[05:28] <scar[w]> good morning
[05:52] <superfly> morning scar[w]
[07:07] <Kilos> yay. Peter Nel is older than me
[07:07] <Kilos> morning superfly nuvolari and all others
[07:10] <Kilos> why doesnt someone invite him to come here for help?
[07:11] <Kilos> its hard waiting on the lists for help
[07:11] <Kilos> lo morgs Tonberry 
[07:11] <morgs> morning Kilos, all
[07:11] <Tonberry> lo
[07:12] <morgs> Kilos: helps with what?
[07:12] <Kilos> he is battling with open office looks like
[07:13] <Kilos> or opening some documents
[07:13] <superfly> morning Kilos
[07:14] <Kilos> sorry for not saying night last night. vodacom decided to cut data connectivity but fones still worked
[07:14] <Kilos> sigh
[07:14] <Kilos> vodacom has really gone downhill in the last 2 months
[07:20] <Kilos> i dont know if its out of place for me to invite peeps to come here because i cant help them but shame he is more of a bally than me
[07:20] <Kilos> and i dont have 11.04 running
[07:31] <nuvolari> morning oom Kilos, superfly, Tonberry, morgs 
[07:32] <morgs> Kilos: you can certainly invite people to come here...
[07:33] <Kilos> oh ty
[07:47] <Kilos> now reading the mails i am not sure if its peter nel or jan greef thats the bally
[07:47] <superfly> I think it's jan greef
[07:47] <Kilos> ok i will invite him ok?
[07:52] <scar[w]> morning Kilos
[07:52] <Kilos> hi there scar[w] howzit
[07:54] <scar[w]> can't complain, reading up on logrotate I always thought these things just sat in /etc/cron.monthly or something like that
[08:20]  * Kilos waves to nlsthzn 
[08:34] <nlsthzn> Hey uncle Kilos ... 
[08:40] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee on
[08:40]  * Maaz flips the salt-timer
[08:44] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos!
[08:44] <Kilos> Maaz, thanks man
[08:44] <Maaz> Kilos It gives me great pleasure to serve a bunch of geeks :-)
[08:49] <nlsthzn> Maaz: But why don't you want to server me...? Am I not geek enough :'(
[08:49] <Maaz> nlsthzn: Excuse me?
[08:49] <nlsthzn> See?!
[08:49] <Kilos> lol
[08:50] <Kilos> he is moody today
[08:50] <Kilos> Maaz, say hi to nlsthzn 
[08:50] <Maaz> hi to nlsthzn
[08:57] <nlsthzn> Maaz: say I am a dumb *ss
[08:57] <Maaz> I am a dumb *ss
[08:57] <nlsthzn> :D
[08:58] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee for nlsthzn 
[08:58] <Maaz> No, the arabs drink some concoction make from camel milk
[09:00] <superfly> "made" surely?
[09:01] <Kilos> huh?
[09:01] <Kilos> oh yes
[09:01] <Kilos> whew
[09:01] <Kilos> eish
[09:01] <Kilos> my editor is still up and awake
[09:02] <nlsthzn> hehe... it is a conspiracy
[09:02] <nlsthzn> hey superfly 
[09:05] <superfly> hi nlsthzn
[09:06] <Kilos> ty for the info on the lists nlsthzn 
[09:08] <nlsthzn> Just trying to help... :) but thanks for noticing...
[09:18] <Kilos> do we just wait for jan now or does he need more help nlsthzn 
[09:18] <Kilos> ek sukkel bietjie partykeer
[09:22] <nlsthzn> I haven't really followed the thread... I am at work currently but I did see the oppertunity to assisit with getting on IRC... 
[09:22] <nlsthzn> A quick help with little thought required :p
[09:22] <Kilos> ok ty nlsthzn 
[09:23] <nlsthzn> But if he does decide to help himself and come here I am sure he will be assisted quickly :) - The caped Kilos watches over Gotham Channel...
[09:24] <Kilos> lol
[09:24] <Kilos> he is also a bally  so this is a new experience most likely
[09:25] <Kilos> i also battled in the beginning. the fly helped me
[09:48] <Kilos> mornin Squirm2 
[09:48] <Kilos> lol
[09:48] <Kilos> 2 of you now
[09:54] <Kilos> morning maiatoday 
[10:09] <Squirm2> morning
[10:11] <Kilos> what is bumblebee for
[10:11] <Vhata_> fertilizing flowers
[10:12] <Kilos> hehe
[10:12] <Kilos> Vhata, well said
[10:13] <Kilos> im trying to help jan get xchat going and see he gets things like this
[10:13] <Kilos> Processing triggers for libc-bin ...
[10:13] <Kilos> ldconfig deferred processing now taking place
[10:13] <Kilos> Setting up bumblebee (2.0.0-5~maverick) ...
[10:14] <Kilos> i dont even have bumblebee in synaptic
[10:16] <Vhata> http://ubuntumanual.org/posts/361/battery-drain-problem-bumblebee-to-the-rescue
[10:16] <nlsthzn> Depending on what it is he can have added it from a different PPA
[10:17] <nlsthzn> Yup... there is a PPA...
[10:17] <Kilos> wish he could get here
[10:18] <Kilos> lists hard work
[10:29] <Kilos> at least it looks like he is using maverick so maybe i can help him
[10:50] <Kilos> hi trev_ 
[10:50] <trev_> hello
[10:50] <Kilos> first time i heard of xchat battling to install
[10:53] <Kilos> hiya kodez 
[10:53] <kodez> hola heita kilos, how are you today?
[10:53] <Kilos> good ty kodez  and you
[10:54] <kodez> i'm better than yesterday, thanks for asking.
[10:56] <kodez> i managed to get ubuntu 11.04 DVD and am not winning in terms of configuring synaptic manager to get the remaining software from the disci. please held
[10:56] <kodez> please help
[10:57] <Kilos> sudo apt-get update
[10:57] <Kilos> then sudo apt-get upgrade
[10:59] <Vhata> aptitude
[10:59] <nlsthzn> aptitude has super cow powers
[10:59] <Kilos> i dont know if aptitude is in 11.04 Vhata 
[10:59] <Kilos> had to install it in maverick
[11:00] <Vhata> you're kidding
[11:00] <Kilos> no
[11:00] <Kilos> its an installable package
[11:00] <Vhata> I thought it was replacing apt-get
[11:01] <Kilos> i dunno about natty
[11:01] <trev_> so the only time you use atp-get is to apt-get isntall aptitude!
[11:01] <Kilos> thats what i did trev_ . used apt-get to install aptitude
[11:01] <Kilos> lol
[11:02] <kodez> i want to install all this applications from the DVD not internet. i want to know how to configure it to look for the application from the dvd
[11:02] <Kilos> ok open the dvd
[11:02] <Kilos> right click what you want to install
[11:02] <Kilos> and install with gdebi if its still there
[11:03] <Kilos> might have dependancy issues, but if they are also on the dvd you can then install them first
[11:04] <Kilos> gdebi will tell you what dependancies are needed
[11:06] <nlsthzn> aptitude replacing apt-get... that is a new rumour... syanptic being droped for software center isn't though :)
[11:07] <Kilos> but i think you will first need to do sudo apt-get update or sudo aptitude update 
[11:08] <Kilos> to my understanding update tells you system there is more than what is on the cd/dvd
[11:15] <Kilos> i member with maverick i had to install  gdebi as well
[11:29] <Kilos> i still havent found how to tell the system how to use a cd as a repo
[11:29] <Kilos> i think thats what kodez is looking for
[11:35] <nlsthzn> When inserting a CD with packages I normally get a message saying that a software source has been found and if I would like to scan it...
