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Ursinhabug 80909701:55
ubot4Launchpad bug 809097 in launchpad "Can't mark a blueprint as superseded by another blueprint from a different project (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/80909701:55
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brendandjibel - i think this bug needs assigning https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/compiz/+bug/80663610:25
ubot4Launchpad bug 806636 in compiz (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "[Oneiric] Compiz fails to update window title until focused window is changed for a number of applications (gedit, eog, chromium) (affects: 2) (dups: 2) (heat: 22)" [High,Confirmed]10:25
brendandam i allowed to assign as bug-control?10:26
seb128brendand, the bug you closed as duplicate was properly targetted and assigned...10:27
seb128brendand, usually when a bug is properly targetted and assigned don't close it10:28
seb128brendand, now you create extra work to find somebody to redo the triaging work which was already properly done10:28
brendandseb128 - sorry, it wasn't assigned when i started looking at it10:29
seb128brendand, hum, I assigned it sam yesterday evening10:30
seb128when I added my comment10:30
seb128well, anyway seems jibel fixed it ;-)10:30
jibelbrendand, lowered to medium10:30
seb128hey jibel!10:31
jibelSalut seb12810:31
jibelmorning brendand !10:31
brendandanyway, my apologies - the older bug was already confirmed and having the exact same symptom10:32
seb128brendand, no worry10:33
brendandi also don't think the chromium issue is the same thing, trying to get a confirmation from the reporter of that one10:34
brendandchromium doesn't display the page title when the window isn't maximised10:35
brendandseems by design, or a regression in chromium10:35
brendandsince the same behaviour is in compiz & metacity10:35
brendandokay, also same issue in totem10:38
brendandso it's any gnome app that tries to update the title10:38
brendandstill Medium?10:38
seb128it's only cosmetic10:41
seb128so medium seems ok10:41
brendandgedit also doesn't scratch out the 'saved' star when you press save10:42
brendandthat's functionality10:42
brendandmedium is okay though10:42
seb128when did that start?10:42
brendandwell, original report is from last week - but i'm sure i was noticing the 'save' problem before then10:43
brendandeven before the platform rally10:43
seb128ok, trying to rule out components because compiz didn't get a lot of updates in oneiric10:45
brendandfor some reason i can't reproduce the problem with gedit right now10:46
brendandwonder what i did10:46
brendandconfirmed in pretty much any application which changes the titlebar10:55
brendandfirefox, banshee10:55
brendandshould be high10:55
jibelthe retracer should definitely not touch reports that are already targeted or triaged in some way :(12:06
seb128jibel, or bugs that are not retraced yet should not be targeted and triaged12:07
seb128jibel, said differently "yes, that would be nice but it would requires teaching apport what is a bug triaged or which ones are fine to close or not"12:09
jibelseb128, lesson learned, I'll unsubscribe the retracer and remove the need-retracing tag next time.12:09
seb128jibel, it might be easier to just not use non retraced bugs for tracking12:09
seb128jibel, or ping us to get the bug retraced12:09
seb128then you can triage it12:09
jibelseb128, I meant the duplicate checker sorry.12:11
seb128jibel, sorry about the issue and about the retracer being down for a while12:12
jibelseb128, no problem12:12
jibelbut it is sometimes confused by similar traces. For example it marked all the recent GConf import error in update-manager duplicate of bug 441483 which is unrelated.12:13
ubot4Launchpad bug 441483 in python-support (Ubuntu) "update-manager crashed with ImportError in <module>() (affects: 82) (dups: 96) (heat: 752)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/44148312:13
seb128jibel, yeah, tricky since the signature is similar12:22
mvo*coug* I need to fix this one12:27
jibelseb128, the same problem happens with other packages like dpkg, aptdaemon or ubiquity for example when the trace is rather generic.12:28
seb128jibel, open an apport bug with some example and assign it to pitti maybe?12:28
seb128mvo, you can probably close this one since you stopped used gconf12:28
seb128or ignore me, I didn't read the bug12:29
seb128just the gconf import error part ;-)12:29
