[01:00] <jamesensor> hello everyone, can someone advise me with hard disk errors caused by ubuntu? load unload cycles on a western digital hd
[01:55] <Ursinha> bug 809097
[01:55] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 809097 in launchpad "Can't mark a blueprint as superseded by another blueprint from a different project (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/809097
[04:28] <benonsoftware> Hi all
[04:28] <hggdh> eeeBotu will be offline for a few minutes, while it moves to a new server
[04:29] <benonsoftware> Does anyone know of a package that needs 'adopting'?
[04:39] <hggdh> eeeBotu is back. Thank you for your patience
[04:40]  * micahg hugs hggdh 
[04:40]  * hggdh hugs micahg :-)
[04:41] <hggdh> and, with that, another old server bites the dust (and the last I had still running Hardy)
[10:25] <brendand> jibel - i think this bug needs assigning https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/compiz/+bug/806636
[10:25] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 806636 in compiz (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "[Oneiric] Compiz fails to update window title until focused window is changed for a number of applications (gedit, eog, chromium) (affects: 2) (dups: 2) (heat: 22)" [High,Confirmed]
[10:26] <brendand> am i allowed to assign as bug-control?
[10:27] <seb128> brendand, the bug you closed as duplicate was properly targetted and assigned...
[10:28] <seb128> brendand, usually when a bug is properly targetted and assigned don't close it
[10:28] <seb128> brendand, now you create extra work to find somebody to redo the triaging work which was already properly done
[10:29] <brendand> seb128 - sorry, it wasn't assigned when i started looking at it
[10:30] <seb128> brendand, hum, I assigned it sam yesterday evening
[10:30] <seb128> when I added my comment
[10:30] <seb128> well, anyway seems jibel fixed it ;-)
[10:30] <jibel> brendand, lowered to medium
[10:31] <seb128> hey jibel!
[10:31] <jibel> Salut seb128
[10:31] <jibel> morning brendand !
[10:32] <brendand> anyway, my apologies - the older bug was already confirmed and having the exact same symptom
[10:33] <seb128> brendand, no worry
[10:34] <brendand> i also don't think the chromium issue is the same thing, trying to get a confirmation from the reporter of that one
[10:35] <brendand> chromium doesn't display the page title when the window isn't maximised
[10:35] <brendand> seems by design, or a regression in chromium
[10:35] <brendand> since the same behaviour is in compiz & metacity
[10:38] <brendand> okay, also same issue in totem
[10:38] <brendand> so it's any gnome app that tries to update the title
[10:38] <brendand> still Medium?
[10:41] <seb128> it's only cosmetic
[10:41] <seb128> so medium seems ok
[10:41] <brendand> dunno
[10:42] <brendand> gedit also doesn't scratch out the 'saved' star when you press save
[10:42] <brendand> that's functionality
[10:42] <brendand> medium is okay though
[10:42] <seb128> when did that start?
[10:43] <brendand> well, original report is from last week - but i'm sure i was noticing the 'save' problem before then
[10:43] <brendand> even before the platform rally
[10:45] <seb128> ok, trying to rule out components because compiz didn't get a lot of updates in oneiric
[10:46] <brendand> for some reason i can't reproduce the problem with gedit right now
[10:46] <brendand> wonder what i did
[10:55] <brendand> confirmed in pretty much any application which changes the titlebar
[10:55] <brendand> firefox, banshee
[10:55] <brendand> should be high
[12:06] <jibel> the retracer should definitely not touch reports that are already targeted or triaged in some way :(
[12:07] <seb128> jibel, or bugs that are not retraced yet should not be targeted and triaged
[12:09] <seb128> jibel, said differently "yes, that would be nice but it would requires teaching apport what is a bug triaged or which ones are fine to close or not"
[12:09] <jibel> seb128, lesson learned, I'll unsubscribe the retracer and remove the need-retracing tag next time.
[12:09] <seb128> jibel, it might be easier to just not use non retraced bugs for tracking
[12:09] <seb128> jibel, or ping us to get the bug retraced
[12:09] <seb128> then you can triage it
[12:11] <jibel> seb128, I meant the duplicate checker sorry.
[12:12] <seb128> jibel, sorry about the issue and about the retracer being down for a while
[12:12] <jibel> seb128, no problem
[12:13] <jibel> but it is sometimes confused by similar traces. For example it marked all the recent GConf import error in update-manager duplicate of bug 441483 which is unrelated.
[12:13] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 441483 in python-support (Ubuntu) "update-manager crashed with ImportError in <module>() (affects: 82) (dups: 96) (heat: 752)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/441483
[12:22] <seb128> jibel, yeah, tricky since the signature is similar
[12:27] <mvo> *coug* I need to fix this one
[12:28] <jibel> seb128, the same problem happens with other packages like dpkg, aptdaemon or ubiquity for example when the trace is rather generic.
[12:28] <seb128> jibel, open an apport bug with some example and assign it to pitti maybe?