[11:35] <kodez> hi kilos, i appreciate your advice but that means i must  consistently look for the packages one by one while if i can use synaptic package manager i can select multiple application
[11:37] <kodez> nlsthza, unfortunately that message is not coming up but suprisingly it does when insert the same DVD on my laptop. 
[11:38] <kodez> i had installed ubuntu 64 bit on my pc using the dvd and a 32bit on my laptop using an alternate cd
[11:45] <Kilos> kodez, i could never find out how to use a local cd/dvdrom as a repo
[11:45] <Kilos> it woulda saved me many days of one package at a time
[11:46] <Kilos> but i read some there is a way to tell you pc to use the dvd as a repo but that long gone 
[11:46] <|3o|3> Kilos: dpkg-scanpackages
[11:46] <|3o|3> You can use that to make a repo out of any group of packages
[11:46] <Kilos> ty |3o|3 
[11:47] <Kilos> kodez, ^^
[11:47] <|3o|3> I can't remember where the tutorial is for it that I used when I didn't have internet
[11:48] <Kilos> lol i not the only one that forgets or losing things
[11:52] <superfly> Kilos: apt-cdrom
[11:52] <nlsthzn> in software sources you should still see the installation DVD as a source but without it being selected... maybe look at how it looks... insert CD/DVD and add a new source that resembles that entry but with the new info about the new CD/DVD... (sorry at work on XP can't play and see to assist more)
[11:53] <superfly> Maaz: tell kodez apt-cdrom
[11:53] <Maaz> superfly: Got it, I'll tell kodez on freenode
[11:53] <Kilos> ty superfly 
[11:54] <nlsthzn> apt-awesome upgrade superfly -fy
[11:54] <Kilos> lol
[11:56] <nlsthzn> maiatoday: http://i.imgur.com/24lvg.jpg made me think of you :p
[12:24]  * nlsthzn is a conversation killer of the highest caliber
[12:25] <Kilos> what you did now
[12:28] <kodez> how can i mount an image (iso) file? i had forgotten the synatax
[12:28] <nlsthzn> After my last comment the channel was quiet for more than half an hour before I posted again :p
[12:28] <Kilos> hehe
[12:28] <nlsthzn> kodez: are you in terminal or in a GUI?
[12:29] <kodez> lol. unfortunately i was offline
[12:29] <Kilos> everything is quiet nlsthzn  even jan hasnt come back to me
[12:29] <kodez> both but i am interested to mount using the terminal
[12:30] <kodez> the iso is in my desktop and i want to mount it to /media/iso
[12:30] <Kilos> he has a strange maverick that wont even install xchat
[12:30] <nlsthzn> kodez: sorry... I don't know how to mount that way (sad really) ... give me a few months... I got the book and I will pass the LPI exam before the year of the linux desktop
[12:31] <kodez> i must pass that exam too but must have a sturdy study program
[12:31] <Kilos> kodez, nuvolari and kbmonkey are going to do it online here soon
[12:32] <kodez> do what? do you mean the exam?
[12:32] <nlsthzn> kodez: cool... good luck... I know I will need it :p
[12:33] <Kilos> they are going to go through the whole course
[12:33] <kodez> kwl, i am available to learn. i must just get some more airtime
[12:34] <Kilos> they gave the link to download the manual they will be working through
[12:34] <nlsthzn> Kilos: Hmmm... that is good news... I have two free online study guides (suspect they will be using one of them) as well as a study guide by Sybex...
[12:35] <kodez> please pass the link again
[12:35] <Kilos> i am trying to find it
[12:36] <Kilos> gotta scroll back 3 days i think
[12:36] <Kilos> was 4.2meg
[12:37] <Kilos> http://www.linuxcertification.co.za/lpi-study-manual
[12:38] <nlsthzn> Kilos: your the man :)
[12:38] <Kilos> o.O
[12:38] <nlsthzn> Hmmm... don't think I have this one to be honest... Mr. Kilos please tell the guys to announce on the mailing list and/or on the web site when they plan on doing this
[12:39] <Kilos> i dunno how you guys gonna remember all those commands
[12:39] <Squirm> hmm, I also have a good manual somewhere
[12:39]  * Squirm browses bookmarks
[12:39] <nlsthzn> man man
[12:39] <Kilos> this is the latest Squirm 
[12:39] <kodez> thanks kilos
[12:39] <Kilos> yw kodez 
[12:39] <nlsthzn> This is one of those I have...
[12:40] <kodez> fro the link
[12:40] <Kilos> for teachers too
[12:41] <Squirm> the shuttleworth foundation had study material
[12:42] <Squirm> tbh I dont know how up to date it is
[12:42] <nlsthzn> There has been a revision to the curriculum recently... 2010 I think
[12:51] <Kilos> nlsthzn, i will tell themj or ask them to do so. or do it for them
[12:52] <nlsthzn> Kilos: thanks :) depending on what they are planning I hope they have some notes etc. for anyone not able to be online when they do... as I am always off-line when it matters :p
[12:57] <Kilos> as far as i know nlsthzn they are going through the whole manual for anyone that needs help
[12:58] <Kilos> and there will always be the logs here to look back on
[12:58] <nlsthzn> Depending on how fast they go I might be able to keep up :) ... but the learning curve is steep...
[12:59] <Kilos> well hopefully i will have data to  be with you all so mostly it will be at my speed
[12:59] <Kilos> hehe
[13:00] <Kilos> but with the manual you can go through it and check where you steek vas
[13:03] <nlsthzn> Kilos: Cool... so you going to become a 1337 *nix hacker too... sweet
[13:03] <Kilos> lol no man i have to keep going back to the manual for commands
[13:04] <Kilos> but if i can learn just a little it will be more than i know now
[13:06] <nlsthzn> I think you will be surprised how much you already know... every now and again I hear questions or see people do strange things and go "WTF!?" Then I realize that many things that have become second nature wasn't so a few years ago :)
[13:11] <Kilos> thats what makes it frustrating for lotsa guys to help us newbies
[13:11] <Kilos> like when i started i was given commands  without sudo in the front mosta the time
[13:11] <Kilos> and couldnt get things to work
[13:12] <Kilos> at least now i remember sudo if it doesnt work without it
[13:12] <Kilos> and even a killer command to become root
[13:12] <Kilos> hehe
[13:13] <nlsthzn> In Ubuntu you really never have to be root...
[13:13] <nlsthzn> Make me a sandwhich
[13:13] <nlsthzn> No
[13:13] <nlsthzn> sudo make me a sandwhich
[13:13] <nlsthzn> :p
[13:14] <Kilos> i have had to when things went bad here
[13:14] <Kilos> twice sudo wasnt good enough
[13:14] <nlsthzn> They shouldn't ever get that bad :p
[13:15] <Kilos> ya but murphy lives here
[13:15] <nlsthzn> :)
[13:16] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee on
[13:16]  * Maaz puts the kettle on
[13:16] <Kilos> nlsthzn, coffee time
[13:17] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee time
[13:17] <Maaz> It is always coffee time!
[13:17] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee for all
[13:17] <Maaz> Come on ya buncha geeks. Rock up with your mugs with the correct amount of sugar added already
[13:17] <kodez> what time will the class start?
[13:17] <Kilos> what class?
[13:18] <kodez> lpi?
[13:18] <Kilos> they will tell us when the are ready kodez 
[13:19] <Kilos> they still working it all out
[13:19] <Kilos> nuvolari, ping
[13:20] <kodez> ok, i want to go to BP garage to get 8ta airtime and i don't want to loose. but i hope i will not loose that much if they will start before i'm back
[13:20] <Kilos> it wont be today kodez 
[13:20] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos!
