| scar[w] | good morning | 05:28 |
|---|---|---|
| superfly | morning scar[w] | 05:52 |
| Kilos | yay. Peter Nel is older than me | 07:07 |
| Kilos | morning superfly nuvolari and all others | 07:07 |
| Kilos | why doesnt someone invite him to come here for help? | 07:10 |
| Kilos | its hard waiting on the lists for help | 07:11 |
| Kilos | lo morgs Tonberry | 07:11 |
| morgs | morning Kilos, all | 07:11 |
| Tonberry | lo | 07:11 |
| morgs | Kilos: helps with what? | 07:12 |
| Kilos | he is battling with open office looks like | 07:12 |
| Kilos | or opening some documents | 07:13 |
| superfly | morning Kilos | 07:13 |
| Kilos | sorry for not saying night last night. vodacom decided to cut data connectivity but fones still worked | 07:14 |
| Kilos | sigh | 07:14 |
| Kilos | vodacom has really gone downhill in the last 2 months | 07:14 |
| Kilos | i dont know if its out of place for me to invite peeps to come here because i cant help them but shame he is more of a bally than me | 07:20 |
| Kilos | and i dont have 11.04 running | 07:20 |
| nuvolari | morning oom Kilos, superfly, Tonberry, morgs | 07:31 |
| morgs | Kilos: you can certainly invite people to come here... | 07:32 |
| Kilos | oh ty | 07:33 |
| Kilos | now reading the mails i am not sure if its peter nel or jan greef thats the bally | 07:47 |
| superfly | I think it's jan greef | 07:47 |
| Kilos | ok i will invite him ok? | 07:47 |
| scar[w] | morning Kilos | 07:52 |
| Kilos | hi there scar[w] howzit | 07:52 |
| scar[w] | can't complain, reading up on logrotate I always thought these things just sat in /etc/cron.monthly or something like that | 07:54 |
| * Kilos waves to nlsthzn | 08:20 | |
| nlsthzn | Hey uncle Kilos ... | 08:34 |
| Kilos | Maaz, coffee on | 08:40 |
| * Maaz flips the salt-timer | 08:40 | |
| Maaz | Coffee's ready for Kilos! | 08:44 |
| Kilos | Maaz, thanks man | 08:44 |
| Maaz | Kilos It gives me great pleasure to serve a bunch of geeks :-) | 08:44 |
| nlsthzn | Maaz: But why don't you want to server me...? Am I not geek enough :'( | 08:49 |
| Maaz | nlsthzn: Excuse me? | 08:49 |
| nlsthzn | See?! | 08:49 |
| Kilos | lol | 08:49 |
| Kilos | he is moody today | 08:50 |
| Kilos | Maaz, say hi to nlsthzn | 08:50 |
| Maaz | hi to nlsthzn | 08:50 |
| nlsthzn | Maaz: say I am a dumb *ss | 08:57 |
| Maaz | I am a dumb *ss | 08:57 |
| nlsthzn | :D | 08:57 |
| Kilos | Maaz, coffee for nlsthzn | 08:58 |
| Maaz | No, the arabs drink some concoction make from camel milk | 08:58 |
| superfly | "made" surely? | 09:00 |
| Kilos | huh? | 09:01 |
| Kilos | oh yes | 09:01 |
| Kilos | whew | 09:01 |
| Kilos | eish | 09:01 |
| Kilos | my editor is still up and awake | 09:01 |
| nlsthzn | hehe... it is a conspiracy | 09:02 |
| nlsthzn | hey superfly | 09:02 |
| superfly | hi nlsthzn | 09:05 |
| Kilos | ty for the info on the lists nlsthzn | 09:06 |
| nlsthzn | Just trying to help... :) but thanks for noticing... | 09:08 |
| Kilos | do we just wait for jan now or does he need more help nlsthzn | 09:18 |
| Kilos | ek sukkel bietjie partykeer | 09:18 |
| nlsthzn | I haven't really followed the thread... I am at work currently but I did see the oppertunity to assisit with getting on IRC... | 09:22 |
| nlsthzn | A quick help with little thought required :p | 09:22 |
| Kilos | ok ty nlsthzn | 09:22 |
| nlsthzn | But if he does decide to help himself and come here I am sure he will be assisted quickly :) - The caped Kilos watches over Gotham Channel... | 09:23 |
| Kilos | lol | 09:24 |
| Kilos | he is also a bally so this is a new experience most likely | 09:24 |
| Kilos | i also battled in the beginning. the fly helped me | 09:25 |
| Kilos | mornin Squirm2 | 09:48 |
| Kilos | lol | 09:48 |
| Kilos | 2 of you now | 09:48 |
| Kilos | morning maiatoday | 09:54 |
| Squirm2 | morning | 10:09 |
| === Squirm2 is now known as Squirm | ||
| Kilos | what is bumblebee for | 10:11 |
| Vhata_ | fertilizing flowers | 10:11 |
| Kilos | hehe | 10:12 |
| === Vhata_ is now known as Vhata | ||
| Kilos | Vhata, well said | 10:12 |
| Kilos | im trying to help jan get xchat going and see he gets things like this | 10:13 |
| Kilos | Processing triggers for libc-bin ... | 10:13 |
| Kilos | ldconfig deferred processing now taking place | 10:13 |
| Kilos | Setting up bumblebee (2.0.0-5~maverick) ... | 10:13 |
| Kilos | i dont even have bumblebee in synaptic | 10:14 |
| Vhata | http://ubuntumanual.org/posts/361/battery-drain-problem-bumblebee-to-the-rescue | 10:16 |
| nlsthzn | Depending on what it is he can have added it from a different PPA | 10:16 |
| nlsthzn | Yup... there is a PPA... | 10:17 |
| Kilos | wish he could get here | 10:17 |
| Kilos | lists hard work | 10:18 |
| Kilos | at least it looks like he is using maverick so maybe i can help him | 10:29 |
| Kilos | hi trev_ | 10:50 |
| trev_ | hello | 10:50 |
| Kilos | first time i heard of xchat battling to install | 10:50 |
| Kilos | hiya kodez | 10:53 |
| kodez | hola heita kilos, how are you today? | 10:53 |
| Kilos | good ty kodez and you | 10:53 |
| kodez | i'm better than yesterday, thanks for asking. | 10:54 |
| kodez | i managed to get ubuntu 11.04 DVD and am not winning in terms of configuring synaptic manager to get the remaining software from the disci. please held | 10:56 |
| kodez | please help | 10:56 |
| Kilos | sudo apt-get update | 10:57 |
| Kilos | then sudo apt-get upgrade | 10:57 |
| Vhata | aptitude | 10:59 |
| nlsthzn | aptitude has super cow powers | 10:59 |
| Kilos | i dont know if aptitude is in 11.04 Vhata | 10:59 |
| Kilos | had to install it in maverick | 10:59 |
| Vhata | you're kidding | 11:00 |
| Kilos | no | 11:00 |
| Kilos | its an installable package | 11:00 |
| Vhata | I thought it was replacing apt-get | 11:00 |
| Kilos | i dunno about natty | 11:01 |
| trev_ | so the only time you use atp-get is to apt-get isntall aptitude! | 11:01 |
| Kilos | thats what i did trev_ . used apt-get to install aptitude | 11:01 |
| Kilos | lol | 11:01 |
| kodez | i want to install all this applications from the DVD not internet. i want to know how to configure it to look for the application from the dvd | 11:02 |
| Kilos | ok open the dvd | 11:02 |
| Kilos | right click what you want to install | 11:02 |
| Kilos | and install with gdebi if its still there | 11:02 |
| Kilos | might have dependancy issues, but if they are also on the dvd you can then install them first | 11:03 |
| Kilos | gdebi will tell you what dependancies are needed | 11:04 |
| nlsthzn | aptitude replacing apt-get... that is a new rumour... syanptic being droped for software center isn't though :) | 11:06 |
| Kilos | but i think you will first need to do sudo apt-get update or sudo aptitude update | 11:07 |
| Kilos | to my understanding update tells you system there is more than what is on the cd/dvd | 11:08 |
| Kilos | i member with maverick i had to install gdebi as well | 11:15 |
| Kilos | i still havent found how to tell the system how to use a cd as a repo | 11:29 |
| Kilos | i think thats what kodez is looking for | 11:29 |
| nlsthzn | When inserting a CD with packages I normally get a message saying that a software source has been found and if I would like to scan it... | 11:35 |
