[00:00] <TheEvilPhoenix> ntoombs_:  is the web server running?
[00:00] <TheEvilPhoenix> i.e. the apache part
[00:01] <ntoombs_> TheEvilPhoenix: Yes I can access it just fine localy
[00:02] <TheEvilPhoenix> and is it binding to *:80?
[00:02] <TheEvilPhoenix> just to make sure that its reading outside connections
[00:03] <ntoombs_> http://pastebin.com/Rzyukbit
[00:04] <TheEvilPhoenix> ntoombs_:  can I /query ya for a sec
[00:04] <ntoombs_> yes
[02:00] <ntoombs> Hi. I'm having problems opeing port 80 for my LAMP server. I have opened port 22 sucessfully for an ssh connection the same way I opened port 80 however, port 80 still remains closed. I have called my ISP multiple times to see if they are not blocking it and they confermed that they are not. The LAMP server is working perfectally on a local connection but no one can see it externally. Can anyone think of a reason why port 80
[02:14] <Ursinha> ntoombs: that happened here in Brazil to me, and the isp guys didn't know what they're talking about... turns out port 80 was blocked by them
[02:14] <Ursinha> ntoombs: have you tried setting the port to 8080, just in case?
[02:15] <ntoombs> Yea and 8080 gets through. I've gotten throug port 80 before with this isp.
[02:15] <Ursinha> if you set the port locally and redirected in your router or whatever links you to the external world, it should work
[02:15] <Ursinha> hm
[02:17] <ntoombs> to be sure, is there a program i could install that uses a port that I can change to 80?
[03:01] <ntoombs> Hi. I'm having problems opeing port 80 for my LAMP server. I have opened port 22 sucessfully for an ssh connection the same way I opened port 80 however, port 80 still remains closed. I have called my ISP multiple times to see if they are not blocking it and they confermed that they are not. The LAMP server is working perfectally on a local connection but no one can see it externally. Can anyone think of a reason why port 80
[05:37] <amero> part
[05:37] <amero> opps
[07:40] <megrem> set up postfix but it refuses to send mailsto foreign hosts: relay access denied
[07:42] <_johnny> hi, i'm having an odd networkin problem. i've followed this guide http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=318539 to get wlan working. and i can do a scan and see all APs, but as soon as a pull the ethernet cable, but ip's are lost and no internet connection
[07:42] <_johnny> plug the cable back in, and both ip's are regained, and internet connectivity on both ip's
[07:42] <_johnny> would anyone mind having a look at my networking  config ?
[07:59] <lei__> Hi]
[07:59] <lei__> Is there anyone who can un-install libvirt?
[08:08] <lei__> Hello
[08:10] <lei__> Is there anyone who can un-install libvirt? Since I have two version conflict
[08:21] <th0mz> Anybody in England please ? out of subject question. I'm looking for a dedicated/vps server prvider based in england please.
[08:26] <shauno> th0mz: bitfolk.com and bytemark.co.uk are the two names I usually see for vps.  couldn't answer for dedicated
[08:34] <th0mz> thanks shauno
[08:43] <andol> th0mz: I have a VPS with Bitfolk, and I am very happy with them.
[08:45] <andol> th0mz: Yet, if you want a more "cloudy" solution, where you can spawn new virtual machines yourself etc I guess you might want to go with Linode. In the Bitfolk case there is still the need to talk to support@ when creating a new virtual machines, modifying amount of resources to it, etc.
[08:49] <th0mz> to be exact, i'm just looking to a small vps to get an ip based in england to access BBC video ;)
[08:50] <th0mz> i just need to run openvpn or kind of proxy... So i'm looking to the cheapest solution.
[08:50] <th0mz> i have nothing to host (i'm working in a hosting compagny, all my personal need are hosted here).
[11:03] <SpamapS> RoAkSoAx: pong, was travelling yesterday
[11:12] <rurufufuss> how does one remove libraries added from make install?
[11:12] <rurufufuss> is it only doable manually?
[11:21] <SpamapS> rurufufuss: unless you changed the --prefix, they should be in /usr/local...
[11:22] <SpamapS> rurufufuss: some things have a 'make uninstall', try that first
[11:22] <SpamapS> rurufufuss: if not, you can just rm the files... just make sure you get rid of *all* the files.
[11:22] <rurufufuss> cool, thanks
[12:14] <Boon> setfacl: Option -m: Invalid argument near character 3
[12:14] <Boon> setfacl -m u:lighttpd:rx /var/www
[12:14] <Boon> does my command wrong?
[12:15] <Boon> anyone?
[12:18] <Boon> ?????????/
[12:19] <soren> Calm down.
[12:35] <jamespage> SpamapS: still around?
[12:43] <amelin> hi all, i just found out, that i can start ubuntu server in rescue mode and become root without being asked for a password
[12:44] <amelin> bug or feature?
[12:44] <patdk-wk> does it really matter?
