[06:41] <danfish> good morning
[06:53] <Catbuskris_> good morning to you
[07:00] <MooDoo> morning
[07:10] <HazRPG> morning \o
[07:12] <DJones> Morning
[07:15]  * iulian yawns.
[07:16] <AlanBell>  morning
[07:18] <TheOpenSourcerer> moar coffee
[07:24] <HazRPG> heh, its funny to see the different sides of conversations about the new blizzard region-links for starcraft 2
[07:24] <diplo> http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=280_1310409920
[07:26] <HazRPG> Northa America and Latin America regions being linked, and they're complaining about language barriers and lag, EU and Russia are being linked, and they're also complaining about language barriers and lag... but the common post is, they all want to be linked to the korean server, so they can all try and improve their skills... but what about language and lag there? Heh, people can be funny
[07:28] <HazRPG> even more commonly between posts is, they're rather just have it the way it use to be... and be able to select which server you wanted to connect to.
[07:29] <HazRPG> diplo: that is quite random... bet that must be a scary walk
[07:37] <diplo> heh yeah, was madness
[07:37] <diplo> Made my legs go :)
[07:40] <HazRPG> diplo: oh, you actually did that walk?
[07:51] <popey> Morning all
[07:53] <wangshouyi> Hi,why the output of 'file' command always include "for Linux 2.6.15"?
[08:00] <diplo> Sorry HazRPG was on phone, nooooooooooooooooo
[08:00] <diplo> Just made my legs go watching it
[08:00] <diplo> :D
[08:00] <HazRPG> diplo: ah ;D
[08:02] <HazRPG> diplo: I almost set off my acrophobia/vertigo, started getting dizzy watching it!
[08:02] <HazRPG> It*
[08:03] <diplo> heh
[08:03] <MooDoo> wow just watching it now
[08:05] <diplo> Anyone know how to get memory make/model from cli ?
[08:06]  * BigRedS wonders if dmidecode would help
[08:06] <diplo> Kids had me up all night and I really can't get going today
[08:06] <diplo> :(
[08:07] <diplo> Cheers BigRedS
[08:14] <BigRedS> Did it help?
[08:16] <diplo> yeah, well partially
[08:16] <diplo> Good enough for me :)
[08:22] <BigRedS> aha, handy :)
[08:32] <diplo> Anyone ever wrote an app to send status messages to Facebook, preferably php ?
[08:33] <diplo> Want to post a customers news feed to there FB account
[08:35] <popey> use RSS
[08:35] <popey> i.e. get your fb page to subscribe to an rss feed which has the news in it
[08:35] <popey> thats what we do for ubuntu uk page and ubuntu-uk-podcast
[08:36] <shauno> that sounds infinitely cleaner
[08:38] <shauno> also, did I spy pics of a mbp with no ssd?  get ye back off to ebuyer :p
[08:39] <popey> shauno: it's at the post office waiting for me to collect it
[08:39] <popey> (the SSD)
[08:39] <shauno> \o/
[08:39] <diplo> popey, I tried that, add it to My notes ?
[08:39] <popey> however I am used to having a massive disk
[08:39] <Laney> O_O
[08:39] <Laney> oh.
[08:39] <popey> which means I will need to be frugal
[08:39] <popey> hah
[08:39] <Laney> misread.
[08:40] <shauno> popey: I yanked the dvd outta mine, and gone for the best of both worlds.  working a treat so far
[08:40] <popey> eh?
[08:40] <popey> you can put a drive in the cd bay?
[08:40] <shauno> you can  (with a 3rd-party chassis, sadly)
[08:40] <popey> ooooooooo
[08:41] <popey> now that is interesting
[08:41] <popey> link!
[08:41] <popey> also, how do you install the OS to use it?
[08:41] <popey> do you have /Users/ on it or something/
[08:42] <popey> http://www.mcetech.com/optibay/
[08:42] <popey> is that it?
[08:42] <shauno> that's one, yeah
[08:42] <shauno> http://eshop.macsales.com/item/OWC/DDAMBS0GB/  that's the one I picked up, same idea thop
[08:43] <popey> ah, 1TB only in 17"
[08:43] <shauno> I've left the hdd in /Volumes and just symlinked anything that takes up silly amounts of space  (vmware, music, games, etc)
[08:43] <popey> due to disk height
[08:44] <shauno> just leaving the whole home dir on spinning rust meant the hdd never got a chance to spin down
[08:46] <popey> that looks lighter
[08:47] <gord> hrm, looking into raids, seems to me that software raid makes more sense - anyone got any nasty experiences with it to keep me away?
[08:47] <shauno> means my dvdr lives in a flimsy usb caddy now, but that I can live with.  it only really gets used if I mess up enough to need to reinstall
[08:48] <krimzon2> I was walking through the park once and software raid came out of nowhere and mugged me
[08:48] <popey> krimzon2: it must have been dark
[08:48] <popey> bet it was that nasty dm raid
[08:48] <popey> he's evil
[08:51] <gord> huh if you install open arena it brings in the open arena server and starts it by default, that seems... wrong
[08:52] <HazRPG> heh just read that a program called Starfriend has been made so that you can now play SC2 at LAN parties. Epic!
[08:52] <HazRPG> Think I may have to host a few LAN parties before the summer is finished, think this is the first year I haven't hosted one so far.
[08:57] <daubers> Morning
[08:57] <MooDoo> morning daubers
[08:58] <MartijnVdS>  /q koe
[08:58] <MartijnVdS> uhrm
[08:58] <matti> :)
[09:04] <shauno> coworkers are now looking at me like I'm nuts :/  I thought showing the internets the insides of your laptop was normal
[09:06] <MooDoo> shauno, don't worry we think you're nuts too :D
[09:06] <oimon> anyone using popey's tomboy builds on lucid?
[09:07] <oimon> would like to try confirm an issue with it
[09:08] <HazRPG> shauno: hmm, I thought that was normal too... I'm constantly taking pictures of the insides of things.
[09:09] <MooDoo> HazRPG, but dogs and sheep don't count ;)
[09:09] <shauno> they do in cumbria!
