| lifeless | poolie_: whats the link you added to creatingnewprojects for ? | 00:00 |
|---|---|---|
| poolie_ | lifeless: i think people will google 'create launchpad project' end up there and be confused | 00:00 |
| lifeless | ok, I think it needs refinement though | 00:01 |
| poolie_ | sure | 00:01 |
| poolie_ | just wanted to give people a chance to understand it is not rules about launchpad as a whole | 00:01 |
| poolie_ | typical quoting problem | 00:01 |
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| === wgrant changed the topic of #launchpad-dev to: https://dev.launchpad.net/ | On call reviewer: - | Critical bugs: 232 - 0:[######=_]:256 | ||
| wgrant | Where did the 15 new bugs come from? :/ | 00:35 |
| wgrant | Erm | 02:12 |
| wgrant | http://blog.launchpad.net/cool-new-stuff/better-bug-subscriptions was published yesterday, but it shows the UI from when the feature was released, which is completely different from the current one :/ | 02:13 |
| wgrant | Should we unpublish until it's fixed? | 02:14 |
| wgrant | Oh, it's at least not frontpaged. | 02:14 |
| lifeless | eyeballs requested: https://dev.launchpad.net/PolicyAndProcess/DatabaseSchemaChangesProcess | 02:18 |
| wgrant | lifeless: Have we analysed recent patches to see how many of them are doable without simultaenous changes? | 02:21 |
| lifeless | wgrant: not rigorously, but we haven't been trying to do it either, so what we've done isn't a baseline | 02:22 |
| lifeless | wgrant: we know that all the ha services out there manage | 02:22 |
| wgrant | lifeless: I think we should before we go much further, so we don't get ourselves into trouble. | 02:24 |
| wgrant | Since we're throwing away read-only (which I still find fairly unwise) | 02:24 |
| wallyworld_ | lifeless: about your document ^^^: in the Deploying Patches section, "After successful QA on a patch, ...". I take it that is for hot patches. Cold patches are deployed once a month during out downtime deployment. Shoudl that text say "After QA on a hot patch, ..."? | 02:25 |
| lifeless | wallyworld_: not any more | 02:25 |
| lifeless | wallyworld_: you might want to read yesterdays performance tuesday mail ;) | 02:25 |
| StevenK | wgrant: Do you think the removal of the bazaar-experts celebrity is QA-able? | 02:26 |
| wallyworld_ | lifeless: i read it but it clearly has gone in one ear and straight out the other :-( | 02:26 |
| wgrant | StevenK: Check that you have branch access, possibly check that LOSAs do. | 02:26 |
| StevenK | wgrant: I can change the details of an owned branch, good enough? | 02:27 |
| wgrant | StevenK: Indeed. | 02:28 |
| lifeless | wallyworld_: there are now no scheduled monthly patch windows | 02:29 |
| lifeless | wallyworld_: over the next 4 weeks we'll be bringing up the process for doing short downtime multiple times a week | 02:29 |
| lifeless | wallyworld_: (short => less than 300 seconds) | 02:29 |
| lifeless | wallyworld_: and all patches landing from here on in need to be compatible with that process | 02:29 |
| wallyworld_ | lifeless: ah, right. thanks. for that 300 seconds, lp will be in ro mode? | 02:30 |
| wallyworld_ | this will be a fantasic change | 02:30 |
| lifeless | no, just db connections refused | 02:31 |
| lifeless | going into readonly mode and out again takes an hour | 02:31 |
| wgrant | lifeless: In the current implementation. | 02:31 |
| wgrant | There is nothing that requires that.l | 02:31 |
| lifeless | wgrant: sure, and if someone wants to work on that they can | 02:31 |
| wgrant | Even in the current model, where we have to rebuild the slave because slony is crap. | 02:32 |
| wgrant | Touch file, detach slave, upgrade, remove file, rebuild slave. | 02:32 |
| wgrant | No slower than blocking connections. | 02:32 |
| lifeless | so no | 02:32 |
| lifeless | we're not detaching slaves or rebuilding them. | 02:32 |
| wgrant | Why not? | 02:32 |
| lifeless | thats a cause of about 90% of our downtime delays. | 02:32 |
| wgrant | We can easily do this without downtime... | 02:32 |
| lifeless | I don't object to a great implementation of readonly mode. But readonly mode must not make the downtime longer or riskier. | 02:33 |
| lifeless | Currently it does. | 02:33 |
