| sandra_ | Hello everyone :-) | 01:22 |
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| sandra_ | Hope everyone here is having a G'day or G'night. | 01:22 |
| Charybdis | Hi, sandra_. | 01:25 |
| sandra_ | Charybdis: Hello | 01:25 |
| sandra_ | I was wondering if anyone here would please tell me if I can add the Linuxmint menu to Xubuntu ? | 01:26 |
| Charybdis | That's a good question. | 01:27 |
| Charybdis | Are you talking about the kde menu from mint? | 01:28 |
| Charybdis | Or a xfce menu? | 01:28 |
| sandra_ | Hopefully there is a good answer to go along with that good question lol | 01:28 |
| sandra_ | Well I'm referring to Linuxmint11 gnome menu. | 01:28 |
| Charybdis | Probably not, since it's Gnome and you are using xfce. | 01:29 |
| sandra_ | Yes but Linuxmint has a LMDebian edition. | 01:29 |
| Charybdis | Is the menu the same? | 01:29 |
| * Charybdis has used CentOS, CollegeLinux, Debian, Fedora Core, Mandrake, OpenSuSE, PCLinuxOS, RedHat, Slackware, Slamd64, SuSE and Ubuntu distributions. I currently run Ubuntu 10.04 LTS as my primary Operating System. | 01:29 | |
| Charybdis | I've not tried Mint yet. | 01:30 |
| sandra_ | Mint is a wonderful distro | 01:30 |
| * Charybdis says that the absolute best GUI/Desktop or distro in the world... is the one that fits *YOUR* needs. :) | 01:30 | |
| pleia2 | a lot of things are possible in linux, but I doubt it would be easy or maintainable | 01:30 |
| sandra_ | But I find that Xubuntu runs extremely well on my laptop. | 01:31 |
| pleia2 | (but I'm not familiar with mint or gnome either) | 01:31 |
| pleia2 | is there a particular functionality from the menu that you're looking to get in xubuntu? | 01:32 |
| charlie-tca | I would guess if the menu is 100% freedesktop.org compatible, it would be possible | 01:32 |
| charlie-tca | at least in Xubuntu 11.04 | 01:32 |
| charlie-tca | anything less than 11.04, no way | 01:32 |
| * charlie-tca has no idea what menu system mint uses | 01:33 | |
| sandra_ | I don't care for gnome 3 I find it confusing counter productive and enjoy the flexiability of Xfce perhaps it can fill the gap that gnome 2 has left behind. | 01:33 |
| charlie-tca | What about pleia2 | 01:35 |
| charlie-tca | What about pleia2's question? Is there something missing in the current menu? | 01:36 |
| Charybdis | Gnome3 has completely ruined me on Gnome. But, I won't go into a flame war. | 01:36 |
| charlie-tca | hm, doesn't seem to be | 01:39 |
| Unit193 | I think Mint made their own menu | 01:41 |
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| djwhisper | Hello | 05:15 |
| lighta | hi | 05:33 |
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| sandra_ | Hello everyone | 06:56 |
| sandra_ | I hope everyones day is either starting or ending on a good note | 06:57 |
| sandra_ | This is my 1st time using Xubuntu and I would like to know if there is any way to add 2 items ? 1. Linuxmint menu and 2.Compiz ? | 07:02 |
| orngjce223 | Try #xfce first and /maybe/ #ubuntu second, but it's late on a weekday night and I know of nobody directly that can answer your question authoritatively. | 07:03 |
| Unit193 | sandra_: The linux mint menu is a Mint only thing (unless you really want to add a repo) And I don't remember how well Compiz works in Xubuntu (emerald doesn't work in 11.04) | 07:04 |
| Unit193 | I have never tested it, but if you REALLY want it: http://www.webupd8.org/2010/05/install-linux-mint-main-menu-mintmenu.html | 07:05 |
| sandra_ | Thanks the reason I wanted to add LM menu is because there is LMXfce edition and thought if that edition of Xfce could use LM menu perhaps Xubuntu could too. | 07:06 |
| sandra_ | and yes compiz for the eye candy effects . | 07:06 |
| sandra_ | Unit193, Thank you so much I will read it :-) | 07:08 |
| Unit193 | sandra_: It says it's not built for Natty (I'm guessing that's what you are using, correct?), but as you can see here, it is https://launchpad.net/~nilarimogard/+archive/webupd8?field.series_filter=natty | 07:09 |
| sandra_ | Unit193, I am using Xubuntu 11.04 so I would say it's based on Natty. Excuse my ignorance on this point I'm new to Linux and Linuxmint. | 07:11 |
| sandra_ | Unit193, Would you happen to know if Compiz 0.8.6 would work on Xubuntu ? | 07:12 |