[09:10] <HazRPG> o.O
[09:12] <JamesTait> Good morning all!
[09:12] <MooDoo> morning james
[09:33] <diplo> popey, found my issue as to why rss feed wasn't working
[09:33] <diplo> Thanks for reminding me to do it :)
[09:33] <diplo> on Facebook that is
[09:33] <diplo> Do you use a similair thing to post to Twitter as well ?
[09:33] <diplo> Just reading up now
[09:36] <czajkowski> aloha
[09:42] <daubers> supporting people in Oz is frustrating :(
[09:42] <daubers> send a request for some data, have to wait 8 hours to get a reply
[10:05] <davmor2> morning all
[10:07]  * davmor2 gives czajkowski a hug
[10:07]  * MooDoo prods czajkowski 
[10:07] <davmor2> MooDoo: me owld mukka
[10:07] <MooDoo> davmor2, alreet geezer......
[10:07] <czajkowski> tweedle dum and tweedle dee
[10:07] <MooDoo> davmor2, stop being nice to czajkowski it's not big and it's nopt clever :)
[10:08] <MooDoo> czajkowski, at least you didn't say tweedle dumb and tweedle dumber :D
[10:08]  * MooDoo hugs czajkowski too as he's just seen her twitter update
[10:09] <davmor2> czajkowski: does that make you humpty dumpty the amount of time the hospital spends putting you back to gether again?
[10:09] <MooDoo> davmor2, they have the technology, they can rebuild her
[10:09] <czajkowski> it would seem that way
[10:10] <davmor2> czajkowski: the 5 million dollar woman dududududududududududududu
[10:10] <MooDoo> davmor2, unless they are being sneaky and turning her into a borg
[10:10] <MooDoo> davmor2, ah was wondering how to spell that lol
[10:11] <davmor2> MooDoo: haha czajkowski 1 of 9
[10:12] <MooDoo> davmor2, she's is the only one :)
[10:12] <MooDoo> there can be only one lol
[10:13] <davmor2> MooDoo: don't turn her into the highlander she'll take offence she Irish
[10:13] <MooDoo> davmor2, she can take it
[10:14]  * MooDoo starts singing "i am the one and only" lol
[10:14]  * AlanBell is glad irc is a silent medium
[10:14] <MooDoo> AlanBell, me too me too
[10:15] <MartijnVdS> irssi-festival \o/
[10:15] <shauno> someone's got their soundtracks confused .. chesney hawkes wasn't on highlander
[10:15]  * davmor2 starts singing Queens fried chicken song
[10:15] <Laney> i miss CTCP SOUND
[10:16] <MooDoo> It's a kind of magic in here :)
[10:18] <davmor2> MooDoo: One Vision aka the fried chicken song, the lyrics say Freddie is saying one vision,  but no way, He definitely says fried chicken
[10:18] <MooDoo> gimme gimme gimme fried chicken
[10:19] <MooDoo> davmor2, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One_Vision#.22Fried_chicken.22
[10:23] <davmor2> MooDoo: nice
[10:24] <czajkowski> gord: http://ardrone.parrotshopping.com/uk/p_ardrone_main.aspx
[10:25] <davmor2> 3 men at work their boss says you can have the rest of the week off if you can sing a song that contains a dog
[10:25] <gord> czajkowski, this will forever be known as "the incident that started it all"
[10:25] <davmor2> man 1: She ain't nothing but a hound dog crying all the time
[10:26] <davmor2> man 2: who much is that doggy in the window
[10:26] <czajkowski> gord: well the drone has a landing box, it's in the way of the roomba
[10:26] <czajkowski> you can see the roomba doesn't like this at all
[10:27] <davmor2> man 3:  thinks, thinks again and finally bursts into Strangers in the night
[10:27] <davmor2> boss: I know that song there's no dog in it
[10:27] <davmor2> man 3: there is, there is let me finish
[10:28] <czajkowski> gord: NEW TOY!
[10:28] <davmor2> man 3: Strangers in the night exchanging glances scubbydubbydoo .......
[10:28] <gord> someone bought me a helicopter toy once, took me about 20 minutes to break it forever
[10:29] <davmor2> gord: I got 2 helicopter toys how the hell did you break them?
[10:29] <oimon> gord:the only way to win is not to play
[10:29]  * MooDoo slaps davmor2 
[10:29] <gord> davmor2, frankly, if you don't break them, you aren't using them correctly
[10:30] <davmor2> oimon: Hello Dr Falcon, wouldn't you like to play a nice game of chess?
[10:30] <shauno> I'm so lost .. was expecting davmor's joke to be an epic palindrome
[10:30] <davmor2> shauno: No just corny
[10:30] <czajkowski> shauno: there is your first mistake, davmor2 being funny
[10:31] <davmor2> czajkowski: Hey no fair I know funny their just not safe on this channel :D
[10:31] <oimon> i wonder if they will ever make a good film about computers.
[10:31] <MooDoo> davmor2, corny spelt SH**
[10:31] <MooDoo> oimon, Hackers....best film ever.....EVER....*snigger*
[10:31] <oimon> wargames/hackers/the net/tron/...all lame
[10:31] <davmor2> SHOT?
[10:32] <MooDoo> davmor2, yeah that's the one, czajkowski was right....DUMB ;)
[10:32] <shauno> to be fair, I'm not sure I'd want to watch an accurate film about computers
[10:32] <MooDoo> swordfish, that was accurate :)
[10:32] <MooDoo> lol
[10:32] <oimon> MooDoo: i saw hackers for the first time ever about a year ago. i think the only reason it has any cult status is that it features a young angelina jolie (meh) and a guy wearing a dave seaman goalie shirt at a party
[10:32] <davmor2> MooDoo: that's only cause fancy angelina jolie
[10:33] <shauno> if I want to watch people consuming stupendous amounts of red bull and sleeping face down on the keyboard, I'll start volunteering for night shifts
[10:33] <davmor2> I liked hacker 3
[10:33] <MooDoo> davmor2, isn't that one based on kevin mitnick?
[10:33] <MooDoo> operation takedown?