| wallyworld_ | if db connections are refused for 5 minutes, the users will see page timeouts? | 02:33 |
| lifeless | And its not at all clear to me that that can be fixed on slony. | 02:33 |
| wgrant | Can we tell SSO to GTFO of our DB and move to a sensible replication strategy? | 02:33 |
| lifeless | wgrant: not in the same timeframe as this project ;) | 02:34 |
| lifeless | wallyworld_: they will see a horrible mess in the very first cut, but we'll iterate. | 02:34 |
| wallyworld_ | cool, just checking :-) | 02:34 |
| wgrant | lifeless: "a horrible mess" meaning a maintenance page? | 02:34 |
| lifeless | like, the appservers can show a fail-UFO page when they can't connect to the DB eventually | 02:34 |
| * wallyworld_ was also wondering that | 02:34 | |
| wgrant | Unlike slony, reloading apache isn't risky. | 02:35 |
| lifeless | wgrant: according to losas it is. | 02:35 |
| wgrant | They are wrong :) | 02:35 |
| lifeless | wgrant: they are the ones dealing with our apaches not restarting cleanly today. | 02:35 |
| lifeless | wgrant: so, I beg to differ. | 02:35 |
| wgrant | We have had a lot of rollout problems, and that is not one of them that I've ever heard of. | 02:35 |
| wgrant | So we have rollout problems that are hidden from us? Yay. | 02:35 |
| lifeless | wgrant: we don't restart apache during our rollouts. | 02:35 |
| spm | minor correction. we graceful apache on crowberry. | 02:36 |
| lifeless | ah, one. | 02:36 |
| wgrant | We can't just leave the appservers silently broken for 5 minutes. | 02:36 |
| spm | branch rewriter thingybobby | 02:36 |
| lifeless | wgrant: 5 minutes is not the target; its the absolute outer limit | 02:37 |
| wgrant | Perfect is the enemy of good, but terrible is the enemy of not looking like we are useless. | 02:37 |
| lifeless | wgrant: the target is 10-20 seconds | 02:37 |
| lifeless | wgrant: look, if you want to jump in and make the error condition look nice, that would be awesome. | 02:38 |
| lifeless | wgrant: I was clear about what I was proposing on -stakeholders | 02:38 |
| elmo | wait | 02:38 |
| elmo | what? | 02:38 |
| elmo | what's the problem with reloading apache? | 02:38 |
| wgrant | That's what I said. | 02:38 |
| StevenK | How do I get (and reset) the OOPS count in a test? self.getOopsCount() or so? | 02:38 |
| elmo | re*starting* apache can be problematic | 02:38 |
| elmo | but reloading is just fine | 02:38 |
| elmo | we do it *all the time* | 02:38 |
| wgrant | If we can't reload Apache, we have pretty serious problems. | 02:38 |
| lifeless | elmo: spm was telling me a month or so back that our ones don't go cleanly occasionally | 02:39 |
| lifeless | elmo: I didn't get details | 02:39 |
| elmo | lifeless: restart yes - reload no | 02:39 |
| elmo | and we wouldn't need a restart to put a maintenance page in place | 02:39 |
| lifeless | ok, good to know. Can a script running on wildcherry drive such a change ? | 02:39 |
| wgrant | So I may not be insane. This is good. | 02:39 |
| elmo | lifeless: it could, sure | 02:40 |
| lifeless | ok, cool. | 02:40 |
| spm | lifeless: I suspect you're mixing problems there. we have a known issue where a reload won't clear a certain problem; necessitating a restart. but that's a different beastie. | 02:41 |
| lifeless | spm: it wasn't, but its beside the point - I'm entirely happy for us to do something you guys consider low-risk-of-fail | 02:44 |
| lifeless | spm: my criteria are: the core script must not block on niceties (because once downtime starts, users are indisposed regardless); and the script must not be able to be made unreliable due to non-core-tasks. | 02:45 |
| spm | nod | 02:47 |
| StevenK | wgrant: O hai, can haz review? | 03:55 |
| wgrant | StevenK: Which? | 04:05 |
| StevenK | wgrant: https://code.launchpad.net/~stevenk/launchpad/daily-build-oops/+merge/67915 | 04:09 |
| StevenK | wgrant: Danke | 04:20 |
| poolie | spiv, your patch failed again the same way | 05:08 |
| poolie | has anyone else seen "ImportError: No module named html5browser" inside importfascist? | 05:09 |
| poolie | ah i see the mail | 05:09 |
| poolie | nm | 05:10 |
| poolie | spiv i think i can fix it | 05:10 |
| spiv | Ah good :) | 05:10 |
| StevenK | lifeless: O hai, Mr OCR. Can haz review? | 05:22 |
| lifeless | of whut | 05:42 |
