[05:05] <knightwise> morning everyone!
[05:06] <shauno> howdy
[05:06] <knightwise> hey shauno , how are you today
[05:07] <shauno> awake :(
[05:07] <HazRPG> \o
[05:07] <HazRPG> (me raising hand in agreement that we is awake)
[05:07] <HazRPG> I haven't slept o.O
[05:08] <HazRPG> got home @ midnight, read e-mail... and went "ah fudgesticks" and started doing work
[05:08] <knightwise> hey HazRPG
[05:08] <knightwise> i'm up too :)
[05:08] <shauno> I pretty much have to atm.  12hr shifts for the next 3 weeks :)
[05:08] <knightwise> getting my geek on in the morning ,
[05:08] <HazRPG> \o/
[05:08] <knightwise> doing some intstalls , moving some systems around the house , stuff like that
[05:09] <HazRPG> double: \o/
[05:09] <HazRPG> nothing like kick starting the day, with a bit of geeking/nerding :)
[05:09] <HazRPG> or in my case... not actually sleeping o.O
[05:11] <knightwise> yep , prepped my Amahi server to go live , setup secondary subnet in the house for testing , got boxee box installed for reviewing on the website, and currently installing a *cough* windows7 machine for a friend
[05:11] <knightwise> while downloading the new linux mint to put on my personal machine
[05:11] <HazRPG> win
[05:11] <HazRPG> not sure if ubuntu 10.10 is going to be my cup of tea yet
[05:12] <knightwise> 11.04 you mean ?
[05:12] <MartijnVdS> or 11.10?
[05:12] <HazRPG> er... Freudian slip xD - I meant 11.10
[05:12] <MartijnVdS> ^5 HazRPG
[05:12] <HazRPG> I may end up having to build/find updates for 10.10 indefinitely
[05:12] <knightwise> i'm not even going for 11.04 i think
[05:12] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: +1!
[05:12] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: there's Debian.. :) But I've found that it's possible to get used to Unity
[05:13] <knightwise> hmm , i thought about giving it a try , but i love consistency
[05:13] <shauno> nothing a lil lobotomy can't fix ;)
[05:13] <MartijnVdS> shauno: hmm alcohol :P
[05:13] <knightwise> i'm downloading the rolling release of mint right now
[05:13] <HazRPG> knightwise: I tried it in beta... didn't like it... tried it before release... still didn't like it... installed it on laptop before I went to egypt when it got released... it failed horribly over there... (gladly I always have a USB drive with an installer on it to revert to what I'd consider "stable" version)
[05:14] <shauno> ow .. I appear to have left my powersupply at home :(
[05:14] <HazRPG> shauno: -1 :(
[05:14] <MartijnVdS> shauno: short work day!
[05:14] <knightwise> HazRPG: would you suggest going for another distro / version of mint ?
[05:15] <shauno> naw, it's just going to severely cramp my ability to shoot germans while trying to pass time :(
[05:15] <MartijnVdS> shauno: "Laptop's empty. Pub time!"
[05:15] <HazRPG> knightwise: personally I dislike mint because it looks too much like windows :/
[05:15] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: you're supposed to be able to install Gnome 3 on oneiric
[05:15] <HazRPG> knightwise: my reasoning is, if I wanted something to look like windows, I'd use windows :P
[05:15] <knightwise> lol , thats true
[05:15] <knightwise> i like mint because it DOESNT look like unity
[05:15] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: I read about that, but I don't know if I like Gnome3 either xD
[05:16] <HazRPG> knightwise: what's mint currently rolling with at the moment? Gnome2 or Gnome3?
[05:16] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: Although, I must admit Gnome 3 > Unity so far
[05:17] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: I'm just not sure if I'm ready for such radical changes to my desktop yet :(
[05:17] <MartijnVdS> I used Gnome 2 like I use unity now..
[05:17] <MartijnVdS> the launchers are just on the left instead of in the panel
[05:17] <knightwise> gnome2
[05:17] <MartijnVdS> also, I still don't know the names of things (lenses? wut?)
[05:17] <HazRPG> see, I'm not a fan of launchers
[05:18] <knightwise> same here
[05:18] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: how do you start programs then?
[05:18] <knightwise> call me oldschool but .. i'm currently running 11.04 with gnome 2 on my Imac
[05:18] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: ALT+F2 xD
[05:18] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: or using the main menu
[05:18] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: too much typing for a terminal ;)
[05:19] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: I like my "OPEN A NEW TERMINAL NAO" button :)
[05:19] <HazRPG> I have that too :P
[05:19] <HazRPG> mod4+T
[05:19] <HazRPG> just because CTRL+ALT+T was too awkward for my hands
[05:20] <HazRPG> I'm really tempted to actually give Gnome 3 another try, see if I can get use to it
[05:20] <HazRPG> but I like my panels too much :(
[05:21] <HazRPG> feels wrong and dirty to not be able to see instantly at the bottom what I have running
[05:21] <knightwise> I must say , i use a lot of Xforwarding to run apps that i have isntalled on other machines , so it doesnt REALLY matter to me what shell i use , i've kinda "distributed" my computing allthrough the house (and beyond) these days
[05:21] <HazRPG> (with full titles)
[05:21] <HazRPG> knightwise: heh :P
[05:22] <HazRPG> crap, just noticed the sticky on my desktop!
[05:22] <HazRPG> *runs to take out gardening waste*
[05:24] <HazRPG> \o
[05:24] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: what's your "run terminal nao" button?
[05:24] <knightwise> did a jailbreak on my ipad yesterday :)
[05:25] <HazRPG> knightwise: score
[05:25] <knightwise> jailbreakme.com
[05:25] <knightwise> all you need to do is surf to the site with your safari browser on your ipad / ipod
[05:25] <knightwise> et voila
[05:26] <knightwise> just ssh'd into my ipod :)
[05:48] <knightwise> hmm
[05:48] <knightwise> i accidently installed the "lubuntu desktop" on one of my remote machines ,
[05:49] <knightwise> and i seem to be unable to get it off .. :(
[05:49] <shauno> that's quite a slip
[06:38] <BigRedS> knightwise: what does  an apt-get remove lubuntu-desktop do?
[06:42] <knightwise> i tried that but i still get the gui login screen , v
[06:42] <knightwise> very strange
[06:43] <shauno> so, on the plus side, tmux uses a lot less memory than screen.  on the downside, it keeps sticking it's head up it's rear until I kill it.  rather annoying :(
[06:44] <BigRedS> knightwise: yu'll probably need to do an apt-get autoremove, too
[06:44] <BigRedS> 'cause the *-desktop packages just depend upon what's needed for the desktop
[06:44] <BigRedS> I think
[06:45]  * BigRedS generally ignores gui things
[06:45] <knightwise> BigRedS: i am starting to agree with you
[06:45]  * knightwise loves his cli irssi
[06:46] <MooDoo> morning
[06:46] <BigRedS> good morning
[06:55] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: it's a big button on the unity bar on the left
[06:56] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: ah
[06:56] <czajkowski> aloha
[07:01] <MooDoo> czajkowski, hi, how are you today?
[07:08] <czajkowski> tired woken up by stupid builders at 7:30a
[07:08] <czajkowski> m
[07:12] <Gary> any cute ones?
