=== Unit193_ is now known as Unit193 [06:21] No new images so far. :-/ [06:25] I think it's too early for that [07:18] Ahhh yeah, might be. Just recalled seeing times like 09:16, but obviously they were of UTC. :) [07:19] Yeah... It's just after 3am here [07:20] But it's 07:20 UTC, so I'll check back in two hours or so. [08:43] Well, still no, even though Studio got theirs. [08:45] I see, could still be a timing thing. There seems to be 4 hours difference between their rollouts. [13:19] hi guys, what knowledge should I possess to participate in xubuntu development, languages I current know includes, c/cpp,java [13:20] thauriswulfa: you don't need to know anything to start [13:20] then....... [13:20] http://www.xubuntu.org/devel [14:47] Good morning [15:26] No new desktop images today [15:27] hm, can anyone confirm that xfpm's notifications don't show an icon in natty? [15:30] Did that just start? [15:30] It works on my laptop here [15:32] hm, ok [15:32] then i have to check what's wrong here [15:33] yeah, i'm not entirely sure, i just noticed [15:36] Maybe it is recent, then. [15:36] I haven't looked in a few days [15:40] charlie-tca: hopefully the debootstrap issue got sorted/will get sorted today [15:40] which one is that? [15:40] micahg: I am supposed to remind you about java [15:40] I think [15:40] charlie-tca: thanks, but I can't do it today :(, will try to catch mvo tomorrow [15:43] Okeydokey [17:04] Xubuntu community meeting in #xubuntu-devel at 19:00 UTC today. Everyone is invited to attend. Agenda is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings === Unit193 is now known as DefaultDude193 === DefaultDude193 is now known as Unit193 [17:59] Hey gang, will make it to the meeting, just gonna be AFK until then. Forgot to zsync images during the afternoon at the office, so can't test today, sorry. [18:01] I don't have scrollback anymore, but I think charlie-tca said there were no images [18:02] no images, deboostrap failure [18:02] *debootstrap [18:03] Oh okay, thought he said "no desktop image". [18:04] No desktop images [18:04] alternate images are working [18:15] Xubuntu community meeting in #xubuntu-devel in 45 minutes. Everyone is invited to attend. Agenda is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings [18:16] Sorry, trying to cut the grass before the meeting, doesn't look like it will be done, though. === moxyr_ is now known as moxyr [19:01] * charlie-tca looks around for those here for a meeting [19:01] o/ [19:02] o/ [19:02] finally getting a chance to attend again [19:02] * charlie-tca looks at the beardy guy... seems like he saw him before ;) [19:02] #startmeeting [19:02] Meeting started Mon Jul 11 19:02:56 2011 UTC. The chair is charlie-tca. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlanBell. [19:02] Useful Commands: #topic #action #link #idea #voters #vote #chair #action #agreed #help #info #endmeeting. [19:03] WOOT! a meeting bot! [19:03] Thanks to the efforts of AlanBell, we now have a bot to record the meeting [19:04] o/ [19:04] Our agenda, as usual, is found at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings [19:04] #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings [19:04] hm, maybe I broke it already [19:05] Well, for those interested: [19:05] * Old business [19:05] * Team updates [19:05] * Packaging & Development [19:05] * Bug Triage & Testing [19:05] * Website & Marketing [19:05] * Artwork [19:05] * Documentation [19:05] * Announcements [19:05] * Governance structure [19:05] * Any Other Business [19:05] * pleia2 waves [19:06] and, in the interest of determining what is happening, please use ".." on separate line when you've finished typing. If someone wants to comment during the updates, please "o/", so we know to wait. [19:06] Let's try that and see if it works for us [19:06] [TOPIC] Old business [19:06] TOPIC: Old business [19:07] We are putting together a "Top 10" questions and answers FAQ. We would very much like to have that on the website [19:08] If possible, we would even like to rotate these FAQ's so there are new ones for people to read [19:08] Is is possible to do something like "fortune"? [19:09] .. [19:09] Worth investigating. [19:09] what is "fortune"? [19:09] Shouldn't be more than adding a dictionary for it. [19:09] .. [19:09] .. [19:09] A set of statements, that can be rotated daily on your computer [19:10] does anyone actually