[12:45] <amelin> well, i guess
[12:45] <patdk-wk> anyone with physical access doesn't need a password to copy your drive
[12:45] <patdk-wk> unless it's encrypted
[12:45] <pmatulis> amelin: that's fine.  if you ever set a p/w for root user then it would be different
[12:46] <amelin> pmatulis: ah okay, but there is a root pw set
[12:47] <amelin> patdk-wk: of course it does, i dont want a technican in any center to have it that easy
[12:47] <patdk-wk> :)
[12:47] <pmatulis> amelin: why did you set a root p/w?
[12:48] <patdk-wk> my bios locks the keyboard, no password, the bios won't accept entry from the keyboard
[12:48]  * patdk-wk always sets a root password
[12:48] <maswan> you can get into rescue mode as root even if you set a root password
[12:49] <amelin> patdk-wk: if my system fails, i dont want that everybody can access my system, okay, maybe a technican call me sometimes an tell that he already fix it
[12:49] <Pici> Remove the entry from GRUB and add a GRUB password if you're really paranoid about it.
[12:49] <maswan> if you want to protect data against attackers with physical access, you need to do disk encryption
[12:50] <pmatulis> maswan: but doesn't it ask you to enter that p/w?
[12:50] <patdk-wk> pmatulis, ideally, yes
[12:50] <patdk-wk> otherwise local users would still have access
[12:50] <maswan> pmatulis: depends on which rescue mode you go to.
[12:50] <maswan> booting init=/bin/bash etc won't care about root password being set
[12:51] <pmatulis> maswan: sigh, i'm not talking about that stuff
[12:51] <maswan> pmatulis: then what are you talking about? I thought we were talking about booting rescue modes with root password set or not
[12:51] <pmatulis> maswan: i'm talking about the official rescue mode
[12:51] <pmatulis> maswan: boot cd and choose from menu
[12:52] <maswan> pmatulis: oh, external boot, then it is up to whatever you boot if they want to care about that.
[12:52] <maswan> pmatulis: so no added security from a root password
[12:52] <pmatulis> maswan: well you're confusing my conversation with amelin
[12:53] <pmatulis> amelin: what did you do to get into your rescue mode?
[12:53] <amelin> pmatulis: reboot, open grub menu, choose rescue mode, choose the shell menu
[12:54] <amelin> okay, i choose the shell option to become root
[12:54] <amelin> so after reboot i choose rescue in the grub menu
[12:54] <pmatulis> amelin: and you can get root access w/o p/w even with a p/w previously set?
[12:54] <amelin> pmatulis: yes
[12:55] <pmatulis> amelin: k, guess i'll need to go over that scenario.  i didn't think you could do that
[12:55] <maswan> sounds resonable, one of the uses of rescue mode would be to recover from forgotten passwords
[13:02] <Ursinha> good morning
[13:04] <shauno> it's difficult to work around root from a local boot.  if they edit at the grub menu (or provide their own boot media), they can just use init=/bin/sh to bypass *everything*
[13:05] <shauno> so you've bot bios-level & physical defences, and encryption.  anything past that is a false sense of security
[13:06] <patdk-wk> this is what locked racks or cages are for
[13:08] <amelin> jeah, okay, maybe thats right, maybe i was just a bit to confused :-)
[13:09] <RoAkSoAx> SpamapS: howdy! yeah I heard... we were wondering how did you get ensemble + cobbler to work as we were unable to
[13:29] <RoAkSoAx> smoser: ping
[13:29] <lynxman> Ursinha: bom dia
[13:30] <Ursinha> lynxman: bon dia :)
[13:31] <lynxman> Ursinha: ooh very good ;)
[13:31] <Ursinha> :D
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[13:54] <van7hu> hello
[13:54] <van7hu> could I get help with bind here?
[13:55] <van7hu> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BIND9ServerHowto
[13:55] <van7hu> according to it, I can configure bind9 as hybrid cache and master, then could I achieve it?
[13:55] <ScottK> Did you look in the server guide?
[13:56] <ScottK> It discusses bind9 configuration.
[13:56] <van7hu> that's it?
[13:57] <smoser> RoAkSoAx, in now
[14:02] <soren> Oh, good grief.
[14:04] <ScottK> van7hu: If you aren't willing to look at the existing documentation, I think it's unlikely you'll find the level of help you want for free.
[14:05] <van7hu> ScottK, okay
[14:05] <soren> zul: Do you have a stack of changes to the glance packaging that you forgot to push?
[14:06] <zul> soren: no
[14:06] <zul> soren: i dont think so
[14:08] <soren> zul: There are *5* uploads to the archive that aren't in bzr.
[14:08] <zul> soren: frig
[14:09] <soren> zul: One of them even has changes from two people. How did you pull that off?
[14:09] <zul> soren: ill clean it up today
[14:09] <soren> Where are you keeping this stuff? If yo uhave changes from two people, you must be sharing packaging somewhere. Where?