[07:12] <czajkowski> no idea i cant see them to throw things at them
[07:12] <Gary> aww, thats so unfair
[07:14] <MooDoo> bloomin windows server reboots
[07:23] <daubers> Morning
[07:23] <MooDoo> morning daubers
[07:29] <popey> MooDoo: http://randall.executiv.es/ucw_oneiric_15
[07:29] <popey> :D
[07:30] <TheOpenSourcerer> all bow to popey the great.
[07:31] <MooDoo> popey, yeah i saw it :)  You dislike forums :)       maybe we should do this for ubuntu uk.....:)  would be a laugh :D lol
[07:32] <popey> MooDoo: like we haven't had that discussion a few times before
[07:32] <MooDoo> i'll pay you a daubers and raise you a popey :)
[07:32] <MooDoo> popey, oh i know, just made me smile :)
[07:32] <knightwise> We could do strip-poker with these cards
[07:32] <MooDoo> steady
[07:32] <AlanBell> we did do profile roulette a while ago
[07:33] <MooDoo> printable ones, good for recognising people at events and such :)
[07:33] <AlanBell> http://randall.executiv.es/ucw_oneiric_13 unlucky for some
[07:34] <AlanBell> http://randall.executiv.es/ucw_oneiric_11 nice Union Jack there czajkowski
[07:34] <daubers> MooDoo: Wah?
[07:35] <MooDoo> daubers, nothing just being silly.....poker/top trumps with the ubuntu community week collector cards :)
[07:35] <daubers> Oh! Ok
[07:35] <daubers> MooDoo: I won't be on one! I've not done anything noteable
[07:36] <MooDoo> daubers, neither of i, but you're known in here, i'm sure that's enough :)
[07:36] <daubers> Although, I have been tempted to buy some blank playing cards, print those out and then actually use them for top trumps at Oggcamp
[07:39] <MooDoo> daubers, i'm not going to oggcamp :(
[07:39] <daubers> MooDoo: Rubbish :(
[07:40] <MooDoo> daubers, darn wife got pregnant ;)  and she'll be 8 months by then, i suppose i better look after her ;)
[07:41] <daubers> MooDoo: Yeah... might be the best idea
[07:42] <MooDoo> daubers, ooo that reminds me ubuntu baby grow :)
[07:44] <AlanBell> I can just picture you in one
[07:44] <MooDoo> AlanBell, you have a warped mind mr ;)
[07:45] <AlanBell> true
[07:46] <ikonia> directhex: the fact that you remembered my pain and have decided to ease my suffering makes me love you more
[07:46] <MooDoo> ikonia, creep ;)
[07:49] <j0nr> The Ubuntu logo might be the perfect shape for a teething ring
[07:50] <knightwise> LOLZ
[07:50] <knightwise> and here i was thinking that I was a nerd
[07:51] <MooDoo> knightwise, you are :p
[07:53] <knightwise> MooDoo: ah ..yes ..
[07:53] <knightwise> indeed i am ! :)
[07:55]  * daubers blocks "progressiverecruitment" from the work mailserver
[07:55] <daubers> 2 spammy emails a day is too much
[07:55] <knightwise> hahah :) smtp nazi ! :)
[07:56] <daubers> Also need to print a "Please don't park in these spaces" sign for the idiot in the jag whose parked in our spaces and will probably get walloped by the first delivery lorry of the day
[07:57] <MooDoo> daubers, wouldn't worry about that, he'll learn when they have a dent in the car.....happened where i live
[07:58] <MooDoo> daubers, someone parked on the wrong side of the road and when asked to move it refused stating they were allowed to park there......fire engine on a call thought differently
[07:58] <daubers> MooDoo: Just important to put the "We accept no liability that may occur from you parking in these space when you shouldn't be"
[08:04] <knightwise> or ' Unfortunately your car got smashed by a teenage dalek with anger management issues. We apologise for the inconvenience"
[08:05] <daubers> knightwise: Or I just go to halfords, buy a clamp and clamp the bugger.
[08:05] <daubers> There is a sign up saying "Illegally parked vehicles may be clamped"
[08:05] <daubers> Charge him £100 for a release fee, then burn the cash in front of him
[08:05] <knightwise> LOL :)
[08:05] <MooDoo> put one of those windscreen stickers on it that say "don't park here" and rip into little bits when you try to take it off
[08:06] <knightwise> that last bit is the  bomb
[08:14] <JGJones> MooDoo, apparently they already did that at Silverstone for the F1
[08:14] <JGJones> On all the cars or something
[08:14] <JGJones> my dad who went told me that the stickers that they slap on for the car park was hell to peel off - heat from the sun seem to have welded it to the windscreen
[08:17] <oimon> a bit like the stickers they used to stick on CDs in hmv
[08:17] <oimon> as a teenager i had a bit of OCD about stickers + glue marks on my lovely CD cases,
[08:36]  * daubers gives the vpn server a gentle kicking
[08:36] <bigcalm> Good morning awake peoples :)
[08:44] <daubers> o/
[08:44] <MooDoo> bigcalm, hi
[08:45] <dwatkins> hihi
[09:00]  * bigcalm ponders which domain to ad a + redirect to
[09:00] <bigcalm> s/ad/add/
[09:03] <davmor2> Morning all
[09:03]  * davmor2 gives czajkowski a prod to make sure shes with us
[09:12] <MooDoo> morning davmor2
[09:13] <czajkowski> meh
[09:14] <davmor2> MooDoo: Morning dude
[09:14] <MooDoo> czajkowski, wassup....you're being grumpier than normal
[09:14] <davmor2> czajkowski: :( that's not a happy face meh it not even a half baked attempt at a decent meh
[09:14] <czajkowski> builders waking me after I'd only gotten back to sleep at 5am
[09:15] <czajkowski> I swear I slept more as a baby than I do now
[09:15] <MooDoo> 5am....wow hard life aint it :p
[09:15] <davmor2> czajkowski: Ah yeap that would do it
[09:15] <czajkowski> somewhere along the line I forgot how to sleep through the night
[09:16] <MooDoo> czajkowski, think of it as practive for when/if you have kids :p
[09:17] <davmor2> czajkowski: that's easy, when I'm in London next I'll bring the mallet and show you :P
[09:20] <MooDoo> davmor2, when i'm in london next i'll bring whisky,it's the same effect :)
[09:21] <czajkowski> davmor2: when are you here next
[09:21] <davmor2> MooDoo: czajkowski doesn't do whisky
[09:21] <davmor2> czajkowski: 15-19th of august
[09:21] <MooDoo> davmor2, s/whisky/something else
[09:21] <czajkowski> davmor2: so after oggcamp
[09:21] <czajkowski> cool,
[09:22] <czajkowski> davmor2: I do love my JD!!!!!
[09:22] <MooDoo> davmor2, czajkowski JD evening i think then :)
[09:23] <davmor2> czajkowski: JD is a bourbon it isn't left in cask long enough to be whisky
[09:25] <daubers> Whiskey \o/
[09:25] <daubers> JD /o\
[09:25] <jpds> You guys are going shopping for shoes?
[09:25] <czajkowski> CAKE MAN!
[09:25] <czajkowski> daubers: remember you owe me cake at oggcamp
[09:25] <daubers> Cake \o/
[09:25] <daubers> czajkowski: Yup, I owe a couple of peopl ecake
[09:26] <daubers> people cake even
[09:26] <daubers> Probably just make a big cak
[09:26] <daubers> e
[09:26] <czajkowski> daubers: yes indeeed,
[09:26] <czajkowski> but I'm special
[09:26] <czajkowski> I have to deal with MooDoo and davmor2 on a daily basis!
