[00:01] <Guest6749> Anybody: debug XML?
[02:32] <thewrath> hey all
[02:33] <thewrath>  /join #pctacm
[04:46] <philipballew> is there a way to stop the ability to loggin to a root shell when i reboot. it seems like a security hole
[04:49] <bioterror> you mean single user
[04:49] <bioterror> that RECOVERY
[04:49] <bioterror> remove it from grub
[04:49] <bioterror> but how does that differ from insert usb or cd with ubuntu or any linux
[04:49] <bioterror> and mounting your drives :D
[04:50] <philipballew> yeah. recovery from grub. it seemes to me that if someone can turn on my desktop and with no passwords be at a root prompt.
[04:50] <M0hi> philipballew: you can edit the GRUB
[04:50] <philipballew> im not sure hows its different
[04:50] <M0hi>  /boot/grub/grub.cfg
[04:51] <bioterror> if someone gets inside your house, then he can use any media
[04:51] <M0hi> philipballew: the only secured way to protect your machine is to set a BIOS passowrd
[04:51] <bioterror> it really just doesnt matter at that point
[04:51] <M0hi> thought it can be broke by CMOS removal for some 5 minutes
[04:51] <philipballew> i should do that. but someone can still open a root shell?
[04:52] <M0hi> philipballew: BIOS password wont even let you load the hardware
[04:52] <M0hi> thats the only option or edit the options in /boot/grub/grub.cfg manually
[04:52] <philipballew> how so M0hi
[04:52] <philipballew> i can just have grub not show
[04:54] <M0hi> you can manually remove the entry of the recovery mode in grub
[04:54] <M0hi> philipballew: ^
[04:54] <philipballew> M0hi, makes sense
[04:54] <M0hi> but if you want a secured machine, go for BIOS password
[04:55] <bioterror> if you want secure computer, remove keyboard :D
[04:55] <bioterror> take it with you when you leave your home
[04:55] <M0hi> LOL
[04:55] <bioterror> have you seen anyone carrying keyboard with him
[04:55] <bioterror> I have not!
[04:56] <M0hi> bioterror: enough plays :P
[04:56] <M0hi> philipballew: go for a BIOS password and that will be my suggestion
[04:57] <philipballew> M0hi, alright. seemes easy
[04:58] <M0hi> =]
[08:48] <tester> anyone up?
[09:27] <coalwater> hi tester
[09:33] <tester> hi coalwater  you know any thing about rematersys ?
[09:34] <coalwater> not really, what's that
[09:35] <tester> remastersys make a iso of your system
[09:35] <tester> and makes it into a live cd/dvd
[09:36] <tester> Remastersys is a tool that can be used to do 2 things with an existing Debian,  Ubuntu or derivative installation.
[09:36] <tester> It can make a full system backup including personal data to a live cd or dvd that you can use anywhere and install.1 It can make a distributable copy you can share with friends. 2 This will not have any of your personal user data in it.
[14:49] <coalwater> how can i check what process has the dpkg lock ?
[14:50] <holstein> good question
[14:50] <bioterror> who locks the dpkg!
[14:50] <bioterror> probably update notifier or something else
[14:50] <Abhijit> coalwater, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1414092
[14:51] <coalwater> does update notified gain lock by it self? it would be strange if it does
[14:54] <coalwater> Abhijit, it's stuck lol, does it take a bit to generate the list ?
[14:54] <Abhijit> no idea
[14:54] <Abhijit> i just found it marked SOLVED
[14:54] <coalwater> lsof: WARNING: can't stat() fuse.gvfs-fuse-daemon file system /home/coalwater/.gvfs      Output information may be incomplete
[14:54] <coalwater> is this fine ?
[14:54] <bioterror> sure
[14:54] <bioterror> :D
[14:54] <coalwater> lol
[14:55] <coalwater> yea it finished
[14:55] <coalwater> update-manager
[14:55] <bioterror> is your dpkg unlocked now?
[14:55] <coalwater> should i just killall ? or is there another way
[14:55] <bioterror> hmmm
[14:55] <coalwater> ps: im on ssh, no gui
[14:56] <holstein> sudo reboot ;)
[14:56] <coalwater> lol
[14:57] <coalwater> ok, its unlocked now, apt-get works
[14:58] <bioterror> yeah, those automated updates sometimes locks it
[14:58] <coalwater> strange
[14:58] <bioterror> no it is not
[14:58] <coalwater> shouldn't it lock only when i give it password to upgrade
[14:58] <bioterror> they use apt-get to check if there's anything to update
[14:59] <holstein> you can set up auto updating
[14:59] <coalwater> i just mean it should release the lock after the list update and then re lock when actually asked to upgrade
[15:00] <holstein> is it over in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/50unattended-upgrades still?