[10:33] <davmor2> MooDoo: something like that
[10:35] <shauno> reminds me, did assange win that free trip to sweden?
[10:35] <MooDoo> isn't he out on bail?
[10:36] <shauno> he's back on stage sometime today
[10:36] <oimon> i think he's tagged in his house
[10:37] <davmor2> assange is the guy from are you being served isn't he
[10:39] <bigcalm> Heh
[10:40] <WorMzy> assange's back in court today to appeal the earlier extradition ruling
[10:45]  * MooDoo sneaks over to czajkowski and tries to steal her drone
[10:46] <czajkowski> I killllllll you
[10:47] <MooDoo> czajkowski, how nice you are
[10:48] <czajkowski> I'm not
[10:48]  * davmor2 why MooDoo distracts czajkowski with being killed I swipe czajkowski drone and run for the hills
[10:48] <czajkowski> clearly you dont know me if you have to aks this
[10:48] <MooDoo> czajkowski, i don't know you at all.....i'll meet you in RL one day to verify it
[10:49] <davmor2> MooDoo: do you say that to everyone? :D
[10:49] <MooDoo> davmor2, yes :)  i tried to meet you didn't i.....but crappy phone systems stopped that one :(
[10:50] <davmor2> MooDoo: hahahaha
[10:59] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[10:59] <davmor2> brobostigon: morning dude
[10:59] <brobostigon> davmor2: good morning.
[10:59] <MooDoo> brobostigon, hi
[11:00] <brobostigon> MooDoo: hi
[11:25] <bigcalm> How do you get a full DNS record from dig when axfr isn't working?
[11:26] <oimon> dig ls <domain>
[11:27] <bigcalm> It's not showing subdomain records
[11:29] <bigcalm> Looks like netname's name servers don't allow full transfers
[11:33] <bigcalm> GAH
[11:33] <bigcalm> VirginMedia's DNS is horribly slow to update
[11:46] <dogmatic69> 8.8.8.8
[11:46] <dogmatic69> 8.8.4.4
[11:46] <dogmatic69> :)
[11:47] <davmor2> bigcalm: use opendns it's what I do :)
[11:51] <BigRedS> bigcalm: I wrote this to get round not being able to get axfrs when I wanted them: https://github.com/BigRedS/avi-utils/blob/master/subdomains
[11:51] <BigRedS> it's rather crude :)
[11:56] <bigcalm> dogmatic69: davmor2: tempting, will have to do it per machine as the router doesn't allow one to change the settings
[11:56] <bigcalm> BigRedS: handy but a little limited
[11:56] <bigcalm> Won't tell me about 354371-web1
[11:57] <bigcalm> ARGH!
[11:58] <bigcalm> The admin in charge of a client's records has typo'd beyond beliefe
[11:58] <bigcalm> This is why I wanted to check the full record, rather than have to check each subdomain by hand
[11:58] <BigRedS> bigcalm: yeah, it's a bit crap, but I kept scping it everywhere so stuck it on github
[11:59] <bigcalm> :)
[12:07]  * bigcalm appears to be doing somebody else's job here
[12:07] <bigcalm> Grumble
[12:08] <gord> maybe you can hire an assistant to do your job whilst you do someone else's job
[12:09] <bigcalm> Heh
[12:09]  * bigcalm gives the Vs to everybody's jobs and goes to find some lunch
[12:11] <MooDoo> i'll be your tea biatch .... :)
[12:18] <dogmatic69> is there a way to login as another user when already logged in (from terminal)
[12:19] <BigRedS> su <someuser>
[12:20] <BigRedS> if you're not root, you'll need to provide a password
[12:31] <shauno> good lord .. that burning ball out hate is back.  that's the second time in one year?!
[12:32] <MooDoo> shauno, huh?
[12:34] <czajkowski> sun
[12:34] <MooDoo> ah!
[12:34] <BigRedS> czajkowski: oracle, surely?
[12:34] <BigRedS> :)
[12:35] <jpds> czajkowski: what BigRedS said.
[12:36] <dogmatic69> BigRedS: nice, thanks
[12:37] <dogmatic69> sudo -U <user> is what i was trying
[12:37] <jpds> dogmatic69: That would be: sudo -i -u <user>
[12:37] <dogmatic69> ah
[12:38] <dogmatic69> too many ways to do one thing
[12:39] <kirrus> dogmatic69: it's not linux if there isn't at least 2 ways, which everyone argues about which is the *right* way ;)
[12:39] <dogmatic69> hehe
[12:39] <dogmatic69> true
[12:39] <dogmatic69> i think im gonna write a bash script to do it a better way ;)
[12:40] <MooDoo> There is only one way, and that's the way chuck norris would do it
[13:01] <daubers> MooDoo: Chuck Norris doesn't do anything, he thinks about something and it's then already done
[13:02] <davmor2> MooDoo: blow it to smithereens by looking at it long enough?
[13:02] <dogmatic69> i am running gitosis on a server and want to do a post-receive hook thing. would i be correct in saying that it will be run as the git user?
[13:02] <dogmatic69> user "git" that is, there is one set up for gitosis
[13:03] <dogmatic69> i want to generate api docs, but doubt this git user will be able to.
[13:04] <BigRedS> if gitosis is running as git, and gitosis is asked to run a command, it will do so as the user git, yeah
[13:04] <dogmatic69> :/
[13:04] <BigRedS> that could have been better worded...
[13:05] <dogmatic69> so i guess.. i can create a empty file, then with a proper user run a cron every 1min looking for that file, if found do what ever and then delete the file. if there is no file do nothing?
[13:05] <dogmatic69> is that the correct way of doing things?
[13:06] <dogmatic69> i want the docs updated pretty much instant, but it takes to long to just run all the time
[13:06] <BigRedS> can you not grant the 'git' user the rights to create the docs?