[13:20] <Kilos> Maaz, ty
[13:20] <Maaz> Enjoy Kilos
[13:29] <nlsthzn> :) 
[13:29] <nlsthzn> I am having some tea...so there :p
[13:29] <Kilos> lol
[14:04] <Kilos> what can be blocking jan here please
[14:04] <Kilos> http://slexy.org/view/s21nsme6pk
[14:04] <Kilos> synaptic normally blocks it
[14:07] <nlsthzn> Social networking site blocked at work... sorry...
[14:08] <Kilos> np nlsthzn  ty
[14:09] <Kilos> its the normall message you get if you sudo install and synaptic is open
[14:09] <Kilos> all he has open is thunderbird and skype
[14:10] <Kilos> i dunno what thunderbird is
[14:11] <Kilos> told him to do sudo apt-get update and upgrade
[14:11] <Kilos> he says this now
[14:11] <Kilos> I'm currently running updates Miles, perhaps that will help. The UMgr 
[14:11] <Kilos> says it has to do a partial upgrade due to some problems with updates, 
[14:11] <Kilos> will keep in touch. Perhaps it has to do with my aborted attempt to 
[14:11] <Kilos> remove CompizConfig from the system.
[14:11] <Kilos> sigh
[14:13] <nlsthzn> ah... I know
[14:13] <nlsthzn> but not exactly
[14:13] <Kilos> lol
[14:13] <nlsthzn> there will be a file that is showing that the system is busy... basically locked that needs to be either edited or deleted... I am not sure what file and not sure which option
[14:14] <Kilos> shame he must be so frustrated, we been at it all morning
[14:14] <Kilos> hopefully his updates fixes his prob
[14:15] <nlsthzn> rm /var/lock/rpm/transaction 
[14:15] <nlsthzn> there is a file that needs deleting ... this command seems suspect cause it says rpm... got it from google
[14:16] <Kilos> he will let me know as soon as he has done updating
[14:16] <nlsthzn> but this happens when a previous session was terminated worngly and the lock it created isn'r removed
[14:16] <nlsthzn> I think that is the issue as I have only the info of the last half hour in IRC to go on :p
[14:16] <Kilos> yeah rpm is not with maverick
[14:16] <Kilos> np nlsthzn ty for trying
[14:18] <nlsthzn> All of them say to delete the lock file... so just need to find it :p
[14:19] <nlsthzn> /var/lib/dpkg/lock maybe this is the lock file for ubuntu
[14:19] <nlsthzn> so it should be sudo rm /var/lib/dpkg/lock
[14:20] <nlsthzn> then do sudo apt-get clean
[14:20] <nlsthzn> then do sudo apt-get clean
[14:20] <nlsthzn> sudo apt-get update
[14:20] <nlsthzn> sudo apt-get upgrade
[14:20] <nlsthzn> I think :p
[14:21] <nlsthzn> I don't know... will only be home in a few hours
[14:24] <Kilos> thanks i will tell him when he comes back to me
[14:25] <Kilos> might be that compizconf he tried to remove
[14:25] <Kilos> i dont even know what that does
[14:26]  * nlsthzn shrugs
[14:27] <Kilos> lol
[14:28] <nlsthzn> I usually re-install long before I have given enough though or care into the problem (which makes me lousy at remembering commands and trouble-shooting
[14:28] <Kilos> lol
[14:29] <Kilos> maybe there is a repair broken packages command
[14:30] <Kilos> im scared to tell him to do it on bootup in case he does know how to login from there
[14:31] <Kilos> maybe thats the best for him that recovery at boot
[14:31] <nlsthzn> Is he in contact with you via e-mail?
[14:31] <nlsthzn> Where can I get more info on his issue?
[14:31] <Kilos> and i must just tell him to sudo gdm start to get back in
[14:31] <Kilos> yeah on the lists
[14:33] <Kilos> it looks like he is locked out from installing anything since deleted compiz
[14:33] <Kilos> one of the times i had to use root was with a similar prob
[14:34] <Kilos> locked out from installing anything
[14:34] <nlsthzn> Hmmm... I have to check my spam folder... 
[14:35] <Kilos> yeah dunno why gmail sends some ubuntu peeps to spam
[14:36] <nlsthzn> Nah... I am not finding the mail with the info :/ I must be slipping in my old age... :p
[14:36] <Kilos> hehe
[14:36] <Kilos> in our lists
[14:37] <Kilos> i have deleted 5 or 6 in my evolution
[14:37] <nlsthzn> I looked... I saw one Jan moaning about someone elses issues but not one struggling with installing stuff :/
[14:38] <nlsthzn> do you have the e-mail subject for me...
[14:38] <Kilos> sec i go see
[14:41] <nlsthzn> I have to go home now :D... just talk to my secretary.... she is called Maaz online :p
[14:41] <Kilos> lol
[14:52] <|3o|3> Anyone have a 64 bit natty in Hermanus?
[14:55] <nuvolari> Kilos: pong
[14:56] <Kilos> lo nuvolari kodez will weet wanneer julle begin met julle klasse
[14:56] <Kilos> hy stel ook belang
[14:56] <Kilos> en neil ook
[15:00] <nuvolari> Kilos: well, ons gaan deur die materiaal soos ons tyd kry
[15:01] <Kilos> ok nuvolari  hulle vra of jy dit sal op die lists sit wanneer julle reg is
[15:02] <nuvolari> hmm, ons sal die mailing list details hier moet opsit
[15:03] <Kilos> ja asb seun
[15:03] <Kilos> kondig net aan wanneer hier en op die lists
[15:24] <Kilos> hiya Langjan 
[15:25] <Kilos> are you here from the mailing lists Langjan ?
[15:34] <Kilos> not easy for us ballies to get used to these wonderful new toys
[15:35] <Kilos> hehe
[15:43] <Kilos> hi Langjan  i see you here
[15:44] <Kilos> at the bottom of the window you see where it says #ubuntu-za-freenode tick there and then type
[16:40] <Kilos> hi kbmonkey 
[16:40] <kbmonkey> hi Kilos 
[16:40] <kbmonkey> how you?
[16:40] <Kilos> couple more guys interest in your LPI course
[16:40] <Kilos> well ty
[16:41] <Kilos> and you?
[16:41] <kbmonkey> fine. yes i saw them join the email list. im not sure if it works though, messages not coming thru. hmm
[16:41] <Kilos> eish
[16:42] <Kilos> gmail sometimes dumps peeps in spam. i dunno why
[17:30] <nuvolari> o/
[17:30] <nuvolari> yellow, will anyone have something against me if I post info about the LPI learning group to ubuntu-za mailing list?
[17:31] <nlsthzn> nuvolari: please DO!!!!!!!
[17:33] <nlsthzn> nuvolari: oh and I have run into a number of awesome plug-ins chrome exclusive :( ... Guess it is +1 for them but it does cause other browsers to start lagging behind when it is for Gmail, and G+...
[17:35] <nuvolari> hmm, I think I'll just get the list archive link :P it was posted by kbmonkey already
[17:37] <nlsthzn> nuvolari: any idea when you guys want to start this thing?
[17:38] <nuvolari> Maaz: lpi.init is http://goo.gl/8Pnv0
[17:38] <Maaz> nuvolari: Got it
[17:38] <nuvolari> Maaz: lpi.init
[17:38] <Maaz> nuvolari: lpi.init is http://goo.gl/8Pnv0
[17:38] <nuvolari> nlsthzn: ^
[17:39] <nuvolari> oom Kilos ^
[17:39] <Kilos> ja nuvolari 
[17:39] <Kilos> lol
[17:39] <nuvolari> daai link is die begin van ons LPI-mission
[17:39] <Kilos> ok ek gaan kyk
[17:40] <nlsthzn> nuvolari: oh... I saw this mail... I want to do it, but I am not in SA... I will do the exam and studying alone here in the UAE... 
