[05:28] good morning [05:52] morning scar[w] [07:07] yay. Peter Nel is older than me [07:07] morning superfly nuvolari and all others [07:10] why doesnt someone invite him to come here for help? [07:11] its hard waiting on the lists for help [07:11] lo morgs Tonberry [07:11] morning Kilos, all [07:11] lo [07:12] Kilos: helps with what? [07:12] he is battling with open office looks like [07:13] or opening some documents [07:13] morning Kilos [07:14] sorry for not saying night last night. vodacom decided to cut data connectivity but fones still worked [07:14] sigh [07:14] vodacom has really gone downhill in the last 2 months [07:20] i dont know if its out of place for me to invite peeps to come here because i cant help them but shame he is more of a bally than me [07:20] and i dont have 11.04 running [07:31] morning oom Kilos, superfly, Tonberry, morgs [07:32] Kilos: you can certainly invite people to come here... [07:33] oh ty [07:47] now reading the mails i am not sure if its peter nel or jan greef thats the bally [07:47] I think it's jan greef [07:47] ok i will invite him ok? [07:52] morning Kilos [07:52] hi there scar[w] howzit [07:54] can't complain, reading up on logrotate I always thought these things just sat in /etc/cron.monthly or something like that [08:20] * Kilos waves to nlsthzn [08:34] Hey uncle Kilos ... [08:40] Maaz, coffee on [08:40] * Maaz flips the salt-timer [08:44] Coffee's ready for Kilos! [08:44] Maaz, thanks man [08:44] Kilos It gives me great pleasure to serve a bunch of geeks :-) [08:49] Maaz: But why don't you want to server me...? Am I not geek enough :'( [08:49] nlsthzn: Excuse me? [08:49] See?! [08:49] lol [08:50] he is moody today [08:50] Maaz, say hi to nlsthzn [08:50] hi to nlsthzn [08:57] Maaz: say I am a dumb *ss [08:57] I am a dumb *ss [08:57] :D [08:58] Maaz, coffee for nlsthzn [08:58] No, the arabs drink some concoction make from camel milk [09:00] "made" surely? [09:01] huh? [09:01] oh yes [09:01] whew [09:01] eish [09:01] my editor is still up and awake [09:02] hehe... it is a conspiracy [09:02] hey superfly [09:05] hi nlsthzn [09:06] ty for the info on the lists nlsthzn [09:08] Just trying to help... :) but thanks for noticing... [09:18] do we just wait for jan now or does he need more help nlsthzn [09:18] ek sukkel bietjie partykeer [09:22] I haven't really followed the thread... I am at work currently but I did see the oppertunity to assisit with getting on IRC... [09:22] A quick help with little thought required :p [09:22] ok ty nlsthzn [09:23] But if he does decide to help himself and come here I am sure he will be assisted quickly :) - The caped Kilos watches over Gotham Channel... [09:24] lol [09:24] he is also a bally so this is a new experience most likely [09:25] i also battled in the beginning. the fly helped me [09:48] mornin Squirm2 [09:48] lol [09:48] 2 of you now [09:54] morning maiatoday [10:09] morning === Squirm2 is now known as Squirm [10:11] what is bumblebee for [10:11] fertilizing flowers [10:12] hehe === Vhata_ is now known as Vhata [10:12] Vhata, well said [10:13] im trying to help jan get xchat going and see he gets things like this [10:13] Processing triggers for libc-bin ... [10:13] ldconfig deferred processing now taking place [10:13] Setting up bumblebee (2.0.0-5~maverick) ... [10:14] i dont even have bumblebee in synaptic [10:16] http://ubuntumanual.org/posts/361/battery-drain-problem-bumblebee-to-the-rescue [10:16] Depending on what it is he can have added it from a different PPA [10:17] Yup... there is a PPA... [10:17] wish he could get here [10:18] lists hard work [10:29] at least it looks like he is using maverick so maybe i can help him [10:50] hi trev_ [10:50] hello [10:50] first time i heard of xchat battling to install [10:53] hiya kodez [10:53] hola heita kilos, how are you today? [10:53] good ty kodez and you [10:54] i'm better than yesterday, thanks for asking. [10:56] i managed to get ubuntu 11.04 DVD and am not winning in terms of configuring synaptic manager to get the remaining software from the disci. please held [10:56] please help [10:57] sudo apt-get update [10:57] then sudo apt-get upgrade [10:59] aptitude [10:59] aptitude has super cow powers [10:59] i dont know if aptitude is in 11.04 Vhata [10:59] had to install it in maverick [11:00] you're