[14:09] <zul> im not
[14:10] <zul> it was done locally and uploaded
[14:10] <zul> as i said ill clean it up today
[14:10] <soren> Ok.
[14:15] <soren> zul: Before you actually do fix it, I'd like to hear what you intend to do.
[14:15] <soren> zul: Whenever.
[14:36] <SpamapS> RoAkSoAx: there was a lot of stuff necessariy
[14:38] <RoAkSoAx> SpamapS: do you think you can write a small howto for me/us to be able to do it?
[14:38] <SpamapS> RoAkSoAx: are you trying to do it w/ my branch or something else?
[14:39] <RoAkSoAx> SpamapS: we (smoser and I) were tryiung to do it with your branch without success
[14:39] <smoser> SpamapS, woohoo
[14:39] <SpamapS> RoAkSoAx: did you setup a webdav?
[14:39] <smoser> we did not.
[14:39] <SpamapS> that part is a pita
[14:43] <SpamapS> it would probably help if you guys just said where you're stuck
[14:43] <lynxman> jamespage: ping
[14:47] <Daviey> RoAkSoAx: how is it going?
[14:48] <RoAkSoAx> Daviey: its going we are currentlyu trying to get somethjing to work with smoser
[14:49] <Daviey> something? :)
[14:49] <smoser> SpamapS, we're trying to be secretive, and not tell you things so you can't laugh at how incompetant we are :)
[14:49] <Daviey> lol
[14:50] <smoser> but, spamaps, if you could write down everything you need to do to get it functional , then that would be great.
[14:50] <SpamapS> smoser: good idea, I am a heartless bastard that way
[14:50] <Daviey> s/that way//
[14:50] <jamespage> lynxman: 10 mins
[14:50] <smoser> cobbler-devenv at lp:~smoser/+junk/cobbler-devenv/
[14:50] <lynxman> jamespage: k
[14:50] <smoser> is pretty close to creating the clean environment
[14:50] <smoser> you coudl start there.
[14:51] <SpamapS> smoser: uh.. install cobbler, setup a writable webdav at /formulas ..
[14:51] <SpamapS> smoser: oh I bet a full environments.yaml would help
[14:51] <smoser> yea. that would help
[14:51] <smoser> and "setup a writable webdav" is not dummy proof.
[14:52] <smoser> and i think that you need to have an ensemble agent running on the cobbler
[14:59] <SpamapS> smoser: http://paste.ubuntu.com/642690/
[15:00] <rallias> I'm having difficulties that apache suddenly cannot access the /testing subdirectory of my web server... can someone help me out with this?
[15:00] <SpamapS> smoser: http://paste.ubuntu.com/642691/
[15:12] <serge_af1> stgraber: is the lxc srcarch +=arm patch from you?
[15:12] <serge_af1> just wondering whether to put your signed-off-by on it
[15:12] <serge_af1> recon i could check the bzr tree
[15:12] <jamespage> lynxman: back now - wassup?
[15:14] <lynxman> jamespage: hey
[15:28] <DanaG> hmm, anyone here use zfs on ubuntu server?  I've currently installed OpenIndiana, but I'm quickly starting to dislike the lack of packages for just about everything I want to run on the server.
[15:28] <DanaG> How's btrfs?  Can it now reliably fsck?
[15:28] <DanaG> s/reliably/do/
[15:29] <DanaG> I do see this, at least: http://www.mail-archive.com/linux-btrfs@vger.kernel.org/msg10864.html
[15:30] <SpamapS> DanaG: from what I understand, its still experimental. :(
[15:34] <DanaG> "it" being btrfs?
[15:37] <SpamapS> yes
[15:37] <SpamapS> Though a few distros are pushing harder to make it the default
[15:40] <serge_af1> stgraber: nm, found the original author :)
[15:47] <DanaG> hmm, installing ubuntu-server to an 8GB usb stick, in a 1.5GB-RAM VM.
[15:47] <DanaG> The system it'll be running on has 5GB RAM.
[15:47] <DanaG> Do I really need swap, or is swap a bad idea?
[15:48] <viezerd> altijd swap
[15:48] <pmatulis> DanaG: swap is not great in a vm
[15:48] <DanaG> I've made a rawdisk vmdk for the flash drive.
[15:48] <DanaG> And the VM is just for the install, not the final place it'll run.
[15:48] <pmatulis> DanaG: if you have enough ram then don't use swap
[15:49] <pmatulis> DanaG: it won't run in a vm?
[15:49] <DanaG> No, I'm just doing the install in a VM.
[15:49] <DanaG> So then I can take the drive home and plug it into the microserver.
[15:50] <RoyK> DanaG: swap can be nice when something goes bad - it can also be a nice way to swap out things that aren't in use, especially on desktops and when hosting large applications, VMs etc
[15:50] <DanaG> There's no way the installer need more than 1.5GB, right?
[15:50] <DanaG> Well, the install, and post-install upgrades.
