[00:27] <cyberanger> wrst: rare I take that much time offline (even when I read a book, I'm listening for a system beep from the client)
[00:32] <wrst> cyberanger: you doing ok todya?
[00:44] <cyberanger> wrst: fairly well
[00:45] <cyberanger> sore from earlier, but that's normal
[00:45] <cyberanger> few hours with an axe
[00:54] <wrst> ouch cyberanger, you get that mad at a computer?
[00:54] <cyberanger> no, firewood
[00:56] <wrst> hmm a strange day to worry about being warm ;)
[00:57] <Unit193> wrst: Good one...
[01:00] <wrst> but Unit193 i barely got above 80 today where I am at
[01:00] <wrst> so maybe cyberanger had the same forturne
[01:01] <Unit193> The one about being mad at the computert
[01:03] <wrst> ahh Unit193 :)
[01:03]  * wrst is slow tonight!
[01:06]  * Unit193 is slow in the summar.... 80F at 9pm (with 60% humidity)
[01:17] <cyberanger> wrst: somewhat low, and more preparing for later
[01:18] <cyberanger> Unit193: Being mad at the computert becuase spell check let you down?
[01:21]  * cyberanger couldn't resist
[01:23] <Unit193> cyberanger: I would love to have spell check in irssi, but I don't
[01:23]  * Unit193 was on the roof and took the time to drop a stick dow to the birds/bats (Angry birds?)
[01:25] <cyberanger> Unit193: vs weechat & aspell
[01:26] <cyberanger> I coulda sworn you used xchat though
[01:27] <Unit193> cyberanger: The last 3 times you versioned me, I was using irssi... There may be a way to use aspell with irssi
[01:40] <cyberanger> Unit193: idk, I never looked, I tried weechat for other reasons first, ssl & sasl support, socks5 support
[01:40] <cyberanger> (all of which are useful for using freenode with tor)
[01:41] <Unit193> I have never looked into socks5 for irssi, but ssl and sasl I am using now. However, I do like the weechat userlist on the side
[01:41] <cyberanger> sasl back then was new for most clients
[01:41] <cyberanger> irssi has had ssl for awhile too
[01:42] <cyberanger> but irssi lacked any socks proxy support (there are other options, like the mapaddress support, but that's a bit of a giveaway as to what sites I wished to visit)
[01:44] <Unit193> I do like that I can use the irssi proxy mode, it's quite cool (I don't really use it much though :P )
[02:15] <cyberanger> that's a good mode
[02:15] <cyberanger> but GNU Screen + OpenSSH (and too much shell acess) makes it less worthy
[02:17] <Unit193> Aye, that it does. I just used it to get sound with pidgin (hilight sounds are nice :) )
[02:18] <cyberanger> irssi does that on it's own
[02:18] <cyberanger> just disabled by default
[02:18] <cyberanger> and ubuntu has really gutted it out, a real pain
[02:21] <Unit193> No kidding! xfce-terminal really hates it! I can only get the bell if I VNC in, don't ask me why...
[02:21] <cyberanger> I hope your not using VNC straight over the internet (esp with passwords)
[02:22]  * wrst upgrades to alpha 2
[02:22] <cyberanger> no encryption
[02:22]  * cyberanger upgrades wrst to wheezy
[02:22] <cyberanger> ;-0
[02:22] <Unit193> I don't use VNC all that much (And really not from outside, and if I do, it's SSH tunneled!)
[02:23] <cyberanger> Unit193: it's Ubuntu's nail 9/10ths of the complaints about the terminal bell (I do get it's annoyance to a new user, but they documented 100 ways to disable it)
[02:25] <wrst> cyberanger: debian is nice, I may try it full time one of these days
[02:25] <cyberanger> now those 100 ways to disable it have turned into 150 steps to re-enable it (however I skip the issue, they didn't gut it in very low level packages, alternate install disc & cli install, then grab minimal packages for openbox to work & I have it_
[02:26] <Unit193> So if I use an alt install, I'll have the bell? That doesn't sound right...