[09:27] <daubers> czajkowski: So what you really need is a supply of custard pies and a catapult?
[09:27] <davmor2> czajkowski: Hey no fair we both have to put with you I know which is worse :P
[09:29] <czajkowski> daubers: ohhh yes pie in the face to raise funds for the team
[09:29] <czajkowski> I nominate davmor2 to sit in the chair for the day
[09:30] <czajkowski> a quid a pie
[09:30] <czajkowski> make a fortune
[09:30] <czajkowski> *grin*
[09:30] <davmor2> hmmmmm pie
[09:30] <daubers> czajkowski: You'd be bankrupt in an hour
[09:31] <czajkowski> but would be so worth t
[09:32] <czajkowski> and others would chip in too
[09:32] <czajkowski> we could alternate between a davmor2 and a Daviey for pie in the face
[09:32] <davmor2> czajkowski: What did Daviey do?
[09:33] <czajkowski> it's Daviey always blame Dave2
[09:33] <czajkowski> Daviey:
[09:36] <andylockran> howdy
[09:36] <MooDoo> czajkowski, you'd miss us if we wasn't here
[09:36] <bigcalm> I jumped on the band-wagon: http://cuth.eu/+
[09:37] <andylockran> woop
[09:42] <bigcalm_> ¬.¬
[09:45] <bigcalm_> Damn you intermittant internet connection in just one server
[09:49] <gord> also me, http://gordallott.com/+ - its amazing how no matter how many times i have to edit apache config files, i always come away learning nothing
[09:51] <bigcalm> Heh
[09:52] <bigcalm> gord: I added an extra redirect rule to my urlshortener site to redirect to an existing redirect slug
[09:52] <bigcalm> so: /+ -> /gplus -> happy fun time
[09:53] <bigcalm> Though I do have the ability to put + at the end of slugs to stop the redirection and see what the original URL is, it won't work for /++ ;)
[10:00] <czajkows1i> Gary: ping
[10:19] <gord> for all the fuss some people make about the contributor agreement canonical has, i'v never once sent out a "hey can you sign up to the contributor agreement?" email to a contributor that ever caused a fuss, people seem fairly willing
[10:20] <Gary> czajkowski: hey ya, wassup?
[10:23] <knightwise> hahahah :) i love Xforwarding :)
[10:24] <czajkowski> Gary: tis ok now
[10:24] <Gary> phew
[10:26] <davmor2> Gary: czajkowski was lining you up for a slap I'll tell you ;)
[10:26] <Gary> nah, she knows I like them
[10:26]  * Gary tickles cz<tab>
[10:30] <MooDoo> can i have a slap please?
[10:30]  * andylockran slaps MooDoo 
[10:32] <MooDoo> i needed that :)
[10:36]  * Gary tickles MooDoo inappropriately
[10:37]  * MooDoo giggles 
[10:37] <MooDoo> oh behave
[10:42]  * davmor2 slaps MooDoo with a cricket bat, anything to help a friend :D
[10:42] <popey> shauno: where did you get your OWC data doubler?
[10:42] <popey> shauno: i.e. did you get it shipped from the US?
[10:47] <shauno> I did
[10:48] <shauno> owc & macsales are the same company. not seen much of their stuff elsewhere :/
[10:48] <shauno> funny enough tho, I ordered it the same day as my ram from the UK.  the datadoubler got here first
[10:59] <popey> shauno: http://shop.ebay.co.uk/i.html?_nkw=macbook+pro+caddy&_sacat=0&_odkw=macbook+pro+dvd+caddy&_osacat=0&_trksid=p3286.c0.m270.l1313
[11:02] <shauno> didn't think to try ebay .. I took the lazy option & got it bundled with the ssd & external dvd caddy
[11:10] <hoover> hi all
[11:42] <daubers> urgh, it's a telephone day today.
[11:46] <shauno> telephone day?
[11:47] <daubers> shauno: Constantly on the phone either giving support, or explaining system designs/capabilities
[11:47] <daubers> i.e. no actual engineering today
[11:47] <shauno> oh.  welcome to my life :p
[11:48] <daubers> shauno: This always happens when the bosses and the sales guy are out at the same time
[11:51] <czajkowski> c
[11:52] <daubers> d
[11:53] <brobostigon> z
[11:53] <knightwise> m
[11:54] <MooDoo> y m c a?
[11:54] <BigRedS> ddojsioc?
[11:55] <Laney> idkfa
[11:55] <MooDoo> wtf?
[11:55] <daubers> \o/ ^o^ o< /o\
[11:55]  * BigRedS bought that on steam the other day
[11:55]  * brobostigon fully expects someone to spell out leters in binary in a minute.
[11:55] <BigRedS> iddqd
[11:55] <shauno> I woulda, but they didn't have mac bulids :(
[11:57] <BigRedS> shauno: I assumed the licenses were transferable
[11:57] <BigRedS> are they not?
[11:57] <BigRedS> so if i've bought Doom I can play in on a windows box or a mac
[11:58]  * BigRedS ponders trying to get #hacking on twiter to be full of tweets about hacking
[12:06] <oimon> my android hpone space keeps filling up :( need to apply a custom rom soon
[12:06] <oimon> realised that none of my email or notifications had arrived on my phone all day due to space issues
[12:07] <MooDoo> oimon, cyanogen
[12:07] <oimon> yeah, how u getting on with it?
[12:08] <oimon> not looking forward to reinstalling all my apps again though :(
[12:09] <oimon> MooDoo: is there part of the process that saves the apps for you?
[12:11] <MooDoo> oimon, can't remember - try looking at this - http://forum.cyanogenmod.com/topic/20119-cyanogenmod-7-for-the-htc-desire-cdma-v703-5-may-2011/
[12:11] <oimon> cool cheers
[12:14] <knightwise> ahaa
[12:14] <knightwise> ommwriter is out for the ipad
[12:28]  * daubers misread that as oomwriter and wondered why anyone would want an out of memory writer?
[12:30] <knightwise> ah yes
[12:30] <knightwise> that would make a great procrastination tool
[12:32]  * daubers really needs a new videocamera :(
[12:38] <oimon> watching that video clip of dave grohl chuck someone out of his concert lol
[13:02] <MooDoo> *sigh* i'm so fed up
[13:06] <davmor2> MooDoo: that's tends to be the case after Lunch if you were still empty it's time to worry :D
[13:06]  * popey tickles MooDoo 
[13:07] <MooDoo> davmor2, smart arse.
[13:07] <MooDoo> popey, er not you as well
[13:07] <MooDoo> #dd4814 is the new black :) lol
[13:07] <popey> i was || that close to registering dd4814.com :D
[13:08] <popey> and the other one
[13:08] <MooDoo> lol
[13:08] <popey> but now I have said that, MooDoo will do it.
[13:08] <davmor2> haha
[13:08] <davmor2> popey: that's devious
[13:08] <MooDoo> popey, nope it's your idea :)
[13:08] <davmor2> MooDoo: why you fed up chap?
