[03:05] <LaserJock> does anybody know what font is used for the panel in plasma-netbook?
[03:05] <LaserJock> rather, how can I change that font
[07:17] <yofel> ScottK: I'll try an armel build here using that
[07:50] <yofel> ScottK: still building bug I need to go, dcraw_common.o was built successfully with mfloat-abi=soft
[07:51] <yofel> s/bug/but
[08:03] <bambee> morning
[08:06] <bambee> yofel: Does gpg-agent start when you open your kde session?
[08:07] <bambee> (it should be started by kdm and it's not apparently)
[08:55] <yofel> he's gone, but I don't have a gpg-agent running either
[08:55] <yofel> (not the only issue with kdm though as it seems)
[08:55] <yofel> and I managed to trash my next btrfs :S
[09:01] <CIA-52> [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/libkdcraw] Philip Muškovac * 6 * debian/ (changelog rules) Build with CXXFLAGS += -mfloat-abi=soft to work around launchpad bug #807573
[09:02] <yofel> can someone upload that please?
[09:05] <shadeslayer> so, there seems to be  list for kde licensing, kde-licensing AT kde DOT org
[09:07] <yofel> when was the last mail to the list?
[09:07] <yofel> ah, bambee's back
[09:08] <yofel> bambee: no, I have no gpg-agent either
[09:08] <bambee> yes :)
[09:08] <bambee> mhh
[09:08] <bambee> have you a "[: 239: =: unexpected operator" in your .xsession-errors ?
[09:08] <yofel> it also seems to ignore other generic xsession stuff
[09:08] <bambee> exact !
[09:08] <yofel> like our neon xsession profile :(
[09:08] <bambee> arf
[09:09] <yofel> bambee: can't test, I just trashed the btrfs my oneiric installation was on
[09:09] <yofel> I'm on natty right now
[09:09] <bambee> without this gpg-agent I cannot sign any dsc ... arrff
[09:09] <bambee> however I can use debsign by hand...
[09:09] <yofel> bambee: run 'eval $(gpg-agent --daemon)' in your shell, you can use the agent in that shell then
[09:09]  * bambee checks
[09:10] <bambee> yofel: already tested
[09:10] <bambee> pinentry crashes :D
[09:10] <yofel> huh? not here o.O
[09:10] <yofel> then again, I'm using pinentry-curses
[09:12] <bambee> "Enter passphrase: gpg: problem with the agent - disabling agent use"
[09:12] <yofel> bah
[09:12] <yofel> uh, wait, that usually means GPG_AGENT_INFO isn't set
[09:13] <bambee> it's set :)
[09:13] <yofel> :(
[09:13] <yofel> anyway, since you did workspace I'll blame you for breaking kdm :P
[09:13] <bambee> what's the problem with kdm?
[09:14] <bambee> :p
[09:14] <yofel> bambee: kdm is responsible for loading the xsession stuff I beliee
[09:14]  * yofel needs to fix his v button -.-
[09:14] <bambee> are you sure, it's kdm?
[09:15] <bambee> it could be a syntax error in a script loaded by kdm :)
[09:15] <yofel> from /etc/kde4/kdm/Xsession:
[09:15] <yofel> # invoke global X session script
[09:15] <yofel> . /etc/X11/Xsession
[09:15] <yofel> (natty)
[09:16] <bambee> right
[09:16] <yofel> that's in oneiric too?
[09:16] <yofel> I don' think /etc/X11/Xsession was renamed
[09:18] <yofel> anyway, time up, will debug this once I get home and resotred O from backup
[09:18] <yofel> *restored
[09:18] <bambee> there is no . /etc/X11/Xsession :D
[09:19] <yofel> see bug found. now re-read your bzr diff
[09:20] <yofel> probably a dropped patch or so (I hope)
[09:34] <shadeslayer> ScottK: is there a page which states the exact requirements for a package to enter the ubuntu archives?