[17:40] <nuvolari> nlsthzn: you're welcome do that
[17:41] <nuvolari> It's not restricted to ZA, as we're quite wide-spread here to have actual meet-ups
[17:41] <nlsthzn> nuvolari: hmmm... then I will definitly look into doing this...
[17:42] <nuvolari> so the goal is to have a group of people that knows the same stuff, asking questions or providing help to other ones
[17:42] <nuvolari> it's pretty much self-paced since we don't all have the same schedules
[17:43] <nuvolari> I will mention that everyone needs to read the initial mailing list post
[17:44] <Kilos> nuvolari, how can it say mail to https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-za
[17:44] <Kilos> to subscribe
[17:44] <nuvolari> eh?
[17:44] <kbmonkey> hey nuvolari, yes thanks for that link :D
[17:44] <nuvolari> nee oom Kilos 
[17:44] <nuvolari> it's a bit up, not the last link
[17:44] <Kilos> wat doen ek verkeerd
[17:44] <kbmonkey> btw did you get that email from the mailing list nuvolari? I wonder if the mails are going through
[17:45] <Kilos>  * send an email to linux-learning-sa-request at freelists.org with 
[17:45] <Kilos> 'subscribe' in the Subject field
[17:45] <kbmonkey> I hope the mails don't get spam blocked :/
[17:45] <nuvolari> kbmonkey: which one?
[17:45] <nuvolari> I got several :P
[17:45] <nuvolari> 2 to be exact
[17:45] <Kilos> i dont find an email address there
[17:46] <kbmonkey> oh well if you got any, then I'm happy nuvolari :)
[17:46] <nuvolari> Kilos: oom, dis weggesteek :P
[17:46] <nuvolari> Kilos: oom moet die 'at' met 'n @ vervang
[17:46] <nuvolari> kbmonkey: will doublecheck
[17:46] <nuvolari> which ones I got
[17:47] <nuvolari> kbmonkey: the one with the link to the LPI pdf?
[17:47] <nuvolari> I received that right after subscribing
[17:47] <kbmonkey> the welcome email has that link, I'll find it for you...
[17:48] <kbmonkey> the link to the pdf -> http://www.linuxcertification.co.za/lpi-study-manual
[17:48] <kbmonkey> the first link, the new syllabus
[17:48] <nuvolari> kbmonkey: it's the one i'm talking about :P
[17:49] <kbmonkey> sorry, I'm busy multitasking, silly apie!
[17:49] <nuvolari> kbmonkey: did you read the part in the manual mentioning that the aim is to make it affordable in africa?
[17:49] <kbmonkey> yes that is great
[17:50] <nuvolari> I doubt the figures they mention in the mails are really following convention
[17:50] <nuvolari> especially if they aim for the greater part of africa
[17:51] <nlsthzn> done :D
[17:52] <nlsthzn> Sweet rules for posting... I like the vibe... plus one for sure
[17:53] <kbmonkey> he he
[17:53] <nuvolari> kbmonkey: now that I surf the archives... I think they ended up in my spam folder
[17:53]  * nuvolari goes to look
[17:54] <kbmonkey> only after everything did I click I should have used google groups for the list - less likely to be spam blocked 
[17:55] <nuvolari> whoa! google is spot-on. I got a phishing mail
[17:56] <nuvolari> whut? FNB and Nedbank, the same mail
[17:59] <nlsthzn> http://www.ustream.tv/channel/at-home-with-jono-bacon
[18:01] <nuvolari> :? something is not right
[18:01] <nuvolari> I'm subscribed, but didn't receive the last 2 messages you sent kbmonkey 
[18:03] <nuvolari> and it's not in my spam folder
[18:04] <kbmonkey> that is worrying
[18:05] <kbmonkey> maybe i need to move it to google groups before the list gets any discussions going
[18:05] <kbmonkey> because I checked the list settings and my spam too and can't see any reason for the lost mails
[18:06] <Kilos> why is it so involed to subscribe
[18:06]  * nuvolari points at kbmonkey
[18:06] <nuvolari> not me oom 
[18:06] <nuvolari> :P
[18:07] <nuvolari> kbmonkey: check for a "ping" mail
[18:07] <kbmonkey> by default, you need to confirm the subscription Kilos, to avoid scripts from subsribing
[18:08] <Kilos> List context changed to 'linux-learning-sa' by following command.
[18:08] <Kilos> >> appsub linux-learning-sa msdomdonner@gmail.com 4E1DDB02:1E29.1:yvahkyrneavatfn
[18:08] <Kilos> Subscribed.
[18:08] <Kilos> ?
[18:08] <nuvolari> kbmonkey: ye, it's weird.
[18:08] <nuvolari> Request received for list 'linux-learning-sa' via request address.
[18:08] <nuvolari> >> ping?
[18:08] <nuvolari> Unknown command.
[18:08] <nuvolari> >> --
[18:08] <nuvolari> Found signature marker, ending command mode.
[18:08] <nuvolari> that's after it said I'm subscribed
[18:10] <Kilos> this be very weird
[18:10] <Kilos> where do i confirm and what must i confirm if it says i am subscribed
[18:10] <nuvolari> Kilos: well, that's what I did
[18:10] <nuvolari> thought I'm subscribed
[18:11] <kbmonkey> it's strange nuvolari because when I log into the freelist admin section, it only shows two users, me and corrie
[18:11] <nuvolari> :?
[18:11] <nuvolari> weird
[18:11] <Kilos> o/
[18:11] <kbmonkey> it's like everybody else aren't in the user list
[18:11] <kbmonkey> \o
[18:12] <nuvolari> kbmonkey: exactly :P
[18:12] <kbmonkey> I think I should move to G groups
[18:12] <nuvolari> kbmonkey: I guess you created it using google+ and we're not in your circle
[18:12] <nuvolari> fine
[18:12] <nuvolari> be lke that
[18:12] <nuvolari> *like
[18:12] <kbmonkey> ha ha ha
[18:12] <kbmonkey> +1
[18:16] <nuvolari> maybe I should try my hand at setting up mailman
[18:17]  * Kilos needs to practise whacking peeps online
[18:19] <nuvolari> like me oom Kilos ?
[18:19] <nuvolari> why?
[18:19] <nlsthzn> wife plugged out my PC :/
[18:20] <nuvolari> lol
[18:20] <nuvolari> wb anyways
[18:20] <Kilos> like kbmonkey  for making things so difficult and making me go to them sights
[18:20] <Kilos> lol @nl
[18:20] <Kilos> grr
[18:20] <nuvolari> whoot! mailman documentation in DVI format
[18:21] <nuvolari> don't see a lot of those
[18:21] <nuvolari> LaTeX ftw
[18:21] <Kilos> i still dunno if i am subscribed
[18:21] <nuvolari> Kilos: don't worry oom
[18:21] <nuvolari> we're going to ditch that one
[18:21] <nuvolari> we're going to get a bigger circle
[18:21] <nlsthzn> Kilos: you will get mail to reply too and get another mail
[18:21] <Kilos> why not put it in our ubuntu-za lists
[18:22] <Kilos> i got about 5 so far
[18:22] <Kilos> some saying leave the body intact
[18:22]  * nuvolari feels intimidated by mailman's documentation
[18:23] <nuvolari> Kilos: I gave up on it oom
[18:23] <nuvolari> after it said I can't try again
[18:23] <nuvolari> :P
[18:23] <nuvolari> said I'm abusing it
[18:23] <Kilos> i think advertise on our mailing list as well
[18:23] <Kilos> inna normal  mail
[18:24] <Kilos> that ballies can understand
[18:24] <Kilos> Request received for list 'linux-learning-sa' via request address.