[13:08] <oimon> doesn't look much different from dd4813 though
[13:09] <MooDoo> davmor2, just having a lack of motivation day :)
[13:09]  * davmor2 preps the cattle prod
[13:09] <davmor2> MooDoo: I can help with that
[13:10] <MooDoo> lol
[13:12] <MooDoo> popey, yup looks like both domains are free ;)
[13:14] <davmor2> popey: what would you do with it just a page of orange and a page of purple (umh aubergine)
[13:14] <andylockran> happy days
[13:15] <MooDoo> i would do that, just for the hell of it :D
[13:15] <popey> howdy howdy howdy
[13:17] <davmor2> MooDoo: see popey goes out of his way to find you something to do and your not interested are you ;)
[13:17] <MooDoo> davmor2, i've just created a page of dd4824 and i'm not that nasty to have it as a web page......yuk lol
[13:19] <davmor2> MooDoo: well the other fun one would be a block of green with one pixel the right colour and play find the dd4814 and have linked to ubuntu.com :D
[13:20] <MooDoo> davmor2, if the domains are still available when i get paid, i'll register them :D
[13:20] <oimon> how much do domains cost noawadays?
[13:20] <oimon> £3?
[13:20] <MooDoo> nah
[13:20]  * oimon has never bought a personal domain
[13:21] <Azelphur> oimon something like that
[13:21] <Azelphur> lmao, nice pidgin...it's glitched out and is saying there's like 4 of each individual person in this channel
[13:21] <MooDoo> oimon .co.uk 5.58 which is for 2 years   .com 8.49 for 1 year
[13:22] <MooDoo> that ex vat
[13:26] <oimon> meh
[13:26] <MooDoo> ?
[13:26] <oimon> rather spend it on a curry lol
[13:27] <MooDoo> heh
[13:27] <oimon> my employer gives me unlimited web space if i want it
[13:27] <MooDoo> oimon, mine too ;)
[13:29] <andylockran> mine didn't
[13:29] <oimon> trying chromiumos again with my eee pc
[13:29] <andylockran> :@)
[13:29] <MooDoo> although i'm am self hosting at the mo in my garage :D
[13:29] <bigcalm> oimon: let me know how you get on
[13:30] <oimon> bigcalm: i don't have high hopes..failed a few months ago, can't remember why
[13:30] <hoover> hey biggie!
[13:30] <bigcalm> Ah well
[13:30] <bigcalm> Hi Hoovie :)
[13:35] <Laney> gwibber is quite plainly refusing to show me some tweets
[13:35]  * Laney stabs it
[13:36] <oimon> interested to see gwibber has been rewritten to work properly
[13:37] <MartijnVdS> does gwibber do g+?
[13:37] <oimon> not yet
[13:37] <oimon> nothing does yet
[13:37] <oimon> due to lack of api
[13:37] <Laney> tried to build the new version
[13:37] <Laney> nothing doing
[13:38] <oimon> boo
[13:38] <oimon> the only thing that could entice me back to gwibber was a rewrite from scratch :D
[13:38] <davmor2> Laney: you in oneiric?  if not then I thing a bunch of stuff won't build as it depend on gtk+ 3.0 iirc
[13:38] <Laney> davmor2: no
[13:38] <Laney> it ends up with some libdee api error
[13:39] <davmor2> Laney: it's available in LP libdee it's new to oneiric
[13:40] <Laney> i have it
[13:40] <MooDoo> hmmmm wonder if the next ubuntu-uk meeting should be a google+ hangout one :) that would be fun :)
[13:41] <Laney> i see, looks like it depends on some unmerged feature
[13:41] <Laney> :q
[13:41] <daubers> MooDoo: Unless you don't have a G+ account......
[13:42] <MooDoo> well there is that :)
[13:42] <davmor2> daubers: I think there are enough people that do that we can invite the people who aren't
[13:43] <Laney> aha
[13:43] <Laney> we have a build!
[13:44] <daubers> davmor2: We should really do a big meeting where we organise a dozen pub type locations around the UK and have a big hangout that way. 2 or 3 (or more) people to a G+ hangout thing
[13:45] <Laney> oh, no more multiple columns
[13:46] <oimon> Laney: would be nice to see a screenshot if poss
[13:46] <davmor2> oimon: there is a video
[13:46] <brobostigon> i still think, we have had success with mumble, and that works.
[13:46] <Laney> you don't want to see a screenshot of my desktop
[13:47] <davmor2> Laney: you can do just the open window :D
[13:47] <daubers> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-14135523 Pastafarianism ftw \o/
[13:48]  * oimon always likes to see desktop screenies
[13:48] <Laney> erm ok
[13:50] <Laney> http://orangesquash.org.uk/~laney/gwibber.png
[13:51] <oimon> wow looks ugly :-\
[13:51] <Laney> it looks better on the screenshots
[13:51] <Laney> probably my gtk theme
[13:53] <davmor2> oimon: http://ubuntuone.com/p/1487/
[13:55] <oimon> davmor2: doesn't work i'm afraid. however found this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZqoaB5uvm-k
[13:57] <davmor2> oimon: that similar
[13:58] <davmor2> oimon: I can't wait for it to arrive in oneiric
[13:59] <Laney> wah that I can't see my different twitter lists individually
[14:01] <oimon> chromium vanilla works on my office laptop but not the eee pc :(
[14:02] <Azelphur> just had an interesting convo with the irc protocol dev for pidgin :)
[14:03] <Azelphur> apparently he's open to patches on implementing all the missing irc support pidgin has
[14:04] <Azelphur> pidgin being a full featured irc client = cool, no? :P
[14:04] <davmor2> Azelphur: I see you mistake there you put a ? instead of a ! it's an easy mistake ;)
[14:05] <Azelphur> lol
[14:05] <oimon> Azelphur: which features?
[14:05] <Azelphur> all the unsupported irc commands that do nothing
[14:06] <Azelphur> he seems ok with a "Message from server" mechanic being added to the core, and any unhandled IRC command reply being sent to that
[14:06] <Azelphur> which would mean full support for all IRC clients \o/
[14:06]  * oimon uses pidgin for irc
[14:07] <oimon> + the irc plugins
[14:07] <Azelphur> same
[14:07] <Azelphur> but if you try and use any particularly useful commands, stats, motd, rehash, etc etc
[14:07] <Azelphur> you get no reply whatsoever
[14:08] <Azelphur> these can all be implemented reasonably easy in theory :)
[14:08] <Azelphur> unfortunately my C's a bit too weak to do it as I'm more of a snakes guy
[14:08] <davmor2> pidgin an empathy both do basic chat fine, and irc chat,  but I don't want them to do more than that,  for advanced features use a full blown client it's what they are there for and why they are better :D
[14:08] <Azelphur> I don't see why pidgin can't be a full featured IRC client tbh
[14:08] <oimon> pidgin is "better" for me because of docky integration
[14:09] <Azelphur> I like the multiprotocol myself :)
[14:09] <oimon> tells me the number of new messages via a number on the pidgin icon on the dock
[14:10] <Azelphur> but yea, it'd be interesting if all the replies could be handled
[14:10] <davmor2> oimon: I get the same thing from xchat in unity :D
[14:10] <oimon> ah, cool
[14:23] <hoover> cheers all!