| sandra_ | I know others have downgraded to that version on Ubuntu Natty. | 07:13 |
| Unit193 | I'm sorry, I don't remember how Xubuntu stands on Compiz | 07:13 |
| sandra_ | Unit193, Thank you kindly for your help. I figure if I blow anything up I can just reload Xubuntu. | 07:15 |
| Unit193 | sandra_: From what it looks like, Compiz should work | 07:16 |
| Unit193 | !compiz | 07:16 |
| ubottu | Compiz (compositing window manager), for a howto see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager and more help #compiz | 07:16 |
| sandra_ | ubottu, Thank you very much :-) | 07:18 |
| ubottu | sandra_: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :) | 07:18 |
| xubuntu-noob | hey ! | 09:10 |
| xubuntu-noob | how do I make the bottom bar appear constantly ? | 09:10 |
| xubuntu-noob | right now, as default setting, it always hides | 09:10 |
| TheSheep | xubuntu-noob: you disable the checkbox next to "Automatically show and hide the panel" in its preferences | 09:21 |
| xubuntu-noob | wow.... I don't know how I had not found this. | 09:22 |
| xubuntu-noob | Thanks TheSheep ! | 09:22 |
| TheSheep | it's easy to skip because it's such a long text | 09:22 |
| TheSheep | so it doesn't scan | 09:23 |
| xubuntu-noob | hehe yeah :P | 09:23 |
| xubuntu-noob | Now something else : my mounted CIFS devices don't show automatically on Desktop | 09:23 |
| xubuntu-noob | How can I activate that behaviour ? | 09:23 |
| * TheSheep doesn't know | 09:24 | |
| aatk | xubuntu-noob: have you looked in settings>settings manager>desktop, I think there's a behaviour tab that has some options for that type of stuff | 10:06 |
| aatk | you might be able to select something there, failing that, can you not create a shortcut to the device from within the filemanager or similar? | 10:07 |
| xubuntu-noob | aatk, I just searched the whole settings tab and found nothing :/ | 11:28 |
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| charlie-tca | UDW (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDeveloperWeek) day 3 starting in 6 minutes in #ubuntu-classroom | 15:54 |
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| vaalir | would kdropbox work with xubuntu? | 18:37 |
| charlie-tca | Why wouldn't you use "dropbox" instead? | 18:38 |
| vaalir | tried installing dropbox with ninite installer, but it failed | 18:38 |
| vaalir | ninite isnt complete yet, but dropbox shows in my applications. wait until ninite completes and try it? | 18:39 |
| charlie-tca | I just used http://wiki.dropbox.com/TipsAndTricks/TextBasedLinuxInstall to install it | 18:39 |
| vaalir | weird, since it says it failed. | 18:39 |
| charlie-tca | I don't need nautilus or konqi or anything else | 18:39 |
| charlie-tca | It works with thunar | 18:39 |
| charlie-tca | I don't know what ninite is, but maybe it just doesn't work right | 18:39 |
| * charlie-tca thinks it is always best to let things complete before deciding if they work or not | 18:40 | |
| orngjce223 | ninite is a scripted installer, I think | 18:40 |
| vaalir | its a lazy mans tool! :D | 18:40 |
| vaalir | http://ninite.com/linux/ | 18:40 |
| vaalir | yeah, ill let it complete and take it from there | 18:40 |
| charlie-tca | lazy mans tool == broken installations most times | 18:40 |
| orngjce223 | I get the same thing done by maintaining a script with apt-get [packages I like]. | 18:40 |
| orngjce223 | Simpler and much much less prone to breakage. | 18:41 |
| vaalir | that wasnt a dumb idea! making a script with everything i need | 18:41 |
| charlie-tca | sounds like one of those things you get to go to them and ask about too | 18:41 |
| vaalir | would just be full og sudo apt-get lines, right? | 18:41 |
| charlie-tca | !info ninite | 18:42 |
| ubottu | Package ninite does not exist in natty | 18:42 |
| vaalir | if it doesnt work, ill browse the dropbox forums :) but this script stuff, hard to make? | 18:42 |
| charlie-tca | Whatever it is, it is unsupported here | 18:42 |
| vaalir | seems like it works, lucky this time i guess :) | 18:44 |
| orngjce223 | vaalir: p. much. | 18:44 |
| vaalir | but could you link me a good webpage with a tutorial for making a script like orngjce223 talked about? | 18:44 |
| vaalir | im a complete boob when it comes to linuz | 18:45 |