find them useful? [19:10] faq's? [19:10] yes [19:10] no, the ones on your computer [19:10] oh, like a fortune cookie [19:10] .. [19:10] It will be the most asked questions from mailing list, #xubuntu, and forums [19:10] I did enjoy them when I had them working [19:10] I like the idea of a FAQ page on the site, not so sure about rotating fortune things anywhere [19:11] not the fortune statements, rotating the FAQ's? [19:11] me either, might get confusing for people [19:11] If we have 100 most asked questions, we should rotate them so only 10 at time show up [19:11] well I don't like "tips" things in general, I particularly won't like them if it's a FAQ about getting to sound to work when my sound works fine :) [19:12] in fact, it may make me think something is wrong, "my sound is working, is it such a big problem for xubuntu?" [19:12] i agree [19:12] So, having the question and answer there would be bad? [19:12] if we have 100, isn't that more of a knowledgebase? [19:12] i think question and answer is good [19:12] 100 is a number [19:12] Q&A FAQ on the website is fine, as "tips" on your desktop I don't like [19:12] but not having them rotating [19:13] our goal right now is the top 10 [19:13] but will the top 10 always be the same question? [19:13] Best is to have Xubuntu so easy to use it does not need an FAQ. [19:13] jarnos: reality, please [19:13] I think we should just stick with ~10 for now and go from there [19:13] Ubuntu will be that easy, but Xfce probably is not going to make it that simple, ever. [19:14] charlie-tca, the FAQ could be integrated in user interface. [19:14] and how will that attract users to the website? [19:14] charlie-tca, it doesn't [19:14] goal here is to get users to the website, not to their computer [19:14] maybe we should focus on getting these FAQ written and on the website, and then think about putting them in the help docs on the system sometime later? [19:15] That is a good goal [19:15] I would expect these things to already in help, but users don't really look for docs, do they? [19:16] I suspect most people just do a google search [19:16] At least, judging by the number of bug reports for out of date docs in karmic, lucid, and maverick, I don't think they do. [19:17] google is too vague and confusing. [19:17] pleia2: we will plan for these to be on the website, then, right? [19:17] charlie-tca: yes [19:17] Thank you [19:17] next, we have [19:17] * start ML discussion on panels, reviews of current panels, launchers on panels, etc - Carried Forward [19:17] ochosi: did we start this? [19:18] and we are still calling for [19:18] * All teams need to review website content [19:18] * insure http://xubuntu.org/contribute is up to date for each team [19:19] If you have the ability to update anything there, please make corrections and email them to us. You can send updates to the xubuntu-devel mailing list, charlie-tca AT ubuntu DOT com or post them and give us the URL [19:19] Any questions? [19:20] micahg: who do go to for * we will look at getting pavucontrol in the sound preferences [19:20] re: contribute you can also submit a bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/xubuntu-website [19:20] charlie-tca, when I started to use ubuntu, Xubuntu had easier-to-user panels and menu than Ubuntu, in my opinion. [19:20] charlie-tca: desktop team I think [19:21] Are you handling this or me? [19:21] I can do it, just not this week [19:21] jarnos: still does, but it is not as easy to customize [19:22] [ACTION] micahg will get with desktop-team about putting pavucontrol in the sound preferences [19:22] ACTION: micahg will get with desktop-team about putting pavucontrol in the sound preferences [19:23] Any questions on Old Business? [19:24] o/ [19:24] go ahead, micahg [19:24] charlie-tca: we're talkin about the sound menu, right? [19:24] yup [19:24] the thingy in indicators [19:24] at least, I think so [19:24] I don't have that anymore in Oneiric [19:25] right, so that's going to require changes in pavucontrol to actually work most probably, so it's actually not so simple to just add, I guess I glossed over that last itme [19:25] *time [19:25] oh [19:25] so, maybe we can't have it there [19:25] the indicators work over dbus [19:25] But it is worth asking, isn't it? [19:25] the question is does lennart have any interest in inidicators... [19:26] Maybe we should file a bug for