[01:43] <jasoncwarner_> RAOF: just saw you post on g+. Can I just say that I thought american politics was entertaining. AU politics is downright comical! Tony Abbot FTW (in enterainment value).
[01:44] <RAOF> Enjoy it while it lasts.  We don't *always* have fools for an opposition leader ;)
[01:47] <chowder> Has anyone here ever used the xen hypervisor? I want to run it on my laptop with Ubuntu 11.04 as the dom0. I've looked online for a how-to but to no avail. Any ideas?
[01:49] <TheMuso> I find myself not playing with GPlus much, probably because the web experience is not entirely accessible, and I'd feel better with a desktop client.
[01:50] <RAOF> It's got a nice android client, which will therefore also be pretty inaccessible :/
[01:50] <jasoncwarner_> TheMuso: they def need more apps like for iPhone. Android seems to work well, though probably not accessible.
[01:51] <TheMuso> Yeah, I want Apple to pull their finger out and approve the iPhone app. I don't expect the app for Linux from google to be accessible.
[01:51] <jasoncwarner_> I heard they don't hvae public API yet so that is why apps aren't coming yet
[01:51] <TheMuso> Thought as much.
[01:51] <jasoncwarner_> kenvandine: gwibber...coming down right now :)
[01:52] <RAOF> Google have an iPhone and WP7 app in the store process, though.
[01:53] <jasoncwarner_> RAOF: oh, nice..can't wait for those...can't wait to be done with twitter and facebook (sorry gwibber :( )
[01:53] <jasoncwarner_> kenvandine: looks like my icon issue with gwibber is fixed. I am still having the tiling issue, but I think I know what is going on and can explain.
[01:54] <TheMuso> jasoncwarner_: I actually really like twitter, and I don't use facebook.
[01:54] <jasoncwarner_> kenvandine: basically, if a complete tile cannot be shown at the bottom of the window, it displays a blank tile instead of a partial tile...
[01:54] <jasoncwarner_> kenvandine: we can talk when you are awake since, uh, you aren't now
[01:54]  * jasoncwarner_ always talks to himself
[01:55] <jasoncwarner_> TheMuso: I "like" twitter, but it annoys me in some ways as well. I hate facebook. hate.
[01:55] <TheMuso> jasoncwarner_: What do you not like about twitter?
[01:55] <jasoncwarner_> mostly has to do with technology (which I grant most people won't care about).
[01:56] <jasoncwarner_> I don't like the fact that if you follow the same people on two accoutns you might not see all their tweets.
[01:56] <TheMuso> Right.
[01:56] <jasoncwarner_> I also don't like the random unfollows (which is still a problem).
[01:57] <TheMuso> Well I only ever use twitter from a client if I can help it, and since I still have my mbp here with OS X, I am currently using an OS X client when at home.
[01:58] <TheMuso> And then there is tweatlist for my iphone.
[01:58] <TheMuso> So the website be screwed IMO.
[01:59] <jasoncwarner_> TheMuso: :)
[02:06] <jasoncwarner_> hey robert_ancell ... which greeter-theme do I set in lightdm.conf? do I set the one in [seat-0] (I see two in my config, both are commented out).
[02:07] <robert_ancell> jasoncwarner_, the one in seat-0
[02:07]  * RAOF will be interested to hear if you get anything but a black screen, too.
[02:07] <jasoncwarner_> robert_ancell: thanks...set and rebooting...be back in a bit.
[02:07] <jasoncwarner_> RAOF: I'll let you know in a few :)
[02:10] <jasoncwarner_> RAOF robert_ancell yeah, I got a black screen as well.
[02:11] <robert_ancell> jasoncwarner_, can you look in /var/log/lightdm
[02:11] <robert_ancell> the lightdm.log and the greeter log
[02:13] <jasoncwarner_> robert_ancell: anything I am looking for?
[02:14] <jasoncwarner_> btw...reverted change to .conf file and I still have black screen
[02:14] <robert_ancell> particularly the greeter log, did it print an error?
[02:14] <robert_ancell> can you put the logs in a pastebin?
[02:14] <jasoncwarner_> one sec
[02:16] <robert_ancell> i don't think it does
[02:45] <jasoncwarner_> RAOF: I no longer have black screen
[02:45] <jasoncwarner_> I have lightdm unity config
[02:45] <RAOF> Oooh, how?