[15:00] <davmor2> popey: If you see this do not approach him he is a dangerous axe murderer and Ubuntu and Mac Fanboy ;) http://randall.executiv.es/ucw_oneiric_15
[15:00] <davmor2> popey: you take a serious photo dude :)
[15:00] <popey> davmor2: you are not the first person to suggest I look like an axe murderer
[15:01] <popey> although why I would want to kill innocent axes is beyond me
[15:01] <directhex> BLARG. who understands django?
[15:01]  * popey points directhex at Daviey 
[15:01] <davmor2> directhex: I don't
[15:02] <davmor2> directhex I know a man in the pub who might
[15:04] <davmor2> popey: haha nice, maybe the axe attacked your family then you'd want to murder it, you know it's true,  you're getting angry with axes now just thinking about it you know you are ;)
[15:04] <popey> i am at peace with axes
[15:05] <dutchie> directhex: i have been known to write in django once or twice, but nothing particularly deep...
[15:05] <gord> i miss django :) it was kinda like minecraft, you started with nothing and built everything yourself rather easily
[15:05] <directhex> ImportError: Could not import settings 'chronophage.settings' (Is it on sys.path? Does it have syntax errors?): No module named chronophage.settings
[15:09] <davmor2> popey: hippy! ;)
[15:09]  * popey points davmor2 at dholbach
[15:09] <davmor2> popey: Why?
[15:10] <popey> nvm
[15:38] <AlanBell> evening all
[15:38] <popey> Pip pip!
[15:38] <brobostigon> afternoonings AlanBell
[15:39] <gord> ahoy-hoy
[15:39]  * AlanBell is in the pub so it is evening
[15:39] <davmor2> AlanBell: Hello
[15:40]  * brobostigon is jealous of AlanBell 
[15:40] <brobostigon> although it is beer festival in my local, this weekend, :)
[15:41] <AlanBell> theopensourcerer is here too
[15:42] <brobostigon> cool. business or pleasure ? or both.
[15:42]  * popey wonders which pub
[15:43] <davmor2> popey: the one by the road
[16:24] <MartijnVdS> with the people?
[16:25] <davmor2> MartijnVdS: you been there too
[16:25] <MartijnVdS> davmor2: all the time
[16:25] <brobostigon> fternoonings MartijnVdS nd davmor2 o/
[16:25] <MartijnVdS> evening brobostigon ;)
[16:25] <davmor2> lo brobostigon
[16:25] <brobostigon> :)
[16:25] <popey> brobostigon: found a white eee 900
[16:26] <brobostigon> popey: :)
[16:26] <MartijnVdS> it seems like ANY qt app on oneiric + unity is broken atm..
[16:26] <MartijnVdS> QWidget::setMinimumSize: (/MainWindow) The largest allowed size is (16777215,16777215)
[16:29] <MartijnVdS> Calibre, Picard, VLC
[16:30] <brobostigon> popey: wht cn i do, to acquire it or parts from it, from you, plese.
[16:31] <gord> MartijnVdS, fairly up to date, qt apps work fine here
[16:31] <MartijnVdS> gord: maximized?
[16:31] <gord> yup
[16:31] <MartijnVdS> gord: I don't have appmenu-qt installed, could that me causing it?
[16:32] <MartijnVdS> compiz (opengl) - Info: Couldn't bind redirected window 0x4e00042 to texture
[16:32] <gord> i use kdevelop as my IDE for unity, i would know if qt was broken ;)
[16:32] <dutchie> directhex: does ./chronophage/settings.py exist?
[16:32] <MartijnVdS> gord: oh and lots of thins like this  throughout the day:
[16:32] <MartijnVdS> WARN  2011-07-13 18:25:56 glib <unknown>:0 Failed to fetch view type at /org/ayatana/bamf/application0x11868e0: Method "ViewType" with signature "" on interface "org.ayatana.bamf.view" doesn't exist
[16:33] <gord> sounds like your system be crazy
[16:33] <directhex> dutchie, yeah. turns out it was a permissions error.
[16:33] <popey> brobostigon: what's up with your one?
[16:33] <MartijnVdS> gord: it's a normal Oneiric system as far as I can tell
[16:34] <dutchie> directhex: ah, ok :)
[16:34] <brobostigon> popey: dead keyboard, due to me bad handling of a cup of coffee. most of the keys are dead.
[16:35] <brobostigon> to my*
[16:35] <MartijnVdS> aww
[16:35] <directhex> dutchie, turns out www-data wasn't in the group which owned the files, which only mattered for the file which wasn't a+r
[16:36] <popey> brobostigon: but the computer itself works?
[16:36] <brobostigon> popey: everything up to now, tht i have tested, seems to be working fine, yes.
[16:37] <brobostigon> i had some concerns about the touchpad, but that seems to be working fine.
[16:41] <dutchie> directhex: ah yes
[16:42] <ikonia> directhex: thank you for the note on custom text tones, you have made my day
[16:42] <ikonia> popey: your collectors card is out of date
[16:42] <directhex> ikonia, thank keybuk, saw it on his twitters
[16:42] <popey> how so?
[16:42] <ikonia> popey: it doesn't say Community council
[16:43] <ikonia> directhex: I'm aroused by this
[16:43] <popey> thats not out of date
[16:43] <ikonia> popey: oh : ?
[16:43] <popey> thats just "it doesnt fit"
[16:43] <ikonia> ahhhh
[16:43] <ikonia> it's doing you a disservice
[16:43] <popey> hah
[16:43] <MartijnVdS> it's not on the other side of the picture? :P
[16:43] <popey> its underneath it
[16:43] <popey> peel it back
[16:44] <ikonia> I was hoping for a picture of his bum in tight pants
[16:44] <MartijnVdS> in the alt tag
[16:44] <popey> you need to get your fingernail right under it
[16:44] <ikonia> (on the reverse)
[16:44] <popey> O_O
[16:44] <popey> ⍥ even
[16:44] <MartijnVdS> ಠ_ಠ
[16:52] <brobostigon> popey: i think i might just get s simple usb keyboard, probeblky cheaper than trying to buy a new eeepc keyboard, i dont know yet.
[16:52] <popey> well I am happy to post this one to you
[16:53] <brobostigon> popey: thank you, how much do you want me to paypal you?
[16:54] <popey> well.. have you seen there are loads on ebay
[16:55] <popey> mostly under a tenner, many with free postage
[16:55] <daftykins> hey all
[16:55] <brobostigon> popey: i havent looked on ebay yet.
[16:55] <popey> I'm kinda busy and it's hard for me to get to the post office, so can't guarantee when I can post it
[16:55] <popey> http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Asus-Eee-PC-EeePC-700-701-900-901-UK-Keyboard-Black-/270607965511?pt=UK_Computing_ComputerComponents_KeyboardsMice&hash=item3f017ddd47
[16:55] <popey> for example
[16:55] <popey> so if you're in a hurry, don't want for mine
[16:56] <brobostigon> popey: no,i am in no rush, i digged out the thinkpad we had the xorg issues with, a few years ago.
[16:57] <brobostigon> i will also research on ebay, as i havent looked there yet.
[16:57] <brobostigon> although, as i found out then, it barely runs a terminal, and FF inside 121mb ram.
[16:58] <brobostigon> popey: thank you.
[16:58] <MartijnVdS> Time to try chrome/chromium?