kidding [11:00] no [11:00] its an installable package [11:00] I thought it was replacing apt-get [11:01] i dunno about natty [11:01] so the only time you use atp-get is to apt-get isntall aptitude! [11:01] thats what i did trev_ . used apt-get to install aptitude [11:01] lol [11:02] i want to install all this applications from the DVD not internet. i want to know how to configure it to look for the application from the dvd [11:02] ok open the dvd [11:02] right click what you want to install [11:02] and install with gdebi if its still there [11:03] might have dependancy issues, but if they are also on the dvd you can then install them first [11:04] gdebi will tell you what dependancies are needed [11:06] aptitude replacing apt-get... that is a new rumour... syanptic being droped for software center isn't though :) [11:07] but i think you will first need to do sudo apt-get update or sudo aptitude update [11:08] to my understanding update tells you system there is more than what is on the cd/dvd [11:15] i member with maverick i had to install gdebi as well [11:29] i still havent found how to tell the system how to use a cd as a repo [11:29] i think thats what kodez is looking for [11:35] When inserting a CD with packages I normally get a message saying that a software source has been found and if I would like to scan it... [11:35] hi kilos, i appreciate your advice but that means i must consistently look for the packages one by one while if i can use synaptic package manager i can select multiple application [11:37] nlsthza, unfortunately that message is not coming up but suprisingly it does when insert the same DVD on my laptop. [11:38] i had installed ubuntu 64 bit on my pc using the dvd and a 32bit on my laptop using an alternate cd [11:45] kodez, i could never find out how to use a local cd/dvdrom as a repo [11:45] it woulda saved me many days of one package at a time [11:46] but i read some there is a way to tell you pc to use the dvd as a repo but that long gone [11:46] <|3o|3> Kilos: dpkg-scanpackages [11:46] <|3o|3> You can use that to make a repo out of any group of packages [11:46] ty |3o|3 [11:47] kodez, ^^ [11:47] <|3o|3> I can't remember where the tutorial is for it that I used when I didn't have internet [11:48] lol i not the only one that forgets or losing things [11:52] Kilos: apt-cdrom [11:52] in software sources you should still see the installation DVD as a source but without it being selected... maybe look at how it looks... insert CD/DVD and add a new source that resembles that entry but with the new info about the new CD/DVD... (sorry at work on XP can't play and see to assist more) [11:53] Maaz: tell kodez apt-cdrom [11:53] superfly: Got it, I'll tell kodez on freenode [11:53] ty superfly [11:54] apt-awesome upgrade superfly -fy [11:54] lol [11:56] maiatoday: http://i.imgur.com/24lvg.jpg made me think of you :p [12:24] * nlsthzn is a conversation killer of the highest caliber [12:25] what you did now [12:28] how can i mount an image (iso) file? i had forgotten the synatax [12:28] After my last comment the channel was quiet for more than half an hour before I posted again :p [12:28] hehe [12:28] kodez: are you in terminal or in a GUI? [12:29] lol. unfortunately i was offline [12:29] everything is quiet nlsthzn even jan hasnt come back to me [12:29] both but i am interested to mount using the terminal [12:30] the iso is in my desktop and i want to mount it to /media/iso [12:30] he has a strange maverick that wont even install xchat [12:30] kodez: sorry... I don't know how to mount that way (sad really) ... give me a few months... I got the book and I will pass the LPI exam before the year of the linux desktop [12:31] i must pass that exam too but must have a sturdy study program [12:31] kodez, nuvolari and kbmonkey are going to do it online here soon [12:32] do what? do you mean the exam? [12:32] kodez: cool... good luck... I know I will need it :p [12:33] they are going to go through the whole course [12:33] kwl, i am available to learn. i must just get some more airtime [12:34] they gave the link to download the manual they will be working through [12:34] Kilos: Hmmm... that is good news... I have two free online study guides (suspect they will be using one of them) as well as a study guide by