| kodez | hi kilos, i appreciate your advice but that means i must consistently look for the packages one by one while if i can use synaptic package manager i can select multiple application | 11:35 |
| kodez | nlsthza, unfortunately that message is not coming up but suprisingly it does when insert the same DVD on my laptop. | 11:37 |
| kodez | i had installed ubuntu 64 bit on my pc using the dvd and a 32bit on my laptop using an alternate cd | 11:38 |
| Kilos | kodez, i could never find out how to use a local cd/dvdrom as a repo | 11:45 |
| Kilos | it woulda saved me many days of one package at a time | 11:45 |
| Kilos | but i read some there is a way to tell you pc to use the dvd as a repo but that long gone | 11:46 |
| |3o|3 | Kilos: dpkg-scanpackages | 11:46 |
| |3o|3 | You can use that to make a repo out of any group of packages | 11:46 |
| Kilos | ty |3o|3 | 11:46 |
| Kilos | kodez, ^^ | 11:47 |
| |3o|3 | I can't remember where the tutorial is for it that I used when I didn't have internet | 11:47 |
| Kilos | lol i not the only one that forgets or losing things | 11:48 |
| superfly | Kilos: apt-cdrom | 11:52 |
| nlsthzn | in software sources you should still see the installation DVD as a source but without it being selected... maybe look at how it looks... insert CD/DVD and add a new source that resembles that entry but with the new info about the new CD/DVD... (sorry at work on XP can't play and see to assist more) | 11:52 |
| superfly | Maaz: tell kodez apt-cdrom | 11:53 |
| Maaz | superfly: Got it, I'll tell kodez on freenode | 11:53 |
| Kilos | ty superfly | 11:53 |
| nlsthzn | apt-awesome upgrade superfly -fy | 11:54 |
| Kilos | lol | 11:54 |
| nlsthzn | maiatoday: http://i.imgur.com/24lvg.jpg made me think of you :p | 11:56 |
| * nlsthzn is a conversation killer of the highest caliber | 12:24 | |
| Kilos | what you did now | 12:25 |
| kodez | how can i mount an image (iso) file? i had forgotten the synatax | 12:28 |
| nlsthzn | After my last comment the channel was quiet for more than half an hour before I posted again :p | 12:28 |
| Kilos | hehe | 12:28 |
| nlsthzn | kodez: are you in terminal or in a GUI? | 12:28 |
| kodez | lol. unfortunately i was offline | 12:29 |
| Kilos | everything is quiet nlsthzn even jan hasnt come back to me | 12:29 |
| kodez | both but i am interested to mount using the terminal | 12:29 |
| kodez | the iso is in my desktop and i want to mount it to /media/iso | 12:30 |
| Kilos | he has a strange maverick that wont even install xchat | 12:30 |
| nlsthzn | kodez: sorry... I don't know how to mount that way (sad really) ... give me a few months... I got the book and I will pass the LPI exam before the year of the linux desktop | 12:30 |
| kodez | i must pass that exam too but must have a sturdy study program | 12:31 |
| Kilos | kodez, nuvolari and kbmonkey are going to do it online here soon | 12:31 |
| kodez | do what? do you mean the exam? | 12:32 |
| nlsthzn | kodez: cool... good luck... I know I will need it :p | 12:32 |
| Kilos | they are going to go through the whole course | 12:33 |
| kodez | kwl, i am available to learn. i must just get some more airtime | 12:33 |
| Kilos | they gave the link to download the manual they will be working through | 12:34 |
| nlsthzn | Kilos: Hmmm... that is good news... I have two free online study guides (suspect they will be using one of them) as well as a study guide by Sybex... | 12:34 |
| kodez | please pass the link again | 12:35 |
| Kilos | i am trying to find it | 12:35 |
| Kilos | gotta scroll back 3 days i think | 12:36 |
| Kilos | was 4.2meg | 12:36 |
| Kilos | http://www.linuxcertification.co.za/lpi-study-manual | 12:37 |
| nlsthzn | Kilos: your the man :) | 12:38 |
| Kilos | o.O | 12:38 |
| nlsthzn | Hmmm... don't think I have this one to be honest... Mr. Kilos please tell the guys to announce on the mailing list and/or on the web site when they plan on doing this | 12:38 |
| Kilos | i dunno how you guys gonna remember all those commands | 12:39 |
| Squirm | hmm, I also have a good manual somewhere | 12:39 |
| * Squirm browses bookmarks | 12:39 | |
| nlsthzn | man man | 12:39 |
| Kilos | this is the latest Squirm | 12:39 |
| kodez | thanks kilos | 12:39 |
| Kilos | yw kodez | 12:39 |
| nlsthzn | This is one of those I have... | 12:39 |
| kodez | fro the link | 12:40 |
| Kilos | for teachers too | 12:40 |
| Squirm | the shuttleworth foundation had study material | 12:41 |
| Squirm | tbh I dont know how up to date it is | 12:42 |
| nlsthzn | There has been a revision to the curriculum recently... 2010 I think | 12:42 |
| Kilos | nlsthzn, i will tell themj or ask them to do so. or do it for them | 12:51 |
| nlsthzn | Kilos: thanks :) depending on what they are planning I hope they have some notes etc. for anyone not able to be online when they do... as I am always off-line when it matters :p | 12:52 |
| Kilos | as far as i know nlsthzn they are going through the whole manual for anyone that needs help | 12:57 |
| Kilos | and there will always be the logs here to look back on | 12:58 |
| nlsthzn | Depending on how fast they go I might be able to keep up :) ... but the learning curve is steep... | 12:58 |
| Kilos | well hopefully i will have data to be with you all so mostly it will be at my speed | 12:59 |
| Kilos | hehe | 12:59 |
| Kilos | but with the manual you can go through it and check where you steek vas | 13:00 |
| nlsthzn | Kilos: Cool... so you going to become a 1337 *nix hacker too... sweet | 13:03 |
| Kilos | lol no man i have to keep going back to the manual for commands | 13:03 |
| Kilos | but if i can learn just a little it will be more than i know now | 13:04 |
| nlsthzn | I think you will be surprised how much you already know... every now and again I hear questions or see people do strange things and go "WTF!?" Then I realize that many things that have become second nature wasn't so a few years ago :) | 13:06 |
| Kilos | thats what makes it frustrating for lotsa guys to help us newbies | 13:11 |
| Kilos | like when i started i was given commands without sudo in the front mosta the time | 13:11 |
| Kilos | and couldnt get things to work | 13:11 |
| Kilos | at least now i remember sudo if it doesnt work without it | 13:12 |
| Kilos | and even a killer command to become root | 13:12 |
| Kilos | hehe | 13:12 |
| nlsthzn | In Ubuntu you really never have to be root... | 13:13 |
| nlsthzn | Make me a sandwhich | 13:13 |
| nlsthzn | No | 13:13 |
| nlsthzn | sudo make me a sandwhich | 13:13 |
| nlsthzn | :p | 13:13 |
| Kilos | i have had to when things went bad here | 13:14 |
| Kilos | twice sudo wasnt good enough | 13:14 |
| nlsthzn | They shouldn't ever get that bad :p | 13:14 |
| Kilos | ya but murphy lives here | 13:15 |
| nlsthzn | :) | 13:15 |
| Kilos | Maaz, coffee on | 13:16 |
| * Maaz puts the kettle on | 13:16 | |
| Kilos | nlsthzn, coffee time | 13:16 |
| Kilos | Maaz, coffee time | 13:17 |
| Maaz | It is always coffee time! | 13:17 |
| Kilos | Maaz, coffee for all | 13:17 |
| Maaz | Come on ya buncha geeks. Rock up with your mugs with the correct amount of sugar added already | 13:17 |