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| wgrant | StevenK: https://code.launchpad.net/~wgrant/launchpad/bug-419534/+merge/67918 | 06:17 |
| StevenK | lifeless: Sorry. https://code.launchpad.net/~stevenk/launchpad/uploaded-packages-wrong-link/+merge/67916 | 06:35 |
| StevenK | wgrant: r=me | 06:37 |
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| lifeless | stub: hiya | 07:50 |
| lifeless | stub: after this cutover, can we do our weekly catchup ? | 07:50 |
| bigjools | morning | 07:50 |
| lifeless | o/~ | 07:51 |
| adeuring | good morning | 07:52 |
| stub | lifeless: sure | 07:54 |
| mrevell | Hallo | 07:57 |
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| === jtv-brb is now known as jtv | ||
| === almaisan-away is now known as al-maisan | ||
| jtv | Anyone mind if I update dogfood? allenap, bigjools, StevenK, wgrant? | 08:56 |
| bigjools | jfdi | 08:56 |
| * jtv jfdis | 08:56 | |
| StevenK | Any one up for reviewing https://code.launchpad.net/~stevenk/launchpad/queue-no-changes ? | 09:19 |
| StevenK | Bah, branch URL. | 09:19 |
| StevenK | https://code.launchpad.net/~stevenk/launchpad/queue-no-changes/+merge/67913 | 09:21 |
| bigjools | StevenK: where's the bug for that? | 09:25 |
| StevenK | bigjools: I don't think there is one. | 09:48 |
| bigjools | StevenK: then what are you fixing? | 09:48 |
| StevenK | bigjools: Happy to file a High bug for it. | 09:48 |
| bigjools | just want to know more about it, 'tis all | 09:48 |
| StevenK | bigjools: Right. When I was working with the LOSAs to reject an ACCEPTED binary upload on germanium, the queue tool didn't work. That branch should sort it. | 09:49 |
| bigjools | ah ok | 09:50 |
| bigjools | file bug :) | 09:51 |
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| bigjools | release the hounds - /me just made a branch that allows people to use the API to request uploads to ubuntu by copying packages from PPAs. | 10:43 |
| LPCIBot | Project devel build #888: FAILURE in 2 hr 5 min: https://lpci.wedontsleep.org/job/devel/888/ | 10:48 |
| === allenap changed the topic of #launchpad-dev to: https://dev.launchpad.net/ | On call reviewer: allenap | Critical bugs: 232 - 0:[######=_]:256 | ||
| bigjools | allenap: incoming branch from me if you don't mind? | 10:51 |
| allenap | bigjools: Cool. | 10:53 |
| bigjools | tar | 10:57 |
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| StevenK | bigjools: Can you have another look at my MP? | 10:58 |
| StevenK | 2 hours?! | 10:58 |
| bigjools | yarp | 10:58 |
| * StevenK peers at Jenkins | 10:58 | |
| henninge-lunch | allenap: Hi! If you could have a look at my branch while I am away, that would be great. | 10:58 |
| henninge-lunch | https://code.launchpad.net/~henninge/launchpad/bug-740208-ws-regression/+merge/67937 | 10:58 |
| StevenK | Sigh, the slave died | 10:59 |
| bigjools | StevenK: that's an odd test | 10:59 |
| StevenK | bigjools: It tests that exact code path | 10:59 |
| StevenK | Which is what you wanted | 10:59 |
| bigjools | StevenK: by inspecting the logger? | 10:59 |
| bigjools | shouldn't it check no email is sent? | 10:59 |
| StevenK | How else do I determine it did *nothing*? :-) | 11:00 |
| StevenK | It doesn't even get that far, it bails out extremly early | 11:00 |
| bigjools | so checking that no email is sent will be fine, right? | 11:00 |
| wgrant | StevenK: So it's going to reject it silently? | 11:00 |
| wgrant | That's bad. | 11:00 |
| StevenK | wgrant: There's no changes file and no blamer | 11:01 |
| bigjools | if there's no changes file what else can be done? | 11:01 |
| wgrant | Ah, true. | 11:01 |
| wgrant | Delayed copies must die. | 11:01 |
| bigjools | nearly there! | 11:01 |
| bigjools | my branch today does some of the PCJ attachment to API copies | 11:01 |
| * StevenK prods bigjools :-P | 11:06 | |
| bigjools | StevenK: fix the test to check for no email, examining the debug log is gross | 11:07 |
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| bigjools | that is the intention of the change, right? To not blow up by attempting to send email with corrupt data (no PU) | 11:08 |
| StevenK | bigjools: Done. | 11:13 |
| bigjools | StevenK: I approved you already | 11:13 |
| StevenK | bigjools: Danke | 11:13 |
| bigjools | bitte | 11:13 |
