[00:00] <gamerchick02> i'm off for antiques roadshow. old? yes, i am. see everyone tomorrow
[00:21] <rick_h_> greg-g: no idea when we'll cross paths again
[00:58] <greg-g> rick_h_: :(
[00:59] <rick_h_> greg-g: yea, we'll figure something out at some point
[01:03] <greg-g> rick_h_: if you need it by any point, just let me know, and I'll take the time to head to CHC
[11:12] <greg-g> g'morning
[11:15] <rick_h_> morning
[11:15] <rick_h_> early party greg-g ?
[11:21] <greg-g> about the usual now. I have an employee that needs to start at 8am (so she can get to her second half-time gig by noon-ish) so I need to be there to open the door for her
[11:22] <rick_h_> ah, gotcha
[11:41] <brousch> nappy nappy
[11:43] <Wolfger> morning
[11:44] <rick_h_> brousch: +1
[11:45] <rick_h_> crap, now I feel like I'm a google ad when I do a +1 in chat
[11:45] <Wolfger> why do you even do +1? We've always been a ++ crowd....
[11:45] <rick_h_> python doesn't do ++
[11:45] <Wolfger> It doesn't?
[11:46] <Wolfger> Lame
[11:46] <rick_h_> +=1
[11:46] <Wolfger> --
[11:48] <brousch> google's in your head, man
[11:48] <rick_h_> crap! /me runs
[11:49] <snap-l> Good morning
[11:49] <snap-l> We were doing +1 before +! became cool
[11:50] <snap-l> We're +1 hipsters
[11:51] <windows> morning
[11:52] <snap-l> Nice, looks like Jamendo updated their terms of service
[11:55] <snap-l> And we're about 5 minutes away from the OMC big four of CC metal
[11:57] <brousch> crap, i'm way behind on omc
[11:58] <brousch> no assburners?
[11:58] <snap-l> No assburners
[11:58] <snap-l> Everything else, though
[12:00] <brousch> i'm boycotting
[12:02] <snap-l> brousch: OK.
[12:02] <snap-l> http://openmetalcast.com/2011/07/12/open-metalcast-episode-25-the-big-four-of-cc-metal/
[12:03] <brousch> i need a snappy protest chant
[12:03] <greg-g> snap-l: do you know what the changes were to the Jamendo TOS?
[12:05] <brousch> blah blah own your ass blah blah all your music are belong to us blah blah lawsuit
[12:06] <snap-l> They give a small summary
[12:06] <snap-l> one sec.
[12:07] <snap-l> http://paste.mitechie.com/show/361/
[12:07] <snap-l> Mostly that artists need to make sure they're  not part of some collective agency (ASCAP)
[12:07] <snap-l> that they can pull out of Jamendo Pro at any time (used to be a year)
[12:08] <snap-l> and that Jamendo is committed to not using their tracks for things like pornos, political stuff, etc.
[12:08] <greg-g> ah, so mostly with PRO
[12:08] <snap-l> and the assurance that artists will keep their music "free" on the site.
[12:09]  * greg-g nods
[12:09] <snap-l> ie: I'm CC, but also ASCAP
[12:09] <snap-l> or I made a CC cover of Rick Astley, but that's ASCAP
[12:09] <greg-g> heh, right
[12:09] <snap-l> or BMI, or ...
[12:10] <snap-l> brousch: Still boycotting?
[12:10] <brousch> yes, until this afternoon when i'll have a chance to listen
[12:11] <snap-l> Ok, just wanted to make a note in Google Analytics. ;)
[12:11] <snap-l> I hope you all like the intro
[12:27] <rick_h_> http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2011/07/military-meltdown-monday-90k-military-usernames-hashes-released.ars
[12:27] <rick_h_> *sigh*
[12:30] <snap-l> rick_h_: That's AWESOME.