| kodez | what time will the class start? | 13:17 |
| Kilos | what class? | 13:17 |
| kodez | lpi? | 13:18 |
| Kilos | they will tell us when the are ready kodez | 13:18 |
| Kilos | they still working it all out | 13:19 |
| Kilos | nuvolari, ping | 13:19 |
| kodez | ok, i want to go to BP garage to get 8ta airtime and i don't want to loose. but i hope i will not loose that much if they will start before i'm back | 13:20 |
| Kilos | it wont be today kodez | 13:20 |
| Maaz | Coffee's ready for Kilos! | 13:20 |
| Kilos | Maaz, ty | 13:20 |
| Maaz | Enjoy Kilos | 13:20 |
| nlsthzn | :) | 13:29 |
| nlsthzn | I am having some tea...so there :p | 13:29 |
| Kilos | lol | 13:29 |
| Kilos | what can be blocking jan here please | 14:04 |
| Kilos | http://slexy.org/view/s21nsme6pk | 14:04 |
| Kilos | synaptic normally blocks it | 14:04 |
| nlsthzn | Social networking site blocked at work... sorry... | 14:07 |
| Kilos | np nlsthzn ty | 14:08 |
| Kilos | its the normall message you get if you sudo install and synaptic is open | 14:09 |
| Kilos | all he has open is thunderbird and skype | 14:09 |
| Kilos | i dunno what thunderbird is | 14:10 |
| Kilos | told him to do sudo apt-get update and upgrade | 14:11 |
| Kilos | he says this now | 14:11 |
| Kilos | I'm currently running updates Miles, perhaps that will help. The UMgr | 14:11 |
| Kilos | says it has to do a partial upgrade due to some problems with updates, | 14:11 |
| Kilos | will keep in touch. Perhaps it has to do with my aborted attempt to | 14:11 |
| Kilos | remove CompizConfig from the system. | 14:11 |
| Kilos | sigh | 14:11 |
| nlsthzn | ah... I know | 14:13 |
| nlsthzn | but not exactly | 14:13 |
| Kilos | lol | 14:13 |
| nlsthzn | there will be a file that is showing that the system is busy... basically locked that needs to be either edited or deleted... I am not sure what file and not sure which option | 14:13 |
| Kilos | shame he must be so frustrated, we been at it all morning | 14:14 |
| Kilos | hopefully his updates fixes his prob | 14:14 |
| nlsthzn | rm /var/lock/rpm/transaction | 14:15 |
| nlsthzn | there is a file that needs deleting ... this command seems suspect cause it says rpm... got it from google | 14:15 |
| Kilos | he will let me know as soon as he has done updating | 14:16 |
| nlsthzn | but this happens when a previous session was terminated worngly and the lock it created isn'r removed | 14:16 |
| nlsthzn | I think that is the issue as I have only the info of the last half hour in IRC to go on :p | 14:16 |
| Kilos | yeah rpm is not with maverick | 14:16 |
| Kilos | np nlsthzn ty for trying | 14:16 |
| nlsthzn | All of them say to delete the lock file... so just need to find it :p | 14:18 |
| nlsthzn | /var/lib/dpkg/lock maybe this is the lock file for ubuntu | 14:19 |
| nlsthzn | so it should be sudo rm /var/lib/dpkg/lock | 14:19 |
| nlsthzn | then do sudo apt-get clean | 14:20 |
| nlsthzn | then do sudo apt-get clean | 14:20 |
| nlsthzn | sudo apt-get update | 14:20 |
| nlsthzn | sudo apt-get upgrade | 14:20 |
| nlsthzn | I think :p | 14:20 |
| nlsthzn | I don't know... will only be home in a few hours | 14:21 |
| Kilos | thanks i will tell him when he comes back to me | 14:24 |
| Kilos | might be that compizconf he tried to remove | 14:25 |
| Kilos | i dont even know what that does | 14:25 |
| * nlsthzn shrugs | 14:26 | |
| Kilos | lol | 14:27 |
| nlsthzn | I usually re-install long before I have given enough though or care into the problem (which makes me lousy at remembering commands and trouble-shooting | 14:28 |
| Kilos | lol | 14:28 |
| Kilos | maybe there is a repair broken packages command | 14:29 |
| Kilos | im scared to tell him to do it on bootup in case he does know how to login from there | 14:30 |
| Kilos | maybe thats the best for him that recovery at boot | 14:31 |
| nlsthzn | Is he in contact with you via e-mail? | 14:31 |
| nlsthzn | Where can I get more info on his issue? | 14:31 |
| Kilos | and i must just tell him to sudo gdm start to get back in | 14:31 |
| Kilos | yeah on the lists | 14:31 |
| Kilos | it looks like he is locked out from installing anything since deleted compiz | 14:33 |
| Kilos | one of the times i had to use root was with a similar prob | 14:33 |
| Kilos | locked out from installing anything | 14:34 |
| nlsthzn | Hmmm... I have to check my spam folder... | 14:34 |
| Kilos | yeah dunno why gmail sends some ubuntu peeps to spam | 14:35 |
| nlsthzn | Nah... I am not finding the mail with the info :/ I must be slipping in my old age... :p | 14:36 |
| Kilos | hehe | 14:36 |
| Kilos | in our lists | 14:36 |
| Kilos | i have deleted 5 or 6 in my evolution | 14:37 |
| nlsthzn | I looked... I saw one Jan moaning about someone elses issues but not one struggling with installing stuff :/ | 14:37 |
| nlsthzn | do you have the e-mail subject for me... | 14:38 |
| Kilos | sec i go see | 14:38 |
| nlsthzn | I have to go home now :D... just talk to my secretary.... she is called Maaz online :p | 14:41 |
| Kilos | lol | 14:41 |
| |3o|3 | Anyone have a 64 bit natty in Hermanus? | 14:52 |
| nuvolari | Kilos: pong | 14:55 |
| Kilos | lo nuvolari kodez will weet wanneer julle begin met julle klasse | 14:56 |
| Kilos | hy stel ook belang | 14:56 |
| Kilos | en neil ook | 14:56 |
| nuvolari | Kilos: well, ons gaan deur die materiaal soos ons tyd kry | 15:00 |
| Kilos | ok nuvolari hulle vra of jy dit sal op die lists sit wanneer julle reg is | 15:01 |
| nuvolari | hmm, ons sal die mailing list details hier moet opsit | 15:02 |
| Kilos | ja asb seun | 15:03 |
| Kilos | kondig net aan wanneer hier en op die lists | 15:03 |
| Kilos | hiya Langjan | 15:24 |
| Kilos | are you here from the mailing lists Langjan ? | 15:25 |
| Kilos | not easy for us ballies to get used to these wonderful new toys | 15:34 |
| Kilos | hehe | 15:35 |
| Kilos | hi Langjan i see you here | 15:43 |
| Kilos | at the bottom of the window you see where it says #ubuntu-za-freenode tick there and then type | 15:44 |
| Kilos | hi kbmonkey | 16:40 |
| kbmonkey | hi Kilos | 16:40 |
| kbmonkey | how you? | 16:40 |
| Kilos | couple more guys interest in your LPI course | 16:40 |
| Kilos | well ty | 16:40 |
| Kilos | and you? | 16:41 |
| kbmonkey | fine. yes i saw them join the email list. im not sure if it works though, messages not coming thru. hmm | 16:41 |
| Kilos | eish | 16:41 |
| Kilos | gmail sometimes dumps peeps in spam. i dunno why | 16:42 |
| nuvolari | o/ | 17:30 |
| nuvolari | yellow, will anyone have something against me if I post info about the LPI learning group to ubuntu-za mailing list? | 17:30 |
| nlsthzn | nuvolari: please DO!!!!!!! | 17:31 |
| nlsthzn | nuvolari: oh and I have run into a number of awesome plug-ins chrome exclusive :( ... Guess it is +1 for them but it does cause other browsers to start lagging behind when it is for Gmail, and G+... | 17:33 |
| nuvolari | hmm, I think I'll just get the list archive link :P it was posted by kbmonkey already | 17:35 |
| nlsthzn | nuvolari: any idea when you guys want to start this thing? | 17:37 |
| nuvolari | Maaz: lpi.init is http://goo.gl/8Pnv0 | 17:38 |
| Maaz | nuvolari: Got it | 17:38 |