[09:34] <shadeslayer> the best i could find was https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide/Basic#Copyright
[09:35] <bambee> yofel: could you paste your /etc/kde4/kdm/Xsession ?
[09:35] <bambee> please
[09:35] <bambee> (from natty)
[09:40]  * yofel goes ignoring the prof
[09:40] <yofel> bambee: found it, please revert http://paste.kde.org/94765
[10:09] <debfx> I'm working on a kubuntu build status page: http://felix.fobos.de/kubuntu/kubuntu-buildstatus.htm
[10:16] <bambee> yofel: whet did you get this patch?
[10:20] <bambee> (I am not talking about genkdmconfig.diff but about the patch pasted via paste.kde.org)
[10:20] <yofel> bambee: *that* is from  kde-workspace $ bzr diff -r 506..510
[10:20] <bambee> ok
[10:22] <debfx> bambee: are you working on kdeutils?
[10:22] <bambee> debfx: it's done, but I cannot sign my packages (gpg-agent does not work)
[10:22] <bambee> :(
[10:22] <debfx> why do you need to sign the package?
[10:23] <bambee> to push it into kubuntu-ninjas/ppa ?
[10:23] <yofel> if you didn't change the source just put it in bzr 
[10:23] <debfx> ah, no need to do that, i'll just upload it to the archive
[10:25] <bambee> oh
[10:25] <bambee> ok
[10:25] <bambee> pushed into bzr
[10:26] <yofel> debfx: incredibly useful page, more useful than kde-sc-build-status from kubuntu-dev-tools :D
[10:26] <bambee> debfx: see https://code.launchpad.net/~bambi/kubuntu-packaging/kdeutils/+merge/67523
[10:27] <debfx> bambee: thanks
[10:27] <bambee> sorry for the delay, but I try to solve some stranges behaviours on my system :)
[10:28] <debfx> yofel: I think I need to implement some kind of caching as I have to download and grep all build logs to identify symbol issues ^^
[10:28] <yofel> well, you could check if there's a new version published, if not -> don't fetch log
[10:29] <yofel> don't remember if there are publish timestamps or if you need to cache the versions you fetched
[10:30] <yofel> I need to figure out how to cronjob the updating of the neon wiki page too, I think hugday has some example code how to update moinmoin page from scripts
[10:30] <debfx> yes, but currently I don't have a database at all
[10:31]  * yofel looks at lplib api docs
[10:33] <debfx> also we need a tool that fetches the build logs for all archs and pipes them to pkgkde-symbolshelper
[10:33] <shadeslayer> uhm, why not have a look at how http://qa.ubuntuwire.com/ftbfs was made?
[10:33] <shadeslayer> http://qa.ubuntuwire.com/ftbfs/source/
[10:33] <shadeslayer> we could probably mod that to suit our needs
[10:34] <yofel> debfx: we have a fetch_buildlogs script in neon, but for the PPA. You can reuse some code maybe
[10:35] <debfx> shadeslayer: it doesn't use a database either
[10:36] <shadeslayer> any particular reason we need that?
[10:36] <yofel> debfx: since you need to upload the package yourself anyway I don't believe there's a point in auto-updating symbolfiles. If we have a script to fetch buildlogs running pkgkde-symbolshelper batchpatch is easy
[10:37] <yofel> or well, you could script that
[10:38] <debfx> shadeslayer: need what?
[10:38] <shadeslayer> debfx: need a database
[10:39] <shadeslayer> why not just script the entire page using lplib and python?
[10:39] <debfx> yofel: you still need to run symbolshelper four times and select the build log
[10:39] <debfx> shadeslayer: for caching
[10:39] <shadeslayer> oh ... 