[18:24] <Kilos> >> subscribe
[18:24] <Kilos> Subscription confirmation ticket sent to user being subscribed.
[18:25] <Kilos> so where is my confirmation ticket
[18:26] <Kilos> kbmonkey, do you see me there yet
[18:26] <Kilos> i have now got 8 mails
[18:27] <kbmonkey> 8 mails Kilos ?! what do they all say? im confused
[18:27] <Kilos> how do i follow this command
[18:27] <Kilos> List context changed to 'linux-learning-sa' by following command.
[18:27] <Kilos> >> appsub linux-learning-sa msdomdonner@gmail.com 4E1DE070:2B7F.1:yvahkyrneavatfn
[18:27] <Kilos> Subscribed.
[18:27] <Kilos> thats the last one
[18:27] <kbmonkey> did you subscribe 8 times?
[18:28] <Kilos> most of them are different
[18:28] <kbmonkey> well no matter I can add you to the list manually
[18:28] <nuvolari> kbmonkey: I used the web interface too
[18:28] <kbmonkey> I also subscribed with another mail and only got the one
[18:28] <nuvolari> without success
[18:28] <nuvolari> I get a welcoming mail every time
[18:28] <nlsthzn> Uncle Kilos is triple subscribed :D
[18:29] <kbmonkey> okay that settles it. dont worry oom Kilos we will sort you out :D
[18:29] <Kilos> ithen there is a welcome one
[18:29] <kbmonkey> I will use google groups (dbnlug uses that one too) and let the people involved know
[18:29] <Kilos> lol but they all a bit confusing
[18:31] <Kilos> well at least i am subscribed but i dunno which one went there 
[18:31] <Kilos> which 3
[18:31] <Kilos> one was even online
[18:32] <kbmonkey> its okay Kilos, I can add you to the list manually so you won't need to go through the effort ;)
[18:32] <Kilos> oh kbmonkey  am i not there
[18:35]  * Kilos needs to learn the gobsmack thing
[18:36] <Kilos> nlsthzn, see jan got here
[18:36] <Kilos> but thenjh i think he went home before he got webchat working
[18:36] <Kilos> he be langjan
[18:37] <kbmonkey> what gobsmack thing Kilos?
[18:37] <Kilos> i dunno. saw a while back that someone gobsmacked someone else
[18:38] <Kilos> whatever that might be
[18:38] <kbmonkey> on irc?
[18:38] <Kilos> i dont remember 
[18:38] <Kilos> just that word gobsmack stuck inna nut
[18:38] <nlsthzn> Who is Jan?!
[18:39]  * nuvolari looks around
[18:39] <nuvolari> not me
[18:39] <Kilos> he is a 68 year old man thats battling with maverick\
[18:39] <Kilos> prob started a while ago when he couldnt drag windows to other desktops i think
[18:40] <Kilos> then a coupla other things
[18:40] <Kilos> then tried to remove compizconfig
[18:41] <Kilos> now his pc refuses to let him update or install anything
[18:41] <Kilos> he is like i was in the beginning
[18:41] <Kilos> thats why i wanted to know if i could invite him here so we can help
[18:42] <Kilos> its very difficult via mails
[18:42] <Langjan> Hi Kilos, at last I see how it works.
[18:42] <Kilos> i dont know if compizconf can lock anything like that
[18:43] <Kilos> hey Langjan welcome to ubuntu-za
[18:44] <Kilos> xchat is much easier , we jus5t need to find out whats locking you out of being able to install anything
[18:44] <Langjan> thanks, well compiz stopped doing it when I tried to remove it which apparently disabled it (and the rest of my upgradeability)  
[18:45] <Kilos> Langjan, the clever guys are here when they not too busy working but if one is patient one always gets help here
[18:46] <Langjan> Sounds good Kilos, thanks for the help thus far.
[18:46] <Kilos> you can most likely still install from root itself but lets hear what the boffins say first
[18:46] <Kilos> you are welcome
[18:47] <Kilos> kbmonkey, do we go root or not
[18:47] <Langjan> When you say root you lose me...
[18:47] <Kilos> nlsthzn, ?
[18:47] <nlsthzn> sorry uncle Kilos I am watching Jono for a bit...
[18:47] <Kilos> ok nlsthzn 
[18:48] <Kilos> sudo normally gives you root access
[18:48] <Kilos> but there is one step even deeper
[18:48] <nlsthzn> what error is given when typing sudo apt-get update in terminal?
[18:48] <kbmonkey> hi there Langjan, let me read what is going on...
[18:48] <kbmonkey> :)
[18:48] <Kilos> but in there one cam make mistakes and mess up everything
[18:49] <Kilos> it says you dont have permission nlsthzn 
[18:49] <Kilos> and asks are you root
[18:49] <nlsthzn> with sudo typed and correct user name entered
[18:50] <Kilos> yip
[18:50] <Kilos> even with updating it fails
[18:50] <Kilos> Langjan, do you know how to use a pastebin
[18:51] <nlsthzn> sound like the user isn't in the sudo'er file any longer... not sure how to fix that :/ give me a sec
[18:51] <Kilos> ty nlsthzn 
[18:52] <nlsthzn> first link I see is the following http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1054608
[18:53] <Kilos> Langjan, can you go see that link
[18:53] <kbmonkey> if he's not in the sudoers file, you can boot into recovery mode and edit the sudoers file with visudo, but that is really not an absolute beginner thing to attempt
[18:53] <Kilos> i cant go see nlsthzn 
[18:53] <Kilos> jan isnt an it guy
[18:53] <Kilos> IT
[18:53] <Kilos> but not as bad as i was
[18:54] <nlsthzn> Go for it Mr Kilos ... your the go to guy now :D
[18:54] <Kilos> ive already used 2 days data today
[18:54] <kbmonkey> what exactly is the problem, Langjan? can you fill me in
[18:54] <Kilos> no man you guys are the brains
[18:55] <Kilos> he cannot install anything
[18:55] <Kilos> or even upgrade
[18:56] <Kilos> here is an example output
[18:56] <Kilos> jan@jan-System-Product-Name:~$ sudo apt-get install xchat
[18:56] <Kilos> >>>> [sudo] password for jan:
[18:56] <Kilos> >>>> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11: Resource
[18:56] <Kilos> >>>> temporarily unavailable)
[18:56] <Kilos> >>>> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is
[18:56] <Kilos> >>>> another process using it?
[18:56] <Kilos> sorry for spamming
[18:57] <kbmonkey> ah I know how to fix that :D
[18:57] <kbmonkey> you are right Kilos, when you have synaptic or the software center is using it, it gets locked
[18:58] <kbmonkey> let me query the all knowing google...
[18:58] <Kilos> but they are both off
[18:58] <Kilos> lol
[18:58] <Langjan> Pastebin? Don't even know what it is. Problem is when I tried to remove compiz it froze on me, it was logging me out every few minutes. Since then my system does not update. 
[18:59] <Kilos> i would have gone root and done apt-get upgrade
[18:59] <Kilos> Langjan,  do ytou know how to go recoverymode when booting
[18:59] <Langjan> jan@jan-System-Product-Name:~$ apt-get upgrade E: Could not open lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (13: Permission denied) E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), are you root? jan@jan-System-Product-Name:~$ 
[18:59] <kbmonkey> the root user is disabled in Ubuntu as far as I know Kilos, which is why we use sudo instead
[19:00] <Kilos> i went in there with sudo -i
[19:00] <kbmonkey> Langjan, I assume you have rebooted since, and still get that lock error?
