[01:22] <sandra_> Hello everyone :-)
[01:22] <sandra_> Hope everyone here is having a G'day or G'night.
[01:25] <Charybdis> Hi, sandra_.
[01:25] <sandra_> Charybdis: Hello
[01:26] <sandra_> I was wondering if anyone here would please tell me if I can add the Linuxmint menu to Xubuntu ?
[01:27] <Charybdis> That's a good question.
[01:28] <Charybdis> Are you talking about the kde menu from mint?
[01:28] <Charybdis> Or a xfce menu?
[01:28] <sandra_> Hopefully there is a good answer to go along with that good question lol
[01:28] <sandra_> Well I'm  referring to Linuxmint11 gnome menu.
[01:29] <Charybdis> Probably not, since it's Gnome and you are using xfce.
[01:29] <sandra_> Yes but Linuxmint has a LMDebian edition.
[01:29] <Charybdis> Is the menu the same?
[01:29]  * Charybdis has used CentOS, CollegeLinux, Debian, Fedora Core, Mandrake, OpenSuSE, PCLinuxOS, RedHat, Slackware, Slamd64, SuSE and Ubuntu distributions.  I currently run Ubuntu 10.04 LTS as my primary Operating System.
[01:30] <Charybdis> I've not tried Mint yet.
[01:30] <sandra_> Mint is a wonderful distro
[01:30]  * Charybdis says that the absolute best GUI/Desktop or distro in the world... is the one that fits *YOUR* needs.  :)
[01:30] <pleia2> a lot of things are possible in linux, but I doubt it would be easy or maintainable
[01:31] <sandra_> But I find that Xubuntu runs extremely well on my laptop.
[01:31] <pleia2> (but I'm not familiar with mint or gnome either)
[01:32] <pleia2> is there a particular functionality from the menu that you're looking to get in xubuntu?
[01:32] <charlie-tca> I would guess if the menu is 100% freedesktop.org compatible, it would be possible
[01:32] <charlie-tca> at least in Xubuntu 11.04
[01:32] <charlie-tca> anything less than 11.04, no way
[01:33]  * charlie-tca has no idea what menu system mint uses
[01:33] <sandra_> I don't care for gnome 3 I find it confusing counter productive and enjoy the flexiability of Xfce perhaps it can fill the gap that gnome 2 has left behind.
[01:35] <charlie-tca> What about pleia2
[01:36] <charlie-tca> What about pleia2's question? Is there something missing in the current menu?
[01:36] <Charybdis> Gnome3 has completely ruined me on Gnome.  But, I won't go into a flame war.
[01:39] <charlie-tca> hm, doesn't seem to be
[01:41] <Unit193> I think Mint made their own menu
[05:15] <djwhisper> Hello
[05:33] <lighta> hi
[06:56] <sandra_> Hello everyone
[06:57] <sandra_> I hope everyones day is either starting or ending on a good note
[07:02] <sandra_> This is my 1st time using Xubuntu and I would like to know if there is any way to add 2 items ? 1. Linuxmint menu and 2.Compiz ?
[07:03] <orngjce223> Try #xfce first and /maybe/ #ubuntu second, but it's late on a weekday night and I know of nobody directly that can answer your question authoritatively.
[07:04] <Unit193> sandra_: The linux mint menu is a Mint only thing (unless you really want to add a repo) And I don't remember how well Compiz works in Xubuntu (emerald doesn't work in 11.04)
[07:05] <Unit193> I have never tested it, but if you REALLY want it: http://www.webupd8.org/2010/05/install-linux-mint-main-menu-mintmenu.html
[07:06] <sandra_> Thanks the reason I wanted to add LM menu is because there is LMXfce edition and thought if that edition of Xfce could use LM menu perhaps Xubuntu could too.
[07:06] <sandra_> and yes compiz for the eye candy effects .
[07:08] <sandra_> Unit193, Thank you so much I will read it :-)
[07:09] <Unit193> sandra_: It says it's not built for Natty (I'm guessing that's what you are using, correct?), but as you can see here, it is https://launchpad.net/~nilarimogard/+archive/webupd8?field.series_filter=natty
[07:11] <sandra_> Unit193, I am using Xubuntu 11.04 so I would say it's based on Natty. Excuse my ignorance on this point I'm new to Linux and Linuxmint.