[12:31] <snap-l> (and by awesome, I mean freaking terrible)
[12:31] <rick_h_> yea, 90k military passwords for potential reuse across any facing military sites
[12:31] <rick_h_> sha-1 wheeee
[12:31] <rick_h_> If there's a high ranking officer in there with 12345 as a password, I'm going to explode
[12:32] <snap-l> rick_h_: Brace for it
[12:32] <rick_h_> http://www.duosecurity.com/docs/top250gawker.txt better not match up
[12:36] <greg-g> yeah, chances are there is one with 12345 (but maybe up to 8 if there are char limits) :)
[12:37] <rick_h_> always have greg-g to help me feel better
[12:37] <greg-g> 'tis what I'm here for
[12:40] <Wolfger> qwertyui
[12:41] <Wolfger> or for the touch-typists out there, a password meeting normal restrictions would be Asdfjkl;
[12:41] <Wolfger> (one cap plus one non-alpha)
[12:42] <rick_h_> Wolfger: however, if you reuse that password it's all for naught
[12:45]  * greg-g nods
[12:45] <greg-g> Thank you, Revelation Password manager
[12:46]  * Wolfger contemplates the name "Revelation" for a password manager....
[12:46] <Wolfger> I don't want my passwords revealed :-p
[12:47] <rick_h_> hah
[12:47] <greg-g> only to you, my good boy
[12:50] <windows> any one looking for work? OU has a sysadmin opening in the school of business. it's going to me mostly windows work. just fyi
[12:50] <windows> and you get to work with me :)
[12:51] <brousch> we would get to work with windows?
[12:51] <brousch> is that supposed to be an incentive?
[12:52] <rick_h_> heh, don't listen to brousch, he's a windows worker already :P
[12:53] <brousch> But my goal is to phase it out of existence
[12:59] <Wolfger> I'd be interested in that position, but something tells me OU wants a degreed applicant. And/or it won't pay comparable to my existing job :-p
[13:05] <windows> yeah, 4 year degree is a must
[13:07] <windows> working with windows is always a joy. :p
[13:13] <snap-l> Speaking of Windows: https://identi.ca/notice/78611773
[13:15] <Wolfger> :-)
[13:15] <Wolfger> All it needs is a talking paperclip...
[13:21] <Wolfger> Speaking of cutesy little crap... Why hasn't Ubuntu changed the "working" cursor to a rotating Ubuntu circle? That would be pretty slick...
[13:23] <snap-l> Wolfger: I'm not sure why.
[13:23] <snap-l> I'm surprised they didn't use the Atari ST Bee.
[13:23] <snap-l> http://www.cafepress.com/atari_st_bee
[13:23] <snap-l> That way you'd know your computer was a busy bee.
[13:24] <Wolfger> groan
[13:25]  * snap-l is regretting sticking witht eh Atari 8 bit for as long as I did
[13:25] <snap-l> missed out on the classic mac, the Atari ST, etc.
[13:28] <brousch> jcastro: which museum were you working at on dinosaur stuff?
[13:30] <snap-l> Thanks for the RTs
[13:31] <brousch> East siders with kids, how awesome is the Detroit Science Center? http://www.detroitsciencecenter.org/
[13:32] <snap-l> brousch: I don't know. I haven't been to the DSC in a while
[13:32] <snap-l> on the order of many many years.
[13:32] <snap-l> brousch: Have you been to Impression 5?
[13:33] <snap-l> http://impression5.org/index.php
[13:33] <brousch> no
[13:33] <snap-l> Last I was there, it was pretty damn awesome.
[13:33] <snap-l> that's been over 10 years now, iirc.
[13:33] <snap-l> But it's a very hands-on place.
[13:33] <brousch> we were supposed to have a family outing to the detroit zoo this weekend, but people are dropping due to heat
[13:33] <rick_h_> 10yrs and 10 budget cuts later ...