[13:06] <dogmatic69> well then i might as well give it permisions for a normal user
[13:07] <dogmatic69> its got to access things all over, pull code, create files
[13:07] <BigRedS> might you? I don't know what's involved
[13:07] <dogmatic69> well su git
[13:07] <dogmatic69> i can do nothing
[13:07] <dogmatic69> cant even run a normal .bashrc
[13:07] <dogmatic69> no auto complete
[13:08] <dogmatic69> cant add things to PATH that are needed
[13:08] <BigRedS> that might just be that the shell is /bin/sh not /bin/bash
[13:08] <dogmatic69> ok
[13:08] <BigRedS> but, stil, it depends how you do it and what's involved. creating an empty file and having another user's cron check for it and work on the result is quite workable
[13:08] <BigRedS> if a bit fragile
[13:09] <dogmatic69> ye
[13:09] <dogmatic69> its just internal docs
[13:09] <BigRedS> That's probably how I'd intend to do it, before deciding to sod it and just give git all the required permissions :)
[13:09] <dogmatic69> nothing super important
[13:09] <dogmatic69> hehe
[13:09] <dogmatic69> yes, it is tempting
[13:10] <BigRedS> hm. postfix in debug mode produces a _lot_ of text, almost none of which I understand :(
[13:10] <dogmatic69> till oneday the auth logs say sudo rm / -rf [user:git]
[13:13] <BigRedS> dogmatic69: that's what's called a 'backup test' :)
[13:14] <BigRedS> but, yeah, if people are able to talk http to something, it probably shouldn't be trusted to do anything at all, let alone write all over your documentation
[13:15] <dogmatic69> ye
[13:28] <BigRedS> I'm still amazed it took me so long to think of piping tail -f output through grep
[13:30] <davmor2> BigRedS: nevermind hey
[14:08] <AlanBell> popey: what was the wordpress+apache combination that you had that didn't work so well?
[14:10] <popey> the one that is currently on ubuntu-uk.org.. one mo
[14:11] <popey> php 5.3, apache 2.2, wordpress 3.x
[14:11] <AlanBell> and it was running out of memory?
[14:11] <popey> I had some more OOMs over night last night
[14:11] <popey> will probably move ubuntu-uk box to lighttpd when I get a chance soon
[14:11] <popey> yes
[14:12] <AlanBell> ok, just seen that on one of our VMs
[14:12] <popey> crap isnt it?
[14:12] <AlanBell> it grabbed all the disk activity and starved everything else too :(
[14:12] <popey> my own vps has been on lighttpd instead of apache2 for some months now
[14:12] <popey> not OOM'ed once
[14:13] <davmor2> popey: you'll be getting an ND when they ship then for 2D Craft, the minecraft you love only in 2D :D
[14:13] <popey> ND?
[14:14] <davmor2> popey: http://the-nd.com/
[14:14] <popey> i fully expect that device to never get made
[14:15] <davmor2> popey: hahaha
[14:20] <directhex> terarrium is already a 2d minecraft, no?
[14:20] <oimon> or it might get released for £99
[14:20] <gord> its a different game than minecraft really, its more adventure based, minecraft is more lego based
[14:34] <dogmatic69> what is the correct if(!is_file('/path/to/file')) for bash?
[14:35] <dogmatic69> if[[ !-e "/path/to/file" ]] is what i got
[14:35] <dogmatic69> all it does is complains 'No such file or directory'
[14:35] <jpds> dogmatic69: if [ ! -e /path/to/file ]; then
[14:37] <dogmatic69> yntax error near unexpected token `then'
[14:37] <dogmatic69> jpds: its not liking that much :/
[14:37] <jpds> dogmatic69: /bin/sh or /bin/bash ?
[14:37] <dogmatic69> bash
[14:38] <jpds> Cause, you know: http://tldp.org/LDP/Bash-Beginners-Guide/html/sect_07_01.html
[14:39] <dogmatic69> gah
[14:40] <dogmatic69> if[ == fail
[14:40] <dogmatic69> if [ == win
[14:40] <dogmatic69> jpds: thanks :)
[14:42] <BigRedS> I _never_ get bash syntax right on the first go
[14:42] <BigRedS> or the second, third or fourth, really. By the fifth I've rewritten in it perl with a bunch of backticks
[14:42] <jpds> dogmatic69: No worries.
[14:43] <dogmatic69> BigRedS: ye, change the /bin/bash to /usr/bin/php and its done in 2.5 seconds
[14:44] <BigRedS> php? ew.
[14:44] <dogmatic69> it works
[14:46] <jpds> dogmatic69: What you need is /usr/bin/python.
[14:48] <BigRedS> and backticks containing `perl -e ....` :)
[14:49] <dogmatic69> hehe
[14:49]  * dogmatic69 gets some popcorn
[14:50] <BigRedS> Haha, I'm quite bad at those arguments. I don't default to perl because it's better than anything else, just 'cause I know it and haven't yet bothered to learn anything else
[14:51] <dogmatic69> same as php for me
[14:53]  * czajkowski is impressed with the NHS 
[14:57] <davmor2> czajkowski: +1 they are good
[14:58]  * MooDoo was at whitby and they were handing our "i love the nhs" wrist bands
[14:59] <shauno> I never realised I liked the nhs until I saw a friend get a $1200 bill for riding an ambulance :/
[15:00] <directhex> bargain
[15:00] <popey> Did he go Wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee! NEEEE NAWWW NEEEE NAAWWWW!?
[15:00] <popey> to get his moneys worth
[15:00] <shauno> lol
[15:01] <davmor2> shauno: omg riding in a rodeo is cheaper :D
[15:01] <MooDoo> yeee haw!
[15:03] <MooDoo> woohoo 30 mins till home time
[15:11] <daubers> MooDoo: Slacker, hour and 20 minutes left for me :(
[15:11] <MooDoo> daubers, started at 8 though, up; since 6 :(
[15:11] <daubers> MooDoo: I start at 8 most days :(
[15:11] <MooDoo> daubers, ouch
[15:12] <daubers> (I'm only contracted to start at 9 admittedly... but stuff needs to be done)
[15:13] <davmor2> woohoo 3 hours 48 minutes till home time
[15:13] <MooDoo> davmor2, ner ner ner ner ner :p
[15:13] <MooDoo> lol
[15:17] <MooDoo> well that serves me right, this restore i'm doing aint going to take 10 mins :(
[15:19] <davmor2> MooDoo: ner ner ner ner ner :p
[15:19] <MooDoo> davmor2, touche!