Sybex... [12:35] please pass the link again [12:35] i am trying to find it [12:36] gotta scroll back 3 days i think [12:36] was 4.2meg [12:37] http://www.linuxcertification.co.za/lpi-study-manual [12:38] Kilos: your the man :) [12:38] o.O [12:38] Hmmm... don't think I have this one to be honest... Mr. Kilos please tell the guys to announce on the mailing list and/or on the web site when they plan on doing this [12:39] i dunno how you guys gonna remember all those commands [12:39] hmm, I also have a good manual somewhere [12:39] * Squirm browses bookmarks [12:39] man man [12:39] this is the latest Squirm [12:39] thanks kilos [12:39] yw kodez [12:39] This is one of those I have... [12:40] fro the link [12:40] for teachers too [12:41] the shuttleworth foundation had study material [12:42] tbh I dont know how up to date it is [12:42] There has been a revision to the curriculum recently... 2010 I think [12:51] nlsthzn, i will tell themj or ask them to do so. or do it for them [12:52] Kilos: thanks :) depending on what they are planning I hope they have some notes etc. for anyone not able to be online when they do... as I am always off-line when it matters :p [12:57] as far as i know nlsthzn they are going through the whole manual for anyone that needs help [12:58] and there will always be the logs here to look back on [12:58] Depending on how fast they go I might be able to keep up :) ... but the learning curve is steep... [12:59] well hopefully i will have data to be with you all so mostly it will be at my speed [12:59] hehe [13:00] but with the manual you can go through it and check where you steek vas [13:03] Kilos: Cool... so you going to become a 1337 *nix hacker too... sweet [13:03] lol no man i have to keep going back to the manual for commands [13:04] but if i can learn just a little it will be more than i know now [13:06] I think you will be surprised how much you already know... every now and again I hear questions or see people do strange things and go "WTF!?" Then I realize that many things that have become second nature wasn't so a few years ago :) [13:11] thats what makes it frustrating for lotsa guys to help us newbies [13:11] like when i started i was given commands without sudo in the front mosta the time [13:11] and couldnt get things to work [13:12] at least now i remember sudo if it doesnt work without it [13:12] and even a killer command to become root [13:12] hehe [13:13] In Ubuntu you really never have to be root... [13:13] Make me a sandwhich [13:13] No [13:13] sudo make me a sandwhich [13:13] :p [13:14] i have had to when things went bad here [13:14] twice sudo wasnt good enough [13:14] They shouldn't ever get that bad :p [13:15] ya but murphy lives here [13:15] :) [13:16] Maaz, coffee on [13:16] * Maaz puts the kettle on [13:16] nlsthzn, coffee time [13:17] Maaz, coffee time [13:17] It is always coffee time! [13:17] Maaz, coffee for all [13:17] Come on ya buncha geeks. Rock up with your mugs with the correct amount of sugar added already [13:17] what time will the class start? [13:17] what class? [13:18] lpi? [13:18] they will tell us when the are ready kodez [13:19] they still working it all out [13:19] nuvolari, ping [13:20] ok, i want to go to BP garage to get 8ta airtime and i don't want to loose. but i hope i will not loose that much if they will start before i'm back [13:20] it wont be today kodez [13:20] Coffee's ready for Kilos! [13:20] Maaz, ty [13:20] Enjoy Kilos [13:29] :) [13:29] I am having some tea...so there :p [13:29] lol [14:04] what can be blocking jan here please [14:04] http://slexy.org/view/s21nsme6pk [14:04] synaptic normally blocks it [14:07] Social networking site blocked at work... sorry... [14:08] np nlsthzn ty [14:09] its the normall message you get if you sudo install and synaptic is open [14:09] all he has open is thunderbird and skype [14:10] i dunno what thunderbird is [14:11] told him to do sudo apt-get update and upgrade [14:11] he says this now [14:11] I'm currently running updates Miles, perhaps that will help. The UMgr [14:11] says it has to do a partial upgrade due to some problems with updates, [14:11] will keep in touch. Perhaps it has to do with my aborted attempt to [14:11] remove CompizConfig from the system. [14:11] sigh [14:13] ah... I know [14:13] but not exactly [14:13] lol [14:13] there will be a file that is showing that the system is busy... basically locked that needs to be either edited or deleted... I am not sure what file and not sure which option [14:14] shame he must be so frustrated, we been at it all morning [14:14] hopefully his updates fixes his prob [14:15] rm /var/lock/rpm/transaction [14:15] there is a file that needs deleting ... this command seems suspect cause it says rpm... got it from google [14:16] he will let me know as soon as he has done updating [14:16] but this happens when a previous session was terminated worngly and the lock it created isn'r removed [14:16] I think that is the issue as I have only the info of the last half hour in IRC to go on :p [14:16] yeah rpm is not with maverick [14:16] np nlsthzn ty for trying [14:18] All of them say to delete the lock file... so just need to find it :p [14:19] /var/lib/dpkg/lock maybe this is the lock file for ubuntu [14:19] so it should be sudo rm /var/lib/dpkg/lock [14:20] then do sudo apt-get clean [14:20] then do sudo apt-get clean [14:20] sudo apt-get update [14:20] sudo apt-get upgrade [14:20] I think :p [14:21] I don't know... will only be home in a few hours [14:24] thanks i will tell him when he comes back to me [14:25] might be that compizconf he tried to remove [14:25] i dont even know what that does [14:26] * nlsthzn shrugs [14:27] lol [14:28] I usually re-install long before I have given enough though or care into the problem (which makes me lousy at remembering commands and trouble-shooting [14:28] lol [14:29] maybe there is a repair broken packages command [14:30] im scared to tell him to do it on bootup in case he does know how to login from there [14:31] maybe thats the best for him that recovery at boot [14:31] Is he in contact with you via e-mail? [14:31] Where can I get more info on his issue? [14:31] and i must just tell him to sudo gdm start to get back in [14:31] yeah on the lists [14:33] it looks like he is locked out from installing anything since deleted compiz [14:33] one of the times i had to use root was with a similar prob [14:34] locked out from installing anything [14:34] Hmmm... I have to check my spam folder... [14:35] yeah dunno why gmail sends some ubuntu peeps to spam [14:36] Nah... I am not finding the mail with the info :/ I must be slipping in my old age... :p [14:36] hehe [14:36] in our lists [14:37] i have deleted 5 or 6 in my evolution [14:37] I looked... I saw one Jan moaning about someone elses issues but not one struggling with installing stuff :/ [14:38] do you have the e-mail subject for me... [14:38] sec i go see [14:41] I have to go home now :D... just talk to my secretary.... she is called Maaz online :p [14:41] lol [14:52] <|3o|3> Anyone have a 64 bit natty in Hermanus? [14:55] Kilos: pong [14:56] lo nuvolari kodez will weet wanneer julle begin met julle klasse [14:56] hy stel ook belang [14:56] en neil ook [15:00] Kilos: well, ons gaan deur die materiaal soos ons tyd kry [15:01] ok nuvolari hulle vra of jy dit sal op die lists sit wanneer julle reg is [15:02] hmm, ons sal die mailing list details hier moet opsit [15:03] ja asb seun [15:03] kondig net aan wanneer hier en op die lists [15:24] hiya Langjan [15:25] are you here from the mailing lists Langjan ? [15:34] not easy for us ballies to get used to these wonderful new toys [15:35] hehe [15:43] hi Langjan i see you here [15:44] at the bottom of the window you see where it says #ubuntu-za-freenode tick there and then type [16:40] hi kbmonkey [16:40] hi Kilos [16:40] how you? [16:40] couple more guys interest in your LPI course [16:40] well ty [16:41] and you? [16:41] fine. yes i saw them join the email list. im not sure if it works though, messages not coming thru. hmm [16:41] eish [16:42] gmail sometimes dumps peeps in spam. i dunno why [17:30] o/ [17:30] yellow, will anyone have something against me if I post info about the LPI learning group to ubuntu-za mailing list? [17:31] nuvolari: please DO!!!!!!! [17:33] nuvolari: oh and I have run into a number of awesome plug-ins chrome exclusive :( ... Guess it is +1 for them but it does cause other browsers to start lagging behind when it is for Gmail, and G+... [17:35] hmm, I think I'll just get the list archive link :P it was posted by kbmonkey already [17:37] nuvolari: any idea when you guys want to start this thing? [17:38] Maaz: lpi.init is http://goo.gl/8Pnv0 [17:38] nuvolari: Got it [17:38] Maaz: lpi.init [17:38] nuvolari: lpi.init is http://goo.gl/8Pnv0 [17:38] nlsthzn: ^ [17:39] oom Kilos ^ [17:39] ja nuvolari [17:39] lol [17:39] daai link is die begin van ons LPI-mission [17:39] ok ek gaan kyk [17:40] nuvolari: oh... I saw this mail... I want to do it, but I am not in SA... I will do the exam and studying alone here in the UAE... [17:40] nlsthzn: you're welcome do that [17:41] It's not restricted to ZA, as we're quite wide-spread here to have actual meet-ups [17:41] nuvolari: hmmm... then I will definitly look into doing this... [17:42] so the goal is to have a group of people that knows the same stuff, asking questions or providing help to other ones [17:42] it's pretty much self-paced since we don't all have the same schedules [17:43] I will mention that everyone needs to read the initial mailing list post [17:44] nuvolari, how can it say mail to https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-za [17:44] to subscribe [17:44] eh? [17:44] hey nuvolari, yes thanks for that link :D [17:44] nee oom Kilos [17:44] it's a bit up, not the last link [17:44] wat doen ek verkeerd [17:44] btw did you get that email from the mailing list nuvolari? I wonder if the mails are going through [17:45] * send an email to linux-learning-sa-request at freelists.org with [17:45] 'subscribe' in the Subject field [17:45] I hope the mails don't get spam blocked :/ [17:45] kbmonkey: which one? [17:45] I got several :P [17:45] 2 to be exact [17:45] i dont find an email address there [17:46] oh well if you got any, then I'm happy nuvolari :) [17:46] Kilos: oom, dis weggesteek :P [17:46] Kilos: oom moet die 'at' met 'n @ vervang [17:46] kbmonkey: will doublecheck [17:46] which ones I got [17:47] kbmonkey: the one with the link to the LPI pdf? [17:47] I received that right after subscribing [17:47] the welcome email has that link, I'll find it for you... [17:48] the link to the pdf -> http://www.linuxcertification.co.za/lpi-study-manual [17:48] the first link, the new syllabus [17:48] kbmonkey: it's the one i'm talking about :P [17:49] sorry, I'm busy multitasking, silly apie! [17:49] kbmonkey: did you read the part in the manual mentioning that the aim is to make it affordable in africa? [17:49] yes that is great [17:50] I doubt the figures they mention in the mails are really following convention [17:50] especially if they aim for the greater part of africa [17:51] done :D [17:52] Sweet rules for posting... I like the vibe... plus one for sure [17:53] he he [17:53] kbmonkey: now that I surf the archives... I think they ended up in my spam folder [17:53] * nuvolari goes to look [17:54] only after everything did I click I should have used google groups for the list - less likely to be spam blocked [17:55] whoa! google is spot-on. I got a phishing mail [17:56] whut? FNB and Nedbank, the same mail [17:59] http://www.ustream.tv/channel/at-home-with-jono-bacon [18:01] :? something is not right [18:01] I'm subscribed, but didn't receive the last 2 messages you sent kbmonkey [18:03] and it's not in my spam folder [18:04] that is worrying [18:05] maybe i need to move it to google groups before the list gets any discussions going [18:05] because I checked the list settings and my spam too and can't see any reason for the lost mails [18:06] why is it so involed to subscribe [18:06] * nuvolari points at kbmonkey [18:06] not me oom [18:06] :P [18:07] kbmonkey: check for a "ping" mail [18:07] by default, you need to confirm the subscription Kilos, to avoid scripts from subsribing [18:08] List context changed to 'linux-learning-sa' by following command. [18:08] >> appsub linux-learning-sa msdomdonner@gmail.com 4E1DDB02:1E29.1:yvahkyrneavatfn [18:08] Subscribed. [18:08] ? [18:08] kbmonkey: ye, it's weird. [18:08] Request received for list 'linux-learning-sa' via request address. [18:08] >> ping? [18:08] Unknown command. [18:08] >> -- [18:08] Found signature marker, ending command mode. [18:08] that's after it said I'm subscribed [18:10] this be very weird [18:10] where do i confirm and what must i confirm if it says i am subscribed [18:10] Kilos: well, that's what I did [18:10] thought I'm subscribed [18:11]