[10:39] <shadeslayer> -> web dev n00b
[10:42] <yofel> debfx: for fetching from launchpad you could check source_package.date_published, which goes into milliseconds if you remember the last time you updated the page
[10:43] <yofel> or rather binary_package.date_published
[10:44]  * yofel curses his connection
[10:46] <debfx> using the version should be enough
[10:46] <yofel> sure, but like this you don't have to cache the last version you fetched
[10:46] <yofel> hm, you have that probably anyway
[10:47] <debfx> shadeslayer: kdegames has missing files: /usr/share/kde4/apps/kajongg/player.py and /usr/share/kde4/apps/kajongg/tree.py
[10:47] <debfx> I'll add them to the install file
[10:48] <shadeslayer> please do, i'm a bit busy this week owing to GSoC 
[10:48] <shadeslayer> will finish up kate today tho
[11:20] <bambee> yofel: https://code.launchpad.net/~bambi/kubuntu-packaging/kde-workspace/+merge/67683
[11:21] <bambee> it's not UNRELEASED because this fix must be pushed into archives :)
[11:23] <bambee> (see the patch itself to be sure, the diff is not really explicit)
[11:23] <yofel> hm, kdemultimedia is marked as 'not in bzr' but it does seem to be in bzr
[11:24] <yofel> bambee: you misunderstood that, it's UNRELEASED. The person that *uploads* it changes that
[11:24] <yofel> if it's not unreleased people will think it's already uploaded
[11:25] <yofel> bambee: and the patch builds fine like that?
[11:25]  * yofel does a testbuild anyway
[11:31] <yofel> k, seems fine to me
[11:32] <yofel> hm, whoever uploaded workspace didn't fix the changelog
[11:34] <CIA-52> [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/kde-workspace] Philip Muškovac * 511 * debian/ (changelog patches/genkdmconf.diff) * Merge branch lp:~bambi/kubuntu-packaging/kde-workspace
[11:45] <debfx> bambee: what's the status of kdeplasma-addons?
[11:51] <bambee> yofel: thanks
[11:51] <bambee> debfx: there are missing files , right?
[11:51] <bambee> debfx: fixing
[11:52] <debfx> I haven't looked at it
[11:53] <yofel> there are 3 themes in list-missing
[12:10] <shadeslayer> feel free to jump in : http://lists.kde.org/?l=kde-licensing&m=131047220826396&w=2
[12:19] <yofel> shadeslayer: tell him we want some thanks for fixing most of that :P
[12:20] <shadeslayer> yofel: i did mention that in the second email 
[12:20] <shadeslayer> yofel: http://lists.kde.org/?l=kde-doc-english&m=131046472217373&w=2
[12:20] <shadeslayer> <3 the new qtcreator
[12:21] <yofel> ah true, that threaded behaviour is odd :/
[12:24] <shadeslayer> \o/ http://i.imgur.com/Qra5F.png
[12:26] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: new?
[12:27] <apachelogger> also your colors are broken
[12:27] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: qtcreator-2.2.81
[12:27] <shadeslayer> nah, they were broken earlier, i fixed the
[12:27] <shadeslayer> s/the/them/
[12:27] <kubotu> shadeslayer meant: "nah, themy were broken earlier, i fixed the"
[12:27] <yofel> nice, does it haz vi input mode? :P
[12:27] <shadeslayer> . . .
[12:27] <shadeslayer> yofel: yes
[12:27] <yofel> oh, cool :D
[12:28] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: so what is the newness?
[12:28]  * apachelogger is on 2.3 for like ages
[12:29] <shadeslayer> i was on whatever is in the archives for a couple of weeks
[12:29] <shadeslayer> the last time i tried 2.2.x it kept crashing in neon
[12:29] <apachelogger> probably a neon bug
[12:30] <apachelogger> the only thing that does not work for me is qmldump
[12:30] <apachelogger> well, it works technically, but only sometimes and it complains eitherway
[12:30] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: yeah, what is that anyway?
[12:30] <apachelogger> dumps qml type info from cpp
[12:30] <apachelogger> to use in the code model for autocompletion and in the qml designer
[12:31] <shadeslayer> wait what
[12:31] <shadeslayer> sounds funky
[12:31] <apachelogger> it requires private headers ^^
[12:31] <shadeslayer> i need to figure out whats the best way to access dbus interfaces using QML
[12:31] <apachelogger> all fun
[12:31] <apachelogger> so
[12:31] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: did you sees my meego video player?