[15:19] <davmor2> Muhahahahahahahahahaha!
[15:19] <MooDoo> git....
[15:21]  * davmor2 takes his finger off the hdd platter 
[15:23] <MooDoo> davmor2, you being a DJ again
[15:24] <davmor2> MooDoo: no I thought it might make your restore go faster
[15:24] <MooDoo> davmor2, nah :) got the wd40 out :)
[15:34] <NET||abuse> just installed ubuntu on the 12GB wated recovery partition left by windows (2GB swap for 4GB ram and 10GB / partition)
[15:34] <NET||abuse> hopefully my windows won't go into crisis and need it :)
[15:36] <NET||abuse> how does the room feel on drivers for the radeon mobility HD 3400?   should i use fglrx or not?
[15:36] <NET||abuse> this is on sony viao VGN-FW21E
[15:40] <gord> no idea, tell us how things work out :)
[15:40] <NET||abuse> kay :)
[15:40] <NET||abuse> first boot update laaaaag,,
[15:40] <NET||abuse> wiating for the 400 + updates to install
[15:41] <NET||abuse> i selected download updates while installing, i guess i thought that meant it would slip stream install them, but i guess it just has them on disk ready to annoyingly want to be installed when you finally boot in
[15:41] <NET||abuse> nadgers
[15:42] <oimon> ugh thats a bit gross. moved my pc so i could upgrade the net card and 2 silverfish wriggled out
[15:43] <NET||abuse> of the network card?
[15:43] <oimon> from under the pc
[15:43] <NET||abuse> oh that's ok
[15:43] <NET||abuse> thought the silverfish were like "we can haz intarnetz inside network port "
[15:44] <oimon> if it was a male+female i could be in trouble
[15:44] <NET||abuse> splicing their microscopic silverfish netbooks directly onto the contacts of your network port : )
[15:44] <oimon> The female lays groups of less than fifty eggs at once, deposited in small crevices
[15:46] <hamitron> oimon: need a cat to eat them
[15:47] <hamitron> ;)
[15:47] <oimon> or a centipede
[15:47] <oimon> this is my work PC
[15:47] <hamitron> they aren't harmful are they?
[15:47] <NET||abuse> oimon, i think you need to get a low toxicity pesticide spray and you can treat all the areas you see them occupying too make sure you nuke their eggs
[15:48] <NET||abuse> hamitron, nah, they munch on plastic and glue type substances, they can be a bit nasty to houseplants if you have any, and can, over a very long time, damage sealant like around the edges or under a bath or wiring
[15:48] <oimon> oh bugger i just spotted another
[15:49] <davmor2> oimon: you're infested
[15:49] <hamitron> NET||abuse: seriously?
[15:49] <NET||abuse> heard some say they can be like moths on your clothes, munching little holes in jumpers etc.
[15:49] <hamitron> we have hundreds in the kitchen
[15:50] <NET||abuse> not sure about the simple hygene issues around them, if they can be in anyway bacteria spreading or anything
[15:50] <hamitron> I can confirm slugs eat paper though
[15:52] <oimon> i've got a EPA hoover around somewhere
[15:52] <shauno> I really don't enjoy trying to invent enough *cough* to fill a CV :/
[15:52] <oimon> :-\
[15:54] <hamitron> they can live for a year with no food? :-o
[15:54]  * hamitron hides
[15:55] <oimon> :(
[15:55] <oimon> time to move office
[15:55] <hamitron> but I swear my cat does more damage than them
[15:55] <hamitron> it attacks them and claws the carpet
[15:55] <hamitron> :D
[15:55] <AlanBell> http://www.ubuntu.com/business/desktop/webcast
[15:57] <NET||abuse> why is aptitude not in ubuntu by default anymore?
[15:58] <shauno> because popey's mom doesn't need it
[15:58] <hamitron> it isn't?
[15:58] <hamitron> I thought aptitude was replacing apt-get?
[15:58] <shauno> I thought it was synaptic which was on the chopping block
[15:59] <AlanBell> synaptic won't be on the cd
[15:59] <AlanBell> but will be in the software centre
[15:59] <shauno> and it really is that simple.  the people who need it, know fine well where to find it
[15:59] <hamitron> yeh
[15:59] <AlanBell> yo dawg, we heard you liked app stores, so we put an app store in your app store so you can get software while you get software
[15:59] <hamitron> be a bugger if you didn't have aptitude or apt-get
[15:59] <hamitron> ;)
[16:07] <NET||abuse> hmm, if i want to add the windows partition to the fstab, what's the quickest way?
[16:08] <shauno> vim :)
[16:09] <MartijnVdS> Hm
[16:09] <MartijnVdS> sometimes window switching slows down extremely
[16:09] <MartijnVdS> and I see lots of messages on dbus about something called "bamf"
[16:20] <AlanBell> !info bamf
[16:20] <lubotu3`> Package bamf does not exist in natty
[16:21] <AlanBell> !info bamfdaemon
[16:21] <lubotu3`> bamfdaemon (source: bamf): Window matching library - daemon. In component main, is optional. Version 0.2.90-0ubuntu3 (natty), package size 42 kB, installed size 192 kB
[16:21] <AlanBell> it works out what .desktop a window belongs to
[16:21] <AlanBell> wonder if that is for adding stuff to the unity menu
[16:22] <directhex> AlanBell, i wonder if that's to blame for chrome apps not properly appearing on their own...
