=== nigel is now known as nigelb [06:38] good morning [06:57] Aloha [07:04] nuff work [07:04] heading to bed, night all [07:05] up at 6.30am [07:12] goodmorning all [07:14] Good morning dholbach, dpm :) [07:16] hey nigelb :) [07:49] Morning all [07:53] Hey kim0 [07:53] nigelb: hey o/ [07:53] morning nigelb [07:53] err [07:53] morning kim0 :) [07:53] dpm: morning man :) [08:10] hi nigelb, kim0, czajkowski, dpm [08:10] o/ [08:10] o/ [08:15] hey dholbach ;) === daker_ is now known as daker === czajkows1i is now known as czajkowski === Pendulum_ is now known as Pendulum [11:17] mornin [11:36] cjohnston: ola [13:09] morning [13:10] hello mhall119 [13:24] paultag: ping [13:34] kim0: ok, check out the unity bzr log now. :) [13:46] mhall119: pong [13:46] mhall119: what's up, how can I help? [13:48] paultag: we've got your name as an author on one of the css files in loco-directory [13:48] mhall119: yessir. [13:48] mhall119: feel free to mush that to ubuntu community or something [13:48] mhall119: not canonical, please [13:49] not canonical, either loco-directory-dev, or the parent community web dev team [13:49] mhall119: that's fine :) [13:49] nigelb: ^^^ make it so [13:49] thanks paultag [13:49] I hereby sign that file off to you guys in all ways are legal :) [13:49] mhall119: no problem, thank you for your work [13:50] thank you for yours [13:50] it's nothing, really [13:52] oh well in that case I take it back :P [13:52] :) [13:52] how's your syn rework going? [13:53] mhall119: okay. [13:53] mhall119: OK. I got distracted with helping a friend learn git, so I lost time last night, but I have it doing some super-cool things. It can read and write bz2 compressed json files to the fs, and archives [13:53] mhall119: so I'm going to use that a bunch-load. [13:53] On a side note, some day I want to do the "^^ make it so" [13:53] nigelb: it's the best thing in the world [13:54] sounds interesting [13:54] is the package data in json? [13:54] mhall119: yes, and all the control files, so that I can script updates, and I won't have to do jack unless it fails [13:54] mhall119: this cuts out about 90% of the work [13:55] nice [13:55] mhall119: so the binaries will have all sorts of stuff, and it will all be compressed json, it's fairly cool [13:55] paultag: you know what I really want, unprivileged user installs [13:55] mhall119: this can do it [13:55] that would rock [13:55] mhall119: but it won't allow you to link the package unprivd [13:55] install it into ~/bin/ and ~/share/ [13:56] oh, that'd be cool. I'll consider adding that once it's stable [13:56] cool [13:56] mhall119: it supports more then one root, I was going to use a flash drive to hold a package set and a directive telling it what to get linked over [13:56] i think that would be a killer feature [13:56] mhall119: so you can plug in, and install, unplug and uninstall, but that would work in ~ as well [13:57] nice, I guess Android does something like that [13:57] ? [13:57] mhall119: kinda sorta, aye. I was going to make this so I can have a flash-drive full of development headers or something :) [13:58] oh not like a thumb drive of l33t hacker tools that you don't want TSA seeing installed? [13:58] or that :) [13:59] or keep all your non-free apps on a separate drive, so you can quickly yank it out when RMS pays you a surprise visit [13:59] +1! [14:00] nigelb: I can't find it but there's a TNG speech that was close to what you said :E) [14:00] :) * [14:00] keep your Koder Kombat binaries separate [14:00] Paultag Wins! ~Segfault~ [14:00] mhall119: da-da-dana da-da-da-na! [14:00] mhall119++ [14:38] jono: thanks for your comment on my wedding blogpost, buddy. (And did you notice I linked to Open Respect? ;) ) [14:48] noooooooooo [14:48] my favorite hippie is going away [14:50] dholbach? [14:50] hey popey [14:50] Hullo :D [14:50] greg-g, np, and I did :-) [14:54] popey, how can I help? :) [14:54] oh ok [14:54] now I get it [14:54] oh, sorry, i was being humorous [14:54] nevermind [14:54] :D [14:54] please don't stop :) [14:55] heh [14:55] jcastro: but now you can book a trip to SF, say it is for work to visit jono, but really come out and hang with me! [14:56] I'll be hitting the coast alot this summer dude [14:56] when do you move? [14:57] dholbach: you have access to the ubuntu facebook page? [14:57] jcastro, only as a reader - jono is the man to talk to [14:57] Leaving A2 around Aug 10th, slowly making way over to SF, there by Aug 31st (to fly out to Jamaica for my sister's wedding on Sept 2nd) first day of work on Sept 6th [14:58] jono: can you post this? http://twitter.com/#!