| StevenK | Bring on longpoll | 11:14 |
| jml | StevenK: how long do we have to wait | 11:17 |
| jml | it's been two weeks since I saw a working demo | 11:18 |
| bigjools | blame lifeless, he wants all this deployment gubbins done :) | 11:18 |
| StevenK | I'm so tempted to reply with 'Oh noes' | 11:18 |
| jml | bigjools: what sort of deployment gubbins? | 11:19 |
| bigjools | it will be the first time we've done something with the new SOA, so the longpoll server needs its own deployment story. We also need better metrics on it and Rabbit | 11:20 |
| bigjools | we'll probably look at it agan when DDs are done. | 11:20 |
| bigjools | and when I say "better", I mean "some" :) | 11:20 |
| jml | bigjools: quite a lot of stuff then | 11:21 |
| jml | bigjools: it'd be nice to be able to see how an external contributor could help. | 11:21 |
| bigjools | jml: the best place would be to help us get metrics since the rest of it's internal | 11:22 |
| jml | bigjools: got a list of the things you need & the format you need them in? | 11:23 |
| bigjools | that's a better question for lifeless | 11:23 |
| bigjools | let me dig up some bugs though | 11:23 |
| bigjools | hmm no bugs | 11:24 |
| lifeless | jml: the bugs are all linked from the LEP | 11:24 |
| bigjools | there we go | 11:25 |
| jml | lifeless: ok, thanks. | 11:25 |
| LPCIBot | Project db-devel build #720: FAILURE in 5 hr 13 min: https://lpci.wedontsleep.org/job/db-devel/720/ | 11:40 |
| cjwatson | is https://dev.launchpad.net/PolicyAndProcess/DatabaseSchemaChangesProcess active as of now? should I be refactoring my multiarch-translations branch to separate out the schema patch? | 11:43 |
| lifeless | cjwatson: yes | 11:49 |
| wgrant | lifeless says yes, but I doubt it. | 11:49 |
| wgrant | But for yours it can't hurt. | 11:49 |
| lifeless | wgrant: you also doubted making LP faster ;) | 11:49 |
| wgrant | lifeless: Yeah, but that didn't go from 0 to implemented in three weeks :) | 11:49 |
| lifeless | wgrant: indeed, it was faster :P | 11:49 |
| lifeless | wgrant: I want a consult with you wearing your tz-friendly soyuz-internals-specialist about the buildmaster + db resets tomorrow, if you have time | 11:50 |
| wgrant | lifeless: Ewww, but maybe. | 11:51 |
| cjwatson | wgrant: seeing as I don't really want to wait for Aug 12 :-) | 11:51 |
| lifeless | cjwatson: oh, for clarity | 11:52 |
| lifeless | cjwatson: we need *patches* to abide by that now. | 11:52 |
| lifeless | cjwatson: we're not live on the *deployment* side of it yet, but we're aiming to be doing that rather than a 90 minute downtime in august | 11:52 |
| bigjools | lifeless: FWIW I don't think the buildmaster has any issues, when I was writing it I often killed it mid-cycle and there's lots of code to recover from Bad Stuff. | 11:52 |
| lifeless | bigjools: thats a great comfort | 11:53 |
| lifeless | bigjools: did you try taking the db out from under it ? | 11:53 |
| wgrant | bigjools: There are a couple of consistency issues that are just about impossible to track down. | 11:53 |
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| wgrant | But they are rare. | 11:53 |
| lifeless | bigjools: I figure we'll need some reconnection glue | 11:53 |
| bigjools | lifeless: I didn't test that. | 11:53 |
| cjwatson | OK; if, for the sake of argument, I posted the db part of that patch separately, might I expect it to be deployed before Aug 12? | 11:53 |
| bigjools | all our daemons will need reconnection glue I expect | 11:53 |
| lifeless | cjwatson: expect no. Pleasantly surprised, I hope so. | 11:53 |
| cjwatson | (and how are you tracking dependencies between the separated-out db-devel and devel targeted branches?) | 11:53 |
| lifeless | bigjools: https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bugs?field.tag=fastdowntime | 11:54 |
| bigjools | yes :) | 11:54 |
| lifeless | cjwatson: for your branch, you'll need to land both components on db-devel (because we're not live on the incremental deploy steps yet) | 11:54 |
| lifeless | cjwatson: but you need to land them in separate landings so we know the schema change doesn't break existing code. | 11:54 |
| cjwatson | ok, makes sense | 11:55 |
| bigjools | I think I am in love with bzr switch | 11:56 |
