[00:26] <BUGabundo> annnndddd I'm out
[01:38] <charlie-tca> !info wayland
[02:15] <lolcat> How can I see open network connections in linux?
[02:16] <Omega> lolcat: netstat
[07:54] <chand> Hi
[07:56] <chand> I can't get gnome-shell working on Oneiric with or w/o Ricotz testing ppa, gnome session load, then gnome-shell respawn too fast
[11:31] <BUGabundo> bRoas
[12:12] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[12:18] <KjetilK> Anything else I need to do for this sync than this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/librdf-rdfa-generator-perl/+bug/806875 ?
[12:23] <KNUBBIG> Hey, I use the oneiric alpha in a virtualbox and so of course, I have to use unity. How do I change the theme with the appearance dialog being gone?
[13:07] <geser> KjetilK: subscribe "ubuntu-sponsors" else they don't see it (a dev has to ACK your bug before it goes to the archive admins who act on it)
[13:16] <KjetilK> geser, ok, thanks
[13:21] <Daekdroom> KNUBBIG, it's no longer part of GNOME
[13:21] <Daekdroom> You can manually edit it using gconf-editor or install gnome-tweak-tool, which requires gnome-shell
[13:26] <ior3k> is it only me or is it just unbelievable the way they butchered gnome 3? Was kde 4 this bad? Actually, was gnome 2 this bad? I can't remember
[13:40] <KNUBBIG> Daekdroom: this is quite bitchy as gnome-shell doesn't run unter virtualbox for me so I can't install gnome-tweak tool ...
[13:52] <Daekdroom> KNUBBIG, it doesn't run, but all you have to do is install the package and keep using Unity.
[13:53] <Daekdroom> ior3k, KDE4 was heavily criticized upon its launch, indeed, but what's so bad about GNOME 3?
[14:06] <ior3k> Daekdroom: I can't say for sure, it "feels" like it's trying to restrict itself to a very specific kind of user
[14:07] <ior3k> Daekdroom: and I don't understand the decision behind gnome-shell (and unity 3d) too, of, e.g., making the panel part of the shell
[14:07] <ior3k> seems to me to be completely agains the unix principle of one tool for the job
[14:07] <Daekdroom> If they weren't part of the same thing, it'd be a panel and a dock, not a shell.
[14:07] <ior3k> so?
[14:08] <ior3k> why unity 2d and unity 3d? the unity 2d panel is quite good
[14:08] <ior3k> why not use that on both unity 2d and 3d
[14:08] <ior3k> ?
[14:08] <Daekdroom> Are they different?
[14:09] <ior3k> well, right now they are, the unity 2d one works with gtk2 and the unity 3d one works with gtk3, it seems
[14:09] <ior3k> I'd just like to understand why the duplication of effort
[14:09] <Daekdroom> Oh. Unity-3D is not friendly to computers that don't have 3D accel.
[14:09] <Daekdroom> That's all.
[14:10] <ior3k> a simple setting in the panel
[14:10] <ior3k> good abstractions would take care of it
[14:10] <Daekdroom> I'm not following.
[14:10] <Daekdroom> Unity-2D and 3D panels feel exactly the same, except for the GTK themeing that is different.
[14:11] <ior3k> Daekdroom: but is the code behind them the same? is there any reuse?
[14:11] <ior3k> if both tools would use the same panel, we wouldn't have this difference in behavior
[14:11] <Daekdroom> It doesnt matter. Once Unity-2D's panel goes GTK3, it'll still not use the same code.
[14:11] <Daekdroom> What difference in behaviour?
[14:11] <Daekdroom> The behaviour is pretty much the same. The code is different.
[14:12] <ior3k> unity 2d using gtk2 and unity 3d using gtk3
[14:12] <Daekdroom> That is not what I call behaviour. They're made using different toolkits to look as similar as possible.
[14:12] <ior3k> Daekdroom: that's my point: one panel = one team working on it = less effort = faster development
[14:12] <Daekdroom> Unity2d uses qt and and Unity3D uses nux
[14:13] <Daekdroom> I agree on that, but it's not possible to run Unity3D on every machine, so...
[14:13] <ior3k> so you abstract away the parts that don't
[14:13] <ior3k> and reuse the rest of the code
[14:13] <ior3k> doesn't seem like there's any need to write 2 entirely different systems
[14:13] <ior3k> same for the dock, etc
[14:14] <Daekdroom> They are meant to use the same indicators, for example, but Unity2D has yet to support gtk3.
[14:15] <ior3k> right, but if they came from the same codebase you wouldn't see this problem, I think
[14:16] <Daekdroom> I suspect that if it was possible, they'd have done it.
[14:16] <ior3k> yeah, that's what I hope :)
[14:16] <ior3k> but given that gnome 2 panel worked fine with compiz
[14:16] <ior3k> and given that, say, gnome-do worked fine both with compositing and without
[14:17] <Daekdroom> Unity-2D does work with compositing.
[14:17] <Daekdroom> It just doesn't have any bling.
[14:17] <ior3k> right, that's true
[14:17] <ior3k> which makes it even stranger :)
[14:18] <ior3k> but anyway, it's not my business
[14:18] <ior3k> I guess I'm just frustrated because gnome 2 worked just fine for me :)
[14:47] <Dimmuxx> is anyone else missing the network indicator?
[14:54] <charlie-tca> for several days already
[15:37] <dholbach> UDW (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDeveloperWeek) day 3 starting in 23 minutes in #ubuntu-classroom
[16:04] <smoser> anyone else having issues with firefox ?