[02:26] <cyberanger> wrst: I like it. they seem more sane about documenting things to solve any issue, compared to ubuntu (lousy compared to arch, but it's still reasonable)
[02:27] <cyberanger> Unit193: alternate disk, cli install and one step, sudo modprobe pcspkr
[02:27] <cyberanger> it's a package in ubuntu-desktop, kubuntu-desktop & xubuntu-desktop
[02:27] <cyberanger> that they loaded the bell crippling code into
[02:27] <Unit193> I did follow a few guides to enable it, but they didn't really work
[02:28] <cyberanger> I've not narrowed it fully to any single package yet
[02:28] <cyberanger> Unit193: did you enable it in irssi too?
[02:29]  * cyberanger seems to recall pleia2 having real nice irssi documentation, which I seem to have misplaced
[02:29] <Unit193> Long time ago as it works in puttyportable
[02:29] <pleia2> princessleia.com/irssi.php
[02:30] <pleia2> basic, but it does the trick
[02:30] <Unit193> She's stalking you...
[02:30] <pleia2> (mostly people find that page because they're trying to connect with SSL)
[02:31] <cyberanger> pleia2: that's the one I was thinking you showed me awhile (two years, year and a half?) ago
[02:32] <cyberanger> but I guess the irssi beep was another blog
[02:32] <pleia2> yeah, I don't do anything with beeps
[02:34] <cyberanger> pleia2: that reminds me, have you noticed how bloggers have more (valued) documentation than the wiki does
[02:34] <wrst> well cyberanger as you would do to me... www.quassel-irc.org ;)
[02:35] <pleia2> cyberanger: yeah, I understand it though - official documentation is scary and hard to get into, posting on blogs is quick and easy
[02:35] <cyberanger> wrst: I don't think I'd ever point you to quasse... OHHH
[02:35] <cyberanger> ;-)
[02:35] <wrst> oh yeah you would point me to something that takes 3 months to configure typing cryptic commands into the command line :P
[02:36] <cyberanger> pleia2: with how the documentation is now I agree, but we've had members metion arch
[02:36] <cyberanger> ''s documentation, I've looked at it, seems worth trying for ubuntu
[02:36] <cyberanger> I wonder what it would take to fix that up
[02:38] <wrst> yeah cyberanger I agree on documentation I think is a place ubuntu really lacks coherence atleast, you can generally find what you need but is it in the offcial docs, community docs, the ubuntu forums, etc.
[02:39] <cyberanger> pleia2: reason I ask that, is I was thinking that might be a worthwhile loco project, assist in fixing a common gripe, might go a long way towards approval too
[02:39] <pleia2> cyberanger: I'm not all that familiar with arch's documentation, wiki-based?
[02:39] <wrst> pleia2: yes
[02:39] <cyberanger> pleia2: I belive so
[02:39] <cyberanger> and wrst confirms quicker than I can verify
[02:40] <wrst> and while their documentation is great their community... well you would be better off getting tech support from satain :)
[02:40] <wrst> *satan
[02:40] <pleia2> cyberanger: ubuntu-us tried to do some documentation days several years back to clean up wiki documentation, but they never quite took off like I wanted them too, I think beginners team did a similar "summer of documentation" thing too
[02:41] <cyberanger> pleia2: to me, a way to describe arch is some of the ease of debian's apt-get (with a tool called pacman) but the flexability in configuration of slackware
[02:41] <cyberanger> making documentation a bit problematic
[02:41] <cyberanger> if it were of lesser quality
[02:43] <cyberanger> and ubuntu usually is jump in and go, if a new user has issues on a live disc, they ask in a forum or irc channel before install (or foolishly install, and get a bad expirence, head back to windows)
[02:43] <cyberanger> less need for handholding documentation
[02:43] <wrst> and cyberanger something that helps arch is that is totally cli so you don't have the issues with say a change to unity
[02:45] <cyberanger> pleia2: sorry to hear it was a bit of a setback last time, I do imagine it's a time consuming task, when your done on squid, the change over to squid3, new configuration syntax, one example I imagine
[02:45] <wrst> night everyone!