[16:22] <ali1234> yes and yes
[16:22] <ali1234> also plenty of other apps don't work properly
[16:23] <ali1234> eg minecraft and probably anything java
[16:23] <ali1234> bitcoin
[16:23] <ali1234> wine stuff seems to work somehow
[16:24] <MartijnVdS> bitcoin isn't wine
[16:24] <MartijnVdS> it's native
[16:24] <MartijnVdS> or am I mis-parsing :)
[16:24] <ali1234> yes
[16:25] <directhex> bitcoin has the other issue, the NO YOU CANNOY HAVE SYSTRAY ICONS YOU POOHEAD design decision
[16:25] <ali1234> you also can't pin it to the launcher
[16:25] <ali1234> you can, but when you close it and then try to run it from the launcher, you just get a second icon
[16:25] <ali1234> and sometimes the first icon doesn't work at all
[16:26] <ali1234> this happens whether you pin it automatically or make a .desktop by hand and then pin that
[16:26] <directhex> likelihood of citylink turning up in the next 5 minutes?
[16:26] <MartijnVdS> directhex: 0.001%
[16:26] <ali1234> exact same thing happens with minecraft
[16:27] <davmor2> MartijnVdS: Don't raise his hopes
[16:28] <MartijnVdS> davmor2: I like playing with peoples' heads :P
[16:37] <NET||abuse> hmm, if i symlink all my folders to the windows profile folders, eg.. Documents, Downloads, Pictures, Music, Videos,, that's all fine, but i can't create symlinks inside the now ntfs resident folders, is that right?
[16:38] <shauno> linux won't create symlinks on ntfs (or fat32), no
[16:38] <NET||abuse> yup, figured
[16:38] <directhex> sounds like a defect in ntfs-3g
[16:38] <directhex> ntfs supports symlinks these days
[16:38] <NET||abuse> nah, symlinks and ntfs links are different implementations
[16:39] <NET||abuse> not sure they can be API equivelants
[16:42] <directhex> NET||abuse, junction points have semantic differences. but modern ntfs does real "files on remote network share? no problem" symlinks
[16:42] <shauno> is ntfs considered that safe now then?  last I used it, they advised against rw partitions if you cared about the data at all
[16:44] <shauno> so, google+ is driving me batty already.  it seems to order posts by some measure of how insane it thinks you'll find the results
[16:44] <directhex> never had an issue tbh
[16:45] <shauno> I have a post from the 9th, followed by a post from 5 hours ago, followed by a post from yesterday, then a post from the 5th
[16:45] <shauno> I can't figure out what it's trying to do.  stuff just keeps coming back to the surface
[16:45] <brobostigon> shauno: it might be ordered, as to when people have commented on , those posts.
[16:46] <shauno> that could be
[16:46] <shauno> it seems incredibly silly to me.  people are only commenting on last week's posts, because all they can see is last week's posts
[16:47] <shauno> so it's self-perpetuating flotsam
[16:54] <MartijnVdS> shauno: Just like the rest of the internets!
[16:59] <davmor2> Just WOW that some kissing http://blog.craftzine.com/archive/2011/07/affectionate_lipstick_portrait.html
[17:00] <bigcalm> She must really like her work
[17:00] <bigcalm> Time to go dog walking!
[17:12] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Stuart Langridge] Saving a folder into Ubuntu One - http://www.kryogenix.org/days/2011/07/12/saving-a-folder-into-ubuntu-one
[17:25] <jacobw2> o/
[17:26] <jacobw2> hmm
[17:27] <jacobw> excellent
[17:28] <antdillon> hey matt
[18:15] <Featurefreak>  hmm, having horrible laggy performance in vlc on a very high end laptop.. fglrx drivers..
[18:15] <Featurefreak> am i better off using an open source package instead?
[18:16] <daubers> Lo
[18:17] <oracology> Featurefreak: open source package for what, sorry?
[18:22] <Featurefreak> oracology, :) the open source radeon drivers instead of the fglrx drivers
[18:22] <Featurefreak> for a Mobility Radeon HD 3400
[18:22] <AlanBell> vlc client or server?
[18:22] <AlanBell> and what is the server?
[18:26] <oracology> Featurefreak: ahhh right. i thought you meant open source package for vlc and i was thoroughly confused :)
[18:26] <Featurefreak> eh? vlc the player on the desktop :)
[18:27] <Featurefreak> fresh natty install on my sony viao VGN-FW21E, vlc 1.1.9
[18:28] <oracology> Featurefreak: are you missing any codecs? I'd suggest installing a vlc ppa. there could be newer versions. afaik, fglrx should work quite well.
[18:28] <Featurefreak> fair nuff, so fglrx isn't a bad choice anyway.
[18:29] <czajkowski> Featurefreak: also asking the same question in multiple channels is kinda annoying btw
[18:30] <Featurefreak> i meant to start in uk, unfortunately your about hte only one who's really active in IE :P
[18:30] <czajkowski> no it's just evening time
[18:30] <czajkowski> people tend to have dinner around now
[18:31] <oracology> czajkowski: I'm having dinner right now :)
[18:33] <TheOpenSourcerer> I've had mine :-D
[18:34] <Featurefreak> hmm, i have recommended updates on, but not the pre-released updates source
[18:34] <TheOpenSourcerer> Mince Beef and Onion Pie, Peas and New Potatoes from the Garden.
[18:35] <daubers> TheOpenSourcerer: I might attempt potatoe and broad bean curry tomorrow
[18:35] <TheOpenSourcerer> It was pretty good, even if I say so myself.
[18:35] <TheOpenSourcerer> I made it kind of Balti Style
[18:37] <oracology> Featurefreak: turn everything on and then find a vlc ppa as well to stay really ahead of the game ;)
[18:39] <oracology> Featurefreak: also check vlc settings to make sure it is actually using hardware acceleration to render, and not mesa or something.
[18:39] <oracology> Featurefreak: otherwise, your fglrx isn't doing anything useful ;)
[18:41] <AlanBell> Featurefreak: oops thought you meant vnc :)
[18:43] <Featurefreak> oracology, hm, the vlc graphic accelleration option is "experimental"
[18:43] <Featurefreak> there's a lot of options in there though.
[18:44] <oracology> Featurefreak: don't pick anything with "nv" in the list. is there anything for fglrx? or maybe set it to opengl
[18:46] <Featurefreak> mmm, nah, no fglrx specific stuff anywhere i can see.