[15:01] <coalwater> i don't really know what that is :D
[15:01] <holstein> coalwater: in ubuntuserver, theres a promt at install for auto upgrading
[15:02] <coalwater> hm, it's not really a server, it's my home pc with dyndns and an ssh server
[15:02] <holstein> i set one install up like that, and ran into something like what you had going on, and now i dont
[15:40] <truflip> hii so i tried 'sudo apt-get install ndisgtk' per ndiswrapper instruction.
[15:40] <truflip> but i'm getting an error about firmware-b43-installer any solution here?
[15:40] <holstein> truflip: you wont need both
[15:41] <truflip> uhh why.?
[15:41] <truflip> hey its u again. haha
[15:41] <holstein> with ndis, you literally use the windows driver
[15:41] <holstein> those other pacakges are for linux
[15:42] <holstein> if you have ndisgtk installed, you'll see 'windows wireless drivers' over in the system menu
[15:42] <holstein> you go and get the windows driver for your device from the install CD or web, and point ndis to it using the GUI
[15:42] <truflip> yea umm i'm using it right now so i odnt really see it
[15:42] <truflip> i'm using LAN
[15:43] <holstein> right.. you need to go and get the windows driver from wherever you choose
[15:45] <truflip> i cant dig you
[15:45] <holstein> truflip: whats up?
[15:45] <holstein> the driver you need is not associated in any way with ubuntu
[15:45] <truflip> i dont get what you're trying to say.
[15:46] <holstein> SO, you have to go and get it... the windows driver
[15:46] <truflip> so ok, i download it here right? but how do i install it if the installer is an .exe?
[15:46] <holstein> truflip: usually, the .exe will extract the driver
[15:47] <truflip> ok let me try that
[15:58] <truflip> oh good it saves as and executable
[15:59] <truflip> now when i double click it, it opens with archive manager
[16:02] <truflip> anyone breathing out there?
[16:23] <truflip> firmware-b43-installer ERRORR
[16:37] <truflip> hellooooo
[16:51] <truflip> heloo
[17:01] <truflip> helooanyone out there?
[17:01] <holstein> truflip: hey
[17:01]  * holstein went out for breakfast
[17:01] <holstein> whats up?
[17:02] <holstein> truflip: you might be able to uzip the .exe
[17:02] <holstein> you are looking for the driver for your device
[17:02] <holstein> it wont say 'driver'... it'll be something like ramdom_or_not_so_random_text.inf
[17:04] <truflip> ah ur back
[17:04] <truflip> np worried u got sick of me let me find it.
[17:04] <holstein> nah... just wanted eggs :)
[17:04] <yuler> I've both Compiz and Metacity installed (10.10 + updates, Nvidia 6200), noticed MC is more responsive.  Anything I can do to tweak Compiz?  If I ditch Compiz for Metacity, I have to figure out why some window overlays are not drawing completely.
[17:04] <holstein> open the .exe in the archive manager and see if you see the driver
[17:05] <holstein> i usually just unzip or extract, and ndisgtk will look in the directory and use what it can use
[17:05] <holstein> yuler: i would be looking at the graphics driver
[17:06] <holstein> if you are using the open one, try the proprietary, and viceversa
[17:08] <yuler> Using proprietary driver, don't know how to change to open driver
[17:08] <holstein> yuler: usually, thats the best case scenario... using the proprietary one
[17:08] <truflip> ok i extracted it.  now what do i  do exactly? i'm sorry
[17:08] <holstein> truflip: do you see a file.inf ?
[17:09] <holstein> truflip: actually, NM that, just open ndisgtk
[17:09] <holstein> you can find it in the system menu named 'windows wireless drivers'
[17:09] <holstein> OR, hit ALT+F2 and type ndisgtk and hit entery
[17:09] <holstein> enter*
[17:10] <truflip> root privelage something
[17:10] <truflip> i see the inf file btw.
[17:10] <truflip> just found it. weew
[17:14] <truflip> ah i found windows wireless!