jibelmvo, I'm closing bug 441483, will point users to bug 807715 and won't move the duplicates to the right report to avoid useless email noise.12:35
ubot4Launchpad bug 441483 in python-support (Ubuntu) "update-manager crashed with ImportError in <module>() (affects: 82) (dups: 96) (heat: 752)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/44148312:35
ubot4Launchpad bug 807715 in update-manager (Ubuntu Oneiric) (and 1 other project) "Missing dependency on gir1.2-gconf-2.0 (affects: 21) (dups: 10) (heat: 136)" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/80771512:35
wagafoA question: if a reference to an upstream bug is entered to a bug, what is the status that has to be entered to the original package in the bug? "confirmed"? or leave it as "new"?12:46
brendandwagafo - what's the status of the upstream bug? was it an existing one or did you just create it?12:50
wagafoThe upstream was an existing bug on "evince" and it was marked as a bug actually in "poppler" , sort of a regression because it was something fixed that started misfunctioning again. If you want to take a look it is bug #80889412:57
ubot4Launchpad bug 808894 in evince (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "bad selected text rendering (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/80889412:57
wagafoNow I see it has been market as "triaged", but still interested in knowing what should I have entered.12:59
brendandwagafo - if you can't confirm it in ubuntu then leave it at new13:00
brendandwagafo - in this case it was easily confirmable13:00
brendandin fact it's still there in oneiric13:01
wagafoYes, it was confirmable. Understood and thanks!13:01
pedro_the bug should be reassigned to poppler though13:02
pedro_the upstream gnome task closed, and you need to open a new one for poppler13:02
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wagafopedro_ : thanks, we'll do13:02
pedro_wagafo, you're welcome, thanks for helping13:02
hggdhgood morning pedro_ & jibel13:26
hggdhand brendand :-)13:26
pedro_moi moi hggdh jibel :-)13:26
jibelgoodmorning hggdh and pedro_13:26
hggdhmoi, moi & moi13:27
pedro_xchat-gnome-indicator is great13:31
brendandgood morning hggdh13:32
seb128pedro_, is it?13:32
brendandcertainly a lot better than not having xchat/-gnome-indicator13:33
pedro_seb128, it does what i want to , at least i'm not missing messages :-P13:33
brendandam i right in thinking it's recommended by xchat in oneiric?13:34
seb128it is13:34
seb128xchat-gnome (1:0.30.0~git20100421.29cc76-1ubuntu2) oneiric; urgency=low13:34
seb128  [ Jorge Castro ]13:34
seb128  * Recommend xchat-gnome-indicator to get Unity integration (LP: #790821)13:34
brendandwas thinking i didn't install it explicitly13:35
brendanddidn't have to!13:35
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hggdhwell, there is no boredom on Oneiric14:15
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brendandpedro_ - empty mail?14:53
jibelpedro_, bugday email is empty14:53
hggdhjibel, pedro_: would you have nvidia?14:57
jibelhggdh, I do, but on a stable system14:57
pedro_brendand, jibel ! oh i blame evolution14:57
* pedro_ checking14:57
brendandso do i14:57
hggdhreason is, after the Most Recent Updates (TM) on Oneiric I lost nVidia (nouveau now kicks in, no matter what) and by Unity is ah, quite weird14:58
pedro_odd it appears empty in my sent folder as well14:58
jibelhggdh, I lied. it's an ATI, I have an nvidia with oneiric if you want to test something.14:59
hggdhjibel: if you can update to latest and reboot, I would like to know if nouveau kicks in14:59
hggdh*even* with nvidia set up14:59
jibelpedro_, the 'compose' feature of evolution has been moved to thunderbird ;-)14:59
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hggdhpedro_: and -- gasp! -- now it works15:00
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roadmrpedro_: I got the Ubuntu Bug Day mail but it's empty :(15:05
pedro_roadmr, yeah evolution fault15:06
roadmrpedro_: ok :)15:06
hggdhhum. jibel is not back yet...15:11
* hggdh wonders if jibel reproduced the issue(s)15:12
jibelhggdh, nouveau and nvidia are ok here15:15
jibelhggdh, if nvidia-current is installed it is loaded otherwise it falls back to nouveau15:16
hggdhjibel: OK, must be something here15:16
jibelhggdh, and xorg.conf is just15:17
jibelSection "Screen"15:17
jibel    Identifier  "Default Screen"15:17
jibel    DefaultDepth    2415:17
hggdhah, just found libdrm\* as being from the xorg-edgers15:17
pedro_oh evolution, i'm not loving you today...15:27