| nuvolari | Maaz: lpi.init | 17:38 |
| Maaz | nuvolari: lpi.init is http://goo.gl/8Pnv0 | 17:38 |
| nuvolari | nlsthzn: ^ | 17:38 |
| nuvolari | oom Kilos ^ | 17:39 |
| Kilos | ja nuvolari | 17:39 |
| Kilos | lol | 17:39 |
| nuvolari | daai link is die begin van ons LPI-mission | 17:39 |
| Kilos | ok ek gaan kyk | 17:39 |
| nlsthzn | nuvolari: oh... I saw this mail... I want to do it, but I am not in SA... I will do the exam and studying alone here in the UAE... | 17:40 |
| nuvolari | nlsthzn: you're welcome do that | 17:40 |
| nuvolari | It's not restricted to ZA, as we're quite wide-spread here to have actual meet-ups | 17:41 |
| nlsthzn | nuvolari: hmmm... then I will definitly look into doing this... | 17:41 |
| nuvolari | so the goal is to have a group of people that knows the same stuff, asking questions or providing help to other ones | 17:42 |
| nuvolari | it's pretty much self-paced since we don't all have the same schedules | 17:42 |
| nuvolari | I will mention that everyone needs to read the initial mailing list post | 17:43 |
| Kilos | nuvolari, how can it say mail to https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-za | 17:44 |
| Kilos | to subscribe | 17:44 |
| nuvolari | eh? | 17:44 |
| kbmonkey | hey nuvolari, yes thanks for that link :D | 17:44 |
| nuvolari | nee oom Kilos | 17:44 |
| nuvolari | it's a bit up, not the last link | 17:44 |
| Kilos | wat doen ek verkeerd | 17:44 |
| kbmonkey | btw did you get that email from the mailing list nuvolari? I wonder if the mails are going through | 17:44 |
| Kilos | * send an email to linux-learning-sa-request at freelists.org with | 17:45 |
| Kilos | 'subscribe' in the Subject field | 17:45 |
| kbmonkey | I hope the mails don't get spam blocked :/ | 17:45 |
| nuvolari | kbmonkey: which one? | 17:45 |
| nuvolari | I got several :P | 17:45 |
| nuvolari | 2 to be exact | 17:45 |
| Kilos | i dont find an email address there | 17:45 |
| kbmonkey | oh well if you got any, then I'm happy nuvolari :) | 17:46 |
| nuvolari | Kilos: oom, dis weggesteek :P | 17:46 |
| nuvolari | Kilos: oom moet die 'at' met 'n @ vervang | 17:46 |
| nuvolari | kbmonkey: will doublecheck | 17:46 |
| nuvolari | which ones I got | 17:46 |
| nuvolari | kbmonkey: the one with the link to the LPI pdf? | 17:47 |
| nuvolari | I received that right after subscribing | 17:47 |
| kbmonkey | the welcome email has that link, I'll find it for you... | 17:47 |
| kbmonkey | the link to the pdf -> http://www.linuxcertification.co.za/lpi-study-manual | 17:48 |
| kbmonkey | the first link, the new syllabus | 17:48 |
| nuvolari | kbmonkey: it's the one i'm talking about :P | 17:48 |
| kbmonkey | sorry, I'm busy multitasking, silly apie! | 17:49 |
| nuvolari | kbmonkey: did you read the part in the manual mentioning that the aim is to make it affordable in africa? | 17:49 |
| kbmonkey | yes that is great | 17:49 |
| nuvolari | I doubt the figures they mention in the mails are really following convention | 17:50 |
| nuvolari | especially if they aim for the greater part of africa | 17:50 |
| nlsthzn | done :D | 17:51 |
| nlsthzn | Sweet rules for posting... I like the vibe... plus one for sure | 17:52 |
| kbmonkey | he he | 17:53 |
| nuvolari | kbmonkey: now that I surf the archives... I think they ended up in my spam folder | 17:53 |
| * nuvolari goes to look | 17:53 | |
| kbmonkey | only after everything did I click I should have used google groups for the list - less likely to be spam blocked | 17:54 |
| nuvolari | whoa! google is spot-on. I got a phishing mail | 17:55 |
| nuvolari | whut? FNB and Nedbank, the same mail | 17:56 |
| nlsthzn | http://www.ustream.tv/channel/at-home-with-jono-bacon | 17:59 |
| nuvolari | :? something is not right | 18:01 |
| nuvolari | I'm subscribed, but didn't receive the last 2 messages you sent kbmonkey | 18:01 |
| nuvolari | and it's not in my spam folder | 18:03 |
| kbmonkey | that is worrying | 18:04 |
| kbmonkey | maybe i need to move it to google groups before the list gets any discussions going | 18:05 |
| kbmonkey | because I checked the list settings and my spam too and can't see any reason for the lost mails | 18:05 |
| Kilos | why is it so involed to subscribe | 18:06 |
| * nuvolari points at kbmonkey | 18:06 | |
| nuvolari | not me oom | 18:06 |
| nuvolari | :P | 18:06 |
| nuvolari | kbmonkey: check for a "ping" mail | 18:07 |
| kbmonkey | by default, you need to confirm the subscription Kilos, to avoid scripts from subsribing | 18:07 |
| Kilos | List context changed to 'linux-learning-sa' by following command. | 18:08 |
| Kilos | >> appsub linux-learning-sa msdomdonner@gmail.com 4E1DDB02:1E29.1:yvahkyrneavatfn | 18:08 |
| Kilos | Subscribed. | 18:08 |
| Kilos | ? | 18:08 |
| nuvolari | kbmonkey: ye, it's weird. | 18:08 |
| nuvolari | Request received for list 'linux-learning-sa' via request address. | 18:08 |
| nuvolari | >> ping? | 18:08 |
| nuvolari | Unknown command. | 18:08 |
| nuvolari | >> -- | 18:08 |
| nuvolari | Found signature marker, ending command mode. | 18:08 |
| nuvolari | that's after it said I'm subscribed | 18:08 |
| Kilos | this be very weird | 18:10 |
| Kilos | where do i confirm and what must i confirm if it says i am subscribed | 18:10 |
| nuvolari | Kilos: well, that's what I did | 18:10 |
| nuvolari | thought I'm subscribed | 18:10 |
| kbmonkey | it's strange nuvolari because when I log into the freelist admin section, it only shows two users, me and corrie | 18:11 |
| nuvolari | :? | 18:11 |
| nuvolari | weird | 18:11 |
| Kilos | o/ | 18:11 |
| kbmonkey | it's like everybody else aren't in the user list | 18:11 |
| kbmonkey | \o | 18:11 |
| nuvolari | kbmonkey: exactly :P | 18:12 |
| kbmonkey | I think I should move to G groups | 18:12 |
| nuvolari | kbmonkey: I guess you created it using google+ and we're not in your circle | 18:12 |
| nuvolari | fine | 18:12 |
| nuvolari | be lke that | 18:12 |
| nuvolari | *like | 18:12 |
| kbmonkey | ha ha ha | 18:12 |
| kbmonkey | +1 | 18:12 |
| nuvolari | maybe I should try my hand at setting up mailman | 18:16 |
| * Kilos needs to practise whacking peeps online | 18:17 | |
| nuvolari | like me oom Kilos ? | 18:19 |
| nuvolari | why? | 18:19 |
| nlsthzn | wife plugged out my PC :/ | 18:19 |
| nuvolari | lol | 18:20 |
| nuvolari | wb anyways | 18:20 |
| Kilos | like kbmonkey for making things so difficult and making me go to them sights | 18:20 |
| Kilos | lol @nl | 18:20 |
| Kilos | grr | 18:20 |
| nuvolari | whoot! mailman documentation in DVI format | 18:20 |
| nuvolari | don't see a lot of those | 18:21 |
| nuvolari | LaTeX ftw | 18:21 |
| Kilos | i still dunno if i am subscribed | 18:21 |
| nuvolari | Kilos: don't worry oom | 18:21 |
| nuvolari | we're going to ditch that one | 18:21 |
| nuvolari | we're going to get a bigger circle | 18:21 |
| nlsthzn | Kilos: you will get mail to reply too and get another mail | 18:21 |
| Kilos | why not put it in our ubuntu-za lists | 18:21 |
| Kilos | i got about 5 so far | 18:22 |
| Kilos | some saying leave the body intact | 18:22 |
| * nuvolari feels intimidated by mailman's documentation | 18:22 | |
| nuvolari | Kilos: I gave up on it oom | 18:23 |