| bigjools | how can I break this to my wife | 11:56 |
| lifeless | bigjools: offer her preferred-courtesan status | 11:56 |
| lifeless | bigjools: 'same job, better perks' | 11:56 |
| bigjools | "cour·te·san (kôr t -z n, k r -). n. A woman prostitute" | 11:57 |
| bigjools | she'll love that | 11:57 |
| nigelb | We desperately need an Ubuntu quotes db. | 11:58 |
| nigelb | :) | 11:58 |
| bigjools | perhaps some bzr-backed wiki? *cough* | 11:59 |
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| StevenK | nigelb: No, we *don't*. | 12:13 |
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| nigelb | StevenK: heh | 12:19 |
| nigelb | StevenK: Why not? :-) | 12:19 |
| StevenK | Because quotes pages are dangerous. | 12:19 |
| StevenK | And productivity sinks. Ubuntu has enough of those. :-) | 12:20 |
| nigelb | Hah | 12:20 |
| benji | StevenK: that should go on the quotes page | 12:26 |
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| === jcsackett changed the topic of #launchpad-dev to: https://dev.launchpad.net/ | On call reviewer: allenap, jcsackett | Critical bugs: 232 - 0:[######=_]:256 | ||
| jcsackett | henninge: ping. | 13:44 |
| henninge | jcsackett: Hi! ;) | 13:54 |
| jcsackett | henninge: hi, i'm looking at https://code.launchpad.net/~henninge/launchpad/bug-740208-ws-regression/+merge/67937, and had one question. | 13:54 |
| henninge | jcsackett: ask away | 13:54 |
| jcsackett | is this just you addressing a wart in the code you found, or was this Text/Diff thing responsible for an issue found in qa? | 13:54 |
| henninge | It was causing an oops | 13:55 |
| jcsackett | henninge: ok, then is it possible to create a test showing the oops doesn't happen anymore as part of this branch, to prove it's the fix? | 13:55 |
| henninge | jcsackett: Sorry, I just realized I forgot to mention more context. | 13:55 |
| jcsackett | henninge: no worries. just leads to me bugging you on IRC. :-) | 13:56 |
| henninge | jcsackett: I could try but it is a test for a corner case. | 13:56 |
| jcsackett | henninge: how "corner" are we talking? major pain to set up the testcase? | 13:57 |
| henninge | jcsackett: I am not sure. There are tests that don't trigger the error so I think something is still missing to create the same situation as in production. | 13:58 |
| henninge | jcsackett: But I am happy to give it a try. | 13:58 |
| henninge | jcsackett: did you claim the review? deryck had offered to review it. Just to avoid double work. | 14:00 |
| jcsackett | henninge: i was just looking it over. i claimed it, but can abstain in a comment and assign it to deryck, if he has more context to look at it with. :-) | 14:01 |
| * deryck doesn't mind jcsackett taking it, but is happy to do it, too | 14:01 | |
| jcsackett | deryck, henninge: I'm OCR today, so i may as well finish it up. :-) | 14:01 |
| deryck | jcsackett, henninge -- works for me. :) | 14:01 |
| henninge | jcsackett: go ahead ;) | 14:02 |
| deryck | Fresh eyes are nice as well. | 14:02 |
| henninge | yup | 14:02 |
| flacoste | bigjools: i need to QA https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/805634 | 14:04 |
| flacoste | bigjools: what do you suggest? I ask a losa to run populate-archive on qastaging and check the builds priority? | 14:04 |
| bigjools | flacoste: yes, that should work | 14:05 |
| bigjools | flacoste: or staging | 14:05 |
| flacoste | bigjools: any easy way to look at an archives builds from the UI? or should I use API, or poke the DB? | 14:08 |
| bigjools | flacoste: yes it'll appear in the UI | 14:08 |
| bigjools | flacoste: <distro>/+archives | 14:08 |
| bigjools | and you can examine the builds | 14:09 |
| abentley | deryck: chat? | 14:11 |
| jcsackett | henninge: given the corner-case issue, i think this looks fine. esp as the actual diff is fairly trivial. r=me. | 14:13 |
| henninge | jcsackett: thank you! ;) | 14:13 |
| deryck | abentley, sure. let me fire up mumble. | 14:14 |
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| flacoste | danilos: can you update the description of bug 775691 to clearly describe the low-priority corner case that it is? please | 15:09 |
| flacoste | gmb: i think i have the solution to your problem, and it's netierh #1, #2, or #3 | 15:10 |
