[16:49] <troy_s> Wow.
[16:49] <troy_s> The Ubuntu Art mailing list is a train wreck I cannot turn away from.
[16:50] <troy_s> It is perhaps the most dark, macabre, and fascinating display of group dynamics and culture I have ever had the pleasure of seeing.
[16:50] <troy_s> Really fantastic stuff. Perhaps not in the manner desired, but absolutely fascinating nonetheless.
[16:51] <troy_s> vish: I found your commentary regarding the icon set very on point. Hobgoblin's consistency.
[16:52] <etneg> antone awake
[17:03] <troy_s> etneg: Antone perhaps not, but anyone yes.
[17:06] <etneg> i wsa hoping someone could digitally color a few logos for me
[17:06] <etneg> its for ubuntu ensemble
[17:10] <etneg> some guy offered to help me here before i f it had to do with ubuntu stuff
[17:10] <etneg> but he's gone missing:/
[17:20] <troy_s> etneg: "Some guy" is your first mistake. Figure out whom.
[17:20] <troy_s> etneg: That's where I'd start.
[17:20] <etneg> he was around but was unresponsive then
[17:20] <etneg> oh well
[17:20] <troy_s> etneg: If it is a project that requires art and design elements
[17:20] <troy_s> etneg: The best thing you can do is to not treat it as an after-the-fact component of the project.
[17:21] <troy_s> etneg: And try to get someone to become a participant. A sort of sabdfl of the art and design elements.
[17:21] <troy_s> etneg: That minor step can have a tremendous impact on a project.
[17:22] <etneg> man i have it on the bugs report list
[17:22] <etneg> and so on
[17:22] <etneg> nobody to color it yet
[17:22] <troy_s> etneg: It isn't about color.
[17:22] <troy_s> etneg: Trust me on this.
[17:23] <etneg> what are you talking about then
[17:23] <troy_s> etneg: Chances are if your project doesn't have an abddfl (appointed benign design dictator for life) you are already soaking in a mess.
[17:23] <troy_s> etneg: If you have _anything_ that faces outward and toward an audience and you _do not_ have someone that cares about art and design around, you are already sunk.
[17:24] <etneg> wtf
[17:24] <etneg> are you trolling me?
[17:24] <troy_s> etneg: Yes I'm trolling you. Ciao. *sigh*
[17:25] <etneg> sigh
[17:25] <troy_s> etneg: May I ask what the project is and see where you require something to be colored?
[17:25] <etneg> ensemble
[17:25] <etneg> i did a few logos for them but havent received anyone to color it
[17:25] <troy_s> etneg: Sorry don't speak the code.
[17:26] <troy_s> etneg: No clue what ensemble is.
[17:26] <etneg>  https://launchpad.net/bugs/807100
[17:26] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 807100 in ubuntu-branding "Develop Ensemble logo (ensemble.ubuntu.com)" [Undecided,In progress]
[17:26] <etneg> oops
[17:26] <etneg> well yeah
[17:26] <etneg> that should do it
[17:26] <etneg> it'll give you an idea
[17:27] <troy_s> etneg: Does ensemble have an art / design lead?
[17:28] <etneg> wait are you trying to help me
[17:28] <etneg> with coloring it
[17:28] <troy_s> etneg: Wait yes.
[17:28] <etneg> oh ok
[17:28] <etneg> they dont have a design team lead for ensemble
[17:28] <etneg> they just wanted a logo and i offered my services
[17:29] <troy_s> etneg: And where are the links to your work?
[17:29] <etneg> i just posted the link to you
[17:29] <etneg> in te bugs list
[17:29] <troy_s> etneg: So those are _your_ sketches?
[17:29] <etneg> the first post you can see  afew i did
[17:29] <etneg> yes
[17:29] <etneg> except   http://ubuntuone.com/p/13yI/ i didnt do that
[17:30] <etneg> and in the bottom i posted another
[17:30] <etneg> Abi R is me
[17:30] <etneg> sladen posted some of my sketches there
[17:31] <troy_s> etneg: So you are capable with the pastel, but you are having issues with getting an SVG or something colored?
[17:31] <troy_s> etneg: Because if it is your work, I'd encourage you to perhaps color it yourself. You are likely the only one that will give it the attention you desire.
[17:31] <etneg> digital painting is what i have issues with
[17:32] <etneg> i dont hve a  tablet or anything
[17:32] <etneg> so out of luck
[17:32] <etneg> the coloring i did for those are just samples
[17:32] <etneg> its not suposed to colored like that
[17:32] <troy_s> etneg: Hmm. Have you tried leveraging tracing until you get a tablet?
[17:32] <etneg> but if someone takes up the coloring initiative i can guide them about the palette
[17:32] <troy_s> etneg: Solid line work, scanned, and traced, can often get you to where you need.
[17:33] <etneg> there's ways to learn it but i dont think i ever will
[17:33] <etneg> no intention of doing digital painting
[17:33] <troy_s> etneg: Then I fear you are probably going to be met with similar success.
[17:34] <etneg> i thought you offered to color it?