[15:51] <RoyK> DanaG: setting /proc/sys/vm/swappiness to 100 will make linux swap out earlier, thus keeping more memory available for useful stuff - a lot of allocations are for memory that's not in use, and that's important indeed for VMs
[15:51] <BuenGenio> guys having a major issue with the server here
[15:51] <RoyK> !ask
[15:51] <BuenGenio> mysql, apache stopped because apparently  / is full
[15:51] <BuenGenio> however, du -chs shows this:
[15:51] <BuenGenio> Filesystem            Size  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
[15:51] <BuenGenio> /dev/sda3             108G  103G     0 100% /
[15:51] <BuenGenio> ???
[15:52] <RoyK> BuenGenio: usually 5% is reserved for the root account
[15:52] <RoyK> BuenGenio: you should never fill up a file system that much anyway
[15:52] <BuenGenio> i don't know what did
[15:52] <BuenGenio> probably a runaway log
[15:52] <BuenGenio> but I'll check
[15:52] <BuenGenio> need to start mysql first thing
[15:53] <RoyK> you can change the amount of reserved space with tune2fs -m
[15:53] <RoyK> man tune2fs
[15:53] <RoyK> setting that to zero is usually a very bad idea for the root
[15:54] <pmatulis> BuenGenio: try to reclaim some space quickly with 'sudo apt-get clean'
[15:54] <DanaG> Then you can install ncdu -- ncurses disk usage tree thingy.
[15:55] <pmatulis> DanaG: installing unnecessary s/w on a system with a space problem?
[15:55] <BuenGenio> it's some log somewhere
[15:56] <DanaG> pmatulis: it's a small tool, and it'll tell you where all the space went.
[15:56] <DanaG> But yeah, check logs first.
[15:56] <pmatulis> BuenGenio: first get space with my command and then 'sudo du -sh /var/log/*'
[15:58] <DanaG> That ncdu package is just 92 kilobytes, by the way.
[15:59] <DanaG> no, wait, 22.
[16:01] <SpamapS> RoAkSoAx: so , did you guys still want a howto first? I feel it will be faster if you just show me whats broken
[16:04] <koolhead17> hi all
[16:07] <koolhead17> apt-cache showpkg moodle  shows mysql-client as deps but does not install it. Using dbconfig-common for installation throws error saying mysql-client needs to be installed before this process to finish.
[16:07] <koolhead17> do i need to file a bug for this?
[16:09] <SpamapS> koolhead17: postgresql-client | mysql-client
[16:09] <SpamapS> koolhead17: if you already have postgresql-client installed, that dependency is satisfied
[16:11] <koolhead17> SpamapS, http://pastebin.com/sxscTTyU  this is what getting installed once i do apt-get install moodle
[16:12] <koolhead17> i can see postgresql-client getting installed with it
[16:12] <SpamapS> koolhead17: yeah, that just means that the moodle maintainer prefers postgres over mysql
[16:12] <SpamapS> koolhead17: if you want to be explicit.. just do  apt-get install moodle mysql-client
[16:12] <SpamapS> koolhead17: you can just install both also.. since you're writing a formula.. eventually you should support both.
[16:13] <koolhead17> SpamapS, so its not a bug, just a confusing dbconfig-common configuration of moodle where once clicking on mysql as db option ceases the deployment
[16:14] <SpamapS> koolhead17: dbconfig-common is basically the predecessor of ensemble. ;)
[16:14] <SpamapS> koolhead17: it is to ensemble as neanderthal man is to ensemble .. a fork along the same chain that will become less relevant as ensemble becomes more popular. :)
[16:15] <zul> dbconfig is evil
[16:15] <koolhead17> SpamapS, :D
[16:15] <koolhead17> zul, +1
[16:15] <koolhead17> am still stuck with phpmyadmin preseed
[16:15] <RoAkSoAx> SpamapS: yes it would be helpful for us here at the sprint
[16:15] <koolhead17> SpamapS, its just am not interested in paying amazon to test the preseed stuff :D
[16:16] <koolhead17> before putting it on ensemble :P
[16:16]  * koolhead17 bows to RoAkSoAx 
[16:17] <DanaG> hmm, anyone use the kq Linux zfs?
[16:18] <DanaG> Random: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2011051/Black-macaque-takes-self-portrait-Monkey-borrows-photographers-camera.html
[16:20] <Ursinha> /20
[16:21]  * Ursinha fails with irssi
[16:23] <pmatulis> DanaG: that's off-topic, kindly refrain...
[16:24] <koolhead17> SpamapS, can i atleast request for showing some love to mysql :P
[16:25] <DanaG> anyway, I think I'll try ubuntu-server with zfs.
[16:26] <serue> zul: there?
[16:28] <Ursinha> -ETOOMANYNICKSWITHS
[16:28] <Ursinha> SpamapS: so
[16:28] <Ursinha> SpamapS: I'm fixing the old SRU reports script, so you can have it for now
[16:28] <SpamapS> Ursinha: thats great!