| flacoste | gmb: i'm confirming my hunch and writing a reply | 15:10 |
| gmb | flacoste: Cool, thanks. | 15:13 |
| abentley | deryck: is there a way of testing whether an object is an lp.client.Entry? | 15:19 |
| abentley | deryck: I would have thought you could do prototype === prototype, but I get false positives. | 15:20 |
| deryck | abentley, instanceof will work. | 15:21 |
| deryck | abentley, x instanceof y | 15:21 |
| deryck | I don't know if yui 3 has some wrapper around this to make it nicer. | 15:21 |
| deryck | abentley, so a docs search shows me Assert.isInstanceOf and Y.instanceOf | 15:23 |
| abentley | deryck: cool. | 15:23 |
| flacoste | gmb: hunch failed... writing reply :-( | 15:31 |
| gmb | flacoste: Boo. Oh well. | 15:34 |
| jkakar | I'm regularly getting logged out of Launchpad... is that a temporary issue or was some change made to make this happen? | 15:47 |
| gary_poster | jkakar, temporary. dbs were flipped around. | 15:48 |
| gary_poster | danilos, jtv, neither of you are here, but if you had a better idea on triaging https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/810309 that would be great | 15:49 |
| _mup_ | Bug #810309: Translator credits appear duplicated <Launchpad itself:Triaged> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/810309 > | 15:49 |
| jtv | gary_poster: I am here. | 15:49 |
| gary_poster | jtv, why for goodness sake? :-) | 15:50 |
| jtv | gary_poster: I'm in Europe, where it's still more or less working-day hours. | 15:50 |
| gary_poster | oh, ok, didn't know jtv | 15:50 |
| jtv | This bug looks like some kind of nasty loop behaviour between imports and exports. | 15:51 |
| jkakar | gary_poster: Cool, thanks. | 15:52 |
| jtv | oh, hi jkakar! | 15:52 |
| jkakar | jtv: Hi! :) | 15:53 |
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| === allenap changed the topic of #launchpad-dev to: https://dev.launchpad.net/ | On call reviewer: jcsackett | Critical bugs: 232 - 0:[######=_]:256 | ||
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| * deryck goes offline for lunch, back online in an hour | 16:34 | |
| * bigjools waves at jcsackett | 16:44 | |
| jcsackett | heya, bigjools. | 16:48 |
| bigjools | howdy jcsackett. May I push a review in your direction please? | 16:48 |
| jcsackett | certainly. | 16:48 |
| bigjools | https://code.launchpad.net/~julian-edwards/launchpad/async-copying-part-2/+merge/67989 | 16:48 |
| bigjools | thanks | 16:49 |
| jcsackett | bigjools: r=me. | 17:00 |
| bigjools | jcsackett: thanking you sir | 17:01 |
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| LPCIBot | Yippie, build fixed! | 17:11 |
| LPCIBot | Project devel build #889: FIXED in 5 hr 59 min: https://lpci.wedontsleep.org/job/devel/889/ | 17:11 |
| LPCIBot | Yippie, build fixed! | 17:19 |
| LPCIBot | Project db-devel build #721: FIXED in 5 hr 39 min: https://lpci.wedontsleep.org/job/db-devel/721/ | 17:19 |
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| flacoste | deryck, gary_poster: a new escalated bug by ISD: https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/810626 | 18:04 |
| _mup_ | Bug #810626: launchpad should mark required sreg attributes as required <escalated> <Canonical SSO provider:New> <Launchpad itself:Triaged> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/810626 > | 18:04 |
| flacoste | should be fairly shallow | 18:04 |
| deryck | flacoste, cool, thanks. | 18:04 |
| gary_poster | flacoste, cool, yeah, we were asking you about that one on ops | 18:04 |
| flacoste | but it blocks them deploying their new version as it's a potential source of problems for us | 18:04 |
| gary_poster | cool | 18:05 |
| deryck | gary_poster, what will it be? orange or yellow? rock, paper, scissors, lizard, Spock for it? | 18:05 |
| flacoste | i've only marked the one about making the fields required Critical | 18:05 |
| flacoste | since the other one, is only relevant when we handle multiple OPs | 18:06 |
| flacoste | so I marked it Low | 18:06 |
| gary_poster | deryck, whoever gets to first :-) we've got a couple of escalated in progress already | 18:06 |
| * flacoste thinks Orange should contribute to the escalated effort ;-) | 18:06 | |
| deryck | indeed we can :) | 18:06 |
| flacoste | Yellow has 3 potential fixes for the week | 18:07 |