[12:31] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: yus
[12:31] <apachelogger> also I broke me panda and I am not quite sure how
[12:32] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: can it play 720p ?
[12:32] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: already? :O
[12:32] <apachelogger> yus
[12:32] <apachelogger> perhaps the image is put
[12:32] <shadeslayer> you could probably RMA i
[12:32] <shadeslayer> *it
[12:34] <apachelogger> perhaps
[12:34]  * apachelogger wonders how to turn on verbose booting
[12:41] <yofel> apachelogger: where? kernel or upstart? (or panda?)
[12:45] <apachelogger> all of it
[12:45] <apachelogger> actually verbose kernel would help
[12:45] <shadeslayer> remove silent from boot args?
[12:46] <apachelogger> it uncompresses and then boots the kernel
[12:46] <shadeslayer> but i guess you already dud that
[12:46] <apachelogger> from there on I see nothing on rs232
[12:46] <shadeslayer> *did
[12:46] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: no such bootarg
[12:46] <apachelogger> also adding verbose to what seemed to be the bootargs did not do bonkers
[12:46] <apachelogger> perhaps the cmdline is compiled in *shrug*
[12:51] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: from what i can see on the ML, you can set bootargs
[12:51] <apachelogger> url?
[12:51] <shadeslayer> aha
[12:52] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: boot args are in /proc/cmdline
[12:52] <shadeslayer> can you edit that?
[12:54]  * apachelogger blinks
[12:54] <apachelogger> dude
[12:54] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: http://groups.google.com/group/pandaboard/browse_thread/thread/b87aa302a38b8678/1fd4949a44315096?lnk=gst&q=heat+sink
[12:54] <apachelogger> srsly
[12:54] <apachelogger> stop doing that to me
[12:54] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: does you haz ubuntu monospace font?
[12:54] <shadeslayer> um ... dunno
[12:54] <shadeslayer> unless the package was automatically updated, no
[12:56] <shadeslayer> heh : http://i.imgur.com/PmhDO.png
[12:56] <shadeslayer> talk about geometry in systemsettings
[12:56] <apachelogger> geometry?
[12:57] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: don't have monospace you-boon-too fonts
[12:57] <apachelogger> it happens
[12:57] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: http://groups.google.com/group/pandaboard/browse_thread/thread/553aa56ee1692b3e << this one talks about bootargs as well
[12:58] <apachelogger> good thing they are very open
[13:04] <apachelogger> I really do not get this
[13:04] <apachelogger> also I have too many cards
[13:04] <apachelogger> G
[13:04] <apachelogger> G+
[13:05] <apachelogger> I get the feeling it fails to bring up me display
[13:06] <apachelogger> no idea why that could be
[13:09] <ScottK> yofel: If that works, then I'd say we should get it in as a work around.
[13:10] <ScottK> shadeslayer: AFAIK there is not.  What's the question?
[13:10] <yofel> right, give me a moment to add a comment
[13:11] <shadeslayer> ScottK: http://lists.kde.org/?t=131046146600007&r=1&w=2
[13:15] <ScottK> shadeslayer: Without a license, they aren't distributable, so without a copy of the FDL, the FDL bits aren't distributable.  There's nothing uncertain about it.  External pointers that may change don't count.
[13:15] <ScottK> If they want relicense all the docs as GPL (with permission from the authors) then they don't need it.
[13:15] <shadeslayer> ScottK: right, but i just wanted to add some docs which state our policy
[13:16] <ScottK> It's not a question of policy, but legality.
[13:16] <CIA-52> [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/libkdcraw] Philip Muškovac * 7 * debian/rules document what the workaround is for
[13:17] <shadeslayer> ok, either way, this has caught their attention, and the thread might move to kde-core-devel
[13:20] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: what is the status of kate?
