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| troy_s | Wow. | 16:49 |
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| troy_s | The Ubuntu Art mailing list is a train wreck I cannot turn away from. | 16:49 |
| troy_s | It is perhaps the most dark, macabre, and fascinating display of group dynamics and culture I have ever had the pleasure of seeing. | 16:50 |
| troy_s | Really fantastic stuff. Perhaps not in the manner desired, but absolutely fascinating nonetheless. | 16:50 |
| troy_s | vish: I found your commentary regarding the icon set very on point. Hobgoblin's consistency. | 16:51 |
| etneg | antone awake | 16:52 |
| troy_s | etneg: Antone perhaps not, but anyone yes. | 17:03 |
| etneg | i wsa hoping someone could digitally color a few logos for me | 17:06 |
| etneg | its for ubuntu ensemble | 17:06 |
| etneg | some guy offered to help me here before i f it had to do with ubuntu stuff | 17:10 |
| etneg | but he's gone missing:/ | 17:10 |
| troy_s | etneg: "Some guy" is your first mistake. Figure out whom. | 17:20 |
| troy_s | etneg: That's where I'd start. | 17:20 |
| etneg | he was around but was unresponsive then | 17:20 |
| etneg | oh well | 17:20 |
| troy_s | etneg: If it is a project that requires art and design elements | 17:20 |
| troy_s | etneg: The best thing you can do is to not treat it as an after-the-fact component of the project. | 17:20 |
| troy_s | etneg: And try to get someone to become a participant. A sort of sabdfl of the art and design elements. | 17:21 |
| troy_s | etneg: That minor step can have a tremendous impact on a project. | 17:21 |
| etneg | man i have it on the bugs report list | 17:22 |
| etneg | and so on | 17:22 |
| etneg | nobody to color it yet | 17:22 |
| troy_s | etneg: It isn't about color. | 17:22 |
| troy_s | etneg: Trust me on this. | 17:22 |
| etneg | what are you talking about then | 17:23 |
| troy_s | etneg: Chances are if your project doesn't have an abddfl (appointed benign design dictator for life) you are already soaking in a mess. | 17:23 |
| troy_s | etneg: If you have _anything_ that faces outward and toward an audience and you _do not_ have someone that cares about art and design around, you are already sunk. | 17:23 |
| etneg | wtf | 17:24 |
| etneg | are you trolling me? | 17:24 |
| troy_s | etneg: Yes I'm trolling you. Ciao. *sigh* | 17:24 |
| etneg | sigh | 17:25 |
| troy_s | etneg: May I ask what the project is and see where you require something to be colored? | 17:25 |
| etneg | ensemble | 17:25 |
| etneg | i did a few logos for them but havent received anyone to color it | 17:25 |
| troy_s | etneg: Sorry don't speak the code. | 17:25 |
| troy_s | etneg: No clue what ensemble is. | 17:26 |
| etneg | https://launchpad.net/bugs/807100 | 17:26 |
| ubot2 | Ubuntu bug 807100 in ubuntu-branding "Develop Ensemble logo (ensemble.ubuntu.com)" [Undecided,In progress] | 17:26 |
| etneg | oops | 17:26 |
| etneg | well yeah | 17:26 |
| etneg | that should do it | 17:26 |
| etneg | it'll give you an idea | 17:26 |
| troy_s | etneg: Does ensemble have an art / design lead? | 17:27 |
| etneg | wait are you trying to help me | 17:28 |
| etneg | with coloring it | 17:28 |
| troy_s | etneg: Wait yes. | 17:28 |
| etneg | oh ok | 17:28 |
| etneg | they dont have a design team lead for ensemble | 17:28 |
| etneg | they just wanted a logo and i offered my services | 17:28 |
| troy_s | etneg: And where are the links to your work? | 17:29 |
| etneg | i just posted the link to you | 17:29 |
| etneg | in te bugs list | 17:29 |
| troy_s | etneg: So those are _your_ sketches? | 17:29 |
| etneg | the first post you can see afew i did | 17:29 |
| etneg | yes | 17:29 |
| etneg | except http://ubuntuone.com/p/13yI/ i didnt do that | 17:29 |
| etneg | and in the bottom i posted another | 17:30 |
| etneg | Abi R is me | 17:30 |
| etneg | sladen posted some of my sketches there | 17:30 |