[17:34] <coz_> etneg,  i agree,, you need to put your mind to at least inkscape for vector graphics
[17:34] <troy_s> etneg: No. I offered to try and see if there was a means to resolve the issue.
[17:34] <coz_> troy_s,  hey guy
[17:34] <troy_s> coz_: Greets cozziemoto
[17:34] <troy_s> ERKG
[17:34] <troy_s> Is cozziemoto you too coz_?
[17:34] <etneg> but you havent really tried to resolve it
[17:34] <coz_> troy_s,  yeah that's my other machine for scrollback :)
[17:34] <etneg> nothing is resolved in art by talking
[17:35] <etneg> that works best in mphilosophy
[17:35] <etneg> :D
[17:35] <etneg> hey coz_
[17:35] <troy_s> etneg: Thanks for your illumination.
[17:35] <troy_s> etneg: But in plain terms
[17:35] <etneg> coz_: the guy who did tohse skethces?
[17:35] <troy_s> etneg: You are unlikely to find someone that is capable _and_ willing to color in someone else's work.
[17:35] <etneg> troy_s: you're generalizing way too much here
[17:35] <troy_s> etneg: Sure I am.
[17:35] <etneg> open source is community driven
[17:35] <coz_> etneg,  tohse sketches?   not sure  , several people are using my work for different things,, do you have a link?
[17:36] <etneg> and thre are people who do color MY work
[17:36] <troy_s> etneg: Example?
[17:36] <etneg> just not on tihs occasion because they dont work for ubuntu and work for other distributions
[17:36] <troy_s> etneg: Right. Sample?
[17:36] <coz_> etneg, oh the figure sketches ,, yes
[17:36] <etneg> no sample now
[17:36] <etneg> sorry
[17:36] <etneg> coz_: ye
[17:36] <troy_s> etneg: Indeed.
[17:36] <etneg> coz_: you any good with coloring?
[17:36] <troy_s> LOL
[17:36] <etneg> coz_: i did some rough concepts for ensemble
[17:36] <etneg> troy_s: indeed what?
[17:37] <troy_s> etneg: It was a case in point that eluded you.
[17:37] <coz_> etneg,  well  I can be,, however  may I ask why you dont want to look into inkscape?
[17:37] <etneg> you hyavent made any case at all
[17:37] <etneg> coz_: lack of time and fear of moving away from pencil to digital painting
[17:37] <etneg> coz_: i need to get those colored asap, they have just one design thats digitized by one of the server lead members there
[17:37] <coz_> etneg,  let go of the fear,,, inkscape can be quite remarkable once you get used to the "vocaulary"  of the tools
[17:38] <etneg> and have no more options, mine re still in pencil
[17:38] <etneg> so
[17:38] <coz_> etneg,  let me see the link again
[17:38] <etneg> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-branding/+bug/807100
[17:38] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 807100 in ubuntu-branding "Develop Ensemble logo (ensemble.ubuntu.com)" [Undecided,In progress]
[17:38] <etneg> sladen posted some of my links on the first post
[17:38] <coz_> etneg,  5 images?
[17:38] <etneg> and at the bottom i 3 new ones
[17:38] <etneg> na na
[17:38] <etneg> you dont have to do all 5
[17:38] <etneg> we just need to do atlast 2 images
[17:39] <etneg> so they have more options on the table
[17:39] <etneg> right now their only option is to go with http://ubuntuone.com/p/148u/
[17:39] <thorwil> those sketches need more than just coloring
[17:39] <etneg> but since mine arent  colored, i tihnk they'd just go with the oxygen atom idea
[17:40] <etneg> thorwil: what more?
[17:40] <etneg> well it needs to be digitally painted of course
[17:40] <thorwil> no point in doing it, before you have precise and clean lines
[17:40] <etneg> and why cant that be achieved on inkscape
[17:40] <etneg> you can get all the cleanlines right there using the sketch as a reference
[17:40] <thorwil> it's easier to do on paper
[17:40] <etneg> run over it!
[17:41] <etneg> what precise clean line are you referring to though
[17:41] <etneg> if you're interested in coloring one of them, tell me and i can redraw it
[17:42] <thorwil> tracing is not enough. those are fine sketches, but rough.
[17:42] <etneg> yes it was just for a concept
[17:42] <etneg> but if you're interested in coloring one of them, tell me
[17:42] <etneg> so i can draw it out more clearly
[17:42] <thorwil> etneg: i have no time to do work on other people's art. but in any case, the linework is not in the shape it should be in
[17:42] <etneg> heh
[17:42] <etneg> it is a concept
[17:43] <etneg> if somoene picks up the concept and wishes to color it, i redraw most of it so they get a better idea
[17:43] <etneg> as far as precision goes, i dont think i cared about it for a concept sketch
[17:44] <etneg> thorwil: http://i52.tinypic.com/t62vzl.jpg
[17:44] <etneg> what about that?
[17:44] <thorwil> i think you can drop the E boxes, as i'm pretty sure something very much like that has been done already
[17:44] <etneg> is that decent linework to color?
[17:45] <etneg> i did more than E boxes
[17:45] <etneg> and the E boxes are better seen if colored
[17:45] <etneg> from a pencil point of view, you cant tell what it is going to be but ok
[17:46] <etneg> so the E boxes are done a lot vs http://ubuntuone.com/p/148u/
[17:46] <etneg> that?