/ubuntuunity/status/91158469696176130 We had a low turn out last week so I need to get a bigger bullhorn. [14:59] also, I could use some retweets from anyone in here. :) [14:59] you need to write better tweets [14:59] i was asleep by the 3rd word [15:00] what would you recommend? [15:00] put the last words at the start [15:00] "Come hack on unity before popey deletes the mailing list!" [15:00] tell people they can get involved [15:00] not "come to a meeting" [15:00] ah, good point [15:01] jcastro, popey has a career in marketing ahead of him [15:01] hah! [15:01] please, god, no. [15:01] dholbach: what I need here is a graph [15:01] I am good at testing though :D [15:02] ok next time I'll put the draft tweet in here [15:02] one of my friends made the mistake of releasing an iphone app _before_ I'd seen it [15:02] then we can slice it and dice it [15:02] he got a whole load of bug reports after I'd played with it [15:02] so much so that another friend got special dispensation from his company to let me have a private beta because he knows I break stuff :D [15:02] er [15:02] s/break/test/ [15:02] popey: break. it sounds better that way ;-) [15:03] jcastro: we need a collaborative tweet editor [15:03] jcastro, I'll put you on an ignore list [15:03] like etherpad but only 140 chars [15:03] hahaha that'd be pretty easy and fun [15:03] but totally useless :) [15:04] is dpm back yet? [15:04] jcastro, o/ [15:04] dpm: hey, are you on google+ yet? That way we can do the hangout for team calls [15:04] because it's awesome [15:05] jcastro, I am, I haven't tried it yet [15:05] ok awesome [15:05] sounds good to me if you want to try tomorrow [15:05] I'm getting freaked out with all this google stuff [15:05] I mean, now my social network? [15:05] if I get banned for whatever reason, I loose email, social contact, calendar, and a whole bunch of other stuff [15:05] I wish normal people were on it [15:05] it's basically identica right now. :-/ [15:06] jcastro: my IRL non-nerd friends are on it [15:06] jcastro: you might just be too old [15:06] * paultag ducks [15:06] I've got a few [15:06] I wish you could just shut people off in the stream [15:06] it's like zonker won't stfu and posts every 5 minutes. [15:07] you have a blog dude! [15:07] jcastro: push him into another circle [15:07] you can filter circles and make them on the fly [15:07] that doesn't take him off the stream [15:07] jcastro: srsly? I thought you can modify that [15:07] you can't say "I don't want this circle on my stream" [15:07] no but you can say you want everything bug that [15:08] jcastro: dude it's on the left, I just changed it [15:09] michigan education [15:09] Right, but I am talking about the home stream [15:10] I know I can look at streams for individual circles [15:11] how can I set the default webcam in Ubuntu? [15:11] gstreamer-properties [15:11] look in the video tab somewhere [15:12] for Device under default input or something like that [15:15] paultag / jcastro they are putting loads of new stuff live in G+ very soon [15:15] including filtering out circle [15:15] yeah that's what I'm hoping for [15:16] http://www.geek.com/articles/geek-pick/google-is-being-tweaked-this-week-based-on-user-feedback-20110711/ [15:16] popey: sweet. [15:16] I'm still not sold [15:16] I really don't like the single point of failure [15:16] meh [15:17] popey: what would you do if google banned you, right now [15:17] popey: seriously, how could you do anything? [15:17] point my mx somewhere else [15:17] popey: but you still have mail going to @gmail, I'm sure [15:17] i tend not to worry about stuff that is _highly_ unlikely to happen [15:18] WHAT IF THERE WAS A LASER. [15:18] i worry more about the disk in my laptop going bag [15:18] point taken. [15:18] *bang [15:18] which happened this week [15:18] (reboot bbiab) [15:18] my HDD has started clicking, I figure it's only a matter of time [15:18] ext4 trashed my sda [15:18] for some reason I can't work out [15:38] UDW (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDeveloperWeek) day 3 starting in 23 minutes in #ubuntu-classroom === salgado is now known as salgado-lunch [16:22] ok popey [16:22] I need your help for a sexy title for this week's unity report [16:24] Okay [16:24] What's the most contentious thing in it? :D [16:24] and what's the least [16:30] jcastro, the Brits have much more experience with catchy head lines :-P [16:30] popey: nothing, it's basically another boring sounding report so far [16:30] http://pad.ubuntu.com/unity-report-12Jul [16:31] also, I don't want to use the words "sexy", or "ace". Heh. [16:32] uhhhh [16:32] we're doing the mac "drag a mounted item to the trash to unmount it" crack that people have taken the piss