=== chaotic_ is now known as chaotic === daker_ is now known as daker === vish changed the topic of #ubuntu-artwork to: Channel for Community Artwork Team: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork | Ubuntu Brand Identity Guidelines are available at: http://design.canonical.com/the-toolkit/ubuntu-brand-guidelines/ | Contests for Oneiric cycle OPEN » http://design.canonical.com/2011/07/get-excited-and-make-things-wallpaper-edition/ === vish changed the topic of #ubuntu-artwork to: Channel for Community Artwork Team: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork | Ubuntu Brand Identity Guidelines are available at: http://design.canonical.com/the-toolkit/ubuntu-brand-guidelines/ | Ubuntu Orange is #dd4814/ | Contests for Oneiric cycle OPEN » http://design.canonical.com/2011/07/get-excited-and-make-things-wallpaper-edition/ [16:49] Wow. [16:49] The Ubuntu Art mailing list is a train wreck I cannot turn away from. [16:50] It is perhaps the most dark, macabre, and fascinating display of group dynamics and culture I have ever had the pleasure of seeing. [16:50] Really fantastic stuff. Perhaps not in the manner desired, but absolutely fascinating nonetheless. [16:51] vish: I found your commentary regarding the icon set very on point. Hobgoblin's consistency. [16:52] antone awake [17:03] etneg: Antone perhaps not, but anyone yes. [17:06] i wsa hoping someone could digitally color a few logos for me [17:06] its for ubuntu ensemble [17:10] some guy offered to help me here before i f it had to do with ubuntu stuff [17:10] but he's gone missing:/ [17:20] etneg: "Some guy" is your first mistake. Figure out whom. [17:20] etneg: That's where I'd start. [17:20] he was around but was unresponsive then [17:20] oh well [17:20] etneg: If it is a project that requires art and design elements [17:20] etneg: The best thing you can do is to not treat it as an after-the-fact component of the project. [17:21] etneg: And try to get someone to become a participant. A sort of sabdfl of the art and design elements. [17:21] etneg: That minor step can have a tremendous impact on a project. [17:22] man i have it on the bugs report list [17:22] and so on [17:22] nobody to color it yet [17:22] etneg: It isn't about color. [17:22] etneg: Trust me on this. [17:23] what are you talking about then [17:23] etneg: Chances are if your project doesn't have an abddfl (appointed benign design dictator for life) you are already soaking in a mess. [17:23] etneg: If you have _anything_ that faces outward and toward an audience and you _do not_ have someone that cares about art and design around, you are already sunk. [17:24] wtf [17:24] are you trolling me? [17:24] etneg: Yes I'm trolling you. Ciao. *sigh* [17:25] sigh [17:25] etneg: May I ask what the project is and see where you require something to be colored? [17:25] ensemble [17:25] i did a few logos for them but havent received anyone to color it [17:25] etneg: Sorry don't speak the code. [17:26] etneg: No clue what ensemble is. [17:26] https://launchpad.net/bugs/807100 [17:26] Ubuntu bug 807100 in ubuntu-branding "Develop Ensemble logo (ensemble.ubuntu.com)" [Undecided,In progress] [17:26] oops [17:26] well yeah [17:26] that should do it [17:26] it'll give you an idea [17:27] etneg: Does ensemble have an art / design lead? [17:28] wait are you trying to help me [17:28] with coloring it [17:28] etneg: Wait yes. [17:28] oh ok [17:28] they dont have a design team lead for ensemble [17:28] they just wanted a logo and i offered my services [17:29] etneg: And where are the links to your work? [17:29] i just posted the link to you [17:29] in te bugs list [17:29] etneg: So those are _your_ sketches? [17:29] the first post you can see afew i did [17:29] yes [17:29] except http://ubuntuone.com/p/13yI/ i didnt do that [17:30] and in the bottom i posted another [17:30] Abi R is me [17:30] sladen posted some of my sketches there [17:31] etneg: So you are capable with the pastel, but you are having issues with getting an SVG or something colored? [17:31] etneg: Because if it is your work, I'd encourage you to perhaps color it yourself. You are likely the only one that will give it the attention you desire. [17:31] digital painting is what i have issues with [17:32] i dont hve a tablet or anything [17:32] so out of luck [17:32] the coloring i did for those are just samples [17:32] its not suposed to colored like that [17:32] etneg: Hmm. Have you tried leveraging tracing until you get a tablet? [17:32] but if