[17:14] <holstein> truflip: i dont remember if i needed to restart or not
[17:15] <holstein> i have one card that i use ndiswrapper with
[17:15] <holstein> i think it just started working though
[17:15] <truflip> holstein, bcmwl6 wardware present: No
[17:16] <truflip> didnt ask for me to restart or anything
[17:16] <holstein> truflip: lol
[17:16] <holstein> it wont
[17:16] <holstein> this is a total hack
[17:16] <holstein> truflip: i would expect to see that message if i had the incorrect windows driver
[17:16] <holstein> i would double check that you have the proper driver
[17:17] <holstein> maybe try the one for XP if you DL'd the one for win7 or vista
[17:17] <truflip> ok
[17:17] <truflip> holstein, is there a way i could find out which driver i need to download?
[17:18] <truflip> cuz i used dell.com support earlier and i probably can only get vista version that way
[17:18] <holstein> truflip: in a perfect world, broadcom would release the information about that device, then, the driver would just be in the kernerl
[17:18] <holstein> kernel*
[17:18] <holstein> and you wouldnt need to do anything
[17:18] <holstein> broadcom has recently started doing that though AFAIK
[17:19] <holstein> truflip: i would literally just get some drivers, and try them
[17:19] <holstein> i would try getting them from broadcom instead of dell maybe
[17:19] <holstein> its pretty easy to load them up in ndis, and look for that message
[17:22] <truflip> holstein, do i have to configure network connection for wireless? maybe?
[17:23] <holstein> truflip: not prior to getting the device to load
[17:23] <holstein> truflip: you'll just need to fiddle around, and honestly, it might not work
[17:23] <holstein> truflip: what device is it again?
[17:24] <truflip> what device is what? the laptop or the wireless card?
[17:24] <holstein> NM
[17:24] <holstein> bcm4315
[17:24] <holstein> found it :)
[17:26] <holstein> truflip: im going to do some of the heavy lifting for you... i'll walk you through how i did it
[17:26] <holstein> assuming it works...
[17:27] <truflip> ok
[17:28] <holstein> truflip: try this http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1172535/temp/bcmwl6.inf
[17:28] <truflip> downloaded
[17:28] <holstein> you should *not* trust any random link someone drops in the IRC though.... so let me tell you where and why i have it
[17:28] <holstein> i found http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-wireless-networking-41/bcm4315-card-no-wlan0-device-no-wireless-extensions-621795/
[17:29] <holstein> suggested getting the driver from http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/softwareDownloadIndex?softwareitem=ob-60592-1&lc=en&dlc=en&cc=us&os=2093&product=3652828&sw_lang=
[17:29] <truflip> good enough. :D
[17:29]  * holstein appologizes for the long URL's
[17:30] <truflip> ok i just removed the old one i had.
[17:30] <truflip> then installed this one from you.
[17:30] <holstein> any joy?
[17:31] <truflip> Invalid Driver it says invalid driver
[17:31] <truflip> maybe i should uninstall then reboot?
[17:31] <holstein> yeah... it doesnt have to work
[17:31] <holstein> nah...
[17:31] <truflip> okie
[17:31] <holstein> i would just poke around a bit more, and try some other drivers
[17:31] <truflip> i found something. i'll see if it'll work?
[17:31] <holstein> thats how you do it though... you can extract the .exe's you get and find the .inf, thats all you need to poing ndis to
[17:32] <truflip> to poing ndis to?
[17:32] <holstein> point*
[17:32] <truflip> ah.
[17:33] <truflip> so if i install a drive and it says the hardware isnt present, that means, i got a working hardware but isnt the right wireless card right?
[17:33] <truflip> hol
[17:33] <truflip> holstein,
[17:33] <holstein> truflip: well, thats the theory... thats what i would expect to see
[17:33] <truflip> okie
[17:34] <holstein> hardware not present, or the other message would make me think its not the proper driver
[17:34] <holstein> truflip: you want to make sure theres no hardware switch though
[17:34] <truflip> what hardware switch?
[17:34] <holstein> if you have a hardware switch that turns the device on and off, and its off, i would expect to see 'hardware not present'
[17:34] <holstein> that would be with the proper driver too
[17:35] <holstein> truflip: you may or may not have one... i have a machine with a button, and one with a keyboard shortcut
[17:35] <truflip> oh i know what u saying. toturn on and off the wireless device
[17:36] <holstein> yeah... you want to make sure thats on
[17:36] <truflip> holstein,  ok i think i have it working cuz i just UP and DOWN arrow thing up on the taskbar
[17:36] <truflip> and i'm getting wireless connections. i'm just not connected.