[07:12] <sandra_> Unit193, Would you happen to know if Compiz 0.8.6 would work on Xubuntu ?
[07:13] <sandra_> I know others have downgraded to that version on Ubuntu Natty.
[07:13] <Unit193> I'm sorry, I don't remember how Xubuntu stands on Compiz
[07:15] <sandra_> Unit193, Thank you kindly for your help. I figure if I blow anything up I can just reload Xubuntu.
[07:16] <Unit193> sandra_: From what it looks like, Compiz should work
[07:16] <Unit193> !compiz
[07:18] <sandra_> ubottu, Thank you very much :-)
[09:10] <xubuntu-noob> hey !
[09:10] <xubuntu-noob> how do I make the bottom bar appear constantly ?
[09:10] <xubuntu-noob> right now, as default setting, it always hides
[09:21] <TheSheep> xubuntu-noob: you disable the checkbox next to "Automatically show and hide the panel" in its preferences
[09:22] <xubuntu-noob> wow.... I don't know how I had not found this.
[09:22] <xubuntu-noob> Thanks TheSheep !
[09:22] <TheSheep> it's easy to skip because it's such a long text
[09:23] <TheSheep> so it doesn't scan
[09:23] <xubuntu-noob> hehe yeah :P
[09:23] <xubuntu-noob> Now something else : my mounted CIFS devices don't show automatically on Desktop
[09:23] <xubuntu-noob> How can I activate that behaviour ?
[09:24]  * TheSheep doesn't know
[10:06] <aatk> xubuntu-noob: have you looked in  settings>settings manager>desktop, I think there's a behaviour tab that has some options for that type of stuff
[10:07] <aatk> you might be able to select something there, failing that, can you not create a shortcut to the device from within the filemanager or similar?
[11:28] <xubuntu-noob> aatk, I just searched the whole settings tab and found nothing :/
[15:54] <charlie-tca> UDW (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDeveloperWeek) day 3 starting in 6 minutes in #ubuntu-classroom
[18:37] <vaalir> would kdropbox work with xubuntu?
[18:38] <charlie-tca> Why wouldn't you use "dropbox" instead?
[18:38] <vaalir> tried installing dropbox with ninite installer, but it failed
[18:39] <vaalir> ninite isnt complete yet, but dropbox shows in my applications. wait until ninite completes and try it?
[18:39] <charlie-tca> I just used http://wiki.dropbox.com/TipsAndTricks/TextBasedLinuxInstall to install it
[18:39] <vaalir> weird, since it says it failed.
[18:39] <charlie-tca> I don't need nautilus or konqi or anything else
[18:39] <charlie-tca> It works with thunar
[18:39] <charlie-tca> I don't know what ninite is, but maybe it just doesn't work right
[18:40]  * charlie-tca thinks it is always best to let things complete before deciding if they work or not
[18:40] <orngjce223> ninite is a scripted installer, I think
[18:40] <vaalir> its a lazy mans tool! :D
[18:40] <vaalir> http://ninite.com/linux/
[18:40] <vaalir> yeah, ill let it complete and take it from there
[18:40] <charlie-tca> lazy mans tool == broken installations most times
[18:40] <orngjce223> I get the same thing done by maintaining a script with apt-get [packages I like].
[18:41] <orngjce223> Simpler and much much less prone to breakage.
[18:41] <vaalir> that wasnt a dumb idea! making a script with everything i need
[18:41] <charlie-tca> sounds like one of those things you get to go to them and ask about too
[18:41] <vaalir> would just be full og sudo apt-get lines, right?
[18:42] <charlie-tca> !info ninite
[18:42] <vaalir> if it doesnt work, ill browse the dropbox forums :) but this script stuff, hard to make?
[18:42] <charlie-tca> Whatever it is, it is unsupported here
[18:44] <vaalir> seems like it works, lucky this time i guess :)
[18:44] <orngjce223> vaalir: p. much.