[13:20] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: still WIP, needs more splitting
[13:20] <shadeslayer> and then symbols etc for the new libs
[13:21] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: a bit busy with GSoC for the next few days, so its going to take a bit
[13:21] <shadeslayer> my code is ugly/dirty
[13:21] <apachelogger> ah, make up for lazyness
[13:21] <apachelogger> I see
[13:21] <apachelogger> might be a suspicious right before midterm :P
[13:22] <shadeslayer> actually, its just dirty, it works (TM)
[13:22] <shadeslayer> need to fix var naming and other minor things
[13:33] <ScottK> shadeslayer: http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-howto.html
[13:34] <ScottK> "You should also include a copy of the license itself somewhere in the distribution of your program. "
[13:34] <apachelogger> well, should
[13:34] <apachelogger> FDL actually is more explicit about this IIRC
[13:34] <apachelogger> for FDL you really must
[13:39] <shadeslayer> heh, in that case we need to discuss this on kde-core-devel
[13:46] <apachelogger> what is there to discuss? 
[13:46] <apachelogger> either it is properly licensed or it is not
[13:46]  * yofel wonders why nobody except us cares about this...
[13:53] <apachelogger> yofel: cuz it is a flipping pita
[13:53] <yofel> it sure is...
[13:57] <Riddell> adding licences isn't hard to fix for those who have kde commit access though
[13:58] <yofel> true, but if that wouldn't include most of us here it would be HELL
[13:58] <ScottK> This reminds me ....
[13:59] <ScottK> I wasn't very good about checking for Messages.sh in the split tarballs.
[13:59] <ScottK> We should watch for that in rc2 and fix them if it's missing.
[14:00] <yofel> ScottK: can you upload libkdcraw? so it's off the list for now
[14:00] <ScottK> yofel: It's in bzr?
[14:00] <yofel> yes
[14:00] <ScottK> I'll have a look.
[14:02] <ScottK> yofel: We only want that flag on armel.
[14:02]  * ScottK will fix
[14:02] <yofel> oops, right, thanks
[14:14] <Tm_T> yofel: if you have time and interest herding the support channel for some time, please do
[14:16] <ScottK> yofel: Done.  Thank you for your contribution to Kubuntu.
[14:19] <dantti> does someone knows how I can force an installation to pick the or depends? like I don't want apache and I have another http server but I thought it would pick automatically but seems it doesn't..
[14:20] <ScottK> If there is an or depends and it's already installed, it shouldn't pull in apache.
[14:21] <dantti> hmm weird... then
[14:21] <dantti> it's the mantis package on lucid and I already have nginx installed
[14:32] <Riddell> ngnix doesn't provide httpd
[14:32] <dantti> but httpd provide ngingx
[14:34] <tsimpson> nginx Provides: httpd in lucid
[14:37] <bambee> debfx: https://code.launchpad.net/~bambi/kubuntu-packaging/kdeplasma-addons/+merge/67711
[14:37] <bambee> ;)
[14:45] <yofel> that looks about right if there were no symbol updates
[14:45] <bambee> kubuntu-devs:  Can someone push lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/kde-workspace (the last fix) into archives ?
[14:45] <bambee> it fixes an important (and STUPID) bug :)
[14:46] <yofel> bambee: already in
[14:46] <bambee> yofel: lovely
[14:46] <yofel> thank debfx ;)
[14:46] <bambee> :D
[14:49] <ScottK> yofel: Win: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libkdcraw/4:4.6.90+repack1-0ubuntu2/+build/2622041
[14:51] <yofel> :D
[15:08] <ScottK> Riddell: With your upstream KDE licensing police hat on, I'd like to bring http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=277370 to your attention.  Seems a bit dodgy.
[15:08] <Riddell> ICM stuff is always evil for licencing
[15:08] <Riddell> I think it's what stops java being properly free
[15:11] <ScottK> The files have been there since ~2007 so I didn't block it from New here, but it ought to get a proper resolution upstream.