[17:36] <holstein> truflip: this will be hardware though
[17:37] <holstein> that arrow just says 'networking is happening' in general
[17:37] <holstein> doesnt mean the wifi hardware is on or off
[17:37] <truflip> but i'm getting signal from a network i know exist.
[17:37] <truflip> right now i'm LAN
[17:37] <holstein> truflip: yeah?
[17:38] <holstein> you cant connect to it?
[17:38] <truflip> let me try.
[17:41] <truflip> ahh it works!
[17:41] <truflip> holstein, you still there?
[17:43] <truflip> hello
[17:43] <truflip> holstein, it works!
[17:43] <truflip> yea i got connection but i was so slow.
[17:44] <holstein> truflip: that progress
[17:44] <holstein> thats*
[17:45] <truflip> wew thought ur gone again.
[17:46] <truflip> so i dont really need to install ndiswrapper right?
[17:46] <truflip> cuz its installed already...?
[17:46] <holstein> truflip: seems like you are using a driver from somewhere
[17:47] <holstein> yeah, i shouldnt have assumed
[17:48] <truflip> holstein, assumed what?
[17:49] <holstein> truflip: that you *didnt* have a current driver
[17:49] <zkriesse> hallo all
[17:49] <truflip> oh oki. well how i just tried 'sudo apt-get install aircrack-ng
[17:50] <truflip> but its still giving me the same error as before. saying about firmware-b43-installed
[17:50] <holstein> truflip: you never said anything about aircrack
[17:50] <holstein> that is not trivial, and im not sure what you intend to do with that... but i cant/wont help you
[17:51] <truflip> D:
[17:51] <truflip> that's fine i guess.
[17:51] <truflip> answer 1 question though?
[17:51] <holstein> infomation is freely available about it though... i would look on the ubuntu wiki's
[17:51] <holstein> and forums
[17:54] <zkriesse> Wait, why will you not help truflip holstein ?
[17:55] <truflip> holstein, ok i'm trying to install macchanger and its giving me firmware-b43-installer error
[17:55] <holstein> zkriesse: well, i dont know much about aircrack, thats the main reason, but that would cross over into 'wont' if its to crack some wifi somewhere
[17:55] <truflip> that's not aircrack-ng
[17:55] <zkriesse> Then what is it
[17:56] <truflip> idk. everytime i try to install a program using 'apt-get install' i get the same error all the time
[17:56] <truflip> e: sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[17:56] <truflip> on top of that is 'firmware-b43-installer
[17:56] <truflip> '
[17:57] <holstein> http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/debian-26/sub-process-usr-bin-dpkg-returned-an-error-code-1-a-171107/
[17:58] <zkriesse> holstein: pm me my friend
[18:02] <truflip> holstein, yea i did that earlier
[18:02] <truflip> apt-get -f install
[18:02] <truflip> apt-get upgrade
[18:02] <truflip> and over and over
[18:02] <truflip> holstein, same error.
[18:03] <truflip> holstein, i'm using ubuntu 10.10. if that would matter
[18:03] <holstein> truflip: im not totally sure whats broken... its something to do with that package
[18:04] <holstein> truflip: maybe you should try synaptic in the system menu
[18:04] <holstein> its a gui
[18:04] <holstein> you can try some of the 'fix' options in the menu
[18:06] <zkriesse> truflip: Why on earth are you using a wi-fi hacker
[18:06] <truflip> just something i wanna learn. but right now all i want is to get my ubuntu get working
[18:06] <zkriesse> Ok well learn how to hack with legality behind it...
[18:07] <zkriesse> Don't hack others, hack your own internet...secure it up and "hack" it
[18:07] <truflip> yea that's what i'm trying sheesh.
[18:08] <truflip> i have 2 routers which i wanna hack if i get the programs running.
[18:09] <zkriesse> Ok I am also "just saying"
[18:09] <holstein> truflip: i know that some hardware is easier than others
[18:09] <zkriesse> We may be open source volunteers but we still have ethics
[18:09] <holstein> its *not* trivial either
[18:10] <zkriesse> Indeed
[18:12] <truflip> some say the best way to learn linux is by walking though hardcore linux stuff. and i'm just walking through it to learn linux.