[18:46] <Featurefreak> Xvideo (XCB),   GLX video output (XCB)
[18:47] <oracology> Featurefreak: try glx
[18:49] <oracology> Featurefreak: also, address messages to people directly. when you send it to everyone, it might make others' computers beep and they might get distracted. :)
[18:51] <Featurefreak> oracology, really?? i used irc for a long while and never heard people getting alerts when no-one is addressed?
[18:51] <oracology> Featurefreak: it might, that's all. depends what clients they're using. just in case :)
[18:51] <oracology> Featurefreak: i use pidgin, and it used to beep for me, for instance. i'd like to beep when someone's trying to get my attention in particular
[18:52] <AlanBell> addressing people all the time is more of an issue in #ubuntu where the stream is so fast and it is hard to track three conversations at once
[18:53] <oracology> AlanBell: agreed. i haven't been around this channel long enough to note its traffic patterns :(
[18:53] <AlanBell> #ubuntu hurts my head
[18:54] <oracology> haha, it is noisy. i stick with ubuntu-uk and ubuntu-ca
[18:55] <Featurefreak> lord help me, i alt-F4 'd my xchat, it says minimize to tray, and then,,,, emmmmmmmmmm
[18:55] <oracology> Featurefreak: no worries.
[18:55] <Featurefreak> unity has no tray??
[18:55] <MartijnVdS> it's a feature :)
[18:55] <oracology> Featurefreak: it does sometimes :P whenever it feels like it, it puts things in the dock on the left
[18:57] <Featurefreak> emm, hmm, i didn't have an xchat icon in the dock on the left already, and then i added it, and it didn't reattach to the dock icon
[18:57] <Featurefreak> so how do you retreive them?
[18:57] <davmor2> Featurefreak: it has if you install the plugin it appears under the envelope
[18:57] <oracology> thanks davmor2! i didn't know that. i haven't used xchat in years
[18:58] <Featurefreak> davmor2, nice.. oracology what irc client you use?
[18:58] <oracology> Featurefreak: pidgin :)
[18:59] <davmor2> oracology, Featurefreak: Xchat indicator is the one
[19:00] <Featurefreak> arcch??? pidgin?? yikes, hate the pidgin irc experience
[19:00] <oracology> Featurefreak: it does the job for me. i like xchat though. might like to get back on it at some point!
[19:00] <oracology> davmor2: thanks
[19:01] <Featurefreak> hmm, have to restart xchat to connect them.
[19:24] <Featurefreak> hmm, having no luck with keyboard shortcut, alt-F12 for tomboy menu isn't working.
[19:26] <oracology> Featurefreak: do you have to enable it in xchat preferences maybe?
[19:27] <Featurefreak> nah, no option there.
[19:27] <Featurefreak> just havn't restarted yet.
[19:28] <Featurefreak> gonna try now.
[19:28] <Featurefreak> yeh, works now :)
[19:29] <Featurefreak> yeh, clicking on doc icon starts another instance of xchat while it's minimised.
[19:29] <Featurefreak> doh,, bit of an inconsisten setup :)
[19:47] <Featurefreak> woah, laggy respone on getting the static task switcher to come up on this.. darnit,, most system level stuff is nappy on this machine, apps start really snappy, but compiz plugins are really sluggish to take effect.
[21:09] <brobostigon> good night everyone, sleep well.
[21:11] <dogmatic69_> hey all
[21:17] <dogmatic69_> anyone have recommendations for a new pc?
[21:21] <TheOpenSourcerer> Build your own dogmatic69
[21:21] <dogmatic69_> obviously .... :)
[21:22] <daubers> TheOpenSourcerer++
[21:22] <dogmatic69_> s/pc/pc bits
[21:22] <TheOpenSourcerer> Read a few back-issues of Custom PC to get the latest on the best VFM hardware.
[21:22] <dogmatic69_> vfm?
[21:23] <TheOpenSourcerer> Value For Money
[21:23] <dogmatic69_> ah
[21:23] <TheOpenSourcerer> Obviously your choice will also depend on what you want to do with it, or what you want it to do for you.
[21:24] <dogmatic69_> ok, how about this then... what is a good/the best way to set up linux? one big raid, hdd for root,home,swap, one for all etc?
[21:24] <daubers> Anyone now if Unity will run on an eee 701?
[21:24] <dogmatic69_> live cd?
[21:24] <daubers> dogmatic69: Not got that far yet :)
[21:24] <daubers> dogmatic69: Also the answer to your question is.... "depends"
[21:24] <TheOpenSourcerer> dogmatic69 yes.
[21:25] <daubers> dogmatic69: Is this a general purpose home machine, or a uber powered uber machine??
[21:26] <TheOpenSourcerer> I'm off to bed. NN all. Busy day tomorrow selling Free Software :-D
[21:26] <dogmatic69_> daubers: why does it always have to 'depend' on something :D
[21:26]  * dwatkins wanders in
[21:26] <dogmatic69_> its home for work/mc/etc
[21:26] <dwatkins> ciao TheOpenSourcerer
[21:27] <dwatkins> dogmatic69_: I'm with daubers - it depends on your requirements
[21:27] <dogmatic69_> later
[21:27] <dwatkins> What's "mc" dogmatic69_?
[21:27] <dogmatic69_> minecraft :D
[21:27] <dwatkins> Aha, I see - so you need it to be reasonably quick as far as the GUI's concerned.
[21:27] <dogmatic69_> ye
[21:28] <dwatkins> What kinds of apps do you use for work?
[21:28] <dogmatic69_> would like 2x (something fast) gpu
[21:28] <dogmatic69_> php dev
[21:28] <dwatkins> So you use vi in a terminal window, then? ;)
[21:28] <dogmatic69_> browser + web server
[21:28] <dogmatic69_> just about
[21:28] <dwatkins> You could do all that on an Eee.
[21:29] <dogmatic69_> not on 3x 23" monitors
[21:29] <dogmatic69_> i got 8gig's ram and a quad core q8200 now
[21:29] <dwatkins> As for the disk configuration, I'd definitely separate out the OS from your data drive, and make sure your data is RAIDed (or at least mirrored) and backed-up, off-site if possible, to guard against failure. The OS is easy enough to reinstall from CD, your data probably isn't as replaceable.