[15:12] <Riddell> krita/data/profiles/README seems OK
[15:13] <ScottK> profiles/srgb-d65.icm seems to be likely problematic.
[15:14] <ScottK> Copyright (c) 1998 Hewlett-Packard Company, no license, and the upstream comment is that one can download copies that are 'similar'
[15:23] <Riddell> that file is shipped with Windows
[15:24] <ScottK> Lovely.
[15:29] <Riddell> add the README from krita and remove that file should do it
[15:29] <Riddell> I'll comment on the bug
[16:12] <apachelogger> my oxygen is leaking memory
[16:18] <ScottK> apachelogger: Better than the reverse
[16:21] <apachelogger> perhaps
[16:27] <apachelogger> haha 
[16:27] <apachelogger> lol
[16:27] <apachelogger> kmix with pulse is rather awful
[16:27] <apachelogger> on amarok track changes it recreates the complete slider
[16:27] <apachelogger> whats more... it does that even when minimized to try
[16:27] <apachelogger> and people wonder where their battery goes
[16:39] <debfx> yofel: do you have an idea how I can get the build log of a package that has been copied over from the last release?
[16:39] <debfx> archive.getPublishedSources(...)[0].getBuilds() doesn't have any entries in that case
[16:46] <yofel> debfx: no idea :/
[16:51] <mfraz74> Are there any plans to put Amarok 2.4.2 in one of the Natty PPAs?
[18:08] <apachelogger> anyone around?
[18:08] <apachelogger> hello hello
[18:08] <apachelogger> omg
[18:10]  * charlie-tca is here, for what it is worth
[18:20]  * micahg waves to apachelogger 
[18:27] <apachelogger> charlie-tca, micahg: are you by any chance running amarok and kmix?
[18:27] <apachelogger> ah
[18:27] <apachelogger> nvm
[18:28] <charlie-tca> no
[18:34] <debfx> yofel: kdebase-bin needs to be transitional package as it has quite a few rdepends
[19:02] <CIA-52> [kmix] sitter * 1241346 * trunk/KDE/kdemultimedia/kmix/backends/mixer_pulse.cpp (log message trimmed)
[19:02] <CIA-52> Do not emit signals directly but queue invokeMethod them to resolve a memleak in
[19:02] <CIA-52> KMix/Oxygen caused by PA callbacks. Oxygen internally uses deleteLater to remove
[19:02] <apachelogger> debfx, yofel, ScottK: ^ please get that backported to at least natty
[19:05] <ScottK-droid> apachelogger: Need a lp bug with test case.
[19:05] <CIA-52> [kmix] sitter * 1241347 * branches/KDE/4.7/kdemultimedia/kmix/backends/mixer_pulse.cpp backport r1241346 Resolving a memleak in KMix/Oxygen caused by PA callbacks.
[19:05] <apachelogger> ScottK-droid: amarok + kmix -> swtich tracks -> watch ksysguard report increasing memusage
[19:05] <apachelogger> stopping/playing also works
[19:05] <apachelogger> also one sees the leak after like 5 tracks already
[19:07] <ScottK-droid> Someone files the bug, I'll do the sru.
[19:28] <Quintasan> yofel: ping
[19:35] <Quintasan> brr
[19:38] <yofel_> debfx: k, I'll add it back
[19:38] <Quintasan> yofel_: brb shopping, libkdcraw still needs uploading?
[19:38] <yofel_> Quintasan: pong
[19:38] <yofel_> nope, done
[19:38]  * Quintasan marks as done
[19:39] <yofel> someone could upload cantor, doesn't look like it's going to be fixed anytime soon
[19:39] <yofel> so upload with the backends that are built
[19:39]  * Quintasan leaves kdemultimedia testbuilds and goes to shop
[19:40] <yofel> Quintasan: I did a testbuild of multimedia earlier, fine except some new symbols which I put into bzr
[19:40] <Quintasan> yofel: Good. One more testbuild before upload won't hurt :P
[19:40] <yofel> .9
[19:40] <yofel> bah
[19:40] <yofel> :)
[19:43] <Quintasan> yofel: I'm getting missing symbols on i386...