[12:28] <seb128> mvo, you can probably close this one since you stopped used gconf
[12:29] <seb128> or ignore me, I didn't read the bug
[12:29] <seb128> just the gconf import error part ;-)
[12:30] <mvo> yeah
[12:35] <jibel> mvo, I'm closing bug 441483, will point users to bug 807715 and won't move the duplicates to the right report to avoid useless email noise.
[12:35] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 441483 in python-support (Ubuntu) "update-manager crashed with ImportError in <module>() (affects: 82) (dups: 96) (heat: 752)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/441483
[12:35] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 807715 in update-manager (Ubuntu Oneiric) (and 1 other project) "Missing dependency on gir1.2-gconf-2.0 (affects: 21) (dups: 10) (heat: 136)" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/807715
[12:46] <wagafo> A question: if a reference to an upstream bug is entered to a bug, what is the status that has to be entered to the original package in the bug? "confirmed"? or leave it as "new"?
[12:50] <brendand> wagafo - what's the status of the upstream bug? was it an existing one or did you just create it?
[12:57] <wagafo> The upstream was an existing bug on "evince" and it was marked as a bug actually in "poppler" , sort of a regression because it was something fixed that started misfunctioning again. If you want to take a look it is bug #808894
[12:57] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 808894 in evince (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "bad selected text rendering (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/808894
[12:59] <wagafo> Now I see it has been market as "triaged", but still interested in knowing what should I have entered.
[13:00] <brendand> wagafo - if you can't confirm it in ubuntu then leave it at new
[13:00] <brendand> wagafo - in this case it was easily confirmable
[13:01] <brendand> in fact it's still there in oneiric
[13:01] <wagafo> Yes, it was confirmable. Understood and thanks!
[13:02] <pedro_> the bug should be reassigned to poppler though
[13:02] <pedro_> the upstream gnome task closed, and you need to open a new one for poppler
[13:02] <wagafo> pedro_ : thanks, we'll do
[13:02] <pedro_> wagafo, you're welcome, thanks for helping
[13:26] <hggdh> good morning pedro_ & jibel
[13:26] <hggdh> and brendand :-)
[13:26] <pedro_> moi moi hggdh jibel :-)
[13:26] <jibel> goodmorning hggdh and pedro_
[13:27] <hggdh> moi, moi & moi
[13:31] <pedro_> xchat-gnome-indicator is great
[13:32] <brendand> good morning hggdh
[13:32] <seb128> pedro_, is it?
[13:33] <brendand> certainly a lot better than not having xchat/-gnome-indicator
[13:33] <pedro_> seb128, it does what i want to , at least i'm not missing messages :-P
[13:33] <seb128> ;-)
[13:34] <brendand> am i right in thinking it's recommended by xchat in oneiric?
[13:34] <seb128> it is
[13:34] <seb128> xchat-gnome (1:0.30.0~git20100421.29cc76-1ubuntu2) oneiric; urgency=low
[13:34] <seb128>   [ Jorge Castro ]
[13:34] <seb128>   * Recommend xchat-gnome-indicator to get Unity integration (LP: #790821)
[13:34] <brendand> nice!
[13:35] <brendand> was thinking i didn't install it explicitly
[13:35] <brendand> didn't have to!
[14:15] <hggdh> well, there is no boredom on Oneiric
[14:53] <brendand> pedro_ - empty mail?
[14:53] <jibel> pedro_, bugday email is empty
[14:53] <jibel> :)
[14:57] <hggdh> jibel, pedro_: would you have nvidia?
[14:57] <jibel> hggdh, I do, but on a stable system
[14:57] <pedro_> brendand, jibel ! oh i blame evolution
[14:57]  * pedro_ checking
[14:57] <brendand> so do i
[14:58] <hggdh> reason is, after the Most Recent Updates (TM) on Oneiric I lost nVidia (nouveau now kicks in, no matter what) and by Unity is ah, quite weird
[14:58] <pedro_> odd it appears empty in my sent folder as well
[14:59] <jibel> hggdh, I lied. it's an ATI, I have an nvidia with oneiric if you want to test something.
[14:59] <hggdh> jibel: if you can update to latest and reboot, I would like to know if nouveau kicks in
[14:59] <hggdh> *even* with nvidia set up
[14:59] <jibel> pedro_, the 'compose' feature of evolution has been moved to thunderbird ;-)
[15:00] <pedro_> lol
[15:00] <hggdh> pedro_: and -- gasp! -- now it works
[15:02]  * jibel reboots
[15:05] <roadmr> pedro_: I got the Ubuntu Bug Day mail but it's empty :(
[15:06] <pedro_> roadmr, yeah evolution fault
[15:06] <roadmr> pedro_: ok :)
[15:11] <hggdh> hum. jibel is not back yet...
[15:12]  * hggdh wonders if jibel reproduced the issue(s)
[15:15] <jibel> hggdh, nouveau and nvidia are ok here
[15:15] <hggdh> darn!