| nuvolari | after it said I can't try again | 18:23 |
| nuvolari | :P | 18:23 |
| nuvolari | said I'm abusing it | 18:23 |
| Kilos | i think advertise on our mailing list as well | 18:23 |
| Kilos | inna normal mail | 18:23 |
| Kilos | that ballies can understand | 18:24 |
| Kilos | Request received for list 'linux-learning-sa' via request address. | 18:24 |
| Kilos | >> subscribe | 18:24 |
| Kilos | Subscription confirmation ticket sent to user being subscribed. | 18:24 |
| Kilos | so where is my confirmation ticket | 18:25 |
| Kilos | kbmonkey, do you see me there yet | 18:26 |
| Kilos | i have now got 8 mails | 18:26 |
| kbmonkey | 8 mails Kilos ?! what do they all say? im confused | 18:27 |
| Kilos | how do i follow this command | 18:27 |
| Kilos | List context changed to 'linux-learning-sa' by following command. | 18:27 |
| Kilos | >> appsub linux-learning-sa msdomdonner@gmail.com 4E1DE070:2B7F.1:yvahkyrneavatfn | 18:27 |
| Kilos | Subscribed. | 18:27 |
| Kilos | thats the last one | 18:27 |
| kbmonkey | did you subscribe 8 times? | 18:27 |
| Kilos | most of them are different | 18:28 |
| kbmonkey | well no matter I can add you to the list manually | 18:28 |
| nuvolari | kbmonkey: I used the web interface too | 18:28 |
| kbmonkey | I also subscribed with another mail and only got the one | 18:28 |
| nuvolari | without success | 18:28 |
| nuvolari | I get a welcoming mail every time | 18:28 |
| nlsthzn | Uncle Kilos is triple subscribed :D | 18:28 |
| kbmonkey | okay that settles it. dont worry oom Kilos we will sort you out :D | 18:29 |
| Kilos | ithen there is a welcome one | 18:29 |
| kbmonkey | I will use google groups (dbnlug uses that one too) and let the people involved know | 18:29 |
| Kilos | lol but they all a bit confusing | 18:29 |
| Kilos | well at least i am subscribed but i dunno which one went there | 18:31 |
| Kilos | which 3 | 18:31 |
| Kilos | one was even online | 18:31 |
| kbmonkey | its okay Kilos, I can add you to the list manually so you won't need to go through the effort ;) | 18:32 |
| Kilos | oh kbmonkey am i not there | 18:32 |
| * Kilos needs to learn the gobsmack thing | 18:35 | |
| Kilos | nlsthzn, see jan got here | 18:36 |
| Kilos | but thenjh i think he went home before he got webchat working | 18:36 |
| Kilos | he be langjan | 18:36 |
| kbmonkey | what gobsmack thing Kilos? | 18:37 |
| Kilos | i dunno. saw a while back that someone gobsmacked someone else | 18:37 |
| Kilos | whatever that might be | 18:38 |
| kbmonkey | on irc? | 18:38 |
| Kilos | i dont remember | 18:38 |
| Kilos | just that word gobsmack stuck inna nut | 18:38 |
| nlsthzn | Who is Jan?! | 18:38 |
| * nuvolari looks around | 18:39 | |
| nuvolari | not me | 18:39 |
| Kilos | he is a 68 year old man thats battling with maverick\ | 18:39 |
| Kilos | prob started a while ago when he couldnt drag windows to other desktops i think | 18:39 |
| Kilos | then a coupla other things | 18:40 |
| Kilos | then tried to remove compizconfig | 18:40 |
| Kilos | now his pc refuses to let him update or install anything | 18:41 |
| Kilos | he is like i was in the beginning | 18:41 |
| Kilos | thats why i wanted to know if i could invite him here so we can help | 18:41 |
| Kilos | its very difficult via mails | 18:42 |
| Langjan | Hi Kilos, at last I see how it works. | 18:42 |
| Kilos | i dont know if compizconf can lock anything like that | 18:42 |
| Kilos | hey Langjan welcome to ubuntu-za | 18:43 |
| Kilos | xchat is much easier , we jus5t need to find out whats locking you out of being able to install anything | 18:44 |
| Langjan | thanks, well compiz stopped doing it when I tried to remove it which apparently disabled it (and the rest of my upgradeability) | 18:44 |
| Kilos | Langjan, the clever guys are here when they not too busy working but if one is patient one always gets help here | 18:45 |
| Langjan | Sounds good Kilos, thanks for the help thus far. | 18:46 |
| Kilos | you can most likely still install from root itself but lets hear what the boffins say first | 18:46 |
| Kilos | you are welcome | 18:46 |
| Kilos | kbmonkey, do we go root or not | 18:47 |
| Langjan | When you say root you lose me... | 18:47 |
| Kilos | nlsthzn, ? | 18:47 |
| nlsthzn | sorry uncle Kilos I am watching Jono for a bit... | 18:47 |
| Kilos | ok nlsthzn | 18:47 |
| Kilos | sudo normally gives you root access | 18:48 |
| Kilos | but there is one step even deeper | 18:48 |
| nlsthzn | what error is given when typing sudo apt-get update in terminal? | 18:48 |
| kbmonkey | hi there Langjan, let me read what is going on... | 18:48 |
| kbmonkey | :) | 18:48 |
| Kilos | but in there one cam make mistakes and mess up everything | 18:48 |
| Kilos | it says you dont have permission nlsthzn | 18:49 |
| Kilos | and asks are you root | 18:49 |
| nlsthzn | with sudo typed and correct user name entered | 18:49 |
| Kilos | yip | 18:50 |
| Kilos | even with updating it fails | 18:50 |
| Kilos | Langjan, do you know how to use a pastebin | 18:50 |
| nlsthzn | sound like the user isn't in the sudo'er file any longer... not sure how to fix that :/ give me a sec | 18:51 |
| Kilos | ty nlsthzn | 18:51 |
| nlsthzn | first link I see is the following http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1054608 | 18:52 |
| Kilos | Langjan, can you go see that link | 18:53 |
| kbmonkey | if he's not in the sudoers file, you can boot into recovery mode and edit the sudoers file with visudo, but that is really not an absolute beginner thing to attempt | 18:53 |
| Kilos | i cant go see nlsthzn | 18:53 |
| Kilos | jan isnt an it guy | 18:53 |
| Kilos | IT | 18:53 |
| Kilos | but not as bad as i was | 18:53 |
| nlsthzn | Go for it Mr Kilos ... your the go to guy now :D | 18:54 |
| Kilos | ive already used 2 days data today | 18:54 |
| kbmonkey | what exactly is the problem, Langjan? can you fill me in | 18:54 |
| Kilos | no man you guys are the brains | 18:54 |
| Kilos | he cannot install anything | 18:55 |
| Kilos | or even upgrade | 18:55 |
| Kilos | here is an example output | 18:56 |
| Kilos | jan@jan-System-Product-Name:~$ sudo apt-get install xchat | 18:56 |
| Kilos | >>>> [sudo] password for jan: | 18:56 |
| Kilos | >>>> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11: Resource | 18:56 |
| Kilos | >>>> temporarily unavailable) | 18:56 |
| Kilos | >>>> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is | 18:56 |
| Kilos | >>>> another process using it? | 18:56 |
| Kilos | sorry for spamming | 18:56 |
| kbmonkey | ah I know how to fix that :D | 18:57 |
| kbmonkey | you are right Kilos, when you have synaptic or the software center is using it, it gets locked | 18:57 |
| kbmonkey | let me query the all knowing google... | 18:58 |
| Kilos | but they are both off | 18:58 |
| Kilos | lol | 18:58 |
| Langjan | Pastebin? Don't even know what it is. Problem is when I tried to remove compiz it froze on me, it was logging me out every few minutes. Since then my system does not update. | 18:58 |
| Kilos | i would have gone root and done apt-get upgrade | 18:59 |
| Kilos | Langjan, do ytou know how to go recoverymode when booting | 18:59 |