[13:34] <brousch> so i'm trying to reroute it to someplace indoors before people just give up
[13:34] <Wolfger> DSC is teh awesome
[13:35] <Wolfger> no kids, but I have godchildren :-p
[13:35] <Wolfger> and I love it just for the domed Imax movies
[13:36] <_stink_> brousch: it's worth a trip, i think
[13:36] <_stink_> depends on the age of the kids
[13:37] <brousch> 3 - 4
[13:37] <brousch> i think the animatronic dinos would be enough by themselves
[13:37] <_stink_> yeah
[13:38] <_stink_> it's a good alternative for sure
[13:38] <_stink_> for the zoo
[13:46] <greg-g> anyone know anything about http://www.typemock.com/
[13:46] <greg-g> ?
[13:47] <greg-g> I just got a personal email suggesting we (the LoCo) do a webinar about it
[13:47] <greg-g> if you want a free license for it, let me know, I don't think we'll do the webinar as a group :)
[13:48] <snap-l> Interesting.
[13:48] <rick_h_> greg-g: not seen/heard of typemock
[13:48] <snap-l> brousch: There's also the Cranbrook museum, but that's not as geared to young ones, if memory serves.
[13:52] <greg-g> btw, I feel soooo much better with my Photos/Videos/Music now on my RAID 1 enclosure (only took about an hour last night after a couple failed first starts, figuring out the optimum setup)
[13:57] <snap-l> greg-g: Very cool
[14:14] <brousch> greg-g: and in the cloud, i assume
[14:22] <greg-g> brousch: Photos and Music are on my colo, videos not (yet)
[14:22] <greg-g> takes a lot longer to transfer video from laptop to USB drive than laptop to colo over wifi :)
[14:22] <greg-g> erm, switch than
[14:23] <brousch> even using U-M's ginormous pipes?
[14:24] <greg-g> well, the wifi is artificially limited, and I can't plug my laptop into the ethernet since it is not U-M owned (that is library policy, I could when I worked in the Med School's Dept. of Enabling Technologies)
[15:13] <Wolfger> so Python can do "normal" variable insertion of variables inside print statements, and also C-style formatted (i.e. %s to placehold for string variable) insertion? Why would you ever actually want to do the second of those two things?
[15:13] <_stink_> what do you mean by the first of those things?
[15:14] <Wolfger> print "There are", cars, "cars available."
[15:14] <snap-l> Wolfger: it's useful for decimal formatting
[15:14] <_stink_> ah, ok
[15:14] <_stink_> formatting and keeping a string template around for repeated use
[15:15] <_stink_> but now % substitution is deprecated, and .format() is what we're supposed to use.
[15:15] <Wolfger> ah, I understand the latter. Example of decimal formatting?
[15:16] <_stink_> http://docs.python.org/library/stdtypes.html#string-formatting-operations
[15:16] <_stink_> like number of places to the right of the decimal type stuff
[15:16] <rick_h_> ok so two parts
[15:17] <rick_h_> one, strings are immutable
[15:17] <rick_h_> building a string with + is a performance kill
[15:17] <rick_h_> never ever do that
[15:17] <rick_h_> .format() is the bomb and does all the fancinesss you want in one function call
[15:18] <snap-l> http://paste.mitechie.com/show/362/
[15:18] <Wolfger> I want fanciness? ;-)
[15:19]  * snap-l looks at all of his + concatenated strings.
[15:20] <snap-l> What should I use in place of +, then?