[02:45]  * pleia2 nods
[02:45] <pleia2> maybe there just need to be more efforts like that
[02:46] <pleia2> I think the problem in ubuntu is that the doc team has about 435424 responsibilities (official docs, wiki docs, team docs...) and the number of volunteers is relatively low
[02:46] <pleia2> their scope document at UDS was pretty insane
[02:46] <cyberanger> night wrst
[02:47] <pleia2> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/community-o-ubuntu-docs-goals-oneiric
[02:48] <pleia2> kinda makes your heads pin :)
[02:48] <pleia2> head spin too!
[02:49] <cyberanger> pleia2: yeah, it's hard being critical when in ways your part of the problem (such as being one more potential volunteer, but never actually volunteer to assist, in my case)
[02:50] <pleia2> I work with them some (particularly helping to get new contributors pointed in the right direction) but I am already overwhelmed with too-much-to-do as it is
[02:52] <cyberanger> pleia2: an example of a blogger that had an issue, did great documentation, all the legwork, trial & error, http://blogger.ziesemer.com/2008/10/ubuntu-linux-router-upgrade-project.html
[02:53] <cyberanger> when I got to it, it was much more complicated than lucid, all the bit with usb-modeswitch is now just apt-get install
[02:54] <cyberanger> adapted a little for Virgin Mobile's Broadband2go
[02:54] <cyberanger> that compared to the wiki, I'd still be trying with the wiki alone
[02:55]  * pleia2 nods
[02:55] <cyberanger> and yeah, I understand overwhelmed (part of why I try to not call upon leaders until it's most necessary, they're doing more than I am, usually, and I already have days I feel too much happened too quick)
[02:56] <Unit193> It may not be my place to comment, but I've even found forum posts to be much more helpful - old and new
[02:57] <pleia2> yeah, the forums are great
[02:57] <cyberanger> Unit193: your even free to comment in our meetings (unless the issue is strictly an in-tennessee issue, for our group, that's pretty much the votes)
[02:58] <cyberanger> Unit193: there isn't much we have offlimits, and no secrets ;-)
[02:58] <Unit193> cyberanger: I fine it's best to stay quiet in ANY meetings :/
[02:59] <Unit193> I also find it best
[02:59] <cyberanger> pleia2: yeah, the forums can be great (I've noticed a downside too, if it's a bit obscure for most, it'll go quiet, ignored, on a second page it's dead to most)
[03:00] <cyberanger> no one solution is right, but idk if any solution is utilized to it's proper potential, and it's a big issue, hard to fix
[03:00] <cyberanger> Unit193: including any in #ubuntu-us-oh ?