| Langjan | jan@jan-System-Product-Name:~$ apt-get upgrade E: Could not open lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (13: Permission denied) E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), are you root? jan@jan-System-Product-Name:~$ | 18:59 |
| kbmonkey | the root user is disabled in Ubuntu as far as I know Kilos, which is why we use sudo instead | 18:59 |
| Kilos | i went in there with sudo -i | 19:00 |
| kbmonkey | Langjan, I assume you have rebooted since, and still get that lock error? | 19:00 |
| Kilos | but was warned to be very careful | 19:00 |
| Langjan | Yes | 19:00 |
| Langjan | reboot did not help | 19:01 |
| kbmonkey | that location that the system needs is locked, and I'm just looking for the command to unlock it for you... | 19:02 |
| nlsthzn | the lock file needs to be deleted | 19:02 |
| Langjan | thanks | 19:02 |
| kbmonkey | it should unlock automatically when you install applications, but sometimes when something goes wrong, like a crash, it does not get unlocked | 19:02 |
| Langjan | should I try to install an application? | 19:03 |
| kbmonkey | Langjan, try this command in a terminal: | 19:03 |
| kbmonkey | sudo rm /var/lib/dpkg/lock | 19:03 |
| nlsthzn | kbmonkey: that is the one :) | 19:03 |
| kbmonkey | then you can try update your repos with: | 19:04 |
| kbmonkey | sudo apt-get update | 19:04 |
| Langjan | jan@jan-System-Product-Name:~$ sudo rm /var/lib/dpkg/lock [sudo] password for jan: rm: cannot remove `/var/lib/dpkg/lock': No such file or directory jan@jan-System-Product-Name:~$ | 19:04 |
| nlsthzn | ? | 19:04 |
| nlsthzn | crap... I see I have the file | 19:04 |
| kbmonkey | strange, I have that file. hmmm | 19:04 |
| Kilos | its been hidden methinks | 19:05 |
| Langjan | running on update command | 19:05 |
| Kilos | ls -la | 19:05 |
| nlsthzn | Langjan: if you browse to /var/lib/dpkg do you see a file called lock? | 19:05 |
| kbmonkey | the file 'lock' is not hidden, hidden files start with a '.' Kilos ;) | 19:06 |
| Kilos | ah ty i am learning as we go | 19:06 |
| Kilos | maybe its dpkg that corrupt | 19:07 |
| Langjan | Outcome:files contains configuration for specific systems. rofiles hasn't been individually testest and are submitted by users. 1 System manufacturer System Product Name: 2 PCI:01:00:0 PCI:01:00:0: 997 Enter Manual Configuration 998 Show all profiles. 999 Do not configure now. | 19:07 |
| kbmonkey | Langjan, try this one: | 19:07 |
| kbmonkey | sudo rm /var/cache/apt/archives/lock | 19:07 |
| kodez | look me in your heart, i'm there | 19:08 |
| Langjan | jan@jan-System-Product-Name:~$ sudo rm /var/cache/apt/archives/lock [sudo] password for jan: jan@jan-System-Product-Name:~$ sudo rm /var/cache/apt/archives/lock rm: cannot remove `/var/cache/apt/archives/lock': No such file or directory jan@jan-System-Product-Name:~$ | 19:08 |
| kodez | wrong post, apologies | 19:09 |
| nlsthzn | kodez: hehe | 19:09 |
| kbmonkey | awe kodez, you do care! ;P | 19:09 |
| nlsthzn | Langjan: we have many guru's here that come and go... please don't loose heart... we want to get your PC fixed as badly as you do!! | 19:09 |
| Langjan | Thanks guys, appreciated. | 19:10 |
| Kilos | is it not something that root has locked as seen in ls -la kbmonkey | 19:11 |
| Kilos | brb | 19:11 |
| nlsthzn | Kilos: everything points towards a locked update no sudo issues | 19:12 |
| kbmonkey | correct Kilos, installing apps or updates does so as root, but using sudo we have access to those files | 19:12 |
| kbmonkey | i find it strange that both your lock files don't exist Langjan | 19:14 |
| Kilos | my pc did something similar and cocooncrash had to help | 19:14 |
| kodez | when must i come? | 19:14 |
| kbmonkey | Im looking for other causes of this error... | 19:14 |
| Kilos | sudo didnt work but installing from root did | 19:15 |
| nuvolari | booyah! what a mission struggling with postfix | 19:15 |
| Kilos | Langjan, see why i wanted you to get xchat | 19:16 |
| Kilos | i live on here via xchat | 19:17 |
| nuvolari | hmm | 19:17 |
| * nuvolari reads backlog | 19:17 | |
| kbmonkey | Langjan, it seems your lock is due to an interrupted update | 19:20 |
| kbmonkey | try the instructions on this page to see if this helps: http://www.webmaster-forums.net/server-management/could-not-get-lock-varlibdpkglock-open-11-resource-temporarily-unavailable-error-d | 19:20 |
| kbmonkey | simply, it ends all the apt/dpkg processes, and runs 'dpkg --configure -a' to resume your updates | 19:21 |
| kbmonkey | oh and Langjan, you probably need to prefix those commands with 'sudo' so they run as the admin (root) user | 19:22 |
| nuvolari | ooh nice! based on ArchLinux: http://manjarolinux.org/hp/index.html | 19:23 |
| * nuvolari hacks into Langjan's machine | 19:24 | |
| nuvolari | *g* | 19:24 |
| kbmonkey | XD | 19:24 |
| nlsthzn | :) | 19:26 |
| kbmonkey | ah nice one that nuvolari, I'll poke around Manjaro | 19:26 |
| * nuvolari itches to switch to something less Ubuntu-like | 19:27 | |
| highvoltage | less Ubuntu-like in what way? | 19:27 |
| highvoltage | (oh I see, arch) | 19:28 |
| Langjan | Same result, then jan@jan-System-Product-Name:~$ sudo bash [sudo] password for jan: root@jan-System-Product-Name:~# | 19:28 |
| kbmonkey | also try crunchbanglinux.org ;D | 19:28 |
| Langjan | Same result as at 21:07 | 19:29 |
| kbmonkey | okay let's see Langjan | 19:29 |
| kbmonkey | did you run 'dpkg --configure -a' as that page said?\ | 19:30 |
| nuvolari | kbmonkey: that manjaro is quite fresh! 9 July | 19:31 |
| Langjan | Yes, same dead end as at 21:07 | 19:31 |
| kbmonkey | sorry Langjan that message at 21:07 does not make any sense to me, it doesnt seem relevant to what we doing/ | 19:31 |
| nuvolari | or maybe I should just switch to plain debian | 19:31 |
| kbmonkey | Langjan: sudo apt-get update | 19:31 |
| superfly | Langjan: paste your terminal stuff into a pastebin please... http://pastebin.com is a good one | 19:31 |
| kbmonkey | also you entered 'sudo bash' which im not sure why you did but you may now be in a root terminal too | 19:32 |
| nlsthzn | nuvolari: | 19:33 |
| nlsthzn | lol | 19:33 |
| nlsthzn | sorry | 19:33 |
| nlsthzn | I am always switching distro's | 19:33 |
| nlsthzn | for no good reason :) | 19:33 |
| nuvolari | bah. support duties | 19:34 |
| nuvolari | brb | 19:34 |
| kbmonkey | Langjan, so that error you get at 21:07 is when you run 'sudo apt-get update' ? | 19:35 |
| Kilos | superfly, any ideas why pastebin.com makes my pc run slow | 19:35 |
| Langjan | Superfly, I opened the pastebin site but don't understand what you mean by paste terminal stuff into it - the results? How do I get it to you? | 19:35 |
| nlsthzn | guys it is late in the desert... Langjan good luck, hang in there... ubuntu rules... guys fix it k... :D | 19:35 |
| Kilos | i have to use slexy.org | 19:35 |
| Kilos | sleep tigtht nlsthzn | 19:36 |
| Kilos | Langjan, you copy everything in your terminal | 19:36 |
| superfly | Langjan: you paste, you click submit, and then you give me the url | 19:36 |
| Kilos | then paste it to that pastebin window | 19:37 |
| Kilos | sorry superfly | 19:37 |
| Langjan | Paste the outcome of each command? | 19:38 |