[16:29] <Ursinha> SpamapS: I'm sorry I've been quiet these days, I'm bootstraping yet
[16:29] <Ursinha> ::)
[16:29] <SpamapS> Ursinha: I was hidden away in the mountains all last week.. AFAIK, you have been shouting with a bull horn all week. ;)
[16:30] <Ursinha> haha
[16:30] <DanaG> hmm, in Linux, how significantly much better is an Intel NIC than a Broadcom 5723?
[16:32] <patdk-wk> you can't compare them like that
[16:32] <patdk-wk> and that is a very old broadcom
[16:33] <DanaG> That's what's in the HP microserver I have.
[16:33] <DanaG> I have that, and a 5721 PCIe 1x, and one of these: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833106033
[16:36] <patdk-wk> odd, the netextreme ii's have lower numbers
[16:37] <patdk-wk> heh, that is a budget intel card
[16:37] <patdk-wk> that broadcom should be much nicer than that
[16:37] <DanaG> Really?  Interesting.
[16:38] <patdk-wk> why? you just picked the lowest cheapest thing intel makes
[16:38] <patdk-wk> and think it will perform?
[16:39] <DanaG> I have an 82574L somewhere else (not sure where), and it worked pretty well, I believe.
[16:40] <patdk-wk> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833106011
[16:40] <patdk-wk> that is more rated along that broadcom chip
[16:41] <DanaG> Some peope in #openindiana suggested that Intel would be better than Broadcom.
[16:41] <DanaG> I'll have to try the Broadcom again.  Maybe it's just their broadcom driver that's the problem.
[16:42] <patdk-wk> dunno
[16:42] <patdk-wk> never had an issue with broadcom nic's myself
[16:42] <serue> zul: could you push http://people.canonical.com/~serge/lxc_0.7.4.2-0.3ubuntu3-pkg/lxc_0.7.4.2-0.3ubuntu3.dsc ?
[16:44] <kirkland> jamespage: howdy, around?
[16:45] <jamespage> kirkland: yep
[16:55] <DanaG> well, that's weird... I boot a server (a spare one, not the microserver that's at home), from a USB stick...
[16:55] <DanaG> The screen is blank for like 70 seconds... and then pops up, fully booted.
[16:55] <DanaG> This is without "quiet".
[16:57] <patdk-wk> danag, normal issue, grub put it into video mode card doesn't like or something
[16:57] <patdk-wk> easy enough to fix
[16:57] <DanaG> It was fine at grub, actually.
[16:58] <DanaG> Or do you mean the interaction between grub and kernel?
[17:01] <DanaG> I'll try grub console instead of gfxterm.
[17:03] <DanaG> Nope, still blank, but this time with a blinking cursor.
[17:04] <DanaG> Before doing much troubleshooting, I'll have to try it in the system I'll actually want it in.
[17:11] <kirkland> SpamapS: ping
[17:12] <DanaG> Any of you use zfsonlinux?
[17:12] <SpamapS> kirkland: pong, on a call but wassup?
[17:13] <kirkland> SpamapS: forgive a dumb question ...
[17:13] <kirkland> SpamapS: but i'm spinning my wheels here :-)
[17:13] <kirkland> SpamapS: what's the best way to see the current list of formulas that have landed in principia?
[17:14] <SpamapS> kirkland: *good* question.. I was wondering the same thing. :-P
[17:14] <Ursinha> /7/7
[17:14] <Ursinha> argh
[17:15] <serue> yuck, lots of oopses at __raw_callee_save_xen_make_pte+0x11/0x1e
[17:15] <kirkland> SpamapS: :-P
[17:16] <kirkland> SpamapS: we need the equivalent of "apt-cache search"
[17:17] <SpamapS> kirkland: Yeah, a lot of that is delayed as we wait for ensemble to have a proper repo.
[17:17] <SpamapS> kirkland: we could certainly hack it in.
[17:25] <SpamapS> kirkland: http://code.launchpad.net/principia has a lot actually
[17:25] <SpamapS> kirkland: but has stuff in dev too
[17:26] <kirkland> SpamapS: hmm, hard to tell what's in, and not
[17:26] <kirkland> SpamapS: so, for instance, I'm trying to tell if my "musica" formula has been accepted ... how do i do that?
[17:27] <SpamapS> kirkland: if there's an lp:xxxx branch its "accepted"
[17:27] <SpamapS> kirkland: but I think it also needs to go into the mrconfig
[17:28] <SpamapS> kirkland: so 'principia getall' grabs it
[17:40] <serue> SpamapS: regarding lp:~clint-fewbar/ensemble/lxc-container/, are you still ok keeping that in the ensemble source, rather than the lxc source?
[17:40] <SpamapS> serue: I am not sure where exactly it belongs actually.