| * deryck didn't realize yellow had escalated bugs already | 18:07 | |
| gary_poster | yellow hears "escalated" and comes running! It might be...fun, or something?! | 18:07 |
| deryck | :-) | 18:08 |
| deryck | flacoste, gary_poster -- we've got a card on orange next lane now for it. | 18:08 |
| gary_poster | cool | 18:09 |
| abentley | bac: because your getnewcache is based on my json-serialisation, merging from devel creates criss-cross merges and screws up the diffs between my branch and yours. Could you please refrain from that in the future? | 18:34 |
| abentley | bac: And could you please pull my ~abentley/launchpad/getnewcache, where I've fixed the criss-cross? | 18:35 |
| abentley | deryck: a closer look at the update_cache code shows it's correctly updating the plain json objects, rather than replacing them with Entry objects. | 18:39 |
| deryck | abentley, ok, thanks for the update. | 18:41 |
| SpamapS | Is there an API call I can do to get this list: https://code.launchpad.net/principia/oneiric | 18:55 |
| === matsubara-lunch is now known as matsubara | ||
| abentley | SpamapS: Yes: getBranches | 19:34 |
| abentley | SpamapS: Actually, that's on DistroSourcePackage, not DistroSeries. | 19:35 |
| SpamapS | abentley: you got me all excited.. ;-) | 19:37 |
| abentley | SpamapS: It probably exists as a method, just not exported yet. | 19:37 |
| gary_poster | sinzui, I'm about to file a bug about the send-person-notifications script not logging errors to the filesystem. Am I right, or did I simply miss it? AFAIK, one can only get the error reports from the launchpad-error-reports list, which I think is bad. | 19:43 |
| sinzui | gary_poster, I did not find the log. report the bug | 19:43 |
| gary_poster | thanks sinzui | 19:43 |
| lifeless | gary_poster: well it should be oopsing | 19:51 |
| lifeless | gary_poster: have you looked for an OOPS yet ? | 19:51 |
| lifeless | gary_poster: changing from stderr to a log file is an RT generally, if its a Launchpad*Script | 19:51 |
| gary_poster | lifeless, looked for OOPS: how and where would I do so? I am only aware of a "if you know the OOPS id then you are in luck" interface | 19:52 |
| lifeless | they all get rsynced to carob | 19:52 |
| === matsubara is now known as matsubara-afk | ||
| lifeless | flacoste: on bug 810623 | 21:23 |
| _mup_ | Bug #810623: launchpad oopses when no sreg attributes are returned by SSO <Launchpad itself:Triaged> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/810623 > | 21:23 |
| lifeless | flacoste: I think we should keep to the oops->critical, but do a real simple fix - make it a UFD or BadRequest | 21:24 |
| lifeless | flacoste: or | 21:24 |
| lifeless | flacoste: close it invalid | 21:24 |
| poolie_ | hi all | 21:52 |
| flacoste | lifeless: might want to leave a comment | 21:59 |
| flacoste | deryck's squad can sort it out when they work on the main one | 21:59 |
| lifeless | flacoste: I will, wanted to discuss with you first ;) | 22:00 |
| lifeless | flacoste: so we didn't get in a bidding war | 22:00 |
| lifeless | flacoste: I favour the first case | 22:00 |
| flacoste | lifeless: i'm easy today, so whatever :-) | 22:01 |
| lifeless | heh, ok | 22:01 |
| poolie_ | re https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/807383 in theory it ought to be possible to work out which oops a particular user hit, shouldn't it? | 22:01 |
| poolie_ | s//oughtn't it? | 22:01 |
| poolie_ | or is it just a case of, if they don't work hard enough to report it we don't have a special bug for it? | 22:02 |
| lifeless | its not easy to find the right one (we log oops *files* for things we don't count as OOPS. [thats a bug]). | 22:04 |
| lifeless | also, we're still swamped, so its not like we're at the point [yet] of picking up the 3 or 4 unique oopses from the daily report and driving them to zero. | 22:04 |
| lifeless | poolie_: actually, another way to put it is: we track all oopses and well get them all eventually; if soneone wants to jump queue - manually filing a bug for us, thats fine, but then the onus is on them to help us out | 22:18 |
| poolie_ | right | 22:26 |
| poolie_ | that's pretty much what i though | 22:26 |
| poolie_ | t | 22:26 |
| lifeless | oh wow | 22:35 |
