <charlie-tca> oh
[19:25] <charlie-tca> so, maybe we can't have it there
[19:25] <micahg> the indicators work over dbus
[19:25] <charlie-tca> But it is worth asking, isn't it?
[19:25] <micahg> the question is does lennart have any interest in inidicators...
[19:26] <charlie-tca> Maybe we should file a bug for it?
[19:26] <charlie-tca> That might be the easiest way to deal with it
[19:27] <micahg> yeah
[19:27] <charlie-tca> [TOPIC] Team Updates
[19:27] <meetingology> TOPIC: Team Updates
[19:27] <charlie-tca> [TOPIC] Packaging & Development
[19:27] <meetingology> TOPIC: Packaging & Development
[19:27] <charlie-tca> mr_pouit or micahg : your turn
[19:28] <micahg> so, mr_pouit got the indicators working in xubuntu oneiric again
[19:28] <charlie-tca> yes!
[19:29] <charlie-tca> live session is still broken
[19:29] <charlie-tca> anything else exciting happening?
[19:29] <micahg> yes, mr_pouit cleaned up that bug report so that the intent is clearer now
[19:30] <micahg> I'll upload libgtk2-notify-perl later tonight, that's one of the few things holding libnotify1 on the CD
[19:31] <micahg> I think that's it, we should probably try to confirm defaults for this cycle soon as feature freeze is 4 weeks away
[19:31] <micahg> *as possible
[19:32] <charlie-tca> (..)
[19:32] <micahg> .. (sorry, forgot)
[19:32] <charlie-tca> Np
[19:32] <charlie-tca> it will take us a while to learn to use it, I think
[19:33] <charlie-tca> um, Do we need to get pavucontrol and pastebinit in before feature freeze?
[19:33] <charlie-tca> Also, file-roller vs xarchiver?
[19:33] <micahg> file-roller is back and the problem with that was solved (dropped nautilus recommends)
[19:34] <micahg> I think ideally we should even if we don't have a release impetus as then we get 2 months to make sure it's the right decision
[19:35] <micahg> pavucontrol hasn't had a release in 2 yrs, there doesn't seem to be much upstream development, pastebinit is pretty active though
[19:35] <charlie-tca> but pavucontrol works
[19:36] <charlie-tca> Sometimes there is no need for further development, because things are working ;)
[19:37] <micahg> true, but that's a downside if we want stuff like indicator support :0
[19:37] <charlie-tca> oh, yeah, I guess it would be
[19:37] <charlie-tca> Okay, maybe we just get it in defaults then
[19:37] <charlie-tca> I can close the action item
[19:38] <charlie-tca> Any questions for our esteemed developers?
[19:38] <micahg> well, if we don't need indicator support and it works by itself, then we can include it
[19:39] <charlie-tca> yup, it is working, and we don't *have* to have indicator support
[19:39] <charlie-tca> [TOPIC] Bug Triage and Testing
[19:39] <meetingology> TOPIC: Bug Triage and Testing
[19:40] <charlie-tca> Many thanks to the testers for all their hard work. Alpha2 made it out the door
[19:42] <charlie-tca> A big part of that is the daily testing we are doing. Alpha2 was a very difficult milestone to release, as can be seen by the flavours not releasing it.
[19:43] <charlie-tca> We knew in advance where the worst issues were, and had workarounds for most of the issues.
[19:43] <charlie-tca> Keep the bugs coming in, please
[19:44] <charlie-tca> We are tracking the Oneiric bugs at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Bugs/OneiricOcelot
[19:44] <charlie-tca> Any questions for Bugs and Testing?
[19:45] <charlie-tca> [TOPIC] Website & Marketing
[19:45] <meetingology> TOPIC: Website & Marketing
[19:45] <charlie-tca> Any updates for the website?
[19:45] <knome> nope, not right now,
[19:45] <knome> but we're testing the imgcapt plugin
[19:45] <knome> and hopefully soon the picslide plugin as well
[19:46] <charlie-tca> o/
[19:46] <knome> (hey)
[19:47] <charlie-tca> I tried to test the plugin, but maybe I don't know how?