[03:01] <Unit193> cyberanger: I do say something, but mostly, yes
[03:01] <cyberanger> that'd be sad, that's your state loco, your opinion should count there, and be heard (your opinion counts here, and we value it ;-))
[03:02] <cyberanger> pleia2: that was a great blueprint
[03:07] <cyberanger> (and that reminds me, why is launchpad so ssl happy, prevents squid from caching anything, I get logins and such, but the whole domain, wow)
[03:07] <Unit193> I looked it up for fun: Last meeting (short one) 59 lines, 2 by me, one to say here, one comment (I guess I don't have much to add)
[03:09] <cyberanger> Unit193: lol, Guess so
[03:10] <cyberanger> pleia2: thanks for all that input
[03:12] <pleia2> sure, sorry it wasn't more positive :) I think I'm tired
[03:12] <cyberanger> pleia2: perhaps we'll have more luck if we do that, sounds worthwhile for our next meeting
[03:12]  * pleia2 nods
[03:12] <cyberanger> pleia2: sometimes that's just how it is though
[03:13] <cyberanger> I understand
[03:14] <cyberanger> wb Unit193
[03:14] <cyberanger> Unit193: better to know the setbacks anyhow, why make the same mistake twice ;-)
[03:14] <Unit193> cyberanger: Thanks, I really need to get this fixed (I thought I got it in time:( )
[03:15] <cyberanger> pleia2: better to know the setbacks anyhow, why make the same mistake twice ;-)
[03:15] <cyberanger> (whoops)
[03:15] <cyberanger> Unit193: yeah, well, we work with what we have at times
[03:19] <cyberanger> I wish I had 2 grand for some serious upgrades
[03:20] <cyberanger> easier to keep running though
[03:20] <cyberanger> cheaper too
[03:42] <cyberanger> wb Unit193
[03:42] <Unit193> Déjà vu
[03:43] <cyberanger> Unit193: lol
[03:43] <cyberanger> Unit193: lol
[03:43] <Unit193> It's kinda getting on my nerves
[03:46] <cyberanger> I bet
[03:46] <Unit193> Power outage and JITBot will go too. Maybe I need to reboot to update the kernel (Or change to the other one)
[03:46] <Unit193> ...And you don't know JITBot
[03:49] <cyberanger> Unit193: not offhand, no
[04:16] <Unit193> Hmmm... Was I supposed to tell you?
[04:19] <cyberanger> idk, were you?
[04:22] <Unit193> I have no idea... JITBot is a handy little guy that snarfs url titles, tells me the weather, has a bug snarfer, a few games, Nickometer ;), looks up packages, tells me info about zip codes, who is calling home and a few others
[04:22] <Unit193> I also have the ubottu factoids in him
[13:42] <Xpistos> Morning
[13:42] <Xpistos> How do I ls >> file.txt that shows all the directories in a give file recursive. I don't want all the files, but ls -Rd >> file.txt doesn't show me anything?
[13:47] <cyberanger> Xpistos: you just want directories?
[13:48] <Xpistos> yes
[13:48] <Xpistos> I need all the directors in this one directory
[13:48] <Xpistos> I have moved abunch of stuff so I went to go through folder by folder and put it where it belongs
[13:48] <cyberanger> what's the full path
[13:49] <Xpistos> to the parent folder?
[13:49] <cyberanger> yes
[13:49] <Xpistos> /data/hold
[13:49] <vychune> o/
[13:49] <cyberanger> find /data/hold/ -type d > file.txt
[13:50] <cyberanger> (if file.txt exists and you want to append instead of replace use >> instead of > )
[13:51] <cyberanger> Xpistos: I think that will give you what you have in mind, if it doesn't I might have misunderstood your goal
[13:51] <Xpistos> now that is good
[13:52] <Xpistos> I was tryig ot use ls for it
[13:52] <cyberanger> that's what you wanted then?
[13:52] <Xpistos> yes
[13:52] <cyberanger> ls is nice, but I found that shred likes files, won't take a directory full of files
[13:53] <cyberanger> and after that, learned find, which has a few good uses
[13:53] <cyberanger> my favorite is deleting LSO's (Flash Cookies)
[13:53] <cyberanger> find .macromedia/ -type f | xargs shred -fuvz
[13:54] <cyberanger> find .adobe/ -type f | xargs shred -fuvz
[13:55] <cyberanger> (Reason for that is Pandora is entirely a flash app, I don't like something meant to be just for me (it's customized radio, after all) to stick around when I clear & close firefox)
[13:55] <cyberanger> but it lead me to look into find more
[13:55] <cyberanger> it's often overlooked it seems
[13:59] <cyberanger> Xpistos: is that what you needed yesterday when you were looking for me?
[13:59] <Xpistos> no
[13:59] <Xpistos> yesterday I had another issue, but I thought, what you do and I got my answer
[14:00] <Xpistos> I couldn't connect SSH to my laptop
[14:00] <Xpistos> so I thought
[14:00] <Xpistos> Well do you have openssh installed
[14:00] <Xpistos> yes
[14:00] <Xpistos> are the ports blocked
[14:00] <Xpistos> no
[14:00] <Xpistos> do you have a firewall on that computer
[14:00] <Xpistos> DING!