| troy_s | etneg: So you are capable with the pastel, but you are having issues with getting an SVG or something colored? | 17:31 |
| troy_s | etneg: Because if it is your work, I'd encourage you to perhaps color it yourself. You are likely the only one that will give it the attention you desire. | 17:31 |
| etneg | digital painting is what i have issues with | 17:31 |
| etneg | i dont hve a tablet or anything | 17:32 |
| etneg | so out of luck | 17:32 |
| etneg | the coloring i did for those are just samples | 17:32 |
| etneg | its not suposed to colored like that | 17:32 |
| troy_s | etneg: Hmm. Have you tried leveraging tracing until you get a tablet? | 17:32 |
| etneg | but if someone takes up the coloring initiative i can guide them about the palette | 17:32 |
| troy_s | etneg: Solid line work, scanned, and traced, can often get you to where you need. | 17:32 |
| etneg | there's ways to learn it but i dont think i ever will | 17:33 |
| etneg | no intention of doing digital painting | 17:33 |
| troy_s | etneg: Then I fear you are probably going to be met with similar success. | 17:33 |
| etneg | i thought you offered to color it? | 17:34 |
| coz_ | etneg, i agree,, you need to put your mind to at least inkscape for vector graphics | 17:34 |
| troy_s | etneg: No. I offered to try and see if there was a means to resolve the issue. | 17:34 |
| coz_ | troy_s, hey guy | 17:34 |
| troy_s | coz_: Greets cozziemoto | 17:34 |
| troy_s | ERKG | 17:34 |
| troy_s | Is cozziemoto you too coz_? | 17:34 |
| etneg | but you havent really tried to resolve it | 17:34 |
| coz_ | troy_s, yeah that's my other machine for scrollback :) | 17:34 |
| etneg | nothing is resolved in art by talking | 17:34 |
| etneg | that works best in mphilosophy | 17:35 |
| etneg | :D | 17:35 |
| etneg | hey coz_ | 17:35 |
| troy_s | etneg: Thanks for your illumination. | 17:35 |
| troy_s | etneg: But in plain terms | 17:35 |
| etneg | coz_: the guy who did tohse skethces? | 17:35 |
| troy_s | etneg: You are unlikely to find someone that is capable _and_ willing to color in someone else's work. | 17:35 |
| etneg | troy_s: you're generalizing way too much here | 17:35 |
| troy_s | etneg: Sure I am. | 17:35 |
| etneg | open source is community driven | 17:35 |
| coz_ | etneg, tohse sketches? not sure , several people are using my work for different things,, do you have a link? | 17:35 |
| etneg | and thre are people who do color MY work | 17:36 |
| troy_s | etneg: Example? | 17:36 |
| etneg | just not on tihs occasion because they dont work for ubuntu and work for other distributions | 17:36 |
| troy_s | etneg: Right. Sample? | 17:36 |
| coz_ | etneg, oh the figure sketches ,, yes | 17:36 |
| etneg | no sample now | 17:36 |
| etneg | sorry | 17:36 |
| etneg | coz_: ye | 17:36 |
| troy_s | etneg: Indeed. | 17:36 |
| etneg | coz_: you any good with coloring? | 17:36 |
| troy_s | LOL | 17:36 |
| etneg | coz_: i did some rough concepts for ensemble | 17:36 |
| etneg | troy_s: indeed what? | 17:36 |
| troy_s | etneg: It was a case in point that eluded you. | 17:37 |
| coz_ | etneg, well I can be,, however may I ask why you dont want to look into inkscape? | 17:37 |
| etneg | you hyavent made any case at all | 17:37 |
| etneg | coz_: lack of time and fear of moving away from pencil to digital painting | 17:37 |
| etneg | coz_: i need to get those colored asap, they have just one design thats digitized by one of the server lead members there | 17:37 |
| coz_ | etneg, let go of the fear,,, inkscape can be quite remarkable once you get used to the "vocaulary" of the tools | 17:37 |
| etneg | and have no more options, mine re still in pencil | 17:38 |
| etneg | so | 17:38 |
| coz_ | etneg, let me see the link again | 17:38 |
| etneg | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-branding/+bug/807100 | 17:38 |