[19:47] <charlie-tca> It doesn't seem to do anything for me
[19:47] <charlie-tca> ..
[19:48] <knome> do you have javascript disabled?
[19:49] <charlie-tca> no, preferences says "Enable javascript" and that is checked
[19:49]  * charlie-tca slaps himself...
[19:49] <charlie-tca> Do I have to install java, too?
[19:49] <knome> nope, you shouldn't need java
[19:50] <knome> we can go through this after the meeting if you want
[19:50] <charlie-tca> Iced-Tea plugin is installed
[19:50] <charlie-tca> Anyone else try to test the imgcapt plugin?
[19:50] <pleia2> yep, I sent knome some feedback earlier
[19:51] <knome> pleia2, yup, i just read it, and i'll get back to you in a sec :)
[19:51] <charlie-tca> okay, I will get with you, knome 
[19:51] <knome> good
[19:51] <pleia2> worked well for me, just some usability nitpicks :)
[19:51] <charlie-tca> I am sure it is my settings, somehow. I seem to be able to make anything fail completely, these days.
[19:52] <charlie-tca> Any other questions or comments for website?
[19:52] <pleia2> I added a link to our artwork page to our marketing page last week, so now it should be easier to find the logos
[19:52] <charlie-tca> Thank you so much for that!
[19:53] <knome> still need to get through the website as well as the wiki page to make sure it's current
[19:53] <charlie-tca> It is the little things that will help us.
[19:53] <charlie-tca> +1 knome 
[19:53] <charlie-tca> We need people to look over what is at http://xubuntu.org, please
[19:54] <charlie-tca> If everybody here goes and looks it over, it will be pretty easy to get everything up to date.
[19:54] <charlie-tca> ..
[19:55] <charlie-tca> [TOPIC] Artwork and Documentation
[19:55] <meetingology> TOPIC: Artwork and Documentation
[19:56] <charlie-tca> plantoschka did a great job on the news release. Now we just need some blog articles we can add!
[19:56] <charlie-tca> ochosi: are you around?
[19:58] <plantoschka> thanks :)
[20:00] <charlie-tca> [TOPIC] Announcements
[20:00] <meetingology> TOPIC: Announcements
[20:00] <charlie-tca>  * Ubuntu Developer Week happening all week, 16:00 to 20:00 UTC
[20:01] <charlie-tca> Channel is #ubuntu-classroom and #ubuntu-classroom-chat
[20:01] <charlie-tca> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDeveloperWeek/Sessions
[20:01] <knome> does xubuntu have a session?
[20:01] <charlie-tca> nope
[20:02] <charlie-tca> I did not get around to it, and no one else volunteered
[20:02] <knome> okay
[20:02] <knome> i must have missed that :)
[20:03] <charlie-tca> Important dates coming up:
[20:03] <charlie-tca> 10.04.3 Release: July 21, 2011
[20:03] <charlie-tca> 11.10 Alpha 3: August 4, 2011
[20:03] <charlie-tca> 11.10 FeatureFreeze : August 11, 2011
[20:03] <charlie-tca> 11.10 Release Date: October 13, 2011
[20:03] <charlie-tca> We will not be releasing 10.04.3, but will be involved with testing Ubuntu.
[20:04] <charlie-tca>  * The next meeting will be on Sunday, 2011-07-17 at 22:00 UTC
[20:04] <charlie-tca> Thunderbird is now the default email client in Ubuntu, it has replaced Evolution
[20:05] <charlie-tca> [TOPIC] Any Other Business
[20:05] <meetingology> TOPIC: Any Other Business
[20:05] <charlie-tca> Anything anyone wants to discuss?
[20:05] <charlie-tca> Let's welcome beardygnome back; it has been a while since he was here!
[20:05] <charlie-tca> ..
[20:05] <beardygnome> cheers charlie - been busy working on the new house
[20:06] <beardygnome> building sheds, bookcases etc
[20:06] <beardygnome> hoping to get back into some geek stuff now ;-)
[20:06] <beardygnome> ..
[20:07] <knome> building applications, code etc?
[20:07] <charlie-tca> huh?
[20:07] <knome> nvm :)
[20:07] <charlie-tca> sure :)
[20:07] <knome> (from building sheds to building apps...)