| vaalir | x | 18:45 |
| charlie-tca | I can't, no. Maybe orngjce223 can, since he has it | 18:45 |
| orngjce223 | The correct pronoun is female. :v | 18:45 |
| charlie-tca | I can't, no. Maybe orngjce223 can, since she has it | 18:45 |
| orngjce223 | How 'bout I pastebin the first several lines and you just substitute in what you want? | 18:45 |
| charlie-tca | I apologize, it is just hard to tell on this | 18:46 |
| orngjce223 | No problem | 18:46 |
| * pleia2 is a fan of the singular they :) | 18:46 | |
| vaalir | we can try that orngjce223 ;) thanks! | 18:46 |
| charlie-tca | Thanks for the reminder, pleia2 | 18:46 |
| * charlie-tca really dislikes the s/h/e thing seen at times | 18:47 | |
| orngjce223 | 's fine | 18:47 |
| orngjce223 | The English language is biased towards male assumptions anyway | 18:47 |
| orngjce223 | I won't complain. | 18:47 |
| charlie-tca | Unfortunately, true | 18:47 |
| orngjce223 | I have friends that require the pronouns "te", "ter", and "tim". It's almost amusing. | 18:48 |
| orngjce223 | But look at me yakking, I should dig out that script | 18:48 |
| vaalir | take your time :D i've got no rush | 18:48 |
| charlie-tca | vaalir: normally, we try to help as much as possible. However, some of those automated script things are downright dangerous when you run them. | 18:49 |
| vaalir | ok, understood! might give you something you dont have control over i guess. i assumed this one was safe, since it was a news-post on lifehacker | 18:50 |
| orngjce223 | give me moments | 18:51 |
| orngjce223 | I've just gotta add some comments and it should be ready soon | 18:51 |
| * vaalir gives orngjce223 moments | 18:51 | |
| Sysi | there really is something simpler than installing .deb? (exept .rpm with yum, wish apt had localinstall) | 18:52 |
| orngjce223 | http://pastebin.com/3ERT3yFr | 19:00 |
| vaalir | many thanks! i will take a look at it and see what i can make of it <3 | 19:00 |
| vaalir | ok, so i just have to make a file name install.sh and use those types of commands? | 19:01 |
| orngjce223 | Well | 19:02 |
| orngjce223 | The # are comments, so you can literally copy this entire file to install.sh and edit from there | 19:02 |
| orngjce223 | Obviously you'll need to change the package selection, and check that the package names are correct | 19:02 |
| orngjce223 | But the Wait | 19:03 |
| orngjce223 | Wait | 19:03 |
| orngjce223 | Okay it should be #!/bin/sh | 19:03 |
| orngjce223 | I am silly | 19:03 |
| orngjce223 | :v | 19:03 |
| orngjce223 | But yeah that's the only /required/ line, the #!/bin/sh at the beginning | 19:03 |
| orngjce223 | After that you can technically do what you like | 19:03 |
| orngjce223 | I just structure the file so it's easy to read and modify. | 19:04 |
| orngjce223 | also the python-software-properties is only there to make apt-add-repository exist | 19:04 |
| orngjce223 | If you don't need it, you don't need to bother installing it either. | 19:04 |
| vaalir | ok, yes i think i understand. i will just add what i know works and need | 19:04 |
| orngjce223 | Well, you'll probably want to remove the lowlatency kernel reference | 19:04 |
| orngjce223 | 95% of people don't need it | 19:04 |
| orngjce223 | only useful in serious audio processing etc. | 19:05 |
| vaalir | but for adding lines in the repository? like installing XBMC, i usually have to add some lines to the repository | 19:05 |
| orngjce223 | Yeah | 19:05 |
| orngjce223 | That's what apt-add-repository is | 19:05 |
| orngjce223 | Also you'll have to apt-key afterwards | 19:05 |
| orngjce223 | I'll find you the instructions | 19:05 |
| orngjce223 | http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-1047353.html | 19:05 |
| orngjce223 | They should have similar instructions on the XBMC website | 19:06 |
| vaalir | guess they would, now i have something to start with at least :D thank you very much, a script seems VERY nice to have lying around | 19:07 |
| orngjce223 | Awesome | 19:07 |
| orngjce223 | You're welcome | 19:07 |
| vaalir | now for another question, and pardon for asking so much at once.. but i can't seem to connect to my windows desktop. it tells me it failed to retrieve share list from server | 19:09 |