| ubot2 | Ubuntu bug 807100 in ubuntu-branding "Develop Ensemble logo (ensemble.ubuntu.com)" [Undecided,In progress] | 17:38 |
| etneg | sladen posted some of my links on the first post | 17:38 |
| coz_ | etneg, 5 images? | 17:38 |
| etneg | and at the bottom i 3 new ones | 17:38 |
| etneg | na na | 17:38 |
| etneg | you dont have to do all 5 | 17:38 |
| etneg | we just need to do atlast 2 images | 17:38 |
| etneg | so they have more options on the table | 17:39 |
| etneg | right now their only option is to go with http://ubuntuone.com/p/148u/ | 17:39 |
| thorwil | those sketches need more than just coloring | 17:39 |
| etneg | but since mine arent colored, i tihnk they'd just go with the oxygen atom idea | 17:39 |
| etneg | thorwil: what more? | 17:40 |
| etneg | well it needs to be digitally painted of course | 17:40 |
| thorwil | no point in doing it, before you have precise and clean lines | 17:40 |
| etneg | and why cant that be achieved on inkscape | 17:40 |
| etneg | you can get all the cleanlines right there using the sketch as a reference | 17:40 |
| thorwil | it's easier to do on paper | 17:40 |
| etneg | run over it! | 17:40 |
| etneg | what precise clean line are you referring to though | 17:41 |
| etneg | if you're interested in coloring one of them, tell me and i can redraw it | 17:41 |
| thorwil | tracing is not enough. those are fine sketches, but rough. | 17:42 |
| etneg | yes it was just for a concept | 17:42 |
| etneg | but if you're interested in coloring one of them, tell me | 17:42 |
| etneg | so i can draw it out more clearly | 17:42 |
| thorwil | etneg: i have no time to do work on other people's art. but in any case, the linework is not in the shape it should be in | 17:42 |
| etneg | heh | 17:42 |
| etneg | it is a concept | 17:42 |
| etneg | if somoene picks up the concept and wishes to color it, i redraw most of it so they get a better idea | 17:43 |
| etneg | as far as precision goes, i dont think i cared about it for a concept sketch | 17:43 |
| etneg | thorwil: http://i52.tinypic.com/t62vzl.jpg | 17:44 |
| etneg | what about that? | 17:44 |
| thorwil | i think you can drop the E boxes, as i'm pretty sure something very much like that has been done already | 17:44 |
| etneg | is that decent linework to color? | 17:44 |
| etneg | i did more than E boxes | 17:45 |
| etneg | and the E boxes are better seen if colored | 17:45 |
| etneg | from a pencil point of view, you cant tell what it is going to be but ok | 17:45 |
| etneg | so the E boxes are done a lot vs http://ubuntuone.com/p/148u/ | 17:46 |
| etneg | that? | 17:46 |
| etneg | the oxygen atom idea hasnt been done but thats ok by you? | 17:46 |
| etneg | leave all that | 17:47 |
| etneg | just to get an idea about the precision you're talking about in linework | 17:47 |
| etneg | http://i52.tinypic.com/t62vzl.jpg would you color that? | 17:47 |
| thorwil | the atom idea is less likely to end up being a trademark infringement | 17:47 |
| etneg | lol | 17:47 |
| etneg | trademark infringement is not a concern. i think anyone can evade that | 17:47 |
| etneg | the point you were making was to have a d esign that was not done a lot | 17:48 |
| etneg | and the oxygen atom idea is no different to a bunch of E boxes | 17:48 |
| thorwil | the last time i colored someone else's lines was in secondary school. | 17:48 |
| etneg | thats nice | 17:48 |
| etneg | but is the linework good enough there do digitallly paint it? | 17:48 |
| etneg | s/do/to/ | 17:48 |
| thorwil | that depends on the feel you want to end up with | 17:49 |
| etneg | well is the linework good enough? | 17:49 |
| etneg | thats all i'd ;like to know | 17:50 |
| etneg | i mean that sketch goes straight for digital coloring, nothing more is done on it, is it clear enough or not clear enough for one to digitally paint it? | 17:50 |