[15:20] <rick_h_> snap-l: .format()
[15:21] <snap-l> blergh
[15:21] <rick_h_> % is gone in pythong3
[15:21] <snap-l> print "Sending of " + infile + " with file-type " + data_file_type + "  failed"
[15:22] <snap-l> so instead that would be:
[15:22] <rick_h_> print "Sending of {0} with filetype {1} failed.format(infile, data_filetype)
[15:22] <snap-l> print "Sending of {} with file-type {} failed".format(infile,date_file_type)
[15:22] <rick_h_> or
[15:23] <rick_h_> print "Sending of {in} with filetype {type} failed.format(in=infile, type=data_filetype)
[15:23] <rick_h_> I think works
[15:23] <rick_h_> which is generally better since you can do things like
[15:24] <rick_h_> data = {in: xxx, type: zzz, size: 999}
[15:24] <rick_h_> and just do .format(**data)
[15:24] <rick_h_> and it'll match any names that exist4
[15:24] <rick_h_> /exist4/exist
[15:24] <Wolfger> Now that is fairly sweet
[15:24] <snap-l> Ah, interesting.
[15:24] <rick_h_> but each time you do + it reallocates memeory and builds a new string
[15:25] <rick_h_> so "test" + 3 + "bob" + var3 actually builds 4 different strings in memory
[15:25] <Wolfger> ugly
[15:25] <rick_h_> and you end up getting one back and the other 3 have to be garbage collected
[15:25] <rick_h_> yea, the .format() is also good for bringing all your 'output messages' to a single file
[15:25] <rick_h_> and doing things like
[15:25] <rick_h_> print msgs.invalid_file.format(**data)
[15:26] <rick_h_> poor mans internalization or string changes from client to client
[15:26] <_stink_> rick_h_: so **some_dict is how you take an existing dict and pass it into a function expecting keyword args?
[15:26] <rick_h_> right, it loops through the dict turning each key:val into kwargs
[15:26] <_stink_> that.... is something i did not know
[15:26] <_stink_> thanks
[15:26] <rick_h_> yea, very handy for things like that
[15:27] <rick_h_> cool when an object implements the dict protocol
[15:27] <rick_h_> say you have user.name user.age user.sex
[15:27] <rick_h_> you can fill out a whole user page with just html.format(**user)
[15:27] <Wolfger> screw book learning, I'm just going to ask questions in-channel when rick_h_ is around :-)
[15:28] <rick_h_> heh, well like all rules I don't always follow and I cheat and do + if I'm only doing it once in a string kind of thing
[15:28] <rick_h_> all my functional tests have "should not be empty: " + str(response)
[15:28] <rick_h_> because it's in tests and shorter than the .format() version
[15:28] <Wolfger> Now is all that dict-passing goodness peculiar to Py3, or is it in Py2 as well?
[15:31] <snap-l> It's in Py2
[15:31] <Wolfger> Also, is there some point at which the size of the dict becomes an issue? I mean, if we're concerned about building 4 strings to print one, are we also concerned that we might wind up passing a 200 entry dict into a print that needs only 1 or 2 of those?
[15:31] <rick_h_> well, string operations tend to be looped
[15:31] <rick_h_> say you're outputting a csv file or soething
[15:31] <rick_h_> you do 4 for each row of the file
[15:31] <rick_h_> and yes, dicts can have overhead
[15:32] <rick_h_> they'd about 5x more memeory overhead than a namedtuples
[15:32] <rick_h_> which is the preferred way to keep data like that if you're going ot have tons of it
[15:32] <rick_h_> the dict/object thing is handy since most data can/should be in that format anyway
[15:32] <rick_h_> but anytime I have a ton of dicts in a script I start using namedtuples
[15:33] <_stink_> what do you lose, then?  some dict methods?
[15:33] <rick_h_> well namedtuples are only as big as you define them
[15:33] <_stink_> ah, ok
[15:33] <rick_h_> so if there are 4 properties, you can only have those 4
[15:33] <rick_h_> you can't keep adding to them
[15:33] <rick_h_> since they're immutable
[15:34] <rick_h_> so you can't update the values as well
[15:34] <rick_h_> like a counter or something
[15:34] <rick_h_> they behave more like tuples, but with pretty names so it reads much nicer than
[15:34] <_stink_> right, gotcha
[15:34] <rick_h_> data[1], data[2]
[15:34] <_stink_> mutability is the key difference
[15:34] <rick_h_> it's data.filename, data.size
[15:34] <rick_h_> rgr
[15:34] <rick_h_> but if you're processing something known, file fields, data on a file you know, etc, it's much better performance
[15:35] <_stink_> yep
[15:35] <_stink_> cool, thanks
[15:35] <rick_h_> and thus ends python 101 by @mitechie for the day lol
[15:35] <rick_h_> homework is due thurs
[15:35] <_stink_> my dog ate it
[15:35] <rick_h_> psh, must be submitted to the server via git push
[15:40] <mpiccinato> Anyone using GitHub pages at all?