someone takes up the coloring initiative i can guide them about the palette [17:32] etneg: Solid line work, scanned, and traced, can often get you to where you need. [17:33] there's ways to learn it but i dont think i ever will [17:33] no intention of doing digital painting [17:33] etneg: Then I fear you are probably going to be met with similar success. [17:34] i thought you offered to color it? [17:34] etneg, i agree,, you need to put your mind to at least inkscape for vector graphics [17:34] etneg: No. I offered to try and see if there was a means to resolve the issue. [17:34] troy_s, hey guy [17:34] coz_: Greets cozziemoto [17:34] ERKG [17:34] Is cozziemoto you too coz_? [17:34] but you havent really tried to resolve it [17:34] troy_s, yeah that's my other machine for scrollback :) [17:34] nothing is resolved in art by talking [17:35] that works best in mphilosophy [17:35] :D [17:35] hey coz_ [17:35] etneg: Thanks for your illumination. [17:35] etneg: But in plain terms [17:35] coz_: the guy who did tohse skethces? [17:35] etneg: You are unlikely to find someone that is capable _and_ willing to color in someone else's work. [17:35] troy_s: you're generalizing way too much here [17:35] etneg: Sure I am. [17:35] open source is community driven [17:35] etneg, tohse sketches? not sure , several people are using my work for different things,, do you have a link? [17:36] and thre are people who do color MY work [17:36] etneg: Example? [17:36] just not on tihs occasion because they dont work for ubuntu and work for other distributions [17:36] etneg: Right. Sample? [17:36] etneg, oh the figure sketches ,, yes [17:36] no sample now [17:36] sorry [17:36] coz_: ye [17:36] etneg: Indeed. [17:36] coz_: you any good with coloring? [17:36] LOL [17:36] coz_: i did some rough concepts for ensemble [17:36] troy_s: indeed what? [17:37] etneg: It was a case in point that eluded you. [17:37] etneg, well I can be,, however may I ask why you dont want to look into inkscape? [17:37] you hyavent made any case at all [17:37] coz_: lack of time and fear of moving away from pencil to digital painting [17:37] coz_: i need to get those colored asap, they have just one design thats digitized by one of the server lead members there [17:37] etneg, let go of the fear,,, inkscape can be quite remarkable once you get used to the "vocaulary" of the tools [17:38] and have no more options, mine re still in pencil [17:38] so [17:38] etneg, let me see the link again [17:38] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-branding/+bug/807100 [17:38] Ubuntu bug 807100 in ubuntu-branding "Develop Ensemble logo (ensemble.ubuntu.com)" [Undecided,In progress] [17:38] sladen posted some of my links on the first post [17:38] etneg, 5 images? [17:38] and at the bottom i 3 new ones [17:38] na na [17:38] you dont have to do all 5 [17:38] we just need to do atlast 2 images [17:39] so they have more options on the table [17:39] right now their only option is to go with http://ubuntuone.com/p/148u/ [17:39] those sketches need more than just coloring [17:39] but since mine arent colored, i tihnk they'd just go with the oxygen atom idea [17:40] thorwil: what more? [17:40] well it needs to be digitally painted of course [17:40] no point in doing it, before you have precise and clean lines [17:40] and why cant that be achieved on inkscape [17:40] you can get all the cleanlines right there using the sketch as a reference [17:40] it's easier to do on paper [17:40] run over it! [17:41] what precise clean line are you referring to though [17:41] if you're interested in coloring one of them, tell me and i can redraw it [17:42] tracing is not enough. those are fine sketches, but rough. [17:42] yes it was just for a concept [17:42] but if you're interested in coloring one of them, tell me [17:42] so i can draw it out more clearly [17:42] etneg: i have no time to do work on other people's art. but in any case, the linework is not in the shape it should be in [17:42] heh [17:42] it is a concept [17:43] if somoene picks up the concept and wishes to color it, i redraw most of it so they get a better idea [17:43] as far as precision goes, i dont think i cared about it for a concept sketch [17:44] thorwil: http://i52.tinypic.com/t62vzl.jpg [17:44] what about that? [17:44] i think you can drop the E boxes, as i'm pretty sure something very much like that has been done already [17:44] is that decent linework to color? [17:45] i did more than E boxes [17:45] and the E boxes are better seen if