[16:04] <smoser> if i have an extension installed, it will fail to start
[16:05] <micahg> smoser: extension not compatible?
[16:05] <smoser> it segfaults
[16:05] <smoser> i've tried 2 different extensions (pentadactly, and viewsourcewith)
[16:06] <micahg> smoser: are they binary?  they would need rebuilds for Firefox 6
[16:06] <smoser> pentadactyl installs and starts (and works fine) without a browser restart, but then if i have to restart, i segfault
[16:06]  * yofel only had one random crash with 6 so far, works fine otherwise
[16:06] <smoser> micahg, i dont think they're binary, i know nothing about extensions. i just click and install
[16:06] <smoser> :)
[16:07] <micahg> hmm, it was auto-bumped...
[16:09] <micahg> actually, I don't know if that's true...
[16:11] <micahg> smoser: you could try in a clean profile to see if it's something else you have installed (firefox -P)
[16:11] <smoser> yeah. i can try.
[16:12] <smoser> reproduces
[16:12] <smoser> $ firefox -ProfileManager -no-remote
[16:12] <smoser>  create new profile
[16:13] <smoser>  extensions -> install pentadactyl
[16:13] <smoser>  close browser
[16:13] <smoser>  start firefox (with that profile)
[16:13] <smoser> crash
[16:13] <micahg> smoser: does the crash reporter come up?
[16:13] <smoser> yeah
[16:16] <micahg> smoser: maybe file a crash report and see what the backtrace shows
[16:16] <micahg> s/file/submit/
[16:17] <smoser> hm... maybe it is just pentadactyl
[16:19] <smoser> i get "there was a problem submitting your report"
[16:29] <smoser> micahg, well, i submitted pentadactyl bug http://code.google.com/p/dactyl/issues/detail?id=595
[16:31] <micahg> smoser: k
[16:32] <smoser> the browser is useless to me without pentadactyl .
[16:32] <smoser> :)
[17:47] <CarlFK> $ gconftool-2 -g /desktop/gnome/background/picture_filename;  /usr/share/backgrounds/warty-final-ubuntu.png
[17:47] <CarlFK> yay warty!
[17:51] <trism> yeah, that hasn't changed in forever, the worst part is that it is a jpeg
[17:52] <yofel> it's there because someone hardcoded the name somewhere so renaming that would be a bit of a PITA
[17:56] <coz_> replace the image with th e same name ?
[18:25] <nit-wit> anybody getting the gnome3 look at logon. Is gnome3 the goal of oneiric in the end?
[18:39] <Daekdroom> Nice! The multimedia keys started working again.
[18:40] <smoser> micahg, i opened bug 810074
[18:40] <smoser> as it is not reproducible with binary from firefox of same version
[18:45] <h00k> Daekdroom: orly!
[18:45] <h00k> Daekdroom: what update fixed it?
[18:46] <Daekdroom> I'm not sure.
[18:46] <h00k> I'll have to check mine when Ig et home
[18:56] <Andre_Gondim> why the last live imagem is from 5th july?
[18:56] <Andre_Gondim> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/
[18:58] <trism> Andre_Gondim: my guess is lp 807974, see the comments at the end
[18:59] <yofel> sounds reasonable, they don't even try to build (as in: no build log on http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/cd-build-logs/ubuntu/oneiric/)
[18:59] <Andre_Gondim> thanks
[19:02] <charlie-tca> The alternate images (Daily) do work
[20:02] <Omega> How do I enable unity-greeter?
[20:14] <trism> Omega: edit /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf and set greeter-theme to unity
[20:15]  * Pici wonders if that landed in the lightdm ppa as well
[20:15] <trism> it actually looks pretty nice, something different anyway
[20:47] <litropy> I'm getting NISSERVER: not found when setting up nis. a recent google search tells me this is likely because ... somehow, a bit alarmingly, my computer has been set to check a server for my password file, or something along those lines. 1) how do I fix it; 2) What's the likelihood I've been hacked?
[20:57] <guntbert> litropy: I cannot help but please don't post your question in several ubuntu channels, are you on oneiric?
[20:57] <litropy> correct. apologies - chan was quiet.
[21:02] <guntbert> litropy: that happens ... as oneiric is still in alpha2 it could be an issue that gets solved soon ... hopefully
[21:03] <litropy> Maybe I another issue is easier: I have no time in my panel. Time and Date syspref crashes before loading its window.
[21:03] <litropy> -I
[21:06] <guntbert> litropy: I'm just lurking here, haven't installed oneiric yet - so again: no idea :)
[21:06] <xleelz> I just upgraded to Ubuntu 11.10 alpha 2 and tried to install gnome-shell so I could use the gnome 3 interface but it says that there are unmet dependencies and broken packages... what should I do?
[21:11] <h00k> xleelz: I don't think gnome-shell integration is complete at the moment
[21:11] <h00k> which is why there are unmet dependencies
[21:14] <xleelz> h00k, ok, thanks
[21:21] <Daekdroom> gnome-shell was broken by evolution-data-server-common update.
[21:21] <Daekdroom> It was installable until a few days ago.
[21:28] <xleelz> anyone know when they'll fix it?
[21:53] <hans_> Has kernel 3 solved the power regression yet?
[23:55] <IdleOne> !upgrader
[23:55] <IdleOne> !upgrade
[23:55] <Pici> IdleOne: expecting something different?
[23:56] <IdleOne> I was
[23:56] <IdleOne> I was wrong
[23:58] <IdleOne> Pici: wasn't there a wiki with note on upgrading to +1?
[23:58] <IdleOne> notes*