| lifeless | sinzui: why ? | 22:35 |
| lifeless | New member: | 22:35 |
| lifeless | (Choose…) | 22:35 |
| lifeless | You can't add a team that doesn't have any active members. | 22:35 |
| lifeless | sinzui: adding ~canonical-launchpad-emeritus to https://launchpad.net/~launchpad-emeritus/+addmember | 22:35 |
| poolie_ | <lifeless> The most recent 90 minute downtime was the last ever. | 22:36 |
| poolie_ | would be nice | 22:36 |
| LPCIBot | Project devel build #890: FAILURE in 5 hr 36 min: https://lpci.wedontsleep.org/job/devel/890/ | 22:47 |
| sinzui | lifeless, I have never seen that issue show up. I do not know why Lp wont let you | 23:00 |
| sinzui | m | 23:00 |
| LPCIBot | Project db-devel build #722: FAILURE in 5 hr 41 min: https://lpci.wedontsleep.org/job/db-devel/722/ | 23:01 |
| sinzui | StevenK, mumble? | 23:04 |
| lifeless | sinzui: I think its a mistake, because a team can be emptied after including in another team | 23:13 |
| lifeless | sinzui: any objection to a jfdi fix ? | 23:13 |
| sinzui | please jfdi | 23:15 |
| StevenK | win 24 | 23:22 |
| nigelb | fail? :) | 23:23 |
| * StevenK kicks nigelb :-P | 23:23 | |
| * nigelb has had a sleepless night :/ | 23:24 | |
| wgrant | lifeless: When do you want to talk? | 23:25 |
| lifeless | when I get off the phone with allison :) | 23:25 |
| lifeless | 15? | 23:26 |
| wgrant | Sure | 23:29 |
| wgrant | Attack of the TAs? | 23:29 |
| lifeless | :P | 23:29 |
| nigelb | lol | 23:29 |
| nigelb | wallyworld_: What time do you EOD? | 23:30 |
| wallyworld_ | nigelb: i've only just started my day | 23:30 |
| === wallyworld_ changed the topic of #launchpad-dev to: https://dev.launchpad.net/ | On call reviewer: wallyworld* (jtv) | Critical bugs: 232 - 0:[######=_]:256 | ||
| nigelb | wallyworld_: I'm about to head to bed on a /very/ late night thanks to work. | 23:30 |
| wallyworld_ | nigelb: do you want to ping me later? | 23:31 |
| nigelb | wallyworld_: Yeah, that's why I was trying to figure out what's your usual EOD to plan that. | 23:31 |
| wallyworld_ | nigelb: ah, right. i'll be here for another 8-9 hours, plus i can be online tonight. there'll be a few hours in the even when i have soccer | 23:32 |
| wallyworld_ | s/even/evening | 23:33 |
| nigelb | wallyworld_: In that case, I think I can figure out something today. I'll keep my devel up-to-date | 23:33 |
| wallyworld_ | nigelb: ok. i'll wait to hear from you | 23:34 |
| wallyworld_ | aaarrghhh. did qastaging just die? | 23:35 |
| wgrant | wallyworld_: Looks fine to me. Maybe it just updated. | 23:39 |
| wgrant | Shouldn't have, though. | 23:40 |
| wallyworld_ | wgrant: it just came back now | 23:40 |
| wallyworld_ | wgrant: could you do me a favour to help me qa? could you subscribe someone (not you or me) to a branch you own and then change the owner to launchpad and let me know which branch? | 23:41 |
| wgrant | lifeless: Do you still only do Skype? | 23:41 |
| wgrant | wallyworld_: https://code.qastaging.launchpad.net/~launchpad/launchpad/db-devel-merge-fix | 23:43 |
| wallyworld_ | wgrant: awesome thanks | 23:43 |
| * wallyworld_ marks his bug as qa-ok | 23:44 | |
| wgrant | Thanks! | 23:44 |
| wallyworld_ | s/bug/branch | 23:44 |
| * wgrant goes to use canonicaladmin for a while, to acclimatise himself to crap software before using Skype. | 23:45 | |
| wallyworld_ | lol | 23:45 |
| wallyworld_ | skype isn't that bad. it has pretty good echo cancellation | 23:46 |
| wallyworld_ | seems to work better than mumble often times | 23:46 |
| wgrant | The echo cancellation is the only thing that is not crap. | 23:46 |
| wgrant | Well, and the NAT traversal. | 23:46 |
| wallyworld_ | they're pretty important features, no? | 23:46 |
| wgrant | Yes, but the software itself is crap. | 23:47 |
| wgrant | Crashy, slow, ugly. | 23:47 |
| lifeless | wgrant: its easiest in a bunch of ways, if you don't mind significant feedback I can do voip | 23:48 |
| wgrant | I have Skype not crashing now. | 23:48 |
| wgrant | So we can use it. | 23:48 |
| lifeless | \o/ | 23:48 |
| michaelh1 | Hi there. I'd like to import the GDB 7.3 release branch into Launchpad. They use CVS and have a GIT mirror. Who should I ask? (mwhudson is away) | 23:59 |
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