out of for _years_ ? [16:38] shrug [16:38] I thought people liked that? [16:38] heh [16:38] nigelb: check this out: https://ec2-50-19-128-105.compute-1.amazonaws.com/ [16:38] and login with guest/guest [16:38] 'Doing Crack Like a Mac' probably isn't an appropriate bug report titel then? ;-) [16:38] kirkland is using this to "termcast" his session for UDW. [16:38] it's just an ajaxterm + ec2 [16:39] anyway, it'd be neat to have this available for anyone in the project [16:39] jcastro: GAWD, Its awesome [16:39] hehe [16:39] its screen -x isnt it? [16:39] nigelb: he can't figure out how to set the ubuntu font in CSS [16:39] want to lend him a hand? [16:40] jcastro: sure, where? [16:40] he has like 20 minutes until his class begins [16:40] he's "kirkland" on IRC [16:40] popey: A bit more restricted. You can't control it as a guest [16:40] thats sweet [16:40] nigelb: figure out how to use the mono font, that would be wicked. [16:40] He has done stuff ike this for most of his sessions in the past [16:40] jcastro: my slide for your unity story: http://princessleia.com/temp/unity_launcher_size_change_slide.png [16:41] \o/ [16:41] (real statuses from the bug!) [16:41] woo hoo! [16:41] the ajaxterm looks nice - I just hope we have something good in the log later on too [16:42] you have to log it by hand [16:42] it would be nice if there was a download log button [16:42] but baby steps. :) [16:42] pleia2: those steps won't help the people who are all about clicking on an icon to minimize an app instead of expose it [16:42] but whatever, you can't win em all [16:43] sure, but my talk is about a single volunteer making a major difference, not unity UI (and thank goodness for that!) [16:44] ted can do the unity talks, he's good at wearing rotten vegetables [16:55] heh [16:56] pleia2: when you're done can you send me all your slides? [16:56] I'm all about ripping people off. [16:56] popey: any title ideas? [17:00] jcastro: will do [17:00] "Pixel-Perfect" could be appropriate jcastro [17:02] really? [17:02] isn't that kind of cocky sounding? [17:03] well it's only really refering to the first fix [17:04] interesting to have a fix for ALT+F2 (Run) and /run in one [17:05] ok I just need a title for the whole thing [17:05] think faster [17:05] hah [17:05] I cant work like this! [17:06] I need to retire to the alps for my creative juices to flow [17:06] jcastro: Running Fixes? :) [17:06] s/alps/pub/ [17:06] Run Ocelot Run.. [17:07] There, ^ that sounds good [17:07] ok ok [17:13] http://ubuntu-news.org/2011/07/13/run-ocelot-run-unity-report-for-13-july/ [17:13] booya [17:13] kim0: ah crap, we forgot a picture [17:13] kim0: next time we should get pics from the new people [17:14] jcastro: Also s/Freenode/freenode/ [17:15] really? Does that matter? [17:19] ho ho ho [17:22] jcastro: Not a huge deal, but one is correct and the other isn't [17:29] alright my friends - I call it a day [17:29] see you all tomorrow! [17:54] kim0: check this out: http://blog.linode.com/2011/07/13/introducing-nodebalancer/ === salgado-lunch is now known as salgado [18:02] jcastro: unity meeting now right [18:02] yep [18:03] kim0: sigh, I suck at UTC conversion [18:03] lbaas .. is everything gonna be aas [18:03] It's so easy for me .. 18 is 8pm .. I just drop the 1 :) === daker is now known as daker_ [18:23] kim0: ok, all I need is a title now that isn't "Ensemble Updates" [18:23] popey: you're up again [18:23] popey is the community's creative brain cells :) [18:25] he complained about my tweet so now I'm going to squeeze my creative juices out of him [18:28] kim0: see how quiet he is now? :) [18:28] :) [18:29] we could be clever [18:29] and be like [18:29] "ensemble status" [18:29] but no one would get that joke [18:29] lol :) [18:29] I did hehe [18:33] kim0: ok posted, but doesn't appear on cloud.ubuntu.com [18:35] give it time [18:35] 45mins or so [18:35] oh ok [18:40] is that the normal amount of time? [18:43] my impression is that planet updates every hour [18:43] totally unscientific :) [18:43] wonder if I can download an identi.ca text corpus [18:59] haha [19:00] i was driving home, sorry for not being on irc at 70MPH [19:00] "But Officer, I wasn't texting. I was using IRC" [19:01] hah [19:01] hahahaha [19:02] kim0: I didn't mean planet, I mean cloud.ubuntu.com [19:03] james_w: do you know if LP keeps tracks of the # of reviews someone does on an LP project? [19:03] jcastro, I don't think it does as a number [19:03] jcastro, ok to upgrade to oneiruc? [19:03] oneiric? [19:03] I think you might be able to query the api to tell you though [19:04] jono: I have no sound with the new kernel on my desktop [19:04] jono: give me 