[16:58] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: works even slower on this thinkpad. than the version of FF i had on 9.10,
[16:59] <MartijnVdS> I think I'll just take my Xoom next week
[16:59] <MartijnVdS> (to London)
[16:59] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: but there isnt much me trying to upgrade it. if so, i would probebly be putting debian on it, rather than ubuntu now. as it is more ram friendly.
[17:01] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: and yes, i have chrome nd chromium from that period on this machine.
[17:01] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: must be a really tough old machine :)
[17:02] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: quite, my thinkpad is/ws, i bought it ten years ago, while at college.
[17:02] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: <1GHz?
[17:02] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: 333mhz/
[17:03] <MartijnVdS> I remember my first laptop
[17:03] <MartijnVdS> a 600MHz thingy
[17:03] <brobostigon> :)
[17:03] <MartijnVdS> took it to the first UDS (not called that yet) in '04
[17:03] <MartijnVdS> december of '04
[17:04] <brobostigon> cool
[17:05] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: atm, as it was two years ago, it has openbox, with xterm, and that is about it.
[17:05] <MartijnVdS> I sold mine long ago
[17:06] <MartijnVdS> first, I replaced it with a https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LaptopTestingTeam laptop
[17:06] <brobostigon> it is my first, i dont think i would ever get rid of it. it is dead reliable aswell.
[17:06] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LaptopTestingTeam/HPNW8240
[17:09] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: :)
[17:10] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: I had a 1920x1200 screen in 2005 :) that rocked
[17:10] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: cool, :) yeah.
[17:13] <Laney> imagine you have a 500gb drive and 2x1gb in raid 1. how would you lay out a new installation?
[17:13] <MartijnVdS>  /, /home
[17:13] <popey> +1
[17:14] <Laney> spiffing idea
[17:14] <popey> or put it all on / on raid 1 and use the 500 for backups
[17:14] <MartijnVdS> maybe /data and have /home and /srv be a symlink to /data/home and /data/srv so they share the room
[17:14] <popey> redundancy and backups \o/
[17:15] <MartijnVdS> backups of backups \o/
[17:15] <Laney> i'll probably put /etc on there
[17:15] <Laney> as well
[17:15] <MartijnVdS> Laney: that might be harder
[17:15] <MartijnVdS> Laney: as /etc is (a) small, and (b) /etc/fstab is required for a few booting bits
[17:15] <MartijnVdS> Laney: also, /etc/init*
[17:16] <Laney> before drives are mounted?
[17:16] <MartijnVdS> Laney: only / is mounted at first.. it needs /etc/fstab to mount the rest
[17:16] <MartijnVdS> Laney: if /etc/fstab is on a different fs, it won't work
[17:17] <MartijnVdS> Laney: also, it won't know it should even do that if there are no init scripts/upstart jobs in /etc because /etc isn't there yet
[17:23] <Laney> you could do it in the initramfs
[17:23] <MartijnVdS> You could, but it would be fragile and prone to break
[17:24] <Laney> not necessarily
[17:25] <Laney> anyway, i'll probably use etckeeper instead
[18:29] <Azelphur> Does anyone know what the input device is in this video? it looks pretty awesome :o http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lTx3G6h2xyA
[18:29] <Azelphur> also, the video in general is awesome, how someone can mix 39 songs together, live, and have it sound that awesome is just plain awesome.
[18:32] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: matrix sequencer?
[18:33] <Azelphur> looks like that's the right sort of thing, but was after specifics :)
[18:33] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: mail them and ask :)
[18:33] <Azelphur> haha
[18:34] <MartijnVdS> why not?
[18:34] <Azelphur> yea, I'll probably drop a comment
[18:35] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: http://www.synthtopia.com/content/2009/10/12/the-livid-block-may-just-be-the-sexiest-matrix-controller-yet/ ?
[18:35] <Azelphur> fun :P
[18:35] <MartijnVdS> http://lividinstruments.com/hardware_block.php <-- it seems to be one of these
[18:36] <MartijnVdS> maybe a different model, but definitely like that
[18:36] <Azelphur> yea, like that but a different model
[18:36] <Azelphur> maybe not the same manufacturer either :P
[18:36] <MartijnVdS> the buttons look the same..
[18:36] <MartijnVdS> slightly brighter in the middle
[18:37] <Azelphur> MartijnVdS: found it in the comments, http://www.google.co.uk/products/catalog?client=ubuntu&channel=cs&q=launchpad&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=shop&cid=2285170420371418399&sa=X&ei=8uUdTvDLDMnNhAemp8nCBw&ved=0CE8Q8wIwAw
[18:37] <Azelphur> :)
[18:38] <MartijnVdS> ok so it's only 1/4 the price.. :)
[18:40] <Azelphur> haha
[18:40] <dogmatic69_> o/
[18:41] <Pendulum> popey: is all your 'install Ubuntu on a Mac' stuff about completely wiping the drive before you install or is it using bootcamp?
[18:43] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: you'll probably love Girl Talk as well, if you like mashups like this
[18:44] <Azelphur> MartijnVdS: link? :)
[18:44] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: http://illegal-art.net/allday/
[18:44]  * Azelphur downloads
[18:44] <Azelphur> pro at masculinity, downloading music called girl talk
[18:45] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: he's a dude though
[18:45] <Azelphur> :)
[19:05] <ali1234> Azelphur: he says what it is in the video description. why do people never reeeeaaaaaad it?
[19:07] <Azelphur> haha, I did read it funny enough I just went straight past it
[19:07]  * Azelphur facepalms
[19:07] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: liking All Day?
[19:07] <Azelphur> MartijnVdS: downloading, big file
[19:08] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: didn't you select a multi-file version?
[19:08] <ali1234> its still OBZ
[19:09] <Azelphur> that's just a zip
[19:09] <ali1234> i've got like 800mb of mash ups on a cd somewhere, from like 2003 when this stuff was all the rage and everyone was doing it
[19:10] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: it's still fun to listen to
[19:10] <daubers> lo
[19:10] <Azelphur> haha
[19:11] <popey> evening all
[19:11] <popey> Pendulum: "my" "install ubuntu on a mac"?
[19:11] <Pendulum> popey: I thought you'd written up about installing Ubuntu on a mac somewhere
[19:13] <popey> newp
[19:13] <Pendulum> ah okay. nevermind then :)
[19:14] <daftykins> i've never gotten a proper answer on whether it requires bootcamp use or can just be booted from the disc either, Pendulum
[19:14] <daftykins> not that i own one, but i helped a couple of people once
[19:15] <Pendulum> one of my mates may try Ubuntu used bootcamp
[19:17] <jacobw> Tense mismatch
[19:17] <MartijnVdS> Parse error. Core dumped.
[19:19] <daubers> MartijnVdS: ewww.... not in the chat room!
[19:21] <MartijnVdS> daubers: but.. but..!
[19:26] <Pendulum> it's a brain fail day in my world. the fact that tense match is all I got wrong is good
[19:30] <shauno> I don't think bootcamp is required is the machine is anywhere near recent (say, last 4 years, ish)
[19:31] <shauno> *if the ..