it? [19:26] That might be the easiest way to deal with it [19:27] yeah [19:27] [TOPIC] Team Updates [19:27] TOPIC: Team Updates [19:27] [TOPIC] Packaging & Development [19:27] TOPIC: Packaging & Development [19:27] mr_pouit or micahg : your turn [19:28] so, mr_pouit got the indicators working in xubuntu oneiric again [19:28] yes! [19:29] live session is still broken [19:29] anything else exciting happening? [19:29] yes, mr_pouit cleaned up that bug report so that the intent is clearer now [19:30] I'll upload libgtk2-notify-perl later tonight, that's one of the few things holding libnotify1 on the CD [19:31] I think that's it, we should probably try to confirm defaults for this cycle soon as feature freeze is 4 weeks away [19:31] *as possible [19:32] (..) [19:32] .. (sorry, forgot) [19:32] Np [19:32] it will take us a while to learn to use it, I think [19:33] um, Do we need to get pavucontrol and pastebinit in before feature freeze? [19:33] Also, file-roller vs xarchiver? [19:33] file-roller is back and the problem with that was solved (dropped nautilus recommends) [19:34] I think ideally we should even if we don't have a release impetus as then we get 2 months to make sure it's the right decision [19:35] pavucontrol hasn't had a release in 2 yrs, there doesn't seem to be much upstream development, pastebinit is pretty active though [19:35] but pavucontrol works [19:36] Sometimes there is no need for further development, because things are working ;) [19:37] true, but that's a downside if we want stuff like indicator support :0 [19:37] oh, yeah, I guess it would be [19:37] Okay, maybe we just get it in defaults then [19:37] I can close the action item [19:38] Any questions for our esteemed developers? [19:38] well, if we don't need indicator support and it works by itself, then we can include it [19:39] yup, it is working, and we don't *have* to have indicator support [19:39] [TOPIC] Bug Triage and Testing [19:39] TOPIC: Bug Triage and Testing [19:40] Many thanks to the testers for all their hard work. Alpha2 made it out the door [19:42] A big part of that is the daily testing we are doing. Alpha2 was a very difficult milestone to release, as can be seen by the flavours not releasing it. [19:43] We knew in advance where the worst issues were, and had workarounds for most of the issues. [19:43] Keep the bugs coming in, please [19:44] We are tracking the Oneiric bugs at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Bugs/OneiricOcelot [19:44] Any questions for Bugs and Testing? [19:45] [TOPIC] Website & Marketing [19:45] TOPIC: Website & Marketing [19:45] Any updates for the website? [19:45] nope, not right now, [19:45] but we're testing the imgcapt plugin [19:45] and hopefully soon the picslide plugin as well [19:46] o/ [19:46] (hey) [19:47] I tried to test the plugin, but maybe I don't know how? [19:47] It doesn't seem to do anything for me [19:47] .. [19:48] do you have javascript disabled? [19:49] no, preferences says "Enable javascript" and that is checked [19:49] * charlie-tca slaps himself... [19:49] Do I have to install java, too? [19:49] nope, you shouldn't need java [19:50] we can go through this after the meeting if you want [19:50] Iced-Tea plugin is installed [19:50] Anyone else try to test the imgcapt plugin? [19:50] yep, I sent knome some feedback earlier [19:51] pleia2, yup, i just read it, and i'll get back to you in a sec :) [19:51] okay, I will get with you, knome [19:51] good [19:51] worked well for me, just some usability nitpicks :) [19:51] I am sure it is my settings, somehow. I seem to be able to make anything fail completely, these days. [19:52] Any other questions or comments for website? [19:52] I added a link to our artwork page to our marketing page last week, so now it should be easier to find the logos [19:52] Thank you so much for that! [19:53] still need to get through the website as well as the wiki page to make sure it's current [19:53] It is the little things that will help us. [19:53] +1 knome [19:53] We need people to look over what is at http://xubuntu.org, please [19:54] If everybody here goes and looks it over, it will be pretty easy to get everything up to date. [19:54] .. [19:55] [TOPIC] Artwork and Documentation [19:55] TOPIC: Artwork and Documentation [19:56] plantoschka did a great job on the news release. Now we just need some blog articles we can add! [19:56] ochosi: are you around? [19:58] thanks :) [20:00] [TOPIC] Announcements [20:00] TOPIC: Announcements [20:00] * Ubuntu Developer Week happening all week, 16:00 to 20:00 UTC [20:01] Channel is #ubuntu-classroom and #ubuntu-classroom-chat [20:01] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDeveloperWeek/Sessions [20:01] does xubuntu have a session? [20:01] nope [20:02] I did not get around to it, and no one else volunteered [20:02] okay [20:02] i must have missed that :) [20:03] Important dates coming up: [20:03] 10.04.3 Release: July 21, 2011 [20:03] 11.10 Alpha 3: August 4, 2011 [20:03] 11.10 FeatureFreeze : August 11, 2011 [20:03] 11.10 Release Date: October 13, 2011 [20:03] We will not be releasing 10.04.3, but will be involved with testing Ubuntu. [20:04] * The next meeting will be on Sunday, 2011-07-17 at 22:00 UTC [20:04] Thunderbird is now the default email client in Ubuntu, it has replaced Evolution [20:05] [TOPIC] Any Other Business [20:05] TOPIC: Any Other Business [20:05] Anything anyone wants to discuss? [20:05] Let's welcome beardygnome back; it has been a while since he was here! [20:05] .. [20:05] cheers charlie - been busy working on the new house [20:06] building sheds, bookcases etc [20:06] hoping to get back into some geek stuff now ;-) [20:06] .. [20:07] building applications, code etc? [20:07] huh? [20:07] nvm :) [20:07] sure :) [20:07] (from building sheds to building apps...) [20:07] ah! [20:08] Anything ? [20:08] Let's go ahead and finish up then. I will all you good people on Sunday. [20:09] Thanks for attending the meeting. Your participation is absolutely necessary to the welfare of Xubuntu! [20:09] #endmeeting [20:09] Meeting ended Mon Jul 11 20:09:08 2011 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlanBell . (v 0.1.4) [20:09] Minutes: http://mootbot.libertus.co.uk/xubuntu-devel/2011/xubuntu-devel.2011-07-11-19.02.moin.txt [20:13] Your meetings are much more coherent than ours. :) [20:14] We been at it longer [20:15] Besides, I pretend I know what I am doing, too ;) [20:16] Heheh. :) [20:17] pleia2, huh, that became a long email :) [20:17] :) [20:18] anyway, it should have answered anything you asked, and anything you might have asked after that, if i only asked for the questions you asked [20:22] so, knome. You do know I am the only person to find two websites now that I can't see? [20:22] I get completely blank pages for them... [20:24] :o [20:24] what are those websites? [20:27] http://ubuntuhowto.org/ [20:27] any link on the page will give me a blank page [20:28] the other was the the status pages for Ubuntu, they fixed that now [20:28] i'm getting a blank-looking page too [20:29] it looks like the content is under some kind of white block [20:29] Oh, good. It is not just me then [20:29] so did you manage to login to the demosite? [20:30] yup [20:30] but then nothing happened [20:31] charlie-tca, adding " .entry-content { width: 100%; } " to the CSS on ubuntuhowto.org fixes the bug for me [20:31] charlie-tca, okay, so after you've logged in, you need to go to "imgcapt", find it in the left side navigation [20:32] okay' [20:32] now you can either try to edit any of the existing images, or add new [20:33] to add new, there's a button in the top. to edit, hover the table row and an "edit" -link appears [20:33] (the by default hidden edit-fields is WP default) [20:33] err, edit-links :) [20:35] well, slap me with a wet trout [20:35] is there something that is not working? :) [20:36] no [20:36] Thank you [20:36] no problem [22:47] when is the next community meeting? [22:48] GridCube: sunday 22:00 UTC [22:51] O_o not today? [22:51] Was today at 19:00 UTC, about 5 hours ago [22:51] D: wow [22:51] or maybe 4 hours ago, it is 22:51 UTC now [22:52] yes i see, my internal clock was wrong i though it was 19:00 in my time [22:52] XD [22:53] well to check the logs then :) [22:57] We got a new meeting bot, and the logs are pretty nice now. [22:57] http://mootbot.libertus.co.uk/xubuntu-devel/2011/xubuntu-devel.2011-07-11-19.02.moin.txt [22:59] i still like the irclogs htmls :P whit pretty colors are easier to read [23:01] * charlie-tca nods [23:02] but this is still better the pure irc channel log [23:03] :D [23:51] I missed the entire meeting and there is nothing in scroll back :( [23:59] Unit193: http://mootbot.libertus.co.uk/xubuntu-devel/2011/xubuntu-devel.2011-07-11-19.02.moin.txt :)