[15:42] <rick_h_> no, I looked into it, but doing it with sphinx docs seemed more compliacted
[15:48] <Wolfger> wait, what?
[15:48] <Wolfger> I missed the assignment.
[15:49] <Wolfger> And now I need Git 101 to submit my homework
[15:49]  * Wolfger cries
[15:49] <rick_h_> that was a pre-req
[15:49] <rick_h_> how did you get in without it?
[15:49] <Wolfger> dunno. They just let me sign up
[15:52] <Wolfger> OK, periscope down and back to work. P.S.: I hate stupid rules on the laptop that prevent the wifi from working the instant you plug a cable in, even though the cable is a direct connect to a device :-p
[16:46] <snap-l> Wolfger: Are you using VPN? It's likely to keep you from routing crap around
[16:47] <snap-l> All in the name of security.
[17:18] <rick_h_> whoa, just got emailed out of the blue to present at 1DevDay detroit
[17:19] <rick_h_> anyone know David Mckinnon?
[17:19] <rick_h_> or ever been to 1DevDay?
[17:21] <greg-g> neither
[17:22] <ColonelPanic001> never heard of either
[17:28] <rick_h_> http://1devdaydetroit.wordpress.com/ and https://sites.google.com/site/1devday/
[17:28] <rick_h_> looks like
[17:28] <rick_h_> cool, michigan based dev conf
[17:38] <snap-l> rick_h_: That is awesome. When is it?
[17:38] <rick_h_> No 4/5th
[17:38] <rick_h_> Nov that is
[17:39] <rick_h_> opening stuff the evening of 4th
[17:39] <rick_h_> conf day is 5th
[21:03] <Milyardo> rick_h_: What would you present? Alot of the topics seems to about Java
[21:11] <mpiccinato> rick_h_: david is a good guy, runs the Detroit Java User Group and has setup a couple local dev events
[21:24] <alpha-01> Hello?
[21:25] <Blazeix> alpha-01: hey
[21:25] <alpha-01> It works!
[21:25] <alpha-01> hello blazeix
[21:25] <Blazeix> hey, yep
[21:25] <snap-l> Hello there.
[21:26] <alpha-01> I was told this was the place to go to find local michiganders who might be able/willing to assist me with updating my OS
[21:26] <alpha-01> any chance that might be any of you?
[21:27] <snap-l> Um, that depends.
[21:27] <alpha-01> i thought so, just wanted to get some sort of conversation started
[21:27] <alpha-01> what would it depend on?
[21:28] <snap-l> What OS you're talking about?
[21:28] <alpha-01> ubuntu
[21:28] <Blazeix> do you know what version?
[21:29] <alpha-01> i read 11.04 was buggy when you try to thumbstick install it using sandisk
[21:29] <alpha-01> so i'd be content with whatever would actually work
[21:30] <Milyardo> You should be more specific about the version you're trying to upgrade from
[21:30] <Blazeix> what version are you on now?
[21:30] <alpha-01> i haven't been able to get a successful install since the first time i did this which was 8. something
[21:30] <Blazeix> You can go to the "System > About" menu, I htink
[21:30] <alpha-01> so i figure it is time to seek help from others and swallow that granual of pride
[21:30] <alpha-01> 8.10
[21:31] <alpha-01> i have a netbook so a live cd is out of the question...