| orngjce223 | Hmm, that's probably a SMB/Samba interaction problem, but I'm not familiar with that subsystem so I can't tell you much about it | 19:09 |
| vaalir | i will consult the oracle then. | 19:10 |
| orngjce223 | You might try #ubuntu, this is not an xubuntu specific problem | 19:11 |
| vaalir | well, since k\x\buntu is basiccly the same thing, i should most of the time direct my questions there? | 19:12 |
| charlie-tca | I would ask here first, there is less traffic and you often get answered sooner | 19:13 |
| charlie-tca | but it is personal choice :) | 19:13 |
| charlie-tca | sometimes you wait a lot longer here, too | 19:13 |
| vaalir | thanks :D | 19:16 |
| orngjce223 | Well, I am not the normal IRC idler, I actually try to answer questions, tho' mostly my answers consist of "someone at ___ could help you better" | 19:17 |
| orngjce223 | But I /do/ try to get back as soon as possible | 19:18 |
| vaalir | getting directed to somewhere else usually is a good solution, if its a place with people who knows their stuff really good :D | 19:19 |
| orngjce223 | Mmhm | 19:20 |
| orngjce223 | But maybe that's just my personality | 19:20 |
| Derpadong | hm. | 19:55 |
| vooze | Hey guys.. I use docky and Xubuntu 11.04.. but i want to add the "applications menu" to my dock.. how can i do this? | 20:32 |
| orngjce223 | I honestly have no idea. You could ask #xfce ? | 20:33 |
| vooze | Ah guess i will do that, just hoping someone in here, had been in the same situation ;) | 20:33 |
| charlie-tca | vooze: please do not post to more than one channel at a time | 20:35 |
| charlie-tca | oh, sorry, I guess you did not do that | 20:36 |
| Sysi | docky is the *really* simple dock? | 20:36 |
| charlie-tca | applications menu is a panel applet, I don't know that it can go into the "docky" | 20:36 |
| Sysi | you could try AWN, it's simple with that (except it gives you menu with gnome-settings stuff but you can deal with it) | 20:38 |
| vooze | Hehe.. i just want to allmost remove the panel and just use dock.. i only use panel (thats hidden) for wifi, and system messages) | 20:38 |
| Sysi | systray (notification area) is aso easy on AWN | 20:39 |
| Sysi | *also | 20:39 |
| Sysi | !info avant-window-navigator | 20:39 |
| ubottu | avant-window-navigator (source: avant-window-navigator): A MacOS X like panel for GNOME. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.4.1~bzr822-0ubuntu3 (natty), package size 318 kB, installed size 1080 kB | 20:39 |
| vooze | hmm. i just really like docky.. it runs sooo smooth | 20:40 |
| Sysi | any dock should | 20:40 |
| vooze | well cairo was a big "too heavy" I think.. thats why i choose docky | 20:40 |
| charlie-tca | vooze: what about using the right-click on the desktop for the menus? | 20:40 |
| charlie-tca | It doesn't have to be a menu button at all | 20:41 |
| Sysi | AWN isn't nearly as complicated as cairo, it ran well on weaker machine too | 20:41 |
| vooze | charlie-tca: yeah i guess that would do, but i still would like the other solution also ;) | 20:41 |
| looonger | hi | 21:05 |
| looonger | does xubuntu depend much on gnome libs? | 21:06 |
| beardygnome | not too much, i don't think | 21:07 |
| charlie-tca | As much as it needs to make it work | 21:08 |
| beardygnome | less and less as time goes by | 21:08 |
| Thermi | gn8 | 21:09 |
| looonger | it used to be very gnome-dependant | 21:09 |
| beardygnome | a lot of work has been done to remove gnome libs where possible | 21:10 |
| Zergreth | hello everybody | 21:11 |
| Zergreth | linux newcomer here, and i just wanted to ask if xubuntu is a good choice for a stone aged laptop (mobility amd 64 3000+ running at 800 mhz, 512mb ram) | 21:11 |
| beardygnome | xubuntu should work ok on that hardware | 21:13 |
| Zergreth | the question is, would it work well? | 21:13 |
| Zergreth | i also thought about getting lubuntu instead, but i'm not sure | 21:13 |
| beardygnome | but it depends what you want to do with the laptop | 21:13 |
| Zergreth | not much | 21:13 |
| Zergreth | get familiar with linux first | 21:13 |
| Zergreth | got the laptop from my neighbor and i'd like to use it as a backup computer in case mine goes down the wooloo | 21:14 |
| Zergreth | just for basic internet access, listening to music maybe, and some office stuff | 21:14 |