[02:45] <jasoncwarner_> it looked like I didn't have unity-greeter installed
[02:45] <jasoncwarner_> so after I installed it and rebooted, things were there.
[03:10] <cyphermox> gah, I think I really hate evolution
[03:26] <nano__> how to use the theme of the Ubuntu netbook edition 10.04 en ubuntu 10.10 desktop? any idea?
[03:29] <nano__> somebody?
[04:21] <pitti> Good morning
[04:25] <jbicha> pitti: hi
[04:25] <TheMuso> Morning pitti.
[05:25] <cyphermox> hey pitti!
[05:26] <cyphermox> (omg, it's so late, didn't realize it was this bad)
[05:26] <pitti> hey cyphermox! you're up late
[05:26] <cyphermox> pitti: I was finishing up hacking on usb_modeswitch while waiting for various rebuilds of evolution
[05:27] <cyphermox> I really think I'm done now, and the output is almost exactly the same here with my device
[05:27] <pitti> nice!
[05:27] <pitti> brb, need to reboot again to debug /run breakage
[05:27] <cyphermox> pitti: ok
[05:35] <cyphermox> pitti: if you're still interested in doing code review, everything is there: https://code.launchpad.net/~mathieu-tl/+junk/usb-modeswitch
[05:36] <pitti> cyphermox: opened a tab for it, will do
[05:36] <pitti> thanks for this!
[05:36] <cyphermox> sure, thanks
[05:36] <cyphermox> no rush :)
[05:37] <cyphermox> right now I only know for certain it works with ONE device... mine ;)
[05:37] <cyphermox> I'll try my old Rogers stick again to see, and I might be able to find other testers with various types of devices
[05:37] <jbicha> pitti: could you take a look at this merge proposal: https://code.launchpad.net/~jbicha/ubuntu/oneiric/gdm/fix-gdm-path
[05:38] <pitti> jbicha: queueing
[05:38] <jbicha> cool, thanks
[05:52] <cyphermox> alright, I'm off to bed now, ttyl
[07:20] <chrisccoulson> ha, my daughter has learnt a new word - cake!
[07:20] <mvo> chrisccoulson: lol - I assume she already knows "WANT" too ;) ?
[07:21] <chrisccoulson> mvo - not yet, but i'm sure that will be next ;)
[07:22] <pitti> hey chrisccoulson
[07:23] <pitti> heh, cute!
[07:23] <chrisccoulson> hi pitti, how are you?
[07:23] <chrisccoulson> yeah, she talks quite a bit now ;)
[07:23] <pitti> I thought they have some equivalent of "want" from the day they get born :)
[07:23] <pitti> chrisccoulson: splendid, thanks!
[07:23] <pitti> now that my ecryptfs /home/martin actually works again :)
[07:23] <chrisccoulson> heh :)
[07:33] <mvo> pitti: do we have a policy for schema naming? for update-notifier I wonder if it should be com.canonical or com.ubuntu-update-notifer. I would prefer the later, but don't really mind much either way
[07:33] <pitti> mvo: no policy in that regard; I think com.ubuntu.update-notifier is fine
[07:34] <mvo> great, thanks
[07:38] <chrisccoulson> b'ah, i wish people would stop reporting crash reports against firefox without provide a backtrace or link to a crash ID
[07:38] <chrisccoulson> i think i need to create some bug reporting guidelines which states "your bug will most likely be ignored if you don't provide this information"
[07:58] <rodrigo_> morning
[08:02] <BigWhale> rodrigo_, morning :)
[08:06] <rodrigo_> hi BigWhale
[08:08] <BigWhale> rodrigo_, I think I found another bug in EDS. I've sent you mail about it.
[08:08] <rodrigo_> ok, looking
[08:30] <pitti> mvo: yay update-notifier port
[08:31] <mvo> pitti: yeah, mterry is my hero of the day :)
[08:39] <jbicha> pitti: thanks, that bug had been bugging me for awhile, finally figured out how Debian avoided it
[08:41] <jbicha> I also have this if someone would like to sponsor it: https://code.launchpad.net/~jbicha/ubuntu/oneiric/transmission/transmission-2.32
[08:47] <chrisccoulson> lol @ http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-14135523
[08:49] <BigWhale> chrisccoulson, yeah, this guy is my hero! ;)
[09:01] <rodrigo_> BigWhale, your message is empty, seems that's happening to some people with evo 3.1.3 :(
[09:02] <BigWhale> yeah
[09:02] <BigWhale> I noticed
[09:03] <chrisccoulson> it's a conspiracy!