[19:44] <yofel> fun
[19:44] <Quintasan> http://paste.kde.org/95143
[19:44] <yofel> IIRC there was a package that had symbols on i386 that weren't on amd64 too
[19:45] <yofel> Quintasan: is that pbuilder up-to-date? meaning: really synced with archive toolchain
[19:45]  * Quintasan updates
[19:46] <Quintasan> oh
[19:46] <Quintasan> gcc updates
[19:46] <yofel> the *D0Ev@Base etc. symbols seem to be a recent addition
[19:46] <Quintasan> K, gotta run to shop if I want to buy something
[19:47] <yofel> sure
[19:56] <_Groo_> hi/2 all
[19:56] <_Groo_> apachelogger: ping
[19:57] <_Groo_> apachelogger: are you there m8?
[20:08] <_Groo_> anyone alive?
[20:11] <_Groo_> apachelogger: ping
[20:12] <yofel> he made the emprie of phonon so large that he's now lost in the hallways
[20:13] <_Groo_> yofel: yeah its about phonon, more precisely the gstreamer backend i want to talk with him about
[20:13] <_Groo_> does he mantains the dragon player too?
[20:13] <_Groo_> or thats kde multimedia guys?
[20:13] <yofel> well, he should get back eventually
[20:13] <_Groo_> he prolly went out to get booze
[20:13] <yofel> no idea, although I think he occupied kdemultimedia in rhonda
[20:14] <yofel> so he should own that too now
[20:14] <_Groo_> yofel: k
[20:15] <debfx> ScottK-droid: kdegraphics-thumbnailers is NEW
[20:16] <ScottK-droid> K. Will look when I get home.
[20:16] <debfx> thanks
[20:18] <debfx> why do we install kdegraphics-strigi-plugins by default? the pdf support for strigi?
[20:27] <debfx> hm I think it doesn't even provide that
[20:28] <debfx> Riddell: do you remember why kdegraphics-strigi-plugins is in the desktop seed?
[20:28] <Quintasan> yofel: K, no missing symbols now
[20:28] <Quintasan> yofel: reviewing and uploading
[20:29] <Quintasan> oh wait
[20:29] <Quintasan> why review
[20:29] <Quintasan> that did not change at all
[20:30] <yofel> you did that, I just added some symbols
[20:30] <Quintasan> I know
[20:30] <Quintasan> hmm
[20:31] <Quintasan> is there a specific term for "understanding what are you reading" in English?
[20:32] <yofel> a) I believe that should be "understanding what you are reading" b) no idea
[20:33] <Quintasan> Maybe ScottK knows ^
[20:33] <Quintasan> reading comprehension?
[20:33] <ScottK> reading comprehension is good
[20:34] <yofel> hm, sounds about right indeed
[20:35] <Quintasan> So, I read the changelog proactively trying to understand what it says instead of just looking at it
[20:35] <Quintasan> kdemultimedia uploaded
[20:51] <ScottK> debfx: Is kdegraphics-thumbnailers new for 4.7?
[20:51] <ScottK> I'm trying to figure out if the source was previously in Main or not.
[20:54] <debfx> ScottK: the files were in kdegraphics-strigi-plugins
[20:54] <ScottK> debfx: Thanks.
[20:55] <debfx> ScottK: imho we should just drop kdegraphics-strigi-plugins from the seeds and move it to universe
[20:55] <ScottK> debfx: I'll accept it into Main and then we can decide that later.  That way if we want it, it's easier to keep.
[20:56] <debfx> libkipi_4.6.90+repack-0ubuntu2_source.changes rejected *sigh*
[20:56] <debfx> ScottK: could you sponsor that?
[20:56] <ScottK> SUre.
[20:57] <ScottK> thumbnailers source accepted.
[20:59] <ScottK> debfx: All the libkipi changes aren't in debian/changelog.  I'm not going to fix it, but I think that it's better to be more verbose.