| coz_ | etneg, looking at the one image with the rounded lower case "e" and people on it with clouds around,, the elements are there,,, they would have to be redone in inkscape,,, a tracing of that image wouldnt do it justice, however,, it is going to take on the feel of the person recreatin git | 17:51 |
| coz_ | recreating it | 17:51 |
| etneg | coz_: i liked that one too but i dunno | 17:51 |
| etneg | simple and to the point is what i thought | 17:51 |
| etneg | not too many elements either | 17:51 |
| etneg | the E i wanted it like cable wire, that sort of a texture | 17:52 |
| etneg | but are you interested in coloring that? | 17:52 |
| coz_ | etneg, it would take more than colouring it,, it has to be essentially recreated in one of the applications | 17:53 |
| troy_s | David Airey it is not. | 17:53 |
| etneg | yes it has to be imported | 17:54 |
| coz_ | etneg, more than imported ,, well. at least on inkscape it would have to be re created in vector | 17:54 |
| etneg | but if you need more clarity or something in the drawing i could redraw it | 17:54 |
| coz_ | etneg, i suppost it could be brought into gimp and carefully coloured ,, | 17:54 |
| coz_ | I havent used gimp in months | 17:54 |
| etneg | ah ok | 17:55 |
| coz_ | etneg, you mentioned you have had people colour your work before,,, have you asked them again ...yes? | 17:55 |
| etneg | well they wont do it for ubuntu | 17:56 |
| etneg | heh | 17:56 |
| etneg | same way ubuntu folks wont do it for them | 17:56 |
| etneg | time factor | 17:56 |
| etneg | soo | 17:56 |
| etneg | either way i think im done | 17:57 |
| etneg | they're gonna go with the oxygen atom idea | 17:57 |
| etneg | nobody to color mine so | 17:57 |
| * etneg moves on | 17:57 | |
| etneg | thanks anyhow coz_ | 17:57 |
| coz_ | etneg, oh i see | 17:57 |
| coz_ | etneg, I am not particular keen on that oxygen atom concept | 17:58 |
| etneg | it's kinda sad though they have no options | 17:58 |
| etneg | the oxygen atom idea is sooooooooooo cliche | 17:58 |
| etneg | ye | 17:58 |
| etneg | i theink they just want a quick logo and dont wish to drag it anymore | 17:58 |
| coz_ | etneg, that's just lazy then | 17:59 |
| etneg | so i told them quits and left it at that, and the lead guy for ensemble kim0 is ok with the oxygen idea | 17:59 |
| etneg | so i guess whatever works for them | 17:59 |
| coz_ | etneg, I downloaded those images,, I may play with them,, if it works out I will let you know if you are in t his channel | 18:00 |
| etneg | sure i'm idling here these days | 18:00 |
| etneg | if you can do it today , would help or latest by tommorrow | 18:02 |
| etneg | i think any later and it would be pointless | 18:02 |
| etneg | just told kim0 you might take a look into it | 18:02 |
| etneg | and if i dont update by tommorrow to go ahead with the oxygen idea | 18:02 |
| coz_ | etneg, well .. it would take longer than that ... I would have to work through a few ideas,,, test them ,, render them,, etc | 18:13 |
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| coz_ | etneg, its likely I cant do this in time,, I am in the middle of creating 3d animated models for compiz right now | 18:18 |
| thorwil | doctormo: regarding http://doctormo.org/2011/07/13/i-had-the-idea-of-using-javascript-instead/ , shouldn't the first question be if either js or python is better suited for this particular job? | 18:48 |
| thorwil | while a lot of people might *know* some js for web stuff, in many cases the knowledge will be limited to some simple jquery stuff, i guess | 18:49 |
| thorwil | in general, it seems whyt js has to offer over python is noisy syntax :) | 18:50 |
| Ronnie1 | i agree with thorwil that writing good javascript may be more difficult than good pyton. But the project can catch more interest is programmers can start in js | 18:51 |
| etneg | cozziemoto: | 19:36 |
| etneg | ok | 19:36 |
| etneg | np | 19:36 |
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