[18:44] <vaalir> but could you link me a good webpage with a tutorial for making a script like orngjce223 talked about?
[18:45] <vaalir> im a complete boob when it comes to linuz
[18:45] <vaalir> x
[18:45] <charlie-tca> I can't, no. Maybe orngjce223 can, since he has it
[18:45] <orngjce223> The correct pronoun is female. :v
[18:45] <charlie-tca> I can't, no. Maybe orngjce223 can, since she has it
[18:45] <orngjce223> How 'bout I pastebin the first several lines and you just substitute in what you want?
[18:46] <charlie-tca> I apologize, it is just hard to tell on this
[18:46] <orngjce223> No problem
[18:46]  * pleia2 is a fan of the singular they :)
[18:46] <vaalir> we can try that orngjce223 ;) thanks!
[18:46] <charlie-tca> Thanks for the reminder, pleia2
[18:47]  * charlie-tca really dislikes the s/h/e thing seen at times
[18:47] <orngjce223> 's fine
[18:47] <orngjce223> The English language is biased towards male assumptions anyway
[18:47] <orngjce223> I won't complain.
[18:47] <charlie-tca> Unfortunately, true
[18:48] <orngjce223> I have friends that require the pronouns "te", "ter", and "tim". It's almost amusing.
[18:48] <orngjce223> But look at me yakking, I should dig out that script
[18:48] <vaalir> take your time :D i've got no rush
[18:49] <charlie-tca> vaalir: normally, we try to help as much as possible. However, some of those automated script things are downright dangerous when you run them.
[18:50] <vaalir> ok, understood! might give you something you dont have control over i guess. i assumed this one was safe, since it was a news-post on lifehacker
[18:51] <orngjce223> give me moments
[18:51] <orngjce223> I've just gotta add some comments and it should be ready soon
[18:51]  * vaalir gives orngjce223 moments
[18:52] <Sysi> there really is something simpler than installing .deb? (exept .rpm with yum, wish apt had localinstall)
[19:00] <orngjce223> http://pastebin.com/3ERT3yFr
[19:00] <vaalir> many thanks! i will take a look at it and see what i can make of it <3
[19:01] <vaalir> ok, so i just have to make a file name install.sh and use those types of commands?
[19:02] <orngjce223> Well
[19:02] <orngjce223> The # are comments, so you can literally copy this entire file to install.sh and edit from there
[19:02] <orngjce223> Obviously you'll need to change the package selection, and check that the package names are correct
[19:03] <orngjce223> But the Wait
[19:03] <orngjce223> Wait
[19:03] <orngjce223> Okay it should be #!/bin/sh
[19:03] <orngjce223> I am silly
[19:03] <orngjce223> :v
[19:03] <orngjce223> But yeah that's the only /required/ line, the #!/bin/sh at the beginning
[19:03] <orngjce223> After that you can technically do what you like
[19:04] <orngjce223> I just structure the file so it's easy to read and modify.
[19:04] <orngjce223> also the python-software-properties is only there to make apt-add-repository exist
[19:04] <orngjce223> If you don't need it, you don't need to bother installing it either.
[19:04] <vaalir> ok, yes i think i understand. i will just add what i know works and need
[19:04] <orngjce223> Well, you'll probably want to remove the lowlatency kernel reference
[19:04] <orngjce223> 95% of people don't need it
[19:05] <orngjce223> only useful in serious audio processing etc.
[19:05] <vaalir> but for adding lines in the repository? like installing XBMC, i usually have to add some lines to the repository
[19:05] <orngjce223> Yeah
[19:05] <orngjce223> That's what apt-add-repository is
[19:05] <orngjce223> Also you'll have to apt-key afterwards
[19:05] <orngjce223> I'll find you the instructions
[19:05] <orngjce223> http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-1047353.html
[19:06] <orngjce223> They should have similar instructions on the XBMC website
[19:07] <vaalir> guess they would, now i have something to start with at least :D thank you very much, a script seems VERY nice to have lying around
[19:07] <orngjce223> Awesome
[19:07] <orngjce223> You're welcome
[19:09] <vaalir> now for another question, and pardon for asking so much at once.. but i can't seem to connect to my windows desktop. it tells me it failed to retrieve  share list from server
[19:09] <orngjce223> Hmm, that's probably a SMB/Samba interaction problem, but I'm not familiar with that subsystem so I can't tell you much about it
[19:10] <vaalir> i will consult the oracle then.