[14:00] <Xpistos> port 22 not open on the firewall
[14:00] <Xpistos> issue solved
[14:00] <cyberanger> yes, iptables, and I guess your router was the one with your isse?
[14:00] <Xpistos> wrst said you wer onimpresent and he was right, I heard yo uin my voice
[14:01] <Xpistos> nope ufw
[14:01] <wrst> ha ha
[14:01] <Xpistos> on the laptp itself
[14:01] <cyberanger> (unless your like me, and enable iptables)
[14:01] <Xpistos> i will
[14:01] <cyberanger> ufw, another netfilter frontend
[14:01] <cyberanger> right
[14:01] <cyberanger> I use iptables to manage netfilter, ufw works too
[14:02] <Xpistos> I will but needed something easy and quick
[14:02] <Xpistos> ... with agui
[14:02] <vychune> o/
[14:02] <vychune> i missed you guys' tech talks lol
[14:03] <cyberanger> I'm nearly always nearby, a few hours later I was, unfortunately you got me on one of the few moments a month\
[14:03] <Xpistos> vychune: mine isn't as much tech talk as it is HELP ME PLEASE
[14:03] <cyberanger> when I'm not
[14:03] <Xpistos> lol
[14:03] <Xpistos> it was your time of the month
[14:03] <vychune> LOL
[14:04] <vychune> i having an ok day considering i was fired and put out
[14:04] <Xpistos> WHAT?
[14:04] <cyberanger> yeah, chopping wood and dragging it into storage before it rotted
[14:04] <cyberanger> (it was already down)
[14:04] <cyberanger> vychune: oh, that's never good
[14:04] <vychune> yeah
[14:04] <vychune> ill be ok
[14:06] <cyberanger> vychune: fired, not quit, laid off, position cuts, not good
[14:06] <Xpistos> vychune: where are you at? west, middle, east?
[14:06] <vychune> true
[14:06] <vychune> um...memphis lol
[14:06] <cyberanger> that makes HR jumpy, even if it was a misunderstanding, something resolvable
[14:07] <cyberanger> ah, memphis, well...
[14:07] <vychune> ?? whats that suppoesed to mean? HUHHHHHHHHHHH cyberanger?
[14:07]  * cyberanger holds that thought to himself for his own good, metions another thought instead
[14:07] <Xpistos> Horseys
[14:08] <vychune> no say it
[14:08] <cyberanger> vychune: well, in general (not the more detailed one I'm keeping to myself) Memphis has it rough right now as is
[14:08] <vychune> no other memphians here
[14:08] <cyberanger> possibly worse than anywhere else in TN
[14:08] <cyberanger> so it might be shrugged off some, depending on the actual reason
[14:09] <vychune> Hold on now what about.......well there's.........ok youre right lol
[14:09] <cyberanger> vychune: there are others in the loco, but not in channel atm
[14:10] <vychune> oh that was a statement not a question
[14:12] <cyberanger> (and the other two that come to mind, jfenn2199 isn't in IT, he's in the Medical indrusity, which is always short staffed, so he's reasonably safe, and netritious has his web hosting startup he's working on, so his shaky ground isn't memphis related, and in some ways perhaps somewhat safer with his job literally in his hands)
[14:13] <cyberanger> (he'll take the effort to fix his job issue, whearas some bosses look for reasons to play employee roullete (sorta like russian roulette, except no bullets and no death)
[14:13] <cyberanger> there is always some instability in a job market)
[14:15] <vychune> right
[14:15] <vychune> does he have a job opening?
[14:16] <cyberanger> idk, haven't heard any (and I'd by applying if I had)
[14:22] <vychune> LOL
[22:40] <wrst> cyberanger: any more thoughts on documentation and what we can do?