[21:30] <dogmatic69_> ye
[21:30] <dwatkins> I had my server booting off a 4 GB compact flash / device with separate /home and other partitions, for example.
[21:30] <dogmatic69_> if i do that, what is on root? just ubuntu... where do apps go from apt-get install etc
[21:30]  * dwatkins hands dogmatic69_ a can opener
[21:31] <dwatkins> You'll need that for the big can of worms you're about to open ;)
[21:32] <dwatkins> In theory, software apps live in /usr, config files in /etc and libs in /lib, with runtime stuff in /var, but there's a lot of cross-over for certain apps, and directories within those (e.g. /usr/local, /usr/share) which have special designations.
[21:32] <dwatkins> Have a read of the FSH documentation for more information.
[21:32] <ali1234> libs that you install with apt-get will go in /usr/lib 99% of the time
[21:32] <dogmatic69_> :S
[21:32] <ali1234> in fact almost everything that you apt-get will go into /usr
[21:32] <dwatkins> FHS, even
[21:32] <dwatkins> ah ok, not /lib then
[21:33] <dogmatic69_> ok... say i get 3x SSD's, one for 'root' 2x for 'home' in a raid
[21:33] <dogmatic69_> how big is needed for root?
[21:33] <dogmatic69_> 16GB is good?
[21:34] <dogmatic69_> i just dont want apps to fill it up, cos then i should get a bigger one
[21:34] <daubers> dogmatic69: SSDs in RAID don't support TRIM properly yet
[21:35]  * dogmatic69_ is out of touch with this techno talk
[21:35] <daubers> dogmatic69: If you're looking at buying SSD's go read up on the various different ones on the market
[21:36] <daubers> dogmatic69: TRIM essentially lets the wear levelling stuff on the SSD work better, so your performance doesn't tail off too badly over time
[21:36] <dogmatic69_> just having a read up, so that needs a better SSD controller
[21:36] <dogmatic69_> which does not really exist
[21:37] <dogmatic69_> right, so if i have OS on SSD, and user stuff on hdd's, will it affect performance compared to all being no SSD's with no raid?
[21:37] <daubers> dogmatic69: The more recent SSDs have TRIM support
[21:38] <czajkowski> CAKE man
[21:38] <daubers> dogmatic69: Your OS stuff will benefit from being on an ssd
[21:38] <daubers> czajkowski: lo
[21:38] <dogmatic69_> o/ czajkowski
[21:38] <dogmatic69_> the controller is built into the mobo right?
[21:38] <daubers> czajkowski: I hear you've been trying to coax your roomba to rise up in rebellion with the drone and take over the world
[21:39] <czajkowski> rooma wins hands down
[21:39] <czajkowski> battery in drone sucks
[21:39] <daubers> heh
[21:39] <czajkowski> it does
[21:39] <czajkowski> plus it has a landing box
[21:39] <daubers> Unsurprising really
[21:39] <czajkowski> which gets int he way of the roomba
[21:40] <czajkowski> so the roomba just bangs into it and moves it
[21:41] <daubers> Not got some more beacons to stop the roomba trying to eat the drone alive?
[21:41] <daubers> dogmatic69: The SSD controller is on the SSD :)
[21:42] <daubers> Also \o/ I've sussed what to set my ringtone too on my new phone
[21:42] <daubers> Wacky Races theme here we go
[21:43] <dogmatic69_> ah
[21:44] <dogmatic69_> so RAID 1 on usr files is good enough for home use, plus a backup to something like synology
[21:45] <dwatkins>    ~.
[21:46] <dwatkins> oops, sorry
[21:47] <dwatkins> dogmatic69_: good enough is whatever means you don't lose your data. In some cases, data at home is more important than data at work.
[21:47] <dwatkins> Lives may depend on home data, whereas there's just money and/or time invested in work-related stuffs in general.
[21:47] <dogmatic69_> dwatkins: considering ive never had a backup...
[21:47] <dogmatic69_> *ever*
[21:47]  * dogmatic69_ likes living on the edge :/
[21:47] <dwatkins> If your disk on which your most important files failed right now, what would the impact be?
[21:48] <dwatkins> *files reside
[21:48] <dogmatic69_> 8k pics of my son growing up :S
[21:48] <dwatkins> You might want to put those online.
[21:48] <dogmatic69_> im gonna get a RAID5 synology box
[21:48] <dogmatic69_> 9TB
[21:49] <dwatkins> Ok, sounds good - what if the controller fails?
[21:49] <dogmatic69_> idk
[21:49] <dwatkins> Just trying to consider the single points of failure ;)
[21:49] <dogmatic69_> move them to another one
[21:49] <dogmatic69_> the drives that is
[21:49] <dwatkins> That's my point, though - the drives might be configured in such a way that is dependant on a specific model of controller
[21:49] <dogmatic69_> this is the problem with backups, it just starts getting crazy :D
[21:50] <dogmatic69_> ye
[21:51] <dogmatic69_> also need to keep in mind what will work with our beloved ubuntu
[21:54] <dwatkins> Yeah, I doubt there's a Carbinote client for Ubuntu.
[21:54] <dwatkins> If you have another PC, just rsync the files, alternatively find someone willing to do the same across the internet.
[22:17] <dogmatic69_> which is better on ubuntu? crossfire or sli
[22:23] <WorMzy> /*
[22:28] <popey> i see Lennart taking the piss out of bug 809426 on G+
[22:28] <lubotu3`> Launchpad bug 809426 in pulseaudio (Ubuntu) "pulseaudio error message contains unnecessarily offensive content (dup-of: 444400)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/809426
[22:28] <lubotu3`> Launchpad bug 444400 in pulseaudio (Ubuntu) "Inappropriate error message when attempting to execute daemon while another daemon process is running" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/444400
[22:51] <dogmatic69_> anyone see something that wont work for ubuntu here? http://bin.cakephp.org/view/707337964
[23:44] <directhex> ikonia: apparently iOS 5 beta 3 allows for setting custom SMS tones. it's the future!