| kbmonkey | Langjan, you select your terminal text results, right-click to copy it, and you paste it into that empty block on the pastebin.com website | 19:38 |
| Kilos | the whole thing at once | 19:38 |
| kbmonkey | click 'cubmit', then give us the URL address of that web page :) | 19:38 |
| kbmonkey | *'submit' | 19:39 |
| * kbmonkey needs more hands and eyes to mulitask | 19:40 | |
| Kilos | lol | 19:40 |
| Langjan | ok, my terminal is empty, what command would you like me to run? | 19:40 |
| superfly | Langjan: tell us what you are trying to do... what is your aim (not what you are attempting to run) | 19:41 |
| kbmonkey | first Langjan, run this: sudo apt-get update && ps -aux | grep apt | 19:41 |
| Langjan | http://pastebin.com/EJ45eHT7 | 19:46 |
| nuvolari | Langjan: do only "ps aux | grep apt" | 19:47 |
| nuvolari | and pastebin the result | 19:47 |
| kbmonkey | it looks like your apt does hit the repos, it gains the lock, but at some point it fails | 19:47 |
| kbmonkey | usually the lock would stop you from even getting this far. eh, i wonder if your apt cache is corrupt? | 19:48 |
| kbmonkey | could we try rm the apt cache so it rebuilds? what you other boffs think? | 19:48 |
| nuvolari | is synaptic running? | 19:49 |
| Langjan | http://pastebin.com/k18tZbYJ | 19:49 |
| nuvolari | kbmonkey: well, depends on his connection | 19:49 |
| kbmonkey | its confusing nuvolari, apparently it does this after reboot and no synaptic or such running :/ | 19:50 |
| nuvolari | ah | 19:51 |
| nuvolari | :? hmm | 19:51 |
| nuvolari | Langjan: do "ls -l /var/lib/dpkg/lock" | 19:51 |
| Langjan | ok | 19:51 |
| nuvolari | -rw-r----- 1 root root | 19:51 |
| nuvolari | Langjan: does it look like that? | 19:52 |
| kbmonkey | Langjan, you don't have synaptic, or the ubuntu software center open? | 19:52 |
| Langjan | http://pastebin.com/3J8Ntazn | 19:52 |
| Langjan | No, nothing open except thunderbird and these sites we are on, and skype | 19:53 |
| nuvolari | bah. permissions are correct | 19:54 |
| kbmonkey | okay, let's see what other repos you have in there that may be the problem | 19:55 |
| kbmonkey | Langjan, pls give us the output for this: cat /etc/apt/sources.list | 19:55 |
| Langjan | http://pastebin.com/AGS7hF7e | 19:57 |
| nuvolari | we're getting a good start to LPI :P | 20:00 |
| Kilos | uh oh | 20:00 |
| nuvolari | hmm. that was the wrong command | 20:01 |
| nuvolari | I found a thread mentioning ftp for this error... | 20:02 |
| nuvolari | weird | 20:02 |
| Kilos | we need to tell him howto do a recovery or fix broken packages on boot and then how to get gdm started again i think | 20:03 |
| Kilos | i am not sure if he does recovery if he will know how to get back on | 20:04 |
| nuvolari | Maaz: am I an idiot? | 20:05 |
| Maaz | nuvolari: *blink* | 20:05 |
| nuvolari | ah, welcome back Langjan | 20:05 |
| nuvolari | just got worried :P | 20:05 |
| Kilos | whew | 20:05 |
| nuvolari | Langjan: would you try "ps aux | egrep -i 'apt|ftp|kpack|dpkg'" | 20:06 |
| Langjan | I rebooted just to make sure all is well | 20:06 |
| nuvolari | ah | 20:06 |
| nuvolari | before doing anything else | 20:06 |
| nuvolari | wait. hmm, what shoud you do | 20:06 |
| * nuvolari wonders | 20:06 | |
| kbmonkey | well it seems like the sources.list has the default repos. hmm | 20:06 |
| kbmonkey | Langjan, try this command: sudo fuser -cuk /var/lib/dpkg/lock; sudo rm -f /var/lib/dpkg/lock | 20:07 |
| Langjan | http://pastebin.com/K85Vt8mY | 20:08 |
| kbmonkey | it will end anything using the lock, and then remove the lock | 20:08 |
| nuvolari | Langjan: you missed the closing ' | 20:08 |
| Langjan | Is that a single command? | 20:08 |
| Langjan | Sorry, I thought it was a mistake - my mistake!! | 20:09 |
| kbmonkey | yes its a single command | 20:10 |
| Langjan | Here's the first one again: http://pastebin.com/LTjSGY5H | 20:10 |
| nuvolari | Langjan: eh? did yo re-run it? you missed the closing ' | 20:11 |
| nuvolari | oh | 20:11 |
| * nuvolari is blind | 20:11 | |
| nuvolari | :P | 20:11 |
| nuvolari | ok, there's really no package app running | 20:12 |
| nuvolari | did you run the command kbmonkey gave? | 20:12 |
| nuvolari | going to peel an orange, brb | 20:12 |
| kbmonkey | if I run synaptic, and the apt update I get the same error | 20:13 |
| Kilos | yes thats right kb | 20:15 |
| Kilos | its like another package manager is running | 20:15 |
| Kilos | first thing i told him was close synaptic | 20:15 |
| Kilos | but it wasnt open | 20:15 |
| kbmonkey | this is confusing us, all the internet says its from another package manager running at the same time. but there clearly isnt | 20:16 |
| Langjan_ | Last command gave me a black screen, had to reboot, then: http://pastebin.com/LTjSGY5H | 20:16 |
| nuvolari | o.O | 20:17 |
| Langjan_ | Could Ubuntu 10.04 on my second drive have anything to do with the problem? | 20:18 |
| nuvolari | this is an instant orange. just add water. really dry :-/ | 20:18 |
| nuvolari | hmm, doubt that Langjan_ | 20:18 |
| Kilos | lol | 20:18 |
| kbmonkey | Langjan_, your link from 21:53 shows the lock file is still there. try delete it again: | 20:18 |
| kbmonkey | sudo rm -f /var/lib/dpkg/lock | 20:18 |
| kbmonkey | just add coffee, nuvolari ;) yuck | 20:19 |
| kbmonkey | no I don't think your older Ubuntu could Langjan_, they should each have their own system files | 20:19 |
| kbmonkey | if the results are 2 lines you could paste them here | 20:20 |
| * nuvolari tries to imagine coffee flavoured oranges | 20:20 | |
| Kilos | unless it can be running automatic updates, but shouldnt if its not the boot drive | 20:20 |
| kbmonkey | Kilos you're getting smarter every day! | 20:20 |
| nuvolari | mind you oom Kilos, I think you're right | 20:21 |
| Kilos | still jy | 20:21 |
| Langjan_ | http://pastebin.com/4UA6ZeTd | 20:21 |
| Kilos | lol | 20:21 |
| nuvolari | my system always does a check after startup | 20:21 |
| kbmonkey | ah so it deleted the lock this time, hope this works! | 20:21 |
| kbmonkey | Langjan_: sudo apt-get update | 20:21 |
| nuvolari | think we should get Langjan_ to install aptitude when this ordeal is over | 20:22 |
| Kilos | yes | 20:22 |
| kbmonkey | isn't aptitude installed by default? | 20:22 |
| Langjan_ | runing... | 20:22 |
| Kilos | not on maverick | 20:23 |
| kbmonkey | I'm on #! so I have it | 20:23 |
| Kilos | you have to install | 20:23 |
| nuvolari | kbmonkey: negative | 20:23 |
| * kbmonkey crosses fingers | 20:23 | |
| Kilos | hehe | 20:23 |
| Kilos | it will work now | 20:23 |
| Kilos | but what put the lock there | 20:24 |
| Kilos | that is the million dollar question | 20:24 |
| nuvolari | I love the new conflict-resolve suggestions in 11.04 | 20:24 |
| nuvolari | ooh, kbmonkey, you need to check out zathura | 20:24 |
| nuvolari | lightweight pdf reader | 20:24 |
| nuvolari | with vi-like key-bindings | 20:24 |
| kbmonkey | he tried to delete the lock at 21:04 but it said the file did not exist then. strange | 20:25 |
| Kilos | very | 20:25 |
| Kilos | some bug got in somehow | 20:25 |