[15:16] <jibel> hggdh, if nvidia-current is installed it is loaded otherwise it falls back to nouveau
[15:16] <hggdh> jibel: OK, must be something here
[15:17] <jibel> hggdh, and xorg.conf is just
[15:17] <jibel> Section "Screen"
[15:17] <jibel>     Identifier  "Default Screen"
[15:17] <jibel>     DefaultDepth    24
[15:17] <jibel> EndSection
[15:17] <hggdh> ah, just found libdrm\* as being from the xorg-edgers
[15:27] <pedro_> oh evolution, i'm not loving you today...
[15:27] <pedro_> announcement resend
[15:27] <pedro_> brendand, jibel roadmr thanks for the ping about it :-)
[15:28]  * charlie-tca thinks pedro_ should go to claws-mail; it "just works"
[15:28] <brendand> so does thunderbird
[15:28]  * jibel thinks mutt is the way to go, full screen email client in Unity.
[15:29] <brendand> thank god it'll be default in oneiric
[15:29] <jibel> mutt default in Oneiric ?
[15:29] <brendand> thunderbird
[15:29] <charlie-tca> mutt?
[15:29] <pedro_> charlie-tca, is that the evolution kind of looking email client?
[15:30] <charlie-tca> pedro_: don't really know, haven't used anything else in about three years
[15:30] <jibel> charlie-tca, mutt has perfect screen reader support too.
[15:30] <pedro_> mutt? come on be serious
[15:30] <charlie-tca> jibel: I have enough problems making this weechat work in terminals
[15:31] <charlie-tca> But I can believe mutt has screen-reader support. It seems almost perfect!
[15:31] <roadmr> mutt forever!
[15:32]  * charlie-tca likes his GUI though!
[15:37] <dholbach> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDeveloperWeek Day 2 starting in 23 minutes in #ubuntu-classroom
[15:40] <davmor2> brendand: tell my oneiric install on netbook that 132% cpu usage from thunderbird
[15:42] <brendand> davmor2 - that's true. still, it does what i want it to (and more importantly doesn't do what i don't want it to)
[15:43] <davmor2> brendand: Evolution worked fine on that netbook, as does claws, and slypheed (or whatever it's called)
[15:49] <brendand> a problem with saving/setting a setting is probably going to be in gnome-settings-daemon, right?
[16:14] <seb128> brendand, that control center dialog and option for autologin is new, it's not something which worked and got broken
[16:16] <brendand> sure the dialog is new, but the ability to change it isn't
[16:17] <brendand> thus, it worked and then it didn't
[16:22] <brendand> or is autologin not the same as 'don't ask for password on login'?
[16:29] <pedro_> brendand, on bug 808136 is better to wait for it to get retraced instead of just closing it if the user cannot provide steps to reproduce it
[16:29] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 808136 in gnome-control-center (Ubuntu) "gnome-control-center crashed with SIGSEGV (affects: 1) (heat: 10)" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/808136
[16:40] <hggdh> this is... different. I boot normally, get Nouveau loaded, even if /etc/modprobe.d has a blacklist for it. I boot in recovery mode, Nouveau is *not* loaded
[16:55] <brendand> pedro_ - oh, it won't get retraced if it's closed... yes
[17:28] <komputes> pedro_: hggdh: I see a maeeting for now in the fridge cal http://ubuntu-news.org/calendars/fridge/
[17:28] <komputes> topic says meeting on the 14th, don't see it in the cal.
[17:38] <charlie-tca> Meetings were changed to Thursday
[19:27] <jibel> kamusin, I'm not sure to understand bug 809500, do you use unity ?
[19:27] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 809500 in gnome-terminal (Ubuntu) "terminal is not remembering my preference (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/809500
[19:35] <kamusin> jibel, yes.. I use unity-2d
[19:36] <kamusin> the problem is that gnome-terminal is not remembering some settings for instance in this case the "Show menu bar" (not sure if is the exactly translation)
[19:38] <jibel> kamusin, the menu is integrated to the top panel then and it is not applicable there, isn't it ?
[19:39] <kamusin> that could be another problem thought heh
[19:39] <jibel> kamusin, are there any other setting that gnome-terminal doesn't remember ?
[19:40] <kamusin> jibel, let me check
[19:40] <jibel> kamusin, if not, that's likely a dup of bug 728040
[19:40] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 728040 in gnome-terminal (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Global Menu: Terminal: View->Show Menubar toggle makes no sense (affects: 4) (dups: 1) (heat: 48)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/728040
[19:41] <kamusin> jibel, heh got it
[19:42] <kamusin> is a duplicate of that report, thank you
[19:43] <kamusin> however, seems like is just affecting to unity 3d in that case.. in my case I'm running unity-2d
[19:44] <jibel> kamusin, the behavior should be the same, if not that is a bug indeed. I'm trying it now.
[19:49] <jibel> kamusin, there's really a bug in gnome-terminal. I tried in gnome instead of Unity and it fails to remember this setting.
[19:49] <jibel> kamusin, thanks for catching this
[19:49] <kamusin> jibel, np ;)