[17:46] <etneg> the oxygen atom idea hasnt been done but thats ok by you?
[17:47] <etneg> leave all that
[17:47] <etneg> just to get an idea about the precision you're talking about in linework
[17:47] <etneg> http://i52.tinypic.com/t62vzl.jpg would you color that?
[17:47] <thorwil> the atom idea is less likely to end up being a trademark infringement
[17:47] <etneg> lol
[17:47] <etneg> trademark infringement is not a concern. i think anyone can evade that
[17:48] <etneg> the point you were making was to have a d esign that was not done a lot
[17:48] <etneg> and the oxygen atom idea is no different to a bunch of E boxes
[17:48] <thorwil> the last time i colored someone else's lines was in secondary school.
[17:48] <etneg> thats nice
[17:48] <etneg> but is the linework good enough there do digitallly paint it?
[17:48] <etneg> s/do/to/
[17:49] <thorwil> that depends on the feel you want to end up with
[17:49] <etneg> well is the linework good enough?
[17:50] <etneg> thats all i'd ;like to know
[17:50] <etneg> i mean that sketch goes straight for digital coloring, nothing more is done on it, is it clear enough or not clear enough for one to digitally paint it?
[17:51] <coz_> etneg, looking at the one image with the rounded lower case "e"  and people on it with clouds around,, the elements are there,,, they would have to be redone in inkscape,,, a tracing of that image wouldnt do it justice, however,, it is going to take on the feel of the person recreatin git
[17:51] <coz_> recreating it
[17:51] <etneg> coz_: i liked that one too but i dunno
[17:51] <etneg> simple and to the point is what i thought
[17:51] <etneg> not too many elements either
[17:52] <etneg> the E i wanted it like cable wire, that sort of a texture
[17:52] <etneg> but are you interested in coloring that?
[17:53] <coz_> etneg,  it would take more than colouring it,, it has to be essentially recreated in one of the applications
[17:53] <troy_s> David Airey it is not.
[17:54] <etneg> yes it has to be imported
[17:54] <coz_> etneg,  more than imported ,, well. at least on inkscape it would have to be re created in vector
[17:54] <etneg> but if you need more clarity or something in the drawing i could redraw it
[17:54] <coz_> etneg,  i suppost it could be brought into gimp and carefully coloured ,,
[17:54] <coz_> I havent used gimp in months
[17:55] <etneg> ah ok
[17:55] <coz_> etneg,  you mentioned you have had people colour your work before,,, have you asked them again ...yes?
[17:56] <etneg> well they wont do it for ubuntu
[17:56] <etneg> heh
[17:56] <etneg> same way ubuntu folks wont do it for them
[17:56] <etneg> time factor
[17:56] <etneg> soo
[17:57] <etneg> either way  i think im done
[17:57] <etneg> they're gonna go with the oxygen atom idea
[17:57] <etneg> nobody to color mine so
[17:57]  * etneg moves on
[17:57] <etneg> thanks anyhow coz_
[17:57] <coz_> etneg,  oh i see
[17:58] <coz_> etneg,  I am not particular keen on that oxygen atom concept
[17:58] <etneg> it's kinda sad though they have no options
[17:58] <etneg> the oxygen atom idea is sooooooooooo cliche
[17:58] <etneg> ye
[17:58] <etneg> i theink they just want a quick logo and dont wish to drag it anymore
[17:59] <coz_> etneg,  that's just lazy then
[17:59] <etneg> so i told them quits and left it at that, and the lead guy for ensemble kim0 is ok with the oxygen idea
[17:59] <etneg> so i guess whatever works for them
[18:00] <coz_> etneg,  I downloaded those images,, I may play with them,, if it works out I will let you know if you are in t his channel
[18:00] <etneg> sure i'm idling here these days
[18:02] <etneg> if you can do it today , would help or latest by tommorrow
[18:02] <etneg> i think any later and it would be pointless
[18:02] <etneg> just told kim0 you might take a look into it
[18:02] <etneg> and if i dont update by tommorrow to go ahead with the oxygen idea
[18:13] <coz_> etneg,  well .. it would take longer than that ... I would have to work through a few ideas,,, test them ,, render them,, etc
[18:18] <coz_> etneg,  its likely I cant do this in time,, I am in the middle of creating 3d animated models for compiz right now
[18:48] <thorwil> doctormo: regarding http://doctormo.org/2011/07/13/i-had-the-idea-of-using-javascript-instead/ , shouldn't the first question be if either js or python is better suited for this particular job?
[18:49] <thorwil> while a lot of people might *know* some js for web stuff, in many cases the knowledge will be limited to some simple jquery stuff, i guess
[18:50] <thorwil> in general, it seems whyt js has to offer over python is noisy syntax :)
[18:51] <Ronnie1> i agree with thorwil that writing good javascript may be more difficult than good pyton. But the project can catch more interest is programmers can start in js
[19:36] <etneg> cozziemoto:
[19:36] <etneg> ok
[19:36] <etneg> np