[21:32] <alpha-01> and while i can get the machine to boot from the usb, it hangs at one point and just won't go anyfurther, gives up, and loads 8.10
[21:33] <snap-l> alpha-01: I don't believe you can upgrade from 8.10 to 11.04 directly
[21:34] <snap-l> because the intervening versions aren't there
[21:34] <alpha-01> i've also tried 10.04 to no avail
[21:34] <snap-l> and you'll likely get messed up
[21:34] <alpha-01> explains a lot
[21:35] <Milyardo> alpha-01: What netbook?
[21:35] <Milyardo> and what CD image are you trying to put on the UDB drive?
[21:35] <Milyardo> *USB
[21:36] <alpha-01> ubuntu-10.04.2-desktop-i386
[21:39] <snap-l> How are you putting the image on the USB key?
[21:43] <alpha-01> sorry for the disappearing act
[21:44] <alpha-01> ubuntu-10.04.2-desktop-i386.iso
[21:46] <alpha-01> anybody there?
[21:49] <alpha-01> anybody?
[21:57] <alpha-01> somebody, anybody!
[21:57] <alpha-01> I am sorry for leaving you
[21:57] <alpha-01> I won't ever do it again...
[22:02] <Blazeix> alpha-01: don't worry about it, some of us are busy. are you using usb-creator to create the usb stick?
[22:03] <alpha-01> "create a usb start up disk" part of ubuntu 8.10 admin apps.
[22:08] <alpha-01> so i am guessing the likelihood of finding another michigander is a little less than likely. Know thought that I still heartilly appreciate your effort.
[22:22] <alpha-01> ok, different question. what must i do to join an additional room?
[22:22] <alpha-01> or channel as i believe they might be called here.
[22:22] <_stink_> alpha-01: just do /join #whateveryouwant
[22:23] <alpha-01> thanks stink
[22:23] <_stink_> np
[22:25] <Milyardo> "i am guessing the likelihood of finding another michigander is a little less than likely", I know Flint's a ghost town, but I don't think its that bad
[22:25] <Milyardo> :)
[22:26] <alpha-01> detroit is closer, but then again, how many detroiter's use ubuntu, and of that number, how many in this channel right now?
[22:26] <alpha-01> :)
[22:42] <_stink_> alpha-01: do you have another machine handy?  one with a CD ROM drive?
[22:43] <_stink_> there are utilities for XP (and i guess for win7, not that i would know) that can make a bootable ubuntu USB drive
[22:43] <_stink_> might be your best bet
[22:44] <alpha-01> i might try that
[22:45] <alpha-01> other machine has no internet though so it will take a couple extra steps
[22:45] <alpha-01> thanks for the input
[22:46] <rick_h_> Milyardo: something about Python. I'm token divisertiy :)
[22:46] <rick_h_> mpiccinato: ah cool
[22:47] <_stink_> alpha-01: yeah, gotta get the ISO file onto the other machine somehow.
[22:47] <alpha-01> the regular install .iso?
[22:48] <_stink_> yeah - those USB creation tools always want you to be able to point at the iso file on the local machine's hard drive somewhere.
[22:49] <_stink_> and if that machine's not on the internets, you'll have to shuffle it via USB or something.
[22:49] <alpha-01> i have that already
[22:49] <_stink_> cool.  you just have to get it on the machine you'll create the bootable USB from.
[22:49] <alpha-01> ubuntu has an app to convert it to bootable usb form.
[22:50] <alpha-01> but it doesn't work
[22:50] <alpha-01> it gets stuck and then gives up and boots regular
[23:34] <snap-l> Have you verified the media?
[23:37] <alpha-01> ??
[23:37] <alpha-01> totally verified...?
[23:40] <rick_h_> greg-g: ?? you going back to CC?
[23:43] <greg-g> rick_h_: yep!