[17:41] <SpamapS> serue: I think there's value in distributing that with lxc
[17:41] <serue> SpamapS: oh what am i thinking.  let's discuss it at the sprint
[17:41] <serue> SpamapS: since zul seems to not be around, do you mind sponsoring my little lxc cleanup?
[17:41] <SpamapS> serue: especially if we can genercize it enough where one can just say 'lxc-create -t uec -d oneiric -a amd64 ...'
[17:42] <serue> SpamapS: i don't want to make the templates more complicated...
[17:42] <serue> oh
[17:42] <SpamapS> serue: I 'spose I understand
[17:42] <serue> yeah, but you can just have ensemble do that,
[17:42] <SpamapS> serue: do what?
[17:42] <serue> just install it at /usr/lib/lxc/templates/lxc-uec
[17:42] <serue> then you can do lxc-create -t uec
[17:43] <SpamapS> serue: I see value in people being able to boot the same image that is used on the cloud in lxc.
[17:43] <serue> sure
[17:44] <serue> i prefer ensemble isntalling the template right now in case the template is going to change a lot for awhile
[17:44] <SpamapS> serue: that sounds good then
[17:44] <serue> cool
[17:44] <serue> SpamapS: so do you mind pushing http://people.canonical.com/~serge/lxc_0.7.4.2-0.3ubuntu3-pkg/lxc_0.7.4.2-0.3ubuntu3.dsc ?
[17:46] <SpamapS> serue: is that attached to a bug?
[17:46] <serue> no
[17:46] <SpamapS> serue: you need to run clean before building that source
[17:47] <SpamapS> --- lxc-0.7.4.2/debian/lxc.debhelper.log        1969-12-31 16:00:00.000000000 -0800
[17:47] <SpamapS> +++ lxc-0.7.4.2/debian/lxc.debhelper.log        2011-07-12 08:00:54.000000000 -0700
[17:47] <DanaG> hmm, is ebox supported, or is it known to break things?
[17:47] <SpamapS> !ebox
[17:47] <SpamapS> DanaG: ^
[17:48] <serue> i don't see a .log file.  but i guess i tarred it on the other laptop.  sigh.
[17:49] <DanaG> Does ebox run its own ldap server, or can I do it without ldap?
[17:49] <SpamapS> serue: why aren't you using bzr-buildpackage ?
[17:49] <DanaG> oh, I see... usersandgroups is not just for local groups.
[17:49] <SpamapS> or bzr-builddeb, whatever its called
[17:49] <DanaG> It's explicitly for managing ldap.
[17:50] <serue> spam	i use debuild -S -sa
[17:55] <serue> SpamapS: (jinkeys, network is killing me) i don't use bzr bd bc I don't use bzr right now bc the bzr trees are always out of date.
[17:56] <serue> I know that's been recently addressed, and I need to try going back to a udd dworkflow
[17:56] <serue> spam	anyway, I thought that debuild -S did a debian/rules clean.   but i see the .log file.  huh
[17:57]  * serue wants to smack irssi for not expanding SpamapS 
[17:59] <SpamapS> serue: why are the bzr trees getting out of date?
[17:59] <SpamapS> serue: we can fix that usually by importing the versions that have failed
[18:01] <serue> SpamapS: dunno.  i don't think they had failed per se
[18:04] <amero> does anyone know what's the hyphen sign in front of log filenames in rsyslog,conf mean?
[18:05] <amero> eg mail.* -/var/log/mail.log
[18:06] <serue> SpamapS: making a f'ing bzr tree
 quilt patches applied
[18:11] <serue> yay, i get to start over.
[18:12] <alamar> sometimes that's a good thing ;)
[18:13] <DanaG> hmm, looks like ebox is more than I need.
[18:13] <DanaG> all I'd really want is something like what FreeNAS gives.
[18:28] <serue> SpamapS: well, i don't understand it.  New version, with source at lp:~serge-hallyn/ubuntu/oneiric/lxc/lxc-0.7.4.2-cleanup-patches and pkg src at http://people.canonical.com/~serge/lxc_0.7.4.2-0.3ubuntu3-pkg created with 'bzr bd -S -- sa', the debhelper.log files are still there
[18:28] <serue> (but not in the bzr tree)
[18:29] <SpamapS> serue: *weird*
[18:30] <serue> not like it's a helpful log either :)
[18:34] <serue> SpamapS: eh well, pls push if you feel comfortable.  bbl.
[18:39] <SpamapS> serue: will take a look ASAP.. need to go find some food
[18:43] <pmatulis> SpamapS: take out spear?
[18:45] <SpamapS> pmatulis: the only thing I'll be able to hunt and kill with a spear in west L.A. is Chihuahua .. and then I'd have to deal with angry UCLA juniors and their giant pink purses.
[18:46] <pmatulis> SpamapS: LOL (at chihuahua), still reading
[18:46] <pmatulis> SpamapS: wow, another LOL
[18:48] <pmatulis> has anyone heard of idmapd spontaneously stop running?  have natty desktop client randomly getting the nobody-user using NFS/autofs with solaris server
[18:49]  * SpamapS wonders if Chipotle would be interested in some locally sourced Canine..