[19:31] <Pendulum> shauno: the person wants to dual boot for a while to get used to the OS
[19:32] <shauno> that shouldn't be a problem.  the main bit bootcamp helps with now, is shrinking the existing partition & such
[19:32] <Azelphur> MartijnVdS: seems pretty good, it's not as impressive when it's not done live though :p
[19:32] <Azelphur> it was more impressive because madeon did the whole thing on the fly
[19:33] <ali1234> he didn't do the whole thing live
[19:33] <shauno> if the machine is old enough that it came with tiger (10.4) preinstalled, it'd need bootcamp to add the legacy-compatibility stuff to the efi.  if it shipped with 10.5 or newer, it should be good out of the box
[19:33] <ali1234> most of the set is programmed into ableton
[19:33] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: http://ripremix.com/ -- watch that :)
[19:33] <Azelphur> ali1234: a lot of it is live :p
[19:34] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: less than you think
[19:35] <Azelphur> good old copyright
[19:36] <Azelphur> MartijnVdS: I can see what's going on, being a musician :p
[19:36] <Azelphur> he's ripped certain parts of the song out before hand
[19:36] <Azelphur> and the vast majority of it is him playing the clips live
[19:37] <Azelphur> either that or he's just pressing buttons that do nothing in sync with the music :)
[19:38] <Azelphur> impossible to tell the difference though on a pad like that, where as with a piano it's much easier to pick off if someone is actually playing
[19:39] <ali1234> all he is doing is muting and unmuting tracks which are all already playing in sync
[19:39] <Azelphur> yea, I can see that
[19:39] <Azelphur> except that he's not, for large parts of the song he's actually got the thing rigged up like an instrument
[19:40] <Azelphur> plus he's clearly following all the songs and knows where each one is at when he brings it back in
[19:40] <Azelphur> which is a hell of a thing to do live
[19:40] <ali1234> he knows where it is because he's already cut out and looped and synced that part and programmed it
[19:41] <Azelphur> yea I can see what your saying, the buttons are loops from each song
[19:42] <Azelphur> but yea it's still impressive to me :)
[19:42] <Azelphur> and I'm a classical pianist, so it takes a reasonable amount to impress me
[19:46] <oimon1> trying to root & load CM7 on my phone...getting scared
[19:47] <Azelphur> oimon1: what's up?
[19:47]  * Azelphur does his phones on day 1 :P
[19:47] <oimon1> first it failed cos i didn't have enough space
[19:47] <oimon1> then it rebooted the phone a few times..was getting scared.
[19:48] <oimon1> now doing a nandroid backup
[19:48] <Azelphur> you got recovery working?
[19:48] <oimon1> performing backup now
[19:48] <Azelphur> you got nothing to worry about if you have recovery
[19:48] <Azelphur> you can't really brick if you have recovery
[19:49] <Azelphur> what phone you flashing?
[19:50] <oimon1> htc desire. which method is best for flashing with CM7? http://wiki.cyanogenmod.com/index.php?title=HTC_Desire_%28CDMA%29:_Full_Update_Guide#Flashing_CyanogenMod has 2 methods
[19:50] <Azelphur> oimon method 1 is a GUI for method 2 :)
[19:51] <oimon1> oh LOL
[19:51] <Azelphur> ROM Manager is a GUI for Clockwork recovery
[19:51] <Azelphur> lol
[19:52] <Azelphur> oimon you using clockwork right?
[19:52] <oimon1> umm
[19:52] <Azelphur> you trying to flash a nightly or release?
[19:53] <Azelphur> when you was doing a nandroid backup, you rebooted into recovery right?
[19:53] <oimon1> using clockwork yes
[19:53] <Azelphur> cool, I like clockwork recovery :)
[19:53] <oimon1> via unrevoked
[19:55] <Azelphur> oimon nightly or release?
[19:56] <oimon1> stable 7.0.3
[19:57] <Azelphur> oimon1:  use rom manager then, nice and easy press button receive cyanogenmod
[19:58] <oimon1> Azelphur: should i factory reset or format anything first?
[19:58] <bigcalm> I'm surprised at how long 7.1rc1 has been out without an rc2
[19:58] <Azelphur> oimon1: for first flash, it's generally a good idea to wipe before and after the flash
[19:59]  * Azelphur lives on the edge, rom manager with the nightlies :P
[19:59] <oimon1> scary man
[19:59] <bigcalm> Azelphur: which device?
[19:59] <Azelphur> HTC Desire Z
[19:59] <bigcalm> Ok
[19:59] <Azelphur> oimon1: the other day for april fools cyanogen made my phone have lots of ducks :(
[20:00] <oimon1> Azelphur: but ROM manager does the wiping for me?
[20:00] <Azelphur> oimon1: yep, just tick the wipe button
[20:00] <Azelphur> and you obviously want google apps too
[20:01] <Azelphur> oh wait, I'm not on cyanogen nightlies any more, I'm on miui
[20:01] <Azelphur> I wonder if rom manager does miui yet
[20:01] <oimon1> if it was a laptop i'd be 100% confident of this
[20:01] <oimon1> but phones...
[20:01] <Azelphur> oimon1: what you worried about?
[20:01] <oimon1> bricking and/or losing cool setup
[20:02] <oimon1> and not being able to get the phone back how i liked it
[20:02] <Azelphur> oimon1: you can always download the firmware from htc and flash via recovery
[20:02] <Azelphur> if you completely brick the OS
[20:02] <Azelphur> so there's not much worry there
[20:02] <oimon1> cool
[20:03] <Azelphur> with android recovery you just get "update.zip" files
[20:03] <BigRedS> you can brick to the point where you can't get into recovery, though
[20:03] <BigRedS> I'm told it's hard, but I did manage it :(
[20:03] <oimon1> how?
[20:03] <Azelphur> BigRedS: indeed, but that's very difficult to do
[20:03] <Azelphur> how on earth did you do it?
[20:03] <oimon1> panicking and unplugging half way>
[20:03] <oimon1> ?
[20:03] <Azelphur> haha
[20:03] <BigRedS> No idea, flashed a rom, took hours so I left it be overnight
[20:03] <BigRedS> Got back to it and it was off, wont boot beyond showing the battery logo
[20:04] <BigRedS> It was a galaxy S, apparently they do sometimes have flaky USB power somethingorother, so that may be to blame
[20:04] <oimon1> did you ever get the phone unbricked?
[20:04] <BigRedS> nah, I've got to take it to a T-mobile shop and claim ignorance...
[20:04] <Azelphur> haha, that solves everything \o/
[20:05] <Azelphur> did you hear samsung shipped a S2 to the CM devs?
[20:05] <BigRedS> We tried making one of the special leads to get it into download mode, but that didn't have any effect, pondered getting a jtag but I'm gonna try for warranty first :)
[20:05] <Azelphur> that phones gonna be shiny :D
[20:05] <BigRedS> yeah, a couple of mates have got them
[20:05] <Azelphur> BigRedS: have you tried fastboot?
[20:05] <BigRedS> I think if I had an S2 I'd probably not feel an immediate need to re-'rom' it
[20:05] <Azelphur> hehe
[20:05] <BigRedS> Azelphur: not knowingly; what is it?