[19:11] <orngjce223> You might try #ubuntu, this is not an xubuntu specific problem
[19:12] <vaalir> well, since k\x\buntu is basiccly the same thing, i should most of the time direct my questions there?
[19:13] <charlie-tca> I would ask here first, there is less traffic and you often get answered sooner
[19:13] <charlie-tca> but it is personal choice :)
[19:13] <charlie-tca> sometimes you wait a lot longer here, too
[19:16] <vaalir> thanks :D
[19:17] <orngjce223> Well, I am not the normal IRC idler, I actually try to answer questions, tho' mostly my answers consist of "someone at ___ could help you better"
[19:18] <orngjce223> But I /do/ try to get back as soon as possible
[19:19] <vaalir> getting directed to somewhere else usually is a good solution, if its a place with people who knows their stuff really good :D
[19:20] <orngjce223> Mmhm
[19:20] <orngjce223> But maybe that's just my personality
[19:55] <Derpadong> hm.
[20:32] <vooze> Hey guys.. I use docky and Xubuntu 11.04.. but i want to add the "applications menu" to my dock.. how can i do this?
[20:33] <orngjce223> I honestly have no idea. You could ask #xfce ?
[20:33] <vooze> Ah guess i will do that, just hoping someone in here, had been in the same situation ;)
[20:35] <charlie-tca> vooze: please do not post to more than one channel at a time
[20:36] <charlie-tca> oh, sorry, I guess you did not do that
[20:36] <Sysi> docky is the *really* simple dock?
[20:36] <charlie-tca> applications menu is a panel applet, I don't know that it can go into the "docky"
[20:38] <Sysi> you could try AWN, it's simple with that (except it gives you menu with gnome-settings stuff but you can deal with it)
[20:38] <vooze> Hehe.. i just want to allmost remove the panel and just use dock.. i only use panel (thats hidden) for wifi, and system messages)
[20:39] <Sysi> systray (notification area) is aso easy on AWN
[20:39] <Sysi> *also
[20:39] <Sysi> !info avant-window-navigator
[20:40] <vooze> hmm. i just really like docky.. it runs sooo smooth
[20:40] <Sysi> any dock should
[20:40] <vooze> well cairo was a big "too heavy" I think.. thats why i choose docky
[20:40] <charlie-tca> vooze: what about using the right-click on the desktop for the menus?
[20:41] <charlie-tca> It doesn't have to be a menu button at all
[20:41] <Sysi> AWN isn't nearly as complicated as cairo, it ran well on weaker machine too
[20:41] <vooze> charlie-tca: yeah i guess that would do, but i still would like the other solution also ;)
[21:05] <looonger> hi
[21:06] <looonger> does xubuntu depend much on gnome libs?
[21:07] <beardygnome> not too much, i don't think
[21:08] <charlie-tca> As much as it needs to make it work
[21:08] <beardygnome> less and less as time goes by
[21:09] <Thermi> gn8
[21:09] <looonger> it used to be very gnome-dependant
[21:10] <beardygnome> a lot of work has been done to remove gnome libs where possible
[21:11] <Zergreth> hello everybody
[21:11] <Zergreth> linux newcomer here, and i just wanted to ask if xubuntu is a good choice for a stone aged laptop (mobility amd 64 3000+ running at 800 mhz, 512mb ram)
[21:13] <beardygnome> xubuntu should work ok on that hardware
[21:13] <Zergreth> the question is, would it work well?