[19:20] <xperia> hello to all. i am trying to get the modrewrite loging to work on my Ubuntu Server maschine but i fail now the whole day to get this to work.
[19:20] <xperia> Anybody can give me a advice how to enable logging for modrewrite ?
[19:23] <maccam94> is the php suhosin patch installed by default in lucid? do i need/want the php5-suhosin package in apt?
[19:24] <zeknox> using iscsiadm how can I detach from an iscsi server?
[19:24] <pmatulis> zeknox: --logout i think
[19:25] <zeknox> pmatulis: thanks buddy!
[19:26] <serue> Daviey: any update or new comments on spice upload?
[19:34] <roasted> Has anybody tinkered with network interface bonding? I'm curious about a few things and was hoping someone could clear the air...
[19:36] <patdk-wk> works great for me
[19:36] <roasted> what does?
[19:37] <alamar> i guess bonding
[19:37] <roasted> wasn't sure if that was directed at me or not
[19:37] <alamar> what's your problem with bonding?
[19:38] <roasted> well I found a guide for it, but I wanted to talk to someone who knows a lot about it to help me understand it a bit more.
[19:38] <patdk-wk> how about we start simple
[19:38] <patdk-wk> question?
[19:38] <roasted> I'm running edubuntu 10.04 on a server with 4 gigabit network ports, I want to combine them into 1.
[19:38] <roasted> would that be the broadcast method?
[19:38] <patdk-wk> none :)
[19:38] <patdk-wk> what is the goal?
[19:38] <patdk-wk> what are you attempting to protect?
[19:38] <roasted> to make all 4 NICs look as one
[19:38] <roasted> I'm just trying to maximize throughput
[19:39] <patdk-wk> you can make all 4 look like 1 several ways
[19:39] <patdk-wk> not all of them will maximize throughput, infact most won't
[19:39] <patdk-wk> cause maximizing throughput over 4 nics is not easy to do
[19:39] <roasted> well, here's my dilemma so you know what I'm doing
[19:39] <roasted> I'm running an LTSP server with thin clients.
[19:39] <roasted> I previously ran a server with a single gig port to a lab of 30 clients without issue.
[19:40] <roasted> this year we're moving to 60-70 clients, so naturally my thought process is to utilize the other nic's
[19:40] <roasted> to help out with the load, ya know?
[19:40] <roasted> I've always set up LTSP on smaller scale setups, so bonding was never a necessity. but this time I think it'd be wise to utilize bonding, based on my client load this year as well as the benefits I read about.
[19:40] <roasted> what do you think would be best?
[19:41] <maccam94> roasted: the best option is if you can afford a managed switch, use IEEE 802.3ad Dynamic link aggregation
[19:41] <roasted> well, I'm here in our server room, we have some decent gear
[19:41] <roasted> let me see...
[19:41] <roasted> dell powerconnect 6248
[19:42] <patdk-wk> wish I knew what that was, non-rebranded
[19:42] <roasted> hmm
[19:42] <maccam94> yup
[19:42] <roasted> so my optimal solution would be to work at the switch level and let ubuntu alone?
[19:42] <maccam94> no, you configure both ends
[19:42] <roasted> ahh
[19:42] <roasted> I thought you meant one or the other.
[19:42] <maccam94> so you want to do 802.3ad bonding in ubuntu, and the switch should work with it
[19:43] <maccam94> i'm not certain if you have to configure bonding on the switch side or if it will automatically detect it
[19:43] <patdk-wk> that will do it, configure 4 ports of that into a ladp
[19:43] <patdk-wk> no, linux only supports static mapping
[19:43] <patdk-wk> so you need to configure it on both sides
[19:43] <roasted> I see. what advantages would 802.3ad give me?
[19:44] <patdk-wk> alittle less than adaptive bonding, but much much more reliable
[19:44] <roasted> does it just lump all bandwidth into one larger pipe
[19:44] <patdk-wk> hell, no, you can't do that
[19:44] <maccam94> roasted: so you want lacp
[19:44] <roasted> maccam94, at the switch?
[19:44] <patdk-wk> pretty much you limit a mac per interfaces
[19:45] <patdk-wk> all packets from that mac or mac+ip will go over the same connection
[19:45] <patdk-wk> but packets from other paces will use other interfaces, so if you have enough different source, you will use all your links up
[19:46] <roasted> hm
[19:46] <maccam94> patdk-wk: are you familiar with LACP?
[19:46] <roasted> trying to put all this together and understand it...
[19:46] <patdk-wk> only bad thing would be to put a layer3 switch, router, or firewall between the clients and ltps server
[19:46] <patdk-wk> maccam, yes
[19:46] <maccam94> patdk-wk: he has a layer 3 switch
[19:46] <roasted> we have layer 3
[19:46] <maccam94> it supports LACP
[19:46] <patdk-wk> but his layer3 switch isn't doing layer3 stuff is it?