[20:06] <Azelphur> BigRedS: it's a low level thing that you can send the phone a recovery image from
[20:06] <BigRedS> I've a DHD from work now, which is why I'v enot gout round to sorting the Galaxy out
[20:06] <Azelphur> it's the thing before recovery
[20:06] <BigRedS> Azelphur: yeah, I think that's 'download mode'. Needed to create a USB cable with the right resistance between two of the pins
[20:06] <Azelphur> nope, none of that o.O
[20:06] <BigRedS> next down, AIUI, is JTAG which is very wrranty voiding
[20:07] <Azelphur> you just plug into USB with normal cable and boot the phone holding volume or something
[20:07] <Azelphur> and it goes into a manufacturer menu and waits for an image from USB
[20:07] <BigRedS> Oh, those
[20:07] <BigRedS> yeah, that is download mode
[20:07] <Azelphur> I also think you can do it by putting a file with a special name on the SD card
[20:07] <Azelphur> and it'll just flash it straight
[20:07] <BigRedS> the buttons didn't work, so we made the cable which is a secondary thing
[20:07] <Azelphur> I see
[20:07] <BigRedS> Azelphur: the htc gold cards? Not found a samsung equivalent
[20:07] <Azelphur> fun
[20:07] <BigRedS> i'll have a bit of a look into it, though
[20:08] <Azelphur> oh well, warranty saves the day hopefully :)
[20:08] <Azelphur> oimon1: progress? :P
[20:08] <oimon1> rom download complete
[20:08] <BigRedS> yeah. And works' desire HD sort-of softened the blow :)
[20:08] <Azelphur> oimon1: :D
[20:08] <oimon1> giving me a few options
[20:09] <oimon1> backup existing rom, wipe data and cache and wioe dalvik cache
[20:09] <Azelphur> I suppose you want all 3 :)
[20:09] <oimon1> i think i already backuped the existing rom (via nandroid backup?)
[20:09] <Azelphur> yep, nandroid backups are just dd images fyi :)
[20:10] <Azelphur> so yea, you can just wipe and boot.
[20:14] <oimon1> decided to do a titanium backup first
[20:15] <oimon1> should do this while watching the apprentice
[20:15] <oimon1> /should/should not/
[20:15] <Azelphur> oimon1: titanium only backs up apps
[20:15] <Azelphur> nandroid is the one you want, titanium is largely useless
[20:15] <oimon1> done nandroid too
[20:15] <oimon1> :)
[20:15] <oimon1> but thanks for the concern
[20:16] <Azelphur> yw :)
[20:28] <oimon1> Azelphur: tried rom manager to update the rom but got the ! in a triangle :(
[20:28] <Azelphur> :(
[20:30] <Azelphur> oimon1: try going to recovery and doing a full wipe
[20:30] <Azelphur> and then boot again
[20:30] <Azelphur> if that fails, download cyanogenmod from the website and manually flash it in recovery
[20:32] <oimon1> trying a manual flash
[20:33] <oimon1> this is stressy
[20:35] <oimon1> taking a long time to boot :S
[20:37] <oimon1> BigRedS: what's the battery logo?
[20:37] <oimon1> just showing circle logo at the mo
[20:46] <Azelphur> oimon1: I just rom manager flashed MIUI on my DZ :)
[20:47] <oimon1> something is happening..
[20:47] <oimon1> had to pull the battery and go back into recovery
[20:47] <oimon1> :(
[20:47] <Azelphur> :(
[20:47] <BigRedS> oimon1: the logo it shows when it's charging
[20:47] <BigRedS> when it's off
[20:47] <oimon1> i don't have one of those logos
[20:48] <oimon1> looks like the update is occuring :S
[20:51] <oimon1> ooh it worked
[20:51] <oimon1> that was scary
[20:52] <Azelphur> oimon1: woo\ o/
[20:53] <BigRedS> whoo!
[20:53] <Azelphur> oimon1: you might wanna try MIUI btw, it's cyanogenmod but with added shiny
[20:53] <BigRedS> yeah, the first go is a bit scary
[20:53] <BigRedS> And the first one on each device always takes longer than you're sure the first go on the last device took
[20:55] <daftykins> i still haven't tried a modded ROM
[20:55] <daftykins> i don't see any reason to
[20:55] <popey> evening all
[20:55] <daftykins> my Desire gets gingerbread soon :O
[20:55] <jacobw> there's one very good reason to..
[20:55] <jacobw> its fun :D
[20:56] <daftykins> hah
[20:56] <daftykins> not really enough ;)
[20:56] <popey> brobostigon: slight problem, I just powered up what I thought was a dead EEE 900.. and it's alive!
[20:56] <jacobw> :o
[20:56] <daftykins> could be temporary
[20:58] <brobostigon> popey: thats well, :)
[20:59] <popey> well, its bad for you :D
[20:59] <popey> no spare kb now
[20:59] <popey> as I would like to give these to my kids
[20:59] <brobostigon> yes, but it is good it boots :)
[20:59] <popey> well yes :D
[20:59] <popey> if I can put an OS on them that they can use
[20:59] <popey> thinking about chrome os
[20:59] <brobostigon> ok, no worries.
[20:59] <popey> but can't find a recent build
[21:00] <brobostigon> no idea on thast one, oh well.
[21:00] <popey> so grabbing the source to try and build myself
[21:00] <brobostigon> thank you for your thought popey.
[21:03] <oimon1> Azelphur: up and runnign with CM7..thanks for the support:)
[21:03] <oimon1> my wife doesn't want it, says it looks like a man phone...she's right
[21:06] <daftykins> http://i.imgur.com/78QN1.jpg
[21:06] <daftykins> genius inventions
[21:07] <Azelphur> oimon1 yw
[21:12] <jacobw> daftykins: :o wow
[21:13] <jacobw> the ironing board is great :D
[21:13] <daftykins> :)
[21:13] <daftykins> the hairbrush strikes a chord with me, as i have long hair
[21:15] <jacobw> ah, that's what it waws.
[21:16] <jacobw> was* .. i thought it was a toothbrush :|
[21:16] <daftykins> XD
[21:16] <daftykins> the manky stuff that collects at the bottom is nasty >_<
[21:20]  * jacobw → night
[21:28] <JGJones> Does the Apple firewire iSight work in Ubuntu?
[21:32] <daftykins> http://www.engadget.com/2011/07/12/ben-hecks-xbox-360-automatic-disc-changer/
[21:39] <daftykins> Azelphur: you'd love the above
[21:39] <daftykins> more so if you game ^_^
[21:41] <Azelphur> daftykins: I would except console gaming got boring about 10 years ago :P
[21:41] <Azelphur> and CDs got boring at about the same time
[21:41] <daftykins> rubbish good sir!
[21:41] <daftykins> well, funny part is i install mine to the HDD in the xbox360, but you still need the disc in naturally ¬_¬
[21:41] <daftykins> with LA Noire recently, a 3 DVD game, this was not fun
[21:42] <directhex> ought to get around to la noire
[21:42] <directhex> still haven't finished alan wake & red dead zombiefest, tbh
[21:42] <shauno> consoles went downhill when I discovered my lightgun doesn't work with flatscreens :(
[21:42] <directhex> shauno, a sad realisation for all Zapper owners
[21:42] <daftykins> yeah i haven't gone back and 100%'d Alan Wake, but to be honest it wasn't that good to be worth of it :(
[21:42]  * funkyHat falls over
[21:43] <awilkins> The Wiimote does fix the zapper deficit
[21:43] <directhex> daftykins, i need to do the DLC.
[21:43] <daftykins> ah, i think i forgot to buy a second
[21:44] <daftykins> i never thought i'd say it, but i'm glad not to have the hassle of PC gaming anymore too
[21:45] <daftykins> not that it's ever too hard to get something working, but you don't even have to do that! :D