[20:07] <charlie-tca> ah!
[20:08] <charlie-tca> Anything ?
[20:08] <charlie-tca> Let's go ahead and finish up then. I will all you good people on Sunday.
[20:09] <charlie-tca> Thanks for attending the meeting. Your participation is absolutely necessary to the welfare of Xubuntu!
[20:09] <charlie-tca> #endmeeting
[20:09] <meetingology> Meeting ended Mon Jul 11 20:09:08 2011 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlanBell . (v 0.1.4)
[20:09] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://mootbot.libertus.co.uk/xubuntu-devel/2011/xubuntu-devel.2011-07-11-19.02.moin.txt
[20:13] <astraljava> Your meetings are much more coherent than ours. :)
[20:14] <charlie-tca> We been at it longer
[20:15] <charlie-tca> Besides, I pretend I know what I am doing, too ;)
[20:16] <astraljava> Heheh. :)
[20:17] <knome> pleia2, huh, that became a long email :)
[20:17] <pleia2> :)
[20:18] <knome> anyway, it should have answered anything you asked, and anything you might have asked after that, if i only asked for the questions you asked
[20:22] <charlie-tca> so, knome. You do know I am the only person to find two websites now that I can't see?
[20:22] <charlie-tca> I get completely blank pages for them...
[20:24] <knome> :o
[20:24] <knome> what are those websites?
[20:27] <charlie-tca> http://ubuntuhowto.org/
[20:27] <charlie-tca> any link on the page will give me a blank page
[20:28] <charlie-tca> the other was the the status pages for Ubuntu, they fixed that now
[20:28] <knome> i'm getting a blank-looking page too
[20:29] <knome> it looks like the content is under some kind of white block
[20:29] <charlie-tca> Oh, good. It is not just me then
[20:29] <knome> so did you manage to login to the demosite?
[20:30] <charlie-tca> yup
[20:30] <charlie-tca> but then nothing happened
[20:31] <knome> charlie-tca, adding " .entry-content { width: 100%; } " to the CSS on ubuntuhowto.org fixes the bug for me
[20:31] <knome> charlie-tca, okay, so after you've logged in, you need to go to "imgcapt", find it in the left side navigation
[20:32] <charlie-tca> okay'
[20:32] <knome> now you can either try to edit any of the existing images, or add new
[20:33] <knome> to add new, there's a button in the top. to edit, hover the table row and an "edit" -link appears
[20:33] <knome> (the by default hidden edit-fields is WP default)
[20:33] <knome> err, edit-links :)
[20:35] <charlie-tca> well, slap me with a wet trout
[20:35] <knome> is there something that is not working? :)
[20:36] <charlie-tca> no
[20:36] <charlie-tca> Thank you
[20:36] <knome> no problem
[22:47] <GridCube> when is the next community meeting?
[22:48] <micahg> GridCube: sunday 22:00 UTC
[22:51] <GridCube> O_o not today?
[22:51] <charlie-tca> Was today at 19:00 UTC, about 5 hours ago
[22:51] <GridCube> D: wow
[22:51] <charlie-tca> or maybe 4 hours ago, it is 22:51 UTC now
[22:52] <GridCube> yes i see, my internal clock was wrong i though it was 19:00 in my time 
[22:52] <GridCube> XD
[22:53] <GridCube> well to check the logs then :)
[22:57] <charlie-tca> We got a new meeting bot, and the logs are pretty nice now. 
[22:57] <charlie-tca> http://mootbot.libertus.co.uk/xubuntu-devel/2011/xubuntu-devel.2011-07-11-19.02.moin.txt
[22:59] <GridCube> i still like the irclogs htmls :P whit pretty colors are easier to read
[23:01]  * charlie-tca nods
[23:02] <charlie-tca> but this is still better the pure irc channel log
[23:03] <GridCube> :D
[23:51] <Unit193> I missed the entire meeting and there is nothing in scroll back :(
[23:59] <pleia2> Unit193: http://mootbot.libertus.co.uk/xubuntu-devel/2011/xubuntu-devel.2011-07-11-19.02.moin.txt :)