10 to try the laptop [19:04] cheers jcastro [19:04] jcastro: "Assemble Dune Pet!" [19:04] kim0: can you follow up with someone on LP to see if we can find out who is doing the most amount of reviews in Unity? [19:05] kim0: we should graph that [19:07] hehe "Pedant Bus Melee!" [19:15] jono: ok no sound on my desktop, but my laptop is rocking and it's a thinkpad like yours is so you should be good [19:16] thanks jcastro [19:16] I am going to take the plunge [19:16] you can't be any more screwed than I was a few weeks ago heh [19:20] :-) [19:20] ...touch wood [19:21] jcastro, wow, a *tonne* of stuff held back [19:21] pastebin what you're doing to me pls. [19:22] are you already on oneiric? [19:22] or are you on natty going into oneiric? [19:23] going natty -> oneiric [19:23] http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/643473/ [19:23] I think it is just removing a tonne of cruft [19:23] did you manually change the sources.list? [19:23] those are the upgrade and dist-upgrade reports [19:23] or do do-release-upgrade -d? [19:23] yup [19:23] manually [19:24] that looks fine-ish [19:24] though when it's done reinstall ubuntu-desktop [19:24] will do [19:24] though me personally [19:24] why reinstall ubuntu desktop [19:24] I would move them back to natty [19:24] move what back to natty? [19:24] and let it do the do-release-upgrade -d [19:25] why? [19:25] which is the way we're supposed to do it [19:25] for upgrades we're supposed to use update-manager or do-release-upgrade [19:25] doing that [19:25] I don't think we've supported manual dist-upgrades in a long time [19:25] how do I do it that way? [19:25] do-release-upgrade -d? [19:25] ok, move your sources.list back [19:25] yep [19:25] moved [19:25] and then just do-release-upgrade -d [19:25] for CLI way [19:25] or update-manager -d [19:25] for the GUI way [19:26] they do nice things like, automatically update your sources.list, disable PPAs before the upgrade, etc. [19:26] I thought the gui way was broken [19:26] not sure why [19:26] I will do it [19:26] I prefer do-release-upgrade because it's more informative, shrug [19:27] ok doing it now [19:27] thanks jcastro [19:28] this has been a pretty calm dev cycle for me [19:28] yup [19:28] usually there's tons of broken crap [19:30] I am pretty sure your manual way would have worked. But just in case it turnns your laptop into a piece of molten slag I'd rather be blameless and do it the official way. [19:35] this is way better [19:36] cool how it reports a summary of the upgrade [19:36] :-) [19:36] yeah [19:36] it beats replacing the animal name in all your source list files by hand [19:36] yup [19:37] also i recall hearing the official way can resolve some types of conflicts better than the manual way [19:37] The only time I really do a manual dist-upgrade is if I am upgrading right when the new repos open (before update-manager -d will work) [19:37] for example in edgy, update-manager would remove evms but dist-upgrade wouldnt, but evms was incompatible with the edgy kernel and would use all your cycles writing logs complaining [19:37] and I never upgrade until they turn that on [19:38] jono: do we still have our LD call this afternoon? [19:38] mhall119, yup [19:39] ok [19:39] if that works for you, of course :-) [19:39] mhall119: 1.5 weeks and I'm a Floridian! [19:40] \o/ [19:40] jono: works for me [19:41] :-)\ [19:41] :-) [20:13] jono: how's it coming along? [20:13] jcastro, still crunching [20:13] :-) [20:15] "i'm compiling" is a rather old trick isn't it though? :) [20:15] he's probably just been playing guitar for the last hour [20:16] yeah, that terrible noise music he always makes [20:16] BAH! [20:24] heh [20:50] mhall119: have we a call in 10 mins [20:51] czajkowski: yes [20:57] mhall119: jono just called me [20:57] he's having some network problems [20:57] so he's going to be a bit late [20:57] and he was wondering if you could let everyone on the call know that he's on his way [21:01] jcastro: ok [21:01] mhall119: want me to start the call [21:02] been out and on date night [21:02] czajkowski: cjohnston said he was going to need a dial-in line [21:02] bugger [21:02] though I haven't heard from him either [21:08] greg-g: I just found the awesomest picture of us [21:09] jcastro: oh? [21:11] https://plus.google.com/116015965439782966698/posts/Yx6vxZ1mLtW [21:11] mhall119: you're not on skype [21:12] czajkowski: skype says i am :( [21:13] can you see me now? [21:13] skype says you are offline [21:13] stupid Microsoft [21:13] I'm using 2.2.0.35 [21:15] mhall119, you are online now [21:15] and you czajkowski offline [21:15] you should do a hangout, they're so awesome [21:16]