[21:13] <Zergreth> i also thought about getting lubuntu instead, but i'm not sure
[21:13] <beardygnome> but it depends what you want to do with the laptop
[21:13] <Zergreth> not much
[21:13] <Zergreth> get familiar with linux first
[21:14] <Zergreth> got the laptop from my neighbor and i'd like to use it as a backup computer in case mine goes down the wooloo
[21:14] <Zergreth> just for basic internet access, listening to music maybe, and some office stuff
[21:14] <beardygnome> i believe that lubuntu is more lightweight than xubuntu
[21:14] <Zergreth> i heard it is, aye
[21:15] <beardygnome> but xubuntu is a more mature distribution, so would be perhaps more familiar to you
[21:15] <Zergreth> okay
[21:15] <Zergreth> well, i can always try both i guess
[21:15] <beardygnome> that said, lubuntu is moving pretty fast atm and i've not looked at it in a while
[21:15] <Zergreth> i'll go with xubuntu first, and if that works well, i'll stick with it ;p
[21:16] <Zergreth> alright, thanks
[21:16] <Unit193> Lubuntu is looking sweet(!) in 11.04! And looking even better for 11.10!
[21:16] <beardygnome> no problem - hope it all goes well for you, whichever distro you choose
[21:17] <Zergreth> i wouldn't mind a second opinion. which would you choose, Unit193?
[21:18] <Unit193> Zergreth: It's all personal choice, I can't exactly tell you what you should pick. I would try both and see what you like, but I might think LXDE would do just a little better
[21:18] <Zergreth> alrighty, thanks
[21:18] <Unit193> I love both Lubuntu and Xubuntu, but Lubuneu is more lightweight while Xubuntu is easier to configure
[21:19] <Zergreth> oh coincidence. the lubuntu screenshots page features one where blender's short "Sintel" can be seen. i'm in love with that
[21:19] <beardygnome> i would expect better performance from lubuntu
[21:20] <Zergreth> well, i'm quite good with computers in general, i've been coding for several years and will begin studying computer science this year. i hope i won't be having lots of trouble with linux :)
[21:20] <beardygnome> but the trade-off might be a desktop that's not quite as you want it
[21:20] <Zergreth> when you say xubuntu is easier to configure, do you mean lubuntu is hard even for people used to linux, or hard for people not used to it?
[21:21] <Zergreth> beardygnome, the screenshots show a generic wallpaper, a taskbar-like thingy and some windows floating around. what else do i need? :p
[21:21] <beardygnome> do you want the ability to connect to network shares?
[21:22] <beardygnome> for example
[21:22] <Zergreth> uhm
[21:22] <Zergreth> what do you mean by "network shares"?
[21:23] <Zergreth> sorry, language barrier; i'm german :)
[21:23] <charlie-tca> NFS, windows files, etc
[21:23] <beardygnome> do you want to be able to get files from another server or computer that is connected to your network?
[21:24] <Zergreth> i don't necessarily need that, nope
[21:24] <beardygnome> xubuntu is able to do that, i don't think that lubuntu can
[21:25] <Zergreth> i don't think i care, so that's alright
[21:25] <Zergreth> any other notable differences?
[21:25] <beardygnome> not that i can think of, but i haven't used lubuntu in a while
[21:26] <Zergreth> okay
[21:26] <Zergreth> well, i'll just give it a try, and if i'm not happy with it, i'll try xubuntu as well :)
[21:26] <beardygnome> i think you have to configure lubuntu by changing configuration files a lot
[21:26] <beardygnome> xubuntu has a lot more gui-based configuration
[21:26] <Zergreth> i really don't mind config files
[21:27] <beardygnome> you might learn more from that anyway
[21:27] <Zergreth> even on windows i prefer them over guis, and i use the command line to do many common tasks
[21:27] <beardygnome> sounds like you'll do weel with linux then :-)
[21:27] <beardygnome> *well
[21:27] <Unit193> Lubuntu has lxappearance, but else it's an xml file
[21:28] <Unit193> Lubuntu does support shares, but not as easy as it is in Xubuntu
[21:28] <Zergreth> it really doesn't sound like i'll be having many problems with it
[21:28] <Zergreth> alright, thanks guys. i gotta go; bye!
[21:28] <Unit193> Adios!
[22:16] <rynx>  /join #documentfoundation
[22:16] <charlie-tca> rynx: no space in front of /
[22:16] <rynx> Ah, jeez; thanks
[22:17] <charlie-tca> blame the keyboard, it might add spaces at the wrong times