[18:13] <holstein> truflip: these are your personal routers?
[18:14] <truflip> yep.
[18:14] <holstein> WEP is what you want to be using
[18:14] <holstein> WPA is still quite challenging AFAIK
[18:14] <truflip> AFAIK?
[18:15] <holstein> as far as i know
[18:15] <holstein> and at the end of the day.. what good is this?
[18:15] <truflip> well if my internet fail. which it does from time to time, i would still be able to do my online classes.
[18:15] <holstein> i mean, basically what i take from aircrack is... on my router i run WPA, and i change my passwords often
[18:16] <holstein> truflip: you can reset your personal router anytime
[18:16] <holstein> you dont need to crack it
[18:16] <truflip> they're a pain having to do them in the library which i could have been doing something else more entertaining
[18:16] <holstein> truflip: if your network goes down, and you hack your neighbors, thats not only illegal, its just *not* cool
[18:16] <truflip> yea well if u guys wont help, there's really no hard feelings from me. thanks though
[18:17] <holstein> truflip: i would walk next door and say 'im your neighbor and i was wondering if you will let me share your internet'
[18:17] <holstein> for a couple bucks a month... when/if mine goes down
[18:17] <zkriesse> That way you're being not only honest but also ethical
[18:17] <holstein> OR, if you see folks with WEP, go and offer to help them set up their routers for a fee
[18:18] <holstein> OR better yet, for access to it
[18:18] <holstein> that wont take long to switch them over to WPA, you have access, they are more secure
[18:18] <holstein> its a win win
[18:22] <truflip> holstein, np
[18:43] <aseem> How do you get to know who your BT Guide is ?
[18:44] <bioterror> he will contact you
[18:45] <aseem> oh okay, thanks :)
[19:04] <Guest70791> whats the easiest way to get rid of windows if ubuntu was installed via wubi?
[19:05] <holstein> Guest70791: are you trying to preserve any data?
[19:06] <holstein> easy would be 1. wipe the drive
[19:06] <Guest70791> no most i can just redownload,
[19:06] <holstein> if you need to keep something from the ubuntu install, i would probably copy the home directory and reinstall
[19:06] <holstein> if you need to migrate that wubi install, you can... i dont think its easy though
[19:07] <Guest70791> would i need anything from the install for it to run properly?
[19:07] <Guest70791> i dont want to have to migrate partitions, looks way too confusing for me
[19:07] <holstein> Guest70791: drivers you mean?
[19:07] <holstein> nah
[19:08] <holstein> in theory, if you install the same version of ubuntu you have in the wubi install, it should end up being identical
[19:11] <Guest70791> would i need a usb/cd to do this, like i think i know what to do, but am still kinda confused,
[19:11] <holstein> Guest70791: you can do it however you feel comfortable
[19:12] <holstein> Guest70791: you'll need to get the machine booting a CD or USB, and install from it
[19:12] <holstein> the installer will ask how you want to partition
[19:12] <holstein> one option is 'use entire drive and wipe whatever'
[19:14] <Guest70791> oh okay, and thats the one i want.
[19:15] <Guest70791> just was wondering if there was an easy way without cd/usb because i didnt have one, but i got one, thanks for the help!
[19:17] <holstein> Guest70791: yeah, not easy... theres always an option though... let us know how it goes :)
[19:52] <Guest70791> one last thing, should i uninstall wubi version before i install from cd?
[20:42] <coalwater> just a fast question, bzr pull lp:whatever --overwrite should overwrite my local version right ?
[20:51] <_CommandeR_> Hi there, i currently tried phpsysinfo however for some reason when trying from local it works but from outside it gets to "loading please wait"
[21:14] <froq> I have missed Ubuntu time... how are all of you!
[21:15] <coalwater> hey froq
[21:15] <froq> coalwater, what up coal?!
[21:16] <coalwater> not much, checking some bug to fix lol, but i really need to sleep soon
[21:16] <froq> coalwater, a bug!!!  icky... where is this BUG?
[21:18] <froq> brb....
[21:21] <coalwater> https://bugs.launchpad.net/lernid/+bug/810122
[21:21] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 810122 in lernid "URL's highlighted and opened include trailing comma" [Low,Confirmed]
[21:26] <mi6ail1234> Greetings...I want to ask you how can i update my Java version