[21:00] <ScottK> debfx: Uploaded.
[21:17] <yofel> debfx: we need to drop that anyway since it's a transitional package for kdegraphics-strigi-analyzer and kdegraphics-thumbnailers
[21:18] <yofel> put both of them in universe? (if yes, meta-kde needs an update)
[21:18] <yofel> I'm not sure if we should really drop the strigi-analyzer
[21:19] <debfx> yofel: it only provides support for dvi and tiff
[21:20] <yofel> well, ok then
[21:20] <yofel> we need a better plugin system :/
[21:23] <debfx> plugin system for what?
[21:23] <yofel> how are people supposed to know that you can install the packages?
[21:23] <_Groo_> join #calligra
[21:24]  * yofel hands _Groo_ a slash
[21:24]  * _Groo_ cuts himself :P
[21:25] <yofel> shadeslayer: talked to upstream re gwenview docs?
[21:25] <yofel> if not I'll file a bug
[21:25] <_Groo_> my personal calligra packages are starting to achieve stable status :D
[21:25] <_Groo_> i build calligra for natty once a week, waiting for the next beta/rc
[21:26] <_Groo_> so ill just have to upload them staging for your guys pleasure and amusement
[21:26] <yofel> _Groo_: good, then make the alpha3 into something that can be considered for some PPA ;)
[21:26] <_Groo_> yofel: well i didnt upload it yet, cause quitte frankly there are not quitte there yet
[21:26] <_Groo_> crashes are rare now
[21:26] <_Groo_> but is still has a lot of missing stuff
[21:27] <_Groo_> like flow is missing the connect shapes engine... or at least the funcionality
[21:27] <_Groo_> but its getting there
[21:27] <_Groo_> and it will rock when it goes gold.. i love it already
[21:27] <_Groo_> very fast, very feature rich... really good indeed
[21:37] <CIA-52> [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/kde-baseapps] Philip Muškovac * 179 * debian/ (changelog control) Add transitional package for kdebase-bin since many packages still depend on it
[21:37] <yofel> debfx: ^
[21:39] <Riddell> debfx: why shouldn't kdegraphics-strigi-plugins be in the desktop seed?
[21:39] <yofel> Riddell: for one it's a transitional package, and I'm not sure we need the 2 packages that replace it in there either
[21:40] <debfx> Riddell: it might be unneeded functionality for the default installation
[21:40] <debfx> yofel: thanks
[21:40] <yofel> debfx: I'll do a ppa upload first to check if something else has unverioned breaks against it
[21:41] <yofel> *unversioned
[21:41] <Riddell> if it's a transitional package then it should be replaced with whatever the new packages are
[21:41] <Riddell> and indeed you could argue it's not needed at all since we don't have strigi on by default
[21:41] <Riddell> although I've had strigi on by default for a while and it doesn't get in my way
[21:43]  * yofel checks what's up with kdevelop
[21:45] <debfx> Riddell: it's not about strigi in general, that package only provides plugins for dvi, tiff and mobipocket
[21:46] <Riddell> debfx: yep.  I wonder what mobipocket is
[21:49] <Riddell> well remove it from the seed if you don't like it
[22:01] <ScottK> kdegraphics-thumbnailers binaries accepted.
[22:06] <yofel> shadeslayer: no idea how you got kdevelop to build, either your pbuilder is fooey or I'll blame new cmake. Fails on both i386 and amd64 for me
[22:08] <debfx> apachelogger: any progress with the mobipocket package?
[22:57] <apachelogger> debfx: yesterday also was phonon day, so will be today
[22:57] <apachelogger> most likely, except that I'll probably do linaro sd card image for freescale QSB so that jussi gets happier
[22:59] <yofel> debfx: kdebase-bin installs fine, so feel free to upload
[23:01] <yofel> shadeslayer: see my change to kevelop, and ask upstream about some proper 4.7 support
[23:01]  * yofel is off to bed, good night