| Langjan_ | Got to a point where I had to manually run a command, then first output. I thought perhaps I should not have run the manual command, then tried anew, the second output. | 20:27 |
| Langjan_ | http://pastebin.com/6nx83iXx | 20:27 |
| Langjan_ | Sorry if I messed you around.! | 20:27 |
| kbmonkey | what is that output from Langjan_? Im not sure what to make of it :p | 20:28 |
| nuvolari | :? ye, looks like output from different commands | 20:28 |
| Kilos | kbmonkey, try that --configure -a again | 20:28 |
| Kilos | i forget the rest of it | 20:29 |
| Kilos | dpkg --configure -a | 20:31 |
| Kilos | what you think | 20:31 |
| Kilos | might go further now the lock is removed | 20:31 |
| Langjan_ | jan@jan-System-Product-Name:~$ dpkg --configure -a dpkg: requested operation requires superuser privilege jan@jan-System-Product-Name:~$ sudo dpkg --configure -a dpkg: status database area is locked by another process jan@jan-System-Product-Name:~$ | 20:32 |
| nuvolari | what??? :O | 20:32 |
| Kilos | sudo dpkg --configure -a | 20:33 |
| Kilos | maybe we need to unplug secong drive | 20:33 |
| nuvolari | Kilos: he did run that oom :P halfway through the post | 20:33 |
| Kilos | yes but the dpkg lock has just been removed | 20:34 |
| kbmonkey | --configure -a tells dpkg to reconfigure packages that are still unconfigured | 20:34 |
| Kilos | is there a cli command to fix broken packages | 20:34 |
| kbmonkey | seems like Langjan_ you installed some package that is attempting to gain a lock, may be a bug in that package setup | 20:34 |
| kbmonkey | do you remember what you installed recently? | 20:35 |
| nuvolari | "The only programs that can lock the database are dpkg frontends like apt-get, synaptic, aptitude or dselect." | 20:35 |
| kbmonkey | or is there more to that error Langjan_, something that will tell us the name of the package doing this | 20:36 |
| Langjan_ | Nothing I am aware of. When I tried to remove compiz it froze, then I tried to cancel the process, that also froze. Could that be the reason? | 20:36 |
| kbmonkey | but after removing the lock file, did you run update? did that work? | 20:39 |
| Kilos | Langjan_, why did you try remove compiz | 20:39 |
| Langjan_ | Because it was logging me out every few minutes when the machine was idle | 20:39 |
| Kilos | ok | 20:40 |
| Langjan_ | Or shall I say the logout problem arose after I i nstalled compiz and stopped after I tried to remove it. | 20:40 |
| kbmonkey | eish, I've run out of ideas here | 20:40 |
| kbmonkey | lets make sure you have all the compiz removed properly then, I guess | 20:41 |
| Kilos | Langjan_, do you know how to get back in if you go to recovery at bootup | 20:41 |
| Langjan_ | My basics are running, lets try again another day, sleep on it. | 20:41 |
| kbmonkey | but I don't have compiz or any of those, so which packages do we remove? | 20:41 |
| Kilos | it will say login you say jan | 20:42 |
| Kilos | then password then it will go to the prompt | 20:42 |
| Kilos | then you type in sudo gdm start | 20:42 |
| kbmonkey | okay Langjan_, but before you go, pls paste us this output so we can sleep on it :) | 20:42 |
| kbmonkey | cat /var/log/apt/history.log | tail -n 100 | 20:42 |
| Langjan_ | ok | 20:42 |
| kbmonkey | that will show us what you have recently installed | 20:43 |
| kbmonkey | (the last 100 lines only) | 20:43 |
| nuvolari | me eyes are burning | 20:44 |
| Langjan_ | http://pastebin.com/2qMpVBtD | 20:44 |
| nuvolari | I'm calling it a day | 20:44 |
| Kilos | gaan slaap seun | 20:44 |
| Kilos | lekker slaap | 20:44 |
| nuvolari | ek is op pad oom Kilos | 20:44 |
| nuvolari | lekker slaap oom ook :) | 20:44 |
| kbmonkey | mooi slaap nuvolari, and no coffee this late! ;P | 20:44 |
| nuvolari | dankie | 20:44 |
| Kilos | sien jou môre | 20:44 |
| nuvolari | kbmonkey: can't promise anything :P | 20:44 |
| Langjan_ | Julle moet ook lekker slaap, dankie vir alles! | 20:44 |
| nuvolari | cheerz Langjan_, oom Kilos, kbmonkey | 20:45 |
| Kilos | kbmonkey, one last idea | 20:45 |
| kbmonkey | hope to see you back Langjan_, sorry we couldn't help you this time! | 20:45 |
| Langjan_ | How do I get to freenode without having to login via firefox? | 20:45 |
| Kilos | will sudo -i to go root then a apt-get install dpkg not maybe fix dpkg | 20:45 |
| Kilos | you need xchat Langjan_ | 20:46 |
| Langjan_ | which we could not get going... | 20:46 |
| kbmonkey | does xchat come with maverick, i hope? | 20:46 |
| Kilos | yeah thats the prob | 20:46 |
| kbmonkey | oh, so no. eish | 20:46 |
| Langjan_ | Slaap lekker | 20:46 |
| Kilos | we need to be able to install it first | 20:47 |
| kbmonkey | when we removed that lock I would have liked to try install it, instead of that --configure, but we'll sort it sharp | 20:47 |
| Kilos | will that running package manager even affect root | 20:47 |
| Kilos | i not gonna sleep lekker with this inna mind | 20:48 |
| Kilos | and how do we fing what package manger is supposed to be running | 20:50 |
| Kilos | find not fing | 20:50 |
| Kilos | or even a killall command | 20:51 |
| kbmonkey | well apparently none are running Kilos, thats the confusing part. but oh well, i find solutions do come sometimes when your brain has a rest :) | 20:53 |
| kbmonkey | heck, i even dreamt of answers before, you never know! | 20:53 |
| Kilos | Langjan_, is it a big job to unplug that second drive | 20:54 |
| * Kilos scratching | 20:54 | |
| kbmonkey | sjoe ja | 20:55 |
| Kilos | lol | 20:55 |
| Tonberry | so indestructible lock file with nothing keeping it there? | 20:55 |
| Kilos | yip | 20:55 |
| Tonberry | boot from cd or flashdrive and delete it? | 20:55 |
| Kilos | it has been deleted Tonberry | 20:56 |
| Tonberry | oh | 20:56 |
| Kilos | but now dpkg thinks another pm is running | 20:56 |
| Tonberry | oh | 20:56 |
| kbmonkey | well we removed the lock, but dpkg reconfigures some package that gives an error. I suspect that package has a bug or is failing | 20:57 |
| Tonberry | dpkg -r the package | 20:57 |
| kbmonkey | the lock sticks when it fails. need to find that package | 20:57 |
| Kilos | we dunno which package it is | 20:57 |
| kbmonkey | we don't know what package it is though :/ | 20:57 |
| Tonberry | ah | 20:57 |
| Tonberry | and configure does not give a name? | 20:57 |
| Kilos | lol | 20:57 |
| Kilos | tough in africa | 20:57 |
| kbmonkey | i got Jan to give us his apt history Tonberry just in case we can spot anything http://pastebin.com/2qMpVBtD | 20:58 |
| kbmonkey | a bit of detective work involved | 20:58 |
| Tonberry | what does apt/term.log say? | 21:00 |
| Tonberry | anything useful? | 21:00 |
| kbmonkey | Jan has left Tonberry, we can try again tomorrow :) | 21:00 |
| Tonberry | ah | 21:01 |
| Kilos | ok guys sleep tight | 21:01 |
| Kilos | ty for helping | 21:01 |
| kbmonkey | gn Kilos ! | 21:02 |
| Tonberry | Errors were encountered while processing: | 21:02 |
| Tonberry | squid | 21:02 |
| Tonberry | oh well | 21:02 |
| Tonberry | never trust an error message over a working system... | 21:02 |
| kbmonkey | he he. random error message generator in action | 21:04 |
| marcog | finally updated my home pc to natty :P | 21:57 |
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