| beardygnome | i believe that lubuntu is more lightweight than xubuntu | 21:14 |
| Zergreth | i heard it is, aye | 21:14 |
| beardygnome | but xubuntu is a more mature distribution, so would be perhaps more familiar to you | 21:15 |
| Zergreth | okay | 21:15 |
| Zergreth | well, i can always try both i guess | 21:15 |
| beardygnome | that said, lubuntu is moving pretty fast atm and i've not looked at it in a while | 21:15 |
| Zergreth | i'll go with xubuntu first, and if that works well, i'll stick with it ;p | 21:15 |
| Zergreth | alright, thanks | 21:16 |
| Unit193 | Lubuntu is looking sweet(!) in 11.04! And looking even better for 11.10! | 21:16 |
| beardygnome | no problem - hope it all goes well for you, whichever distro you choose | 21:16 |
| Zergreth | i wouldn't mind a second opinion. which would you choose, Unit193? | 21:17 |
| Unit193 | Zergreth: It's all personal choice, I can't exactly tell you what you should pick. I would try both and see what you like, but I might think LXDE would do just a little better | 21:18 |
| Zergreth | alrighty, thanks | 21:18 |
| Unit193 | I love both Lubuntu and Xubuntu, but Lubuneu is more lightweight while Xubuntu is easier to configure | 21:18 |
| Zergreth | oh coincidence. the lubuntu screenshots page features one where blender's short "Sintel" can be seen. i'm in love with that | 21:19 |
| beardygnome | i would expect better performance from lubuntu | 21:19 |
| Zergreth | well, i'm quite good with computers in general, i've been coding for several years and will begin studying computer science this year. i hope i won't be having lots of trouble with linux :) | 21:20 |
| beardygnome | but the trade-off might be a desktop that's not quite as you want it | 21:20 |
| Zergreth | when you say xubuntu is easier to configure, do you mean lubuntu is hard even for people used to linux, or hard for people not used to it? | 21:20 |
| Zergreth | beardygnome, the screenshots show a generic wallpaper, a taskbar-like thingy and some windows floating around. what else do i need? :p | 21:21 |
| beardygnome | do you want the ability to connect to network shares? | 21:21 |
| beardygnome | for example | 21:22 |
| Zergreth | uhm | 21:22 |
| Zergreth | what do you mean by "network shares"? | 21:22 |
| Zergreth | sorry, language barrier; i'm german :) | 21:23 |
| charlie-tca | NFS, windows files, etc | 21:23 |
| beardygnome | do you want to be able to get files from another server or computer that is connected to your network? | 21:23 |
| Zergreth | i don't necessarily need that, nope | 21:24 |
| beardygnome | xubuntu is able to do that, i don't think that lubuntu can | 21:24 |
| Zergreth | i don't think i care, so that's alright | 21:25 |
| Zergreth | any other notable differences? | 21:25 |
| beardygnome | not that i can think of, but i haven't used lubuntu in a while | 21:25 |
| Zergreth | okay | 21:26 |
| Zergreth | well, i'll just give it a try, and if i'm not happy with it, i'll try xubuntu as well :) | 21:26 |
| beardygnome | i think you have to configure lubuntu by changing configuration files a lot | 21:26 |
| beardygnome | xubuntu has a lot more gui-based configuration | 21:26 |
| Zergreth | i really don't mind config files | 21:26 |
| beardygnome | you might learn more from that anyway | 21:27 |
| Zergreth | even on windows i prefer them over guis, and i use the command line to do many common tasks | 21:27 |
| beardygnome | sounds like you'll do weel with linux then :-) | 21:27 |
| beardygnome | *well | 21:27 |
| Unit193 | Lubuntu has lxappearance, but else it's an xml file | 21:27 |
| Unit193 | Lubuntu does support shares, but not as easy as it is in Xubuntu | 21:28 |
| Zergreth | it really doesn't sound like i'll be having many problems with it | 21:28 |
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| Zergreth | alright, thanks guys. i gotta go; bye! | 21:28 |
| Unit193 | Adios! | 21:28 |
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| rynx | /join #documentfoundation | 22:16 |
| charlie-tca | rynx: no space in front of / | 22:16 |
| rynx | Ah, jeez; thanks | 22:16 |
| charlie-tca | blame the keyboard, it might add spaces at the wrong times | 22:17 |
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