pedro_announcement resend15:27
pedro_brendand, jibel roadmr thanks for the ping about it :-)15:27
* charlie-tca thinks pedro_ should go to claws-mail; it "just works"15:28
brendandso does thunderbird15:28
* jibel thinks mutt is the way to go, full screen email client in Unity.15:28
brendandthank god it'll be default in oneiric15:29
jibelmutt default in Oneiric ?15:29
pedro_charlie-tca, is that the evolution kind of looking email client?15:29
charlie-tcapedro_: don't really know, haven't used anything else in about three years15:30
jibelcharlie-tca, mutt has perfect screen reader support too.15:30
pedro_mutt? come on be serious15:30
charlie-tcajibel: I have enough problems making this weechat work in terminals15:30
charlie-tcaBut I can believe mutt has screen-reader support. It seems almost perfect!15:31
roadmrmutt forever!15:31
* charlie-tca likes his GUI though!15:32
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dholbachhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDeveloperWeek Day 2 starting in 23 minutes in #ubuntu-classroom15:37
davmor2brendand: tell my oneiric install on netbook that 132% cpu usage from thunderbird15:40
brendanddavmor2 - that's true. still, it does what i want it to (and more importantly doesn't do what i don't want it to)15:42
davmor2brendand: Evolution worked fine on that netbook, as does claws, and slypheed (or whatever it's called)15:43
brendanda problem with saving/setting a setting is probably going to be in gnome-settings-daemon, right?15:49
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seb128brendand, that control center dialog and option for autologin is new, it's not something which worked and got broken16:14
brendandsure the dialog is new, but the ability to change it isn't16:16
brendandthus, it worked and then it didn't16:17
brendandor is autologin not the same as 'don't ask for password on login'?16:22
pedro_brendand, on bug 808136 is better to wait for it to get retraced instead of just closing it if the user cannot provide steps to reproduce it16:29
ubot4Launchpad bug 808136 in gnome-control-center (Ubuntu) "gnome-control-center crashed with SIGSEGV (affects: 1) (heat: 10)" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/80813616:29
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hggdhthis is... different. I boot normally, get Nouveau loaded, even if /etc/modprobe.d has a blacklist for it. I boot in recovery mode, Nouveau is *not* loaded16:40
brendandpedro_ - oh, it won't get retraced if it's closed... yes16:55
komputespedro_: hggdh: I see a maeeting for now in the fridge cal http://ubuntu-news.org/calendars/fridge/17:28
komputestopic says meeting on the 14th, don't see it in the cal.17:28
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charlie-tcaMeetings were changed to Thursday17:38
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jibelkamusin, I'm not sure to understand bug 809500, do you use unity ?19:27
ubot4Launchpad bug 809500 in gnome-terminal (Ubuntu) "terminal is not remembering my preference (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/80950019:27
kamusinjibel, yes.. I use unity-2d19:35
kamusinthe problem is that gnome-terminal is not remembering some settings for instance in this case the "Show menu bar" (not sure if is the exactly translation)19:36
jibelkamusin, the menu is integrated to the top panel then and it is not applicable there, isn't it ?19:38
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kamusinthat could be another problem thought heh19:39
jibelkamusin, are there any other setting that gnome-terminal doesn't remember ?19:39
kamusinjibel, let me check19:40
jibelkamusin, if not, that's likely a dup of bug 72804019:40
ubot4Launchpad bug 728040 in gnome-terminal (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Global Menu: Terminal: View->Show Menubar toggle makes no sense (affects: 4) (dups: 1) (heat: 48)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/72804019:40
kamusinjibel, heh got it19:41
kamusinis a duplicate of that report, thank you19:42
kamusinhowever, seems like is just affecting to unity 3d in that case.. in my case I'm running unity-2d19:43
jibelkamusin, the behavior should be the same, if not that is a bug indeed. I'm trying it now.19:44
jibelkamusin, there's really a bug in gnome-terminal. I tried in gnome instead of Unity and it fails to remember this setting.19:49
jibelkamusin, thanks for catching this19:49
kamusinjibel, np ;)19:49
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