colored [17:45] from a pencil point of view, you cant tell what it is going to be but ok [17:46] so the E boxes are done a lot vs http://ubuntuone.com/p/148u/ [17:46] that? [17:46] the oxygen atom idea hasnt been done but thats ok by you? [17:47] leave all that [17:47] just to get an idea about the precision you're talking about in linework [17:47] http://i52.tinypic.com/t62vzl.jpg would you color that? [17:47] the atom idea is less likely to end up being a trademark infringement [17:47] lol [17:47] trademark infringement is not a concern. i think anyone can evade that [17:48] the point you were making was to have a d esign that was not done a lot [17:48] and the oxygen atom idea is no different to a bunch of E boxes [17:48] the last time i colored someone else's lines was in secondary school. [17:48] thats nice [17:48] but is the linework good enough there do digitallly paint it? [17:48] s/do/to/ [17:49] that depends on the feel you want to end up with [17:49] well is the linework good enough? [17:50] thats all i'd ;like to know [17:50] i mean that sketch goes straight for digital coloring, nothing more is done on it, is it clear enough or not clear enough for one to digitally paint it? [17:51] etneg, looking at the one image with the rounded lower case "e" and people on it with clouds around,, the elements are there,,, they would have to be redone in inkscape,,, a tracing of that image wouldnt do it justice, however,, it is going to take on the feel of the person recreatin git [17:51] recreating it [17:51] coz_: i liked that one too but i dunno [17:51] simple and to the point is what i thought [17:51] not too many elements either [17:52] the E i wanted it like cable wire, that sort of a texture [17:52] but are you interested in coloring that? [17:53] etneg, it would take more than colouring it,, it has to be essentially recreated in one of the applications [17:53] David Airey it is not. [17:54] yes it has to be imported [17:54] etneg, more than imported ,, well. at least on inkscape it would have to be re created in vector [17:54] but if you need more clarity or something in the drawing i could redraw it [17:54] etneg, i suppost it could be brought into gimp and carefully coloured ,, [17:54] I havent used gimp in months [17:55] ah ok [17:55] etneg, you mentioned you have had people colour your work before,,, have you asked them again ...yes? [17:56] well they wont do it for ubuntu [17:56] heh [17:56] same way ubuntu folks wont do it for them [17:56] time factor [17:56] soo [17:57] either way i think im done [17:57] they're gonna go with the oxygen atom idea [17:57] nobody to color mine so [17:57] * etneg moves on [17:57] thanks anyhow coz_ [17:57] etneg, oh i see [17:58] etneg, I am not particular keen on that oxygen atom concept [17:58] it's kinda sad though they have no options [17:58] the oxygen atom idea is sooooooooooo cliche [17:58] ye [17:58] i theink they just want a quick logo and dont wish to drag it anymore [17:59] etneg, that's just lazy then [17:59] so i told them quits and left it at that, and the lead guy for ensemble kim0 is ok with the oxygen idea [17:59] so i guess whatever works for them [18:00] etneg, I downloaded those images,, I may play with them,, if it works out I will let you know if you are in t his channel [18:00] sure i'm idling here these days [18:02] if you can do it today , would help or latest by tommorrow [18:02] i think any later and it would be pointless [18:02] just told kim0 you might take a look into it [18:02] and if i dont update by tommorrow to go ahead with the oxygen idea [18:13] etneg, well .. it would take longer than that ... I would have to work through a few ideas,,, test them ,, render them,, etc === daker is now known as daker_ [18:18] etneg, its likely I cant do this in time,, I am in the middle of creating 3d animated models for compiz right now [18:48] doctormo: regarding http://doctormo.org/2011/07/13/i-had-the-idea-of-using-javascript-instead/ , shouldn't the first question be if either js or python is better suited for this particular job? [18:49] while a lot of people might *know* some js for web stuff, in many cases the knowledge will be limited to some simple jquery stuff, i guess [18:50] in general, it seems whyt js has to offer over python is noisy syntax :) [18:51] i agree with thorwil that writing good javascript may be more difficult than good pyton. But the project can catch more interest is programmers can start in js [19:36] cozziemoto: [19:36] ok [19:36] np