[19:00] <Kilos> but was warned to be very careful
[19:00] <Langjan> Yes
[19:01] <Langjan> reboot did not help
[19:02] <kbmonkey> that location that the system needs is locked, and I'm just looking for the command to unlock it for you...
[19:02] <nlsthzn> the lock file needs to be deleted
[19:02] <Langjan> thanks
[19:02] <kbmonkey> it should unlock automatically when you install applications, but sometimes when something goes wrong, like a crash, it does not get unlocked
[19:03] <Langjan> should I try to install an application?
[19:03] <kbmonkey> Langjan, try this command in a terminal:
[19:03] <kbmonkey> sudo rm /var/lib/dpkg/lock
[19:03] <nlsthzn> kbmonkey: that is the one :)
[19:04] <kbmonkey> then you can try update your repos with:
[19:04] <kbmonkey> sudo apt-get update
[19:04] <Langjan> jan@jan-System-Product-Name:~$ sudo rm /var/lib/dpkg/lock [sudo] password for jan:  rm: cannot remove `/var/lib/dpkg/lock': No such file or directory jan@jan-System-Product-Name:~$ 
[19:04] <nlsthzn> ?
[19:04] <nlsthzn> crap... I see I have the file
[19:04] <kbmonkey> strange, I have that file. hmmm
[19:05] <Kilos> its been hidden methinks
[19:05] <Langjan> running on update command
[19:05] <Kilos> ls -la
[19:05] <nlsthzn> Langjan: if you browse to /var/lib/dpkg do you see a file called lock?
[19:06] <kbmonkey> the file 'lock' is not hidden, hidden files start with a '.' Kilos ;)
[19:06] <Kilos> ah ty i am learning as we go
[19:07] <Kilos> maybe its dpkg that corrupt
[19:07] <Langjan> Outcome:files contains configuration for specific systems.  rofiles hasn't been individually testest and are submitted by users.                    1   System manufacturer System Product Name:                   2   PCI:01:00:0 PCI:01:00:0:                   997 Enter Manual Configuration                   998 Show all profiles.                   999 Do not configure now.                   
[19:07] <kbmonkey> Langjan, try this one:
[19:07] <kbmonkey> sudo rm /var/cache/apt/archives/lock
[19:08] <kodez> look me in your heart, i'm there
[19:08] <Langjan> jan@jan-System-Product-Name:~$ sudo rm /var/cache/apt/archives/lock [sudo] password for jan:  jan@jan-System-Product-Name:~$ sudo rm /var/cache/apt/archives/lock rm: cannot remove `/var/cache/apt/archives/lock': No such file or directory jan@jan-System-Product-Name:~$ 
[19:09] <kodez> wrong post, apologies
[19:09] <nlsthzn> kodez: hehe
[19:09] <kbmonkey> awe kodez, you do care! ;P
[19:09] <nlsthzn> Langjan: we have many guru's here that come and go... please don't loose heart... we want to get your PC fixed as badly as you do!!
[19:10] <Langjan> Thanks guys, appreciated. 
[19:11] <Kilos> is it not something that root has locked as seen in ls  -la kbmonkey 
[19:11] <Kilos> brb
[19:12] <nlsthzn> Kilos: everything points towards a locked update no sudo issues
[19:12] <kbmonkey> correct Kilos, installing apps or updates does so as root, but using sudo we have access to those files 
[19:14] <kbmonkey> i find it strange that both your lock files don't exist Langjan
[19:14] <Kilos> my pc did something similar and cocooncrash had to help
[19:14] <kodez> when must i come?
[19:14] <kbmonkey> Im looking for other causes of this error...
[19:15] <Kilos> sudo didnt work but installing from root did
[19:15] <nuvolari> booyah! what a mission struggling with postfix
[19:16] <Kilos> Langjan, see why i wanted you to get xchat
[19:17] <Kilos> i live on here via xchat
[19:17] <nuvolari> hmm
[19:17]  * nuvolari reads backlog
[19:20] <kbmonkey> Langjan, it seems your lock is due to an interrupted update
[19:20] <kbmonkey> try the instructions on this page to see if this helps: http://www.webmaster-forums.net/server-management/could-not-get-lock-varlibdpkglock-open-11-resource-temporarily-unavailable-error-d
[19:21] <kbmonkey> simply, it ends all the apt/dpkg processes, and runs 'dpkg --configure -a' to resume your updates
[19:22] <kbmonkey> oh and Langjan, you probably need to prefix those commands with 'sudo' so they run as the admin (root) user
[19:23] <nuvolari> ooh nice! based on ArchLinux: http://manjarolinux.org/hp/index.html
[19:24]  * nuvolari hacks into Langjan's machine
[19:24] <nuvolari> *g*
[19:24] <kbmonkey> XD
[19:26] <nlsthzn> :)
[19:26] <kbmonkey> ah nice one that nuvolari, I'll poke around Manjaro 
[19:27]  * nuvolari itches to switch to something less Ubuntu-like
[19:27] <highvoltage> less Ubuntu-like in what way?
[19:28] <highvoltage> (oh I see, arch)
[19:28] <Langjan> Same result, then  jan@jan-System-Product-Name:~$ sudo bash [sudo] password for jan:  root@jan-System-Product-Name:~# 
[19:28] <kbmonkey> also try crunchbanglinux.org ;D
[19:29] <Langjan> Same result as at 21:07
[19:29] <kbmonkey> okay let's see Langjan 
[19:30] <kbmonkey> did you run 'dpkg --configure -a' as that page said?\
[19:31] <nuvolari> kbmonkey: that manjaro is quite fresh! 9 July
[19:31] <Langjan> Yes, same dead end as at 21:07
[19:31] <kbmonkey> sorry Langjan that message at 21:07 does not make any sense to me, it doesnt seem relevant to what we doing/
[19:31] <nuvolari> or maybe I should just switch to plain debian
[19:31] <kbmonkey> Langjan: sudo apt-get update
[19:31] <superfly> Langjan: paste your terminal stuff into a pastebin please... http://pastebin.com is a good one
[19:32] <kbmonkey> also you entered 'sudo bash' which im not sure why you did but you may now be in a root terminal too
[19:33] <nlsthzn> nuvolari: 
[19:33] <nlsthzn> lol
[19:33] <nlsthzn> sorry
[19:33] <nlsthzn> I am always switching distro's
[19:33] <nlsthzn> for no good reason :)
[19:34] <nuvolari> bah. support duties
[19:34] <nuvolari> brb
[19:35] <kbmonkey> Langjan, so that error you get at 21:07 is when you run 'sudo apt-get update' ?
[19:35] <Kilos> superfly, any ideas why pastebin.com makes my pc run slow
[19:35] <Langjan> Superfly, I opened the pastebin site but don't understand what you mean by paste terminal stuff into it - the results? How do I get it to you? 
[19:35] <nlsthzn> guys it is late in the desert... Langjan good luck, hang in there... ubuntu rules... guys fix it k... :D
[19:35] <Kilos> i have to use slexy.org
[19:36] <Kilos> sleep tigtht nlsthzn 
[19:36] <Kilos> Langjan, you copy everything in your terminal
[19:36] <superfly> Langjan: you paste, you click submit, and then you give me the url
[19:37] <Kilos> then paste it to that pastebin window
[19:37] <Kilos> sorry superfly 
[19:38] <Langjan> Paste the outcome of each command? 
[19:38] <kbmonkey> Langjan, you select your terminal text results, right-click to copy it, and you paste it into that empty block on the pastebin.com website
[19:38] <Kilos> the whole thing at once
[19:38] <kbmonkey> click 'cubmit', then give us the URL address of that web page :)
[19:39] <kbmonkey> *'submit' 
[19:40]  * kbmonkey needs more hands and eyes to mulitask
[19:40] <Kilos> lol
[19:40] <Langjan> ok, my terminal is empty, what command would you like me to run? 
[19:41] <superfly> Langjan: tell us what you are trying to do... what is your aim (not what you are attempting to run)
[19:41] <kbmonkey> first Langjan, run this: sudo apt-get update && ps -aux | grep apt
[19:46] <Langjan> http://pastebin.com/EJ45eHT7
[19:47] <nuvolari> Langjan: do only "ps aux | grep apt"
[19:47] <nuvolari> and pastebin the result
[19:47] <kbmonkey> it looks like your apt does hit the repos, it gains the lock, but at some point it fails
[19:48] <kbmonkey> usually the lock would stop you from even getting this far. eh, i wonder if your apt cache is corrupt?
[19:48] <kbmonkey> could we try rm the apt cache so it rebuilds? what you other boffs think?
[19:49] <nuvolari> is synaptic running?
[19:49] <Langjan> http://pastebin.com/k18tZbYJ
[19:49] <nuvolari> kbmonkey: well, depends on his connection
[19:50] <kbmonkey> its confusing nuvolari, apparently it does this after reboot and no synaptic or such running :/
[19:51] <nuvolari> ah
[19:51] <nuvolari> :? hmm
[19:51] <nuvolari> Langjan: do "ls -l /var/lib/dpkg/lock"
[19:51] <Langjan> ok
[19:51] <nuvolari> -rw-r----- 1 root root
[19:52] <nuvolari> Langjan: does it look like that?
[19:52] <kbmonkey> Langjan, you don't have synaptic, or the ubuntu software center open?
[19:52] <Langjan> http://pastebin.com/3J8Ntazn
[19:53] <Langjan> No, nothing open except thunderbird and these sites we are on, and skype
[19:54] <nuvolari> bah. permissions are correct
[19:55] <kbmonkey> okay, let's see what other repos you have in there that may be the problem
[19:55] <kbmonkey> Langjan, pls give us the output for this: cat /etc/apt/sources.list
[19:57] <Langjan> http://pastebin.com/AGS7hF7e
[20:00] <nuvolari> we're getting a good start to LPI :P
[20:00] <Kilos> uh oh
[20:01] <nuvolari> hmm. that was the wrong command
[20:02] <nuvolari> I found a thread mentioning ftp for this error...
[20:02] <nuvolari> weird
[20:03] <Kilos> we need to tell him howto do a recovery or fix broken packages on boot and then how to get gdm started again i think
[20:04] <Kilos> i am not sure if he does recovery if he will know how to get back on
[20:05] <nuvolari> Maaz: am I an idiot?
[20:05] <Maaz> nuvolari: *blink*
[20:05] <nuvolari> ah, welcome back Langjan 
[20:05] <nuvolari> just got worried :P
[20:05] <Kilos> whew
[20:06] <nuvolari> Langjan: would you try "ps aux  | egrep -i 'apt|ftp|kpack|dpkg'"
[20:06] <Langjan> I rebooted just to make sure all is well
[20:06] <nuvolari> ah
[20:06] <nuvolari> before doing anything else
[20:06] <nuvolari> wait. hmm, what shoud you do
[20:06]  * nuvolari wonders
[20:06] <kbmonkey> well it seems like the sources.list has the default repos. hmm
[20:07] <kbmonkey> Langjan, try this command: sudo fuser -cuk /var/lib/dpkg/lock; sudo rm -f /var/lib/dpkg/lock
[20:08] <Langjan> http://pastebin.com/K85Vt8mY
[20:08] <kbmonkey> it will end anything using the lock, and then remove the lock
[20:08] <nuvolari> Langjan: you missed the closing '
[20:08] <Langjan> Is that a single command?
[20:09] <Langjan> Sorry, I thought it was a mistake - my mistake!!
[20:10] <kbmonkey> yes its a single command
[20:10] <Langjan> Here's the first one again: http://pastebin.com/LTjSGY5H
[20:11] <nuvolari> Langjan: eh? did yo re-run it? you missed the closing '
[20:11] <nuvolari> oh
[20:11]  * nuvolari is blind
[20:11] <nuvolari> :P
[20:12] <nuvolari> ok, there's really no package app running
[20:12] <nuvolari> did you run the command kbmonkey gave?
[20:12] <nuvolari> going to peel an orange, brb
[20:13] <kbmonkey> if I run synaptic, and the apt update I get the same error
[20:15] <Kilos> yes thats right kb
[20:15] <Kilos> its like another package manager is running
[20:15] <Kilos> first thing i told him was close synaptic
[20:15] <Kilos> but it wasnt open
[20:16] <kbmonkey> this is confusing us, all the internet says its from another package manager running at the same time. but there clearly isnt
[20:16] <Langjan_> Last command gave me a black screen, had to reboot, then: http://pastebin.com/LTjSGY5H 
[20:17] <nuvolari> o.O
[20:18] <Langjan_> Could Ubuntu 10.04 on my second drive have anything to do with the problem?
[20:18] <nuvolari> this is an instant orange. just add water. really dry :-/
[20:18] <nuvolari> hmm, doubt that Langjan_ 
[20:18] <Kilos> lol
[20:18] <kbmonkey> Langjan_, your link from 21:53 shows the lock file is still there. try delete it again:
[20:18] <kbmonkey> sudo rm -f /var/lib/dpkg/lock
[20:19] <kbmonkey> just add coffee, nuvolari ;) yuck
[20:19] <kbmonkey> no I don't think your older Ubuntu could Langjan_, they should each have their own system files
[20:20] <kbmonkey> if the results are 2 lines you could paste them here 
[20:20]  * nuvolari tries to imagine coffee flavoured oranges
[20:20] <Kilos> unless it can be running automatic updates, but shouldnt if its not the boot drive
[20:20] <kbmonkey> Kilos you're getting smarter every day!
[20:21] <nuvolari> mind you oom Kilos, I think you're right
[20:21] <Kilos> still jy
[20:21] <Langjan_> http://pastebin.com/4UA6ZeTd
[20:21] <Kilos> lol
[20:21] <nuvolari> my system always does a check after startup
[20:21] <kbmonkey> ah so it deleted the lock this time, hope this works!
[20:21] <kbmonkey> Langjan_: sudo apt-get update
[20:22] <nuvolari> think we should get Langjan_ to install aptitude when this ordeal is over
[20:22] <Kilos> yes
[20:22] <kbmonkey> isn't aptitude installed by default?
[20:22] <Langjan_> runing...
[20:23] <Kilos> not on maverick
[20:23] <kbmonkey> I'm on #! so I have it 
[20:23] <Kilos> you have to install
[20:23] <nuvolari> kbmonkey: negative
[20:23]  * kbmonkey crosses fingers
[20:23] <Kilos> hehe
[20:23] <Kilos> it will work now
[20:24] <Kilos> but what put the lock there
[20:24] <Kilos> that is the million dollar question
[20:24] <nuvolari> I love the new conflict-resolve suggestions in 11.04
[20:24] <nuvolari> ooh, kbmonkey, you need to check out zathura
[20:24] <nuvolari> lightweight pdf reader
[20:24] <nuvolari> with vi-like key-bindings
[20:25] <kbmonkey> he tried to delete the lock at 21:04 but it said the file did not exist then. strange
[20:25] <Kilos> very
[20:25] <Kilos> some bug got in somehow
[20:27] <Langjan_> Got to a point where I had to manually run a command, then first output. I thought perhaps I should not have run the manual command, then tried anew, the second output. 