[19:46] <roasted> I don't believe this particular 6248 is
[19:46] <maccam94> so i think he just needs to create the lagg interface in ubuntu and it should work
[19:47] <patdk-wk> and on the switch
[19:47] <maccam94> roasted: http://www.dell.com/us/en/enterprise/networking/pwcnt_6248/pd.aspx?refid=pwcnt_6248&cs=555&s=biz
[19:47] <roasted> I think our switches acting as layer 3 are 3500 series switches
[19:47] <maccam94> Link Aggregation with support for up to 18 static  aggregated links, 8 dynamic aggregated links per switch and up to 8  member ports per aggregated link; LACP support (IEEE 802.3ad), LLDP-MED
[19:47] <maccam94> so as long as your server is directly connected to that, you should be ok
[19:47] <monokrome> Hey. Does anyone here have experience with setting up puppetmaster on Ubuntu?
[19:47] <patdk-wk> setup a static lacp on the switch
[19:47] <monokrome> I am trying to figure out why Ubuntu's installation expects/assumes that I have etckeeper installed.
[19:48] <roasted> monokrome, oh man. that's my next project... :(
[19:48] <monokrome> heh
[19:48] <roasted> maccam94, if I do this, would the server itself see only 1 ip?
[19:48] <roasted> like would my entire box, despite having 4 ports, use 1 ip or would each interface still have to be set up?
[19:48] <maccam94> roasted: you would have the 4 physical interfaces, and one virtual aggregated interface
[19:48] <monokrome> roasted:  Pretty simple to get it running, but configurations don't work because it assumes etckeeper is set up - but I don't know how to fulfill it's assumed requirements.
[19:48] <maccam94> the physical interfaces wouldn't have ips
[19:49] <roasted> so I'd set my static IP to the virtual interface in /network/interfaces?
[19:49] <maccam94> roasted: i think it would look like this: ifconfig lagg0 laggproto lacp laggport bge0 laggport bge1 laggport bge2 laggport bge3 192.168.1.50 netmask 255.255.255.0
[19:50] <roasted> oh bo
[19:50] <roasted> y
[19:50] <maccam94> so lagg0 is the virtual interface, the bge's are your physical interfaces, and then you've got the ip and netmask
[19:50] <maccam94> so lagg0 gets the ip info
[19:52] <maccam94> and laggproto is lacp so it will negotiate bonding with the switch (assuming that functionality isn't somehow disabled, as the documentation says it supports up to 8 dynamic aggregated links)
[19:53] <maccam94> roasted: think you get it?
[19:54] <soren> zul: The latest glance upload's changelog entry says "debian/control: python-hashlib". What does that mean?
[19:54] <zul> stupid typo
[19:55] <soren> Should have been ruby-hashlib?
[19:55] <zul> soren: no i noticed when jetlagged that there were a python-hashlib in the tools/pip-required
[19:56] <zul> sorry tools/pip-requires
[19:56] <soren> zul: And then you... wrote python-hashlib in the changelog, but added python-daemon in debian/control?
[19:56] <zul> no i think that was me i dont know what i was thinking
[20:01] <soren> ok
[20:01] <soren> Fixed.
[23:22] <DanaG> hmm, anyone here have experience with btrfs mirrored drives?
[23:22] <DanaG> I'm trying to figure out whether I want to do that, or do zfs+linux, or do openindiana.
[23:22] <DanaG> I'd definitely prefer to have Linux.
[23:27] <CrystalVoid> greetings everyone ... i have 2 cpu;s and want to run a small ubuntu file server ... http://products.amd.com/en-us/DesktopCPUSideBySide.aspx?id=72&id=25 ... i want to aim for low power ... but am woried about the l2 cache ... and recamendations ?
[23:40] <TheEvilPhoenix> question for ya: will krb5-user and its dependencies screw with standard UNIX login at the command line on a system?
[23:41] <TheEvilPhoenix> the package is a prereq for connectivity to my university's UNIX filespace
[23:41] <TheEvilPhoenix> from anything
[23:51] <qman__> CrystalVoid, that depends entirely on what other hardware you're running
[23:51] <qman__> the CPU is only really important on a file server if you use software raid
[23:52] <qman__> and what sort of software raid you're running
[23:53] <qman__> for example, my previous file server was running a single core athlon 64 3500+ venice, and was fully capable of saturating a gigabit link with a raid 5
[23:53] <qman__> while also running a couple dozen torrents
[23:54] <TheEvilPhoenix> hey qman__ know anything about kerberos authentication and how its packages screw with local authentication, by chance?
[23:54] <qman__> nope
[23:54] <qman__> I know how pam works, but I don't know anything about how kerberos is packaged
[23:55] <TheEvilPhoenix> ah
[23:56] <TheEvilPhoenix> i really only need to know if krb5-user will interfere with the standard UNIX login system on this system