[23:44] <rick_h_> greg-g: dude! quit doing awesome stuff :P
[23:44] <greg-g> alright, email writing time, transition period begins
[23:44] <rick_h_> going back to CA then?
[23:44] <greg-g> yeah
[23:44] <rick_h_> boooooo! but yay
[23:44] <greg-g> :/ :)
[23:45] <brousch> wait, moving to california?
[23:46] <brousch> alpha-01: there is quite a large linux user group in detroit
[23:46] <brousch> snap-l is one of the board members or something
[23:47] <alpha-01> really?
[23:47] <alpha-01> i thought snap-l was from DC
[23:47] <greg-g> nope, our snap-l is in Detroit, board member of MUG (http://mug.org)
[23:47] <brousch> most of the active users in here are in detroit/ann arbor
[23:47] <alpha-01> nice
[23:48] <brousch> alpha-01: when you emailled me, i assumed you were in west mi
[23:48] <greg-g> MUG is going on right now, so that is why he isn't responding, he just finished giving a preso
[23:48] <brousch> heh
[23:48] <alpha-01> wow
[23:48] <alpha-01> where is MUG?
[23:49] <waldo323> we're in Southfield now
[23:49] <alpha-01> lol
[23:49] <rick_h_> http://www.mug.org/map/
[23:49] <greg-g> :)
[23:49] <waldo323> at the engineering society of detroit office
[23:49] <alpha-01> I'm hanging out in madison heights and live in west bloomfield
[23:49] <alpha-01> yay oakland county
[23:50] <waldo323> :)
[23:50] <alpha-01> well, if tyrok led me astray i may i have to meet up with one of you at some point.
[23:50] <brousch> is this still the unofficial MUG channel or did they get their own?
[23:50] <brousch> tyrok is the man
[23:50] <waldo323> we have one but this remains more active
[23:50] <alpha-01> very helpful
[23:50] <rick_h_> brousch: mug has its own channel
[23:51] <rick_h_> but this is official back channel not to be used on the projector :)
[23:51] <waldo323> #mugorg
[23:52] <brousch> my dad just got wimax out here in the boondocks between ravenna and sparta
[23:52] <brousch> i'm hooking up the rest of his network
[23:52] <alpha-01> intrepid ibex is dead, so he recommended replacing intrepid references with karmic in the etc/apt/sources.list and then upgrading which seems to be working so far.
[23:52] <alpha-01> not to the reboot yet, we shall see...
[23:52] <brousch> hm, risky
[23:53] <brousch> hopefully you backed up first
[23:53] <alpha-01> he had be back up
[23:53] <alpha-01> nothing else seemed to work, so hopefully this does the trick.
[23:54] <brousch> i recommend you back up your home dir and install the newest ubuntu. otherwise you'll have to upgrade through 9.04, 9.10, 10.04, 10.10, 11.04
[23:54] <alpha-01> tried installing 11.04 but i guess it is buggy with a sandisk thumbstick
[23:54] <alpha-01> then tried 10.10 to no avail.
[23:55] <snap-l> greg-g: WHere in CC are you headed?
[23:55] <snap-l> and COngratulations!
[23:55] <snap-l> And yes, I'm in Michigan.
[23:55] <alpha-01> hopefully after this i can jump to 10.10, otherwise it will be upgrade after upgrade.
[23:56] <greg-g> snap-l: where in CC? or where in CA? in CA: Bay Area (live in SF-city, work in Mt. View)
[23:56] <greg-g> in CC: well, working on OER stuff
[23:56] <greg-g> blog post forthcoming
[23:56] <rick_h_> greg-g: did you see that MSU stuff from Titus I linked you to hte other day?
[23:56] <rick_h_> CC course stuff for the genome mapping stuff
[23:57] <greg-g> yeah! that was really awesome looking
[23:58] <rick_h_> not sure if that fits your stuff, but figured it was cool none the less
[23:59] <greg-g> yeah, definitely related