[20:27] <Langjan_> http://pastebin.com/6nx83iXx
[20:27] <Langjan_> Sorry if I messed you around.!
[20:28] <kbmonkey> what is that output from Langjan_? Im not sure what to make of it :p
[20:28] <nuvolari> :? ye, looks like output from different commands
[20:28] <Kilos> kbmonkey, try that --configure -a again
[20:29] <Kilos> i forget the rest of it
[20:31] <Kilos> dpkg --configure -a
[20:31] <Kilos> what you think
[20:31] <Kilos> might go further now the lock is removed
[20:32] <Langjan_> jan@jan-System-Product-Name:~$ dpkg --configure -a dpkg: requested operation requires superuser privilege jan@jan-System-Product-Name:~$ sudo dpkg --configure -a dpkg: status database area is locked by another process jan@jan-System-Product-Name:~$ 
[20:32] <nuvolari> what??? :O
[20:33] <Kilos> sudo dpkg --configure -a
[20:33] <Kilos> maybe we need to unplug secong drive
[20:33] <nuvolari> Kilos: he did run that oom :P halfway through the post
[20:34] <Kilos> yes but the dpkg lock has just been removed
[20:34] <kbmonkey> --configure -a tells dpkg to reconfigure packages that are still unconfigured
[20:34] <Kilos> is there a cli command to fix broken packages
[20:34] <kbmonkey> seems like Langjan_ you installed some package that is attempting to gain a lock, may be a bug in that package setup
[20:35] <kbmonkey> do you remember what you installed recently?
[20:35] <nuvolari> "The only programs that can lock the database are dpkg frontends like apt-get, synaptic, aptitude or dselect."
[20:36] <kbmonkey> or is there more to that error Langjan_, something that will tell us the name of the package doing this
[20:36] <Langjan_> Nothing I am aware of. When I tried to remove compiz it froze, then I tried to cancel the process, that also froze. Could that be the reason?
[20:39] <kbmonkey> but after removing the lock file, did you run update? did that work?
[20:39] <Kilos> Langjan_, why did you try remove compiz
[20:39] <Langjan_> Because it was logging me out every few minutes when the machine was idle
[20:40] <Kilos> ok
[20:40] <Langjan_> Or shall I say the logout problem arose after I i nstalled compiz and stopped after I tried to remove it.
[20:40] <kbmonkey> eish, I've run out of ideas here
[20:41] <kbmonkey> lets make sure you have all the compiz removed properly then, I guess
[20:41] <Kilos> Langjan_, do you know how to get back in if you go to recovery at bootup
[20:41] <Langjan_> My basics are running, lets try again another day, sleep on it. 
[20:41] <kbmonkey> but I don't have compiz or any of those, so which packages do we remove?
[20:42] <Kilos> it will say login you say jan
[20:42] <Kilos> then password then it will go to the prompt
[20:42] <Kilos> then you type in sudo gdm start
[20:42] <kbmonkey> okay Langjan_, but before you go, pls paste us this output so we can sleep on it :)
[20:42] <kbmonkey> cat /var/log/apt/history.log | tail -n 100
[20:42] <Langjan_> ok
[20:43] <kbmonkey> that will show us what you have recently installed 
[20:43] <kbmonkey> (the last 100 lines only)
[20:44] <nuvolari> me eyes are burning
[20:44] <Langjan_> http://pastebin.com/2qMpVBtD
[20:44] <nuvolari> I'm calling it a day
[20:44] <Kilos> gaan slaap seun
[20:44] <Kilos> lekker slaap
[20:44] <nuvolari> ek is op pad oom Kilos 
[20:44] <nuvolari> lekker slaap oom ook :)
[20:44] <kbmonkey> mooi slaap nuvolari, and no coffee this late! ;P
[20:44] <nuvolari> dankie
[20:44] <Kilos> sien jou môre
[20:44] <nuvolari> kbmonkey: can't promise anything :P
[20:44] <Langjan_> Julle moet ook lekker slaap, dankie vir alles!
[20:45] <nuvolari> cheerz Langjan_, oom Kilos, kbmonkey 
[20:45] <Kilos> kbmonkey, one last idea
[20:45] <kbmonkey> hope to see you back Langjan_, sorry we couldn't help you this time!
[20:45] <Langjan_> How do I get to freenode without having to login via firefox? 
[20:45] <Kilos> will  sudo -i to go root then a apt-get install dpkg not maybe fix dpkg
[20:46] <Kilos> you need xchat Langjan_ 
[20:46] <Langjan_> which we could not get going...
[20:46] <kbmonkey> does xchat come with maverick, i hope?
[20:46] <Kilos> yeah thats the prob
[20:46] <kbmonkey> oh, so no. eish
[20:46] <Langjan_> Slaap lekker
[20:47] <Kilos> we need to be able to install it first
[20:47] <kbmonkey> when we removed that lock I would have liked to try install it, instead of that --configure, but we'll sort it sharp 
[20:47] <Kilos> will that running package manager even affect root
[20:48] <Kilos> i not gonna sleep lekker with this inna mind
[20:50] <Kilos> and how do we fing what package manger is supposed to be running
[20:50] <Kilos> find not fing
[20:51] <Kilos> or even a killall command
[20:53] <kbmonkey> well apparently none are running Kilos, thats the confusing part. but oh well, i find solutions do come sometimes when your brain has a rest :)
[20:53] <kbmonkey> heck, i even dreamt of answers before, you never know!
[20:54] <Kilos> Langjan_, is it a big job to unplug that second drive
[20:54]  * Kilos scratching
[20:55] <kbmonkey> sjoe ja
[20:55] <Kilos> lol
[20:55] <Tonberry> so indestructible lock file with nothing keeping it there?
[20:55] <Kilos> yip
[20:55] <Tonberry> boot from cd or flashdrive and delete it?
[20:56] <Kilos> it has been deleted Tonberry 
[20:56] <Tonberry> oh
[20:56] <Kilos> but now dpkg thinks another pm is running
[20:56] <Tonberry> oh
[20:57] <kbmonkey> well we removed the lock, but dpkg reconfigures some package that gives an error. I suspect that package has a bug or is failing
[20:57] <Tonberry> dpkg -r the package
[20:57] <kbmonkey> the lock sticks when it fails. need to find that package
[20:57] <Kilos> we dunno which package it is
[20:57] <kbmonkey> we don't know what package it is though :/
[20:57] <Tonberry> ah
[20:57] <Tonberry> and configure does not give a name?
[20:57] <Kilos> lol
[20:57] <Kilos> tough in africa
[20:58] <kbmonkey> i got Jan to give us his apt history Tonberry just in case we can spot anything http://pastebin.com/2qMpVBtD
[20:58] <kbmonkey> a bit of detective work involved
[21:00] <Tonberry> what does apt/term.log say?
[21:00] <Tonberry> anything useful?
[21:00] <kbmonkey> Jan has left Tonberry, we can try again tomorrow :)
[21:01] <Tonberry> ah
[21:01] <Kilos> ok guys sleep tight
[21:01] <Kilos> ty for helping
[21:02] <kbmonkey> gn Kilos !
[21:02] <Tonberry> Errors were encountered while processing:
[21:02] <Tonberry>  squid
[21:02] <Tonberry> oh well
[21:02] <Tonberry> never trust an error message over a working system...
[21:04] <kbmonkey> he he. random error message generator in action
[21:57] <marcog> finally updated my home pc to natty :P