[09:03] <chrisccoulson> evolution is sending empty mails to get people to switch to thunderbird
[09:03] <rodrigo_> yeah, chrisccoulson is patching evo to make it fail :)
[09:03] <chrisccoulson> lol
[09:04] <chrisccoulson> seriously though, wth has happened to evolution? i've never known it to be this broken before :/
[09:04] <BigWhale> rodrigo_, anyway... in short: http://pastebin.com/fquz3cxN this is the C source that works... and the equivalent in python that doesn't work... The assertion error goes away if the contacts list isn't empty and it seems that EDS will perform a search. However, nothing is returned. :'(
[09:07] <rodrigo_> BigWhale, yes, seems to be what I told you yesterday, the introspection comments for &contacts
[09:07] <rodrigo_> will try a fix in a bit
[09:07] <BigWhale> rodrigo_, you're the man! :)
[09:08] <BigWhale> I need this to make kenvandine happy :>
[09:08] <rodrigo_> :)
[09:08] <rodrigo_> but anyway, isn't gwibber being rewritten in vala?
[09:09] <rodrigo_> vala uses the same introspection stuff, so not that it will work better in vala without the fix, but why are you using python?
[09:10] <BigWhale> this is the backend that is still written in python
[09:12] <rodrigo_> ah, ok
[09:17] <BigWhale> yeah, gwibber is multilingual! :>
[09:30] <ricotz> pitti, hello, is it already known that cups has some trouble after the /run,/var/run transition?
[09:31] <pitti> ricotz: not known to me
[09:31] <ricotz> caused by appamor
[09:31] <ricotz> http://paste.debian.net/plain/122850
[09:36] <ricotz> perhaps the apparmor profile needs an update? or something is broken here :\
[09:37] <pitti> ricotz: ah, thanks; I'll get that fixed in bzr right now
[09:37] <ricotz> so you can confirm it?
[09:37] <jbicha> bug 810270
[09:37] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 810270 in apparmor "/run transition wreaking havoc on profiles" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/810270
[09:37] <ricotz> ah ok ;)
[09:38] <desrt> DBO: awake?
[10:32] <pitti> chrisccoulson: do you happen to have a minute to fix bug 810258? (missing Replaces:/Breaks:)
[10:32] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 810258 in yelp "package libyelp0 3.1.1-0ubuntu1 failed to install/upgrade: trying to overwrite /usr/lib/libyelp.so.0.0.0, which is also in package yelp 3.0.3-0ubuntu2" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/810258
[10:32] <pitti> chrisccoulson: I'm still busy with unbreaking the /run transition
[10:32] <chrisccoulson> pitti - yeah, sure
[10:32] <pitti> chrisccoulson: appreciated, thanks
[10:33] <pitti> chrisccoulson: we seem to be severely low on Europe-TZ developers today ..
[10:33] <pitti> no didrocks, no seb128, no rodrigo
[10:33] <desrt> pitti: hello!
[10:33] <pitti> bonjour desrt, ca va?
[10:33] <chrisccoulson> pitti - yeah, it seems that the french are slacking today ;)
[10:33] <desrt> uh.  good.
[10:33] <chrisccoulson> not sure about rodrigo though
[10:33] <desrt> :)
[10:33] <chrisccoulson> hi desrt
[10:33] <desrt> hey chris
[10:33] <pitti> chrisccoulson: no, busy with attacking the Bastille again
[10:33] <desrt> didrocks, at least (and seb too maybe?) are at RMLL
[10:33] <desrt> and yes.  bastille day.
[10:34] <desrt> rodrigo is just a lazy mexican
[10:34]  * desrt wonders if the french enjoy doing the 'make it a 5-day weekend' trick
[10:39] <chrisccoulson> hmmm, we got 2 of these so far since the gconf update yesterday: bug 810371
[10:39] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 810371 in gconf "gsettings-data-convert crashed with SIGSEGV in gconf_client_get_default()" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/810371
[10:39] <chrisccoulson> has anyone else recreated that? i don't see it here
[10:39] <pitti> chrisccoulson: fallout from dbusification?
[10:40] <chrisccoulson> pitti - yeah, i guess so
[10:40] <pitti> no, just evolution calendar is broken beyond repair right now :(
[10:40] <ricotz> regarding cups: somehow cups-pk-helper should be pulled in to have the support in g-c-c
[10:40] <pitti> but not necessarily related to dbus
[10:40] <pitti> ricotz: bug 808829
[10:40] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 808829 in cups-pk-helper "[MIR] cups-pk-helper" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/808829
[10:41] <pitti> but it's not clear to me yet whether we actually need it
[10:41] <ricotz> thanks
[10:41] <chrisccoulson> pitti - yeah, the calendar was broken for me at the rally :(
[10:41] <ricotz> pitti, it improves the adminstration
[10:42] <pitti> chrisccoulson: it still worked here a few days ago
[10:42]  * ricotz should search for the bugs first and then complain :\
[10:43] <pitti> no worries :)
[10:51] <chrisccoulson> oh, my, the gnome-settings-daemon "does your display look ok" confirmation dialog is seriously broken with the compiz dialog handler plugin enabled
[10:51] <chrisccoulson> i just docked my laptop, reconfigured my screen, and the dialog size grew continuously until my laptop froze
[11:08] <rodrigo_> hmm, seems gnome-shell and gnome-panel need a rebuild with the new evo
[11:09] <pitti> chrisccoulson: bug 808419
[11:09] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 808419 in gnome-control-center "Font continually increasing in the dialog box after waiting to change display" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/808419
[11:10] <chrisccoulson> pitti - oh, i'm wondering whether to reassign that. the dialog comes from gnome-settings-daemon anyway, and it works fine when you turn off the dialog handler plugin in compiz
[11:10] <pitti> chrisccoulson: ah, should be reassigned then indeed
[11:17] <chrisccoulson> oh, i got the issue as well without that plugin enabled :/
[11:21] <rodrigo_> pitti, is gnome-themes-standard on the CD?
[11:21] <pitti> rodrigo_: yes, still, but we'll remove it (only for gtk2)
[11:53] <zyga> is there a way to make dash index external drives?
[12:01] <nerd_bloke> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/292203 has been marked as invalid against ppp, which project should it be assigned to for user creation with a usergroup membership?
[12:01] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 292203 in ppp "/usr/bin/pppd has group owner dip, not dialout" [Undecided,Invalid]
[12:01] <rodrigo_> had a kernel panic with kernel 3.0
[12:01]  * rodrigo_ investigates
[12:08] <pedro_> hello folks
[12:08] <rodrigo_> hi pedro_
[12:09] <pedro_> hola rodrigo_, remember to join #ubuntu-bugs for the bug day
[12:09] <rodrigo_> pedro_, right, that's what I was going to ask, I didn't know which irc channel
[12:09]  * rodrigo_ joing
[12:10] <pedro_> reboot brb
[12:40] <smspillaz> desrt: is it possible to make a key in a schema read only in gsettings?
[12:46] <smspillaz> hmm, afaict there is a g_settings_is_writable ....
[12:47] <cyphermox> good morning!
[12:51] <pedro_> morning cyphermox
[12:51] <cyphermox> hey pedro_
[12:57] <cyphermox> pedro_: are all the emails you send through evo blank? I'm wondering if they still are if you disable the PGP signing?
[12:58] <pedro_> cyphermox, yup, with or without signing the emails are blank , it doesn't make any diff
[12:58] <cyphermox> ah
[12:59] <smspillaz> desrt: hmm, actually, nevermind, it seems like libcompizconfig just expects the backend to fail to do anything at all with read only settings
[12:59] <smspillaz> actually, the name "read only" in the metadata is a little misleading
[12:59] <smspillaz> its more referring to the fact that plugins can store data in option values and these shouldn't be exposed to the user
[12:59] <smspillaz> though that's a really stupid way of doing it
[13:02] <DBO> desrt, i am now
[13:23] <pitti> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/20110714.1/
[13:24] <pitti> after ten days, another daily build!
[13:24] <pitti> but oh my, what did we do? it's 15 MB bigger than alpha-2, i. e. 30 MB oversized
[13:26] <chrisccoulson> pitti - it's worse than that isn't it? the alpha 2 i386 ISO was 714MB (and 709MB on amd64)
[13:26] <chrisccoulson> so, 21MB larger :/
[13:26] <pitti> yes, 20 MB bigger now
[13:26] <chrisccoulson> wasn't me this time ;)
[13:27] <pitti> and we even dropped some old mono libs since then
[13:30] <pitti> chrisccoulson: well..
[13:30] <pitti> firefox (Δ 3.3 MB - 5.0+build1+nobinonly-0ubuntu2: 16.9 MB   6.0~b1+build1+nobinonly-0ubuntu1: 20.2 MB)
[13:30] <pitti> partly :)
[13:30] <pitti> 3.3 MB growth is far from trivial :/
[13:31] <chrisccoulson> ugh
[13:31] <pitti> all packages together grew by 4.8 MB since alpha-2
[13:32] <pitti> oh, and we added sunpinyin, but something still keeps the old pinyin on the CDs
[13:32]  * pitti hunts down and shoots into the head
[13:33] <smspillaz> pitti: don't worry, we can start hacking out compiz plugins
[13:33] <smspillaz> that will be fun
[13:33] <chrisccoulson> pitti - http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/rev/8e06280639df :(
[13:33] <smspillaz> 1kb each :)
[13:33] <chrisccoulson> -Os -> -O3
[13:33] <pitti> oh
[13:41] <chrisccoulson> pitti - ok, i just mentioned it in #developers on irc.mozilla.org, and it's meant to only be -O3 for PGO builds
[13:41] <chrisccoulson> the fact that it isn't is a bug
[13:41] <chrisccoulson> so i will just switch it back for the next uplaod
[13:41] <pitti> chrisccoulson: ah, thanks
[13:42] <pitti> chrisccoulson: speakign of next upload, as firefox-6.0 already broke the defaults packages, any chance that it could move to /usr/lib/firefox/ ?
[13:43] <chrisccoulson> pitti - i'll try and look at that before i upload the next beta build (hopefully tomorrow)
[13:43] <chrisccoulson> and i'll switch that one back to -Os as well
[13:43] <chrisccoulson> pitti - is any other growth down to me too?
[13:43] <chrisccoulson> (other than thunderbird) ;)
[13:44] <dpm> pitti, do you know if a new ubuntu-docs upload is generally included in the next langpack PPA? Or does it have to be a full language pack to include documentation?
[13:47] <pitti> chrisccoulson: thanks!
[13:47] <dobey> pitti: hi
[13:47] <pitti> chrisccoulson: no, I don't think so; still figuring out what makes ibus-pinyin appear in the default install
[13:48] <pitti> dpm: as long as it gets properly imported, it should be
[13:48] <pitti> hey dobey
[13:48] <dobey> pitti: i don't have upload perms for lazr.restfulclient, which is why i made a merge proposal; otherwise i would have just uploaded it to -proposed directly and waited for approval there :)
[13:50] <pitti> dobey: sure, I can sponsor it; toss me the URL?
[13:50] <dpm> pitti, I'm not sure I understand the answer. You mean delta language packs should also be able to include documentation?
[13:50] <dobey> pitti: https://code.launchpad.net/~dobey/ubuntu/lucid/lazr.restfulclient/fix-803475/+merge/66362
[13:50] <pitti> dpm: oh, I see what you mean; no, only full -base packs
[13:51] <dpm> pitti, ok, cool, thanks for confirming. We might need to kick off a full natty langpack then, since it seems that for some (all?) languages the documentation is in English
[13:54] <pitti> dobey: ah, that one; so you really want to do that SRU?
[13:54] <pitti> dobey: even now it already took more work to prepare it than it's worth it IMHO, but *shrug*
[13:55] <pitti> if this was a binary package, I'd reject it, but as this is pure python, there's little regression potential
[13:56] <pitti> dobey: uploaded
[13:56] <dobey> eh, it's a bug, and it affects me, so yes i think it should be fixed. python-simplejson has never been included in python core, so the | doesn't make any sense at all :)
[13:56] <dobey> thanks
[14:02] <mvo> is it just me or is python -c 'from gi.repository import GLib; print GLib.main_context_default()' not working? and if its not just me, what is the way to get the main context?
[14:05] <chrisccoulson> i hate binary firefox extensions
[14:05] <chrisccoulson> they're a pain with every single update
[14:05] <dobey> mvo: don't you have to create a main loop first?
[14:05] <pitti> mvo: you want gobject.main_context_default()
[14:05] <pitti> mvo: the MainLoop is there, too; don't ask me why, though
[14:07] <mvo> pitti: aha, thanks! that works now: python -c 'from gi.repository import GObject; print GObject.main_context_default()' - but why is it not in GLib? and instead in gobject?
[14:08] <pitti> ah, you did ask me after all :)
[14:08] <mvo> dobey: not yet, I just want the context for now, I was confused why its not exported, but I looked at the wrong spot
[14:08] <pitti> mvo: I really don't know; perhaps a circular dependency, or classes should be in gobject, no clue :/
[14:09] <dobey> pitti: but it's not a class :)
[14:09] <pitti> MainLoop is?
[14:09] <mvo> pitti: fortunately I have the pitti oracle :)
[14:09] <dobey> it's no more a class than GHashTable is or GList
[14:10] <dobey> in terms of what a class is in GObject anyway
[14:10] <pitti> so let's discard that theory
[14:10] <mvo> but its really a bit cumersome to search around the gir xml for stuff like this
[14:10] <pitti> mvo: another theory: it's not introspectable?
[14:10] <dobey> no idea why it would be in gobject
[14:10] <dobey> vs glib
[14:10] <dobey> pitti: nothing in glib is introspectable, because they're not gobjects :)
[14:11] <pitti> hm?
[14:11] <pitti> dobey: GI works for non-gobject, too (despite its name)
[14:11] <pitti> mvo: anyway, /usr/share/gir-1.0/GLib-2.0.gir e. g. has g_main_loop_get_context() as non-introspectable
[14:11] <pitti> mvo: so "can't be made introspectable yet" is my best guess
[14:12] <dobey> pitti: yes, but it's not quite the same, for non-gobjects you have to define a bunch of stuff in a comment in the code, iirc
[14:12] <mvo> dobey: interessting, a *lot* in GLib-2.0.gir is marked as introspectable="0"
[14:12] <dobey> mvo: right :)
[14:13] <dobey> it's g*object*-introspection, not glib-introspection ;)
[14:13] <mvo> pitti: so its a override in gobject? that explains why I did not find it
[14:13] <mvo> dobey: heh :)
[14:13] <dobey> so there is some weirdness abound
[14:13] <pitti> mvo: no, not an override; it's a static binding
[14:13] <mvo> pitti: so the way to find it is to grep through the python-gobject source? or is there a better way?
[14:14] <pitti> mvo: maybe "if it's not in GLib, but should be, then it's in gobject"?
[14:14] <pitti> help(gobject) also has a list
[14:15] <pitti> I guess at some low level GI reaches a point where it needs gobject/glib itself
[14:15] <smspillaz> desrt: around?
[14:15] <smspillaz> desrt: I'm getting a rather cryptic error message from gsettings
[14:16] <mvo> pitti: ok, thanks. I will try help(gobject) next time :)
[14:16] <smspillaz> desrt: GLib-GIO-ERROR **: settings object created with schema 'org.freedesktop.compiz.animation' and path '/apps/compiz-1/plugins/animation/screen0/options', but path '/apps/compiz-1/plugins/animation/screen0/options/' is specified by schema
[14:16] <smspillaz> it's a relocatable key
[14:16] <smspillaz> and according to dconf-editor, the schema for that key is org.freedesktop.compiz.animation
[14:16] <pitti> mvo: but there sure shuold be a way to "fake" it, i. e. have some overrides for GLib which redirect stuff to gobject
[14:17] <dobey> pitti, mvo: i'm guessing the dependencies for gobject-introspection that are in glib, might all end up in the GObject gir, yeah
[14:17] <dobey> but is weird
[14:21] <mvo> I guess my mental mapping needs to be "glib.(.*)" -> "GObject.\1" as it appears most stuff is really moved to there
[14:26]  * pedro_ -> doc appointment bb in ~1 hour
[14:37] <smspillaz> hm, lovely, it seems like you need a path
[14:37] <smspillaz> err
[14:38] <smspillaz> a trailing / in the path
[14:59] <mvo> pitti: two more question (no rush). glib.io_add_watch() and glib.threads_init() are the last missing ones afaict for my porting of s-c to GLib. any hints?
[15:03] <mvo> pitti: heh, silly me, io_add_watch is there
[15:04] <mvo> and threads_init too, all in GObject of course
[15:06] <pitti> re
[15:06] <pitti> mvo: ah, sorted out?
[15:07] <mvo> pitti: yeah, glib -> GObject, that is really the magic :)
[15:07] <mvo> looking good so far, soon at least the gobject/glib stuff in s-c should be finished
[15:07] <mvo> and ready for the brave new gi world
[15:07] <pitti> mvo: oh, GObject works? that's a surprise, I had thought gobject
[15:08] <pitti> if introspection doesn't work in GLib, it shouldn't work in GObject either
[15:10] <mvo> pitti: interessting, at leat for threads_init I get: python -c 'from gi.repository import GLib, GObject; print GObject.threads_init ; print GLib.threads_init'
[15:10] <mvo> the first works, the second does not
[15:10] <pitti> mvo: ah, I guess there's some cleverness to pretend that GObject is a GI module, while it's not :)
[15:11] <pitti> mvo: i. e. it might just silently be "gobject"
[15:15] <didrocks> hey :)
[15:15] <kenvandine> didrocks!
[15:16] <didrocks> hey kenvandine!
[15:57] <mvo> pitti: yeah, I would not be suprised, still, looks more consistent this way
[16:18] <pitti> hey kenvandine
[16:18] <pitti> hey didrocks, how are you?
[16:18] <pitti> didrocks: shouldn't you be marching towards the Bastille today?
[16:18] <pitti> didrocks: how was LLVM?
[16:18] <pitti> sorry, RMLL
[16:18] <didrocks> pitti: hey! I'm fine thanks, quite tired after 6 hours of train, but fine :)
[16:18] <didrocks> pitti: RMLL were good, lot of conferences, and long time at the booth
[16:19] <didrocks> pitti: so, I prefered to work on the train (I'm at home now), finishing catching up with emails and swapping today with tomorrow
[16:19] <pitti> ah, nice
[16:19] <pitti> I noticed a bunch of replies from you indeed :)
[16:20] <didrocks> yeah, once connected back :-)
[16:22] <pitti> mvo: did you see Spammap's comment in bug 807745?
[16:24] <pitti> mvo: nevermind, saw the discussion on #devel
[16:27] <bjf> after upating yesterday, light-dm won't let me log in any longer, an update today has not helped. are there logs somewhere I can look at that will give me some clue what it's doing
[16:28] <pitti> bjf: what happens exactly?
[16:28] <ogra_> there is /var/log/lightdm
[16:28] <bjf> problem: "clicking on my name in light-dm causes it to go away, I don't get the 'password' prompt"
[16:28] <bjf> pitti, *
[16:28] <pitti> bjf: do you see the greeter? does it say wrong password? does it attempt to start the session?
[16:28] <pitti> ah, ok, different bug then
[16:29] <pitti> bjf: does the keyboard selection work, to avoid the greeter crash?
[16:29] <bjf> pitti, not sure
[16:30] <pitti> if you get an apport crash, reporting that would be appreciated; I'm not aware of major lightdm crashes right now
[16:30] <bjf> pitti, the log says "pam_close_session -> System error"  "pam_setcred(PAM_DELETE_CRED) -> System error"
[16:30] <bjf> pitti, i'll pastebin the entire log (it's short)
[16:31] <pitti> bjf: most troubles people have these days are due to the /run migration
[16:31] <pitti> bjf: do you have the absolutely latest packages now? udev 172-0ubuntu3, mountall 2.30, initscripts 2.88dsf-13.10ubuntu4?
[16:31] <pitti> that fixes a bunch of them
[16:31] <pitti> bjf: plus, checking dmesg for apparmor violations can't hurt
[16:32] <pitti> (all apparmor profiles with /var/run are also broken and being fixed)
[16:38] <bjf> pitti, packages are the versions you gave, log is pastebin: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/644231/, last few dmesg lines: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/644233/  there is a problem with apparmor and cups
[16:38] <pitti> bjf: the apparmor/cups problem is fixed in cups 1.4.7-1
[16:38] <pitti> no idea about the pam error :/
[16:39] <pitti> I take it VT1 login works?
[16:39] <pitti> would be interesting to see whether gdm works better; might at least be a workaround
[16:39] <bjf> pitti, yes vt1 working just fine
[16:39] <mvo> alex3f: hi, before I leave for dinner, I landed some GI changes in trunk, you may need to reolve some conflicts in your backends-refactor branch, but should be really straightforward (only a bit cumbersome)
[16:40] <alex3f> mvo: seen them, will do that, thanks for the heads up
[16:40] <alex3f> :-)
[16:40] <mvo> alex3f: thanks !
[16:40] <mvo> alex3f: and we should sit together tomorrow so that I can merge your stuff :)
[16:41] <alex3f> I'm up for it
[16:41] <alex3f> I have a nasty bug
[16:41] <alex3f> that's keeping me busy
[16:41] <mvo> oh, ok
[16:41] <alex3f> the cache doesn't refresh
[16:41] <alex3f> after an installation is done
[16:41] <alex3f> (in PK branch)
[16:41] <alex3f> but regardless that, backend-refactor is ready for merging
[16:41] <mvo> ok, we can have a look at this together tomorrow
[16:41] <mvo> great
[16:41] <alex3f> thank you
[16:42] <mvo> thank YOU :)
[16:42]  * mvo waves and vanishes for dinner
[16:42]  * alex3f waves back
[16:45] <bjf> pitti, after cups update and reboot I see: lightdm-example[1220]: segfault at 0 ip 00007ffe5d36617a sp 00007fff45369e58 error 4 in libc-2.13.so[7ffe5d233000+19b000]
[16:45] <bjf> pitti, that's dmesg output
[16:46] <bjf> pitti, installing gdm now
[16:49] <bjf> pitti, gdm works just fine, though unity very slow coming up
[16:51] <Sarvatt> bjf: you could update the cups package? i've been stuck on "Installing new version of config file /etc/apparmor.d/usr.sbin.cupsd"
[16:52] <bjf> Sarvatt, again? i just updated to 1.4.7-1
[16:53] <bjf> Sarvatt, now that i'm logged in and have unity up, i see metacity and gsettings-data segfaults in dmesg
[17:00] <micahg> bjf: that lightdm bug is bug 809890
[17:00] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 809890 in lightdm "lightdm-example-gtk-greeter crashed with SIGSEGV in __strcmp_ssse3()" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/809890
[17:03] <bjf> micahg, thanks
[17:16] <pitti> good night everyone!
[17:16] <desrt> pitti: good evening
[17:17] <chrisccoulson> good night pitti
[17:19] <didrocks> ok, enough catchup on email, this will make monday less scary (as I'm swapping tomorrow). Time to take the Bastille, see you on Monday!
[17:19] <didrocks> and good night pitti ;)
[17:21] <rodrigo_> ok, eod for me also, later all
[17:43] <lamalex> Sarvatt, do you know the last working X version with nvidia? alpha 2 was working, right?
[17:47] <Sarvatt> lamalex: nvidia didn't break wrt X at all this cycle, just some multiarch "fun" for a bit there that was fixed shortly after alpha 2 where mesa updates were moving the alternative making it have to be deactivated and reactivated again to work every mesa update
[17:48] <lamalex> oh really?? hm so I DONT need to reinstall to fix my drivers?
[17:48] <lamalex> ha ok
[17:48] <lamalex> so I just need to do ... what?
[17:48] <Sarvatt> i have no clue how they're broken on your system, whats wrong?
[17:49] <lamalex> it's not loading the nvidia drivers
[17:49] <lamalex> Failed to load module "nvidia" (module-specific error, 0)
[17:49] <lamalex> then it loads nouveau instead
[17:50] <Sarvatt> means the kernel module didn't load, you sure its built?
[17:50] <lamalex> how do i find out
[17:50] <Sarvatt> are you using generic-pae with only generic headers installed for instance?
[17:50] <lamalex> i don't think so
[17:51] <lamalex> uname -a doesn't say anything about pae
[17:51] <lamalex> and linux-headers-generic are installed
[17:52] <lamalex> i guess ill try reinstalling nvidia-current/
[17:59] <jbicha> my wife's laptop won't load the nvidia drivers anymore either
[18:23] <cyphermox> pedro_:
[18:23] <cyphermox> evo still doesn't seem to display emails with everything properly; but sends correctly for me
[18:24] <cyphermox> pedro_: care to try the packages in https://launