[01:22] Hello everyone :-) [01:22] Hope everyone here is having a G'day or G'night. [01:25] Hi, sandra_. [01:25] Charybdis: Hello [01:26] I was wondering if anyone here would please tell me if I can add the Linuxmint menu to Xubuntu ? [01:27] That's a good question. [01:28] Are you talking about the kde menu from mint? [01:28] Or a xfce menu? [01:28] Hopefully there is a good answer to go along with that good question lol [01:28] Well I'm referring to Linuxmint11 gnome menu. [01:29] Probably not, since it's Gnome and you are using xfce. [01:29] Yes but Linuxmint has a LMDebian edition. [01:29] Is the menu the same? [01:29] * Charybdis has used CentOS, CollegeLinux, Debian, Fedora Core, Mandrake, OpenSuSE, PCLinuxOS, RedHat, Slackware, Slamd64, SuSE and Ubuntu distributions. I currently run Ubuntu 10.04 LTS as my primary Operating System. [01:30] I've not tried Mint yet. [01:30] Mint is a wonderful distro [01:30] * Charybdis says that the absolute best GUI/Desktop or distro in the world... is the one that fits *YOUR* needs. :) [01:30] a lot of things are possible in linux, but I doubt it would be easy or maintainable [01:31] But I find that Xubuntu runs extremely well on my laptop. [01:31] (but I'm not familiar with mint or gnome either) [01:32] is there a particular functionality from the menu that you're looking to get in xubuntu? [01:32] I would guess if the menu is 100% freedesktop.org compatible, it would be possible [01:32] at least in Xubuntu 11.04 [01:32] anything less than 11.04, no way [01:33] * charlie-tca has no idea what menu system mint uses [01:33] I don't care for gnome 3 I find it confusing counter productive and enjoy the flexiability of Xfce perhaps it can fill the gap that gnome 2 has left behind. [01:35] What about pleia2 [01:36] What about pleia2's question? Is there something missing in the current menu? [01:36] Gnome3 has completely ruined me on Gnome. But, I won't go into a flame war. [01:39] hm, doesn't seem to be [01:41] I think Mint made their own menu === `mOOse` is now known as m00se === dj is now known as djwhisper [05:15] Hello [05:33] hi === moxyr is now known as Guest49815 [06:56] Hello everyone [06:57] I hope everyones day is either starting or ending on a good note [07:02] This is my 1st time using Xubuntu and I would like to know if there is any way to add 2 items ? 1. Linuxmint menu and 2.Compiz ? [07:03] Try #xfce first and /maybe/ #ubuntu second, but it's late on a weekday night and I know of nobody directly that can answer your question authoritatively. [07:04] sandra_: The linux mint menu is a Mint only thing (unless you really want to add a repo) And I don't remember how well Compiz works in Xubuntu (emerald doesn't work in 11.04) [07:05] I have never tested it, but if you REALLY want it: http://www.webupd8.org/2010/05/install-linux-mint-main-menu-mintmenu.html [07:06] Thanks the reason I wanted to add LM menu is because there is LMXfce edition and thought if that edition of Xfce could use LM menu perhaps Xubuntu could too. [07:06] and yes compiz for the eye candy effects . [07:08] Unit193, Thank you so much I will read it :-) [07:09] sandra_: It says it's not built for Natty (I'm guessing that's what you are using, correct?), but as you can see here, it is https://launchpad.net/~nilarimogard/+archive/webupd8?field.series_filter=natty [07:11] Unit193, I am using Xubuntu 11.04 so I would say it's based on Natty. Excuse my ignorance on this point I'm new to Linux and Linuxmint. [07:12] Unit193, Would you happen to know if Compiz 0.8.6 would work on Xubuntu ? [07:13] I know others have downgraded to that version on Ubuntu Natty. [07:13] I'm sorry, I don't remember how Xubuntu stands on Compiz [07:15] Unit193, Thank you kindly for your help. I figure if I blow anything up I can just reload Xubuntu. [07:16] sandra_: From what it looks like, Compiz should work [07:16] !compiz [07:16] Compiz (compositing window manager), for a howto see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager and more help #compiz [07:18] ubottu, Thank you very much :-) [07:18] sandra_: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :) [09:10] hey ! [09:10] how do I make the bottom bar appear constantly ? [09:10] right now, as default setting, it always hides [09:21] xubuntu-noob: you disable the checkbox next to "Automatically show and hide the panel" in its preferences [09:22] wow.... I don't know how I had not found this. [09:22] Thanks TheSheep ! [09:22] it's easy to skip because it's such a long text [09:23] so it doesn't scan [09:23] hehe yeah :P [09:23] Now something else : my mounted CIFS devices don't show automatically on Desktop [09:23] How can I activate that behaviour ? [09:24] * TheSheep doesn't know [10:06] xubuntu-noob: have you looked in settings>settings manager>desktop, I think there's a behaviour tab that has some options for that type of stuff [10:07] you might be able to select something there, failing that, can you not create a shortcut to the device from within the filemanager or similar? [11:28] aatk, I just searched the whole settings tab and found nothing :/ === moxyr_ is now known as moxyr [15:54] UDW (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDeveloperWeek) day 3 starting in 6 minutes in #ubuntu-classroom === xGrind is now known as xGrind-off [18:37] would kdropbox work with xubuntu? [18:38] Why wouldn't you use "dropbox" instead? [18:38] tried installing dropbox with ninite installer, but it failed [18:39] ninite isnt complete yet, but dropbox shows in my applications. wait until ninite completes and try it? [18:39] I just used http://wiki.dropbox.com/TipsAndTricks/TextBasedLinuxInstall to install it [18:39] weird, since it says it failed. [18:39] I don't need nautilus or konqi or anything else [18:39] It works with thunar [18:39] I don't know what ninite is, but maybe it just doesn't work right [18:40] * charlie-tca thinks it is always best to let things complete before deciding if they work or not [18:40] ninite is a scripted installer, I think [18:40] its a lazy mans tool! :D [18:40] http://ninite.com/linux/ [18:40] yeah, ill let it complete and take it from there [18:40] lazy mans tool == broken installations most times [18:40] I get the same thing done by maintaining a script with apt-get [packages I like]. [18:41] Simpler and much much less prone to breakage. [18:41] that wasnt a dumb idea! making a script with everything i need [18:41] sounds like one of those things you get to go to them and ask about too [18:41] would just be full og sudo apt-get lines, right? [18:42] !info ninite [18:42] Package ninite does not exist in natty [18:42] if it doesnt work, ill browse the dropbox forums :) but this script stuff, hard to make? [18:42] Whatever it is, it is unsupported here [18:44] seems like it works, lucky this time i guess :) [18:44] vaalir: p. much. [18:44] but could you link me a good webpage with a tutorial for making a script like orngjce223 talked about? [18:45] im a complete boob when it comes to linuz [18:45] x [18:45] I can't, no. Maybe orngjce223 can, since he has it [18:45] The correct pronoun is female. :v [18:45] I can't, no. Maybe orngjce223 can, since she has it [18:45] How 'bout I pastebin the first several lines and you just substitute in what you want? [18:46] I apologize, it is just hard to tell on this [18:46] No problem [18:46] * pleia2 is a fan of the singular they :) [18:46] we can try that orngjce223 ;) thanks! [18:46] Thanks for the reminder, pleia2 [18:47] * charlie-tca really dislikes the s/h/e thing seen at times [18:47] 's fine [18:47] The English language is biased towards male assumptions anyway [18:47] I won't complain. [18:47] Unfortunately, true [18:48] I have friends that require the pronouns "te", "ter", and "tim". It's almost amusing. [18:48] But look at me yakking, I should dig out that script [18:48] take your time :D i've got no rush [18:49] vaalir: normally, we try to help as much as possible. However, some of those automated script things are downright dangerous when you run them. [18:50] ok, understood! might give you something you dont have control over i guess. i assumed this one was safe, since it was a news-post on lifehacker [18:51] give me moments [18:51] I've just gotta add some comments and it should be ready soon [18:51] * vaalir gives orngjce223 moments [18:52] there really is something simpler than installing .deb? (exept .rpm with yum, wish apt had localinstall) [19:00] http://pastebin.com/3ERT3yFr [19:00] many thanks! i will take a look at it and see what i can make of it <3 [19:01] ok, so i just have to make a file name install.sh and use those types of commands? [19:02] Well [19:02] The # are comments, so you can literally copy this entire file to install.sh and edit from there [19:02] Obviously you'll need to change the package selection, and check that the package names are correct [19:03] But the Wait [19:03] Wait [19:03] Okay it should be #!/bin/sh [19:03] I am silly [19:03] :v [19:03] But yeah that's the only /required/ line, the #!/bin/sh at the beginning [19:03] After that you can technically do what you like [19:04] I just structure the file so it's easy to read and modify. [19:04] also the python-software-properties is only there to make apt-add-repository exist [19:04] If you don't need it, you don't need to bother installing it either. [19:04] ok, yes i think i understand. i will just add what i know works and need [19:04] Well, you'll probably want to remove the lowlatency kernel reference [19:04] 95% of people don't need it [19:05] only useful in serious audio processing etc. [19:05] but for adding lines in the repository? like installing XBMC, i usually have to add some lines to the repository [19:05] Yeah [19:05] That's what apt-add-repository is [19:05] Also you'll have to apt-key afterwards [19:05] I'll find you the instructions [19:05] http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-1047353.html [19:06] They should have similar instructions on the XBMC website [19:07] guess they would, now i have something to start with at least :D thank you very much, a script seems VERY nice to have lying around [19:07] Awesome [19:07] You're welcome [19:09] now for another question, and pardon for asking so much at once.. but i can't seem to connect to my windows desktop. it tells me it failed to retrieve share list from server [19:09] Hmm, that's probably a SMB/Samba interaction problem, but I'm not familiar with that subsystem so I can't tell you much about it [19:10] i will consult the oracle then. [19:11] You might try #ubuntu, this is not an xubuntu specific problem [19:12] well, since k\x\buntu is basiccly the same thing, i should most of the time direct my questions there? [19:13] I would ask here first, there is less traffic and you often get answered sooner [19:13] but it is personal choice :) [19:13] sometimes you wait a lot longer here, too [19:16] thanks :D [19:17] Well, I am not the normal IRC idler, I actually try to answer questions, tho' mostly my answers consist of "someone at ___ could help you better" [19:18] But I /do/ try to get back as soon as possible [19:19] getting directed to somewhere else usually is a good solution, if its a place with people who knows their stuff really good :D [19:20] Mmhm [19:20] But maybe that's just my personality [19:55] hm. [20:32] Hey guys.. I use docky and Xubuntu 11.04.. but i want to add the "applications menu" to my dock.. how can i do this? [20:33] I honestly have no idea. You could ask #xfce ? [20:33] Ah guess i will do that, just hoping someone in here, had been in the same situation ;) [20:35] vooze: please do not post to more than one channel at a time [20:36] oh, sorry, I guess you did not do that [20:36] docky is the *really* simple dock? [20:36] applications menu is a panel applet, I don't know that it can go into the "docky" [20:38] you could try AWN, it's simple with that (except it gives you menu with gnome-settings stuff but you can deal with it) [20:38] Hehe.. i just want to allmost remove the panel and just use dock.. i only use panel (thats hidden) for wifi, and system messages) [20:39] systray (notification area) is aso easy on AWN [20:39] *also [20:39] !info avant-window-navigator [20:39] avant-window-navigator (source: avant-window-navigator): A MacOS X like panel for GNOME. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.4.1~bzr822-0ubuntu3 (natty), package size 318 kB, installed size 1080 kB [20:40] hmm. i just really like docky.. it runs sooo smooth [20:40] any dock should [20:40] well cairo was a big "too heavy" I think.. thats why i choose docky [20:40] vooze: what about using the right-click on the desktop for the menus? [20:41] It doesn't have to be a menu button at all [20:41] AWN isn't nearly as complicated as cairo, it ran well on weaker machine too [20:41] charlie-tca: yeah i guess that would do, but i still would like the other solution also ;) [21:05] hi [21:06] does xubuntu depend much on gnome libs? [21:07] not too much, i don't think [21:08] As much as it needs to make it work [21:08] less and less as time goes by [21:09] gn8 [21:09] it used to be very gnome-dependant [21:10] a lot of work has been done to remove gnome libs where possible [21:11] hello everybody [21:11] linux newcomer here, and i just wanted to ask if xubuntu is a good choice for a stone aged laptop (mobility amd 64 3000+ running at 800 mhz, 512mb ram) [21:13] xubuntu should work ok on that hardware [21:13] the question is, would it work well? [21:13] i also thought about getting lubuntu instead, but i'm not sure [21:13] but it depends what you want to do with the laptop [21:13] not much [21:13] get familiar with linux first [21:14] got the laptop from my neighbor and i'd like to use it as a backup computer in case mine goes down the wooloo [21:14] just for basic internet access, listening to music maybe, and some office stuff [21:14] i believe that lubuntu is more lightweight than xubuntu [21:14] i heard it is, aye [21:15] but xubuntu is a more mature distribution, so would be perhaps more familiar to you [21:15] okay [21:15] well, i can always try both i guess [21:15] that said, lubuntu is moving pretty fast atm and i've not looked at it in a while [21:15] i'll go with xubuntu first, and if that works well, i'll stick with it ;p [21:16] alright, thanks [21:16] Lubuntu is looking sweet(!) in 11.04! And looking even better for 11.10! [21:16] no problem - hope it all goes well for you, whichever distro you choose [21:17] i wouldn't mind a second opinion. which would you choose, Unit193? [21:18] Zergreth: It's all personal choice, I can't exactly tell you what you should pick. I would try both and see what you like, but I might think LXDE would do just a little better [21:18] alrighty, thanks [21:18] I love both Lubuntu and Xubuntu, but Lubuneu is more lightweight while Xubuntu is easier to configure [21:19] oh coincidence. the lubuntu screenshots page features one where blender's short "Sintel" can be seen. i'm in love with that [21:19] i would expect better performance from lubuntu [21:20] well, i'm quite good with computers in general, i've been coding for several years and will begin studying computer science this year. i hope i won't be having lots of trouble with linux :) [21:20] but the trade-off might be a desktop that's not quite as you want it [21:20] when you say xubuntu is easier to configure, do you mean lubuntu is hard even for people used to linux, or hard for people not used to it? [21:21] beardygnome, the screenshots show a generic wallpaper, a taskbar-like thingy and some windows floating around. what else do i need? :p [21:21] do you want the ability to connect to network shares? [21:22] for example [21:22] uhm [21:22] what do you mean by "network shares"? [21:23] sorry, language barrier; i'm german :) [21:23] NFS, windows files, etc [21:23] do you want to be able to get files from another server or computer that is connected to your network? [21:24] i don't necessarily need that, nope [21:24] xubuntu is able to do that, i don't think that lubuntu can [21:25] i don't think i care, so that's alright [21:25] any other notable differences? [21:25] not that i can think of, but i haven't used lubuntu in a while [21:26] okay [21:26] well, i'll just give it a try, and if i'm not happy with it, i'll try xubuntu as well :) [21:26] i think you have to configure lubuntu by changing configuration files a lot [21:26] xubuntu has a lot more gui-based configuration [21:26] i really don't mind config files [21:27] you might learn more from that anyway [21:27] even on windows i prefer them over guis, and i use the command line to do many common tasks [21:27] sounds like you'll do weel with linux then :-) [21:27] *well [21:27] Lubuntu has lxappearance, but else it's an xml file [21:28] Lubuntu does support shares, but not as easy as it is in Xubuntu [21:28] it really doesn't sound like i'll be having many problems with it === xGrind-off is now known as xGrind [21:28] alright, thanks guys. i gotta go; bye! [21:28] Adios! === `mOOse` is now known as m00se === `mOOse` is now known as m00se [22:16] /join #documentfoundation [22:16] rynx: no space in front of / [22:16] Ah, jeez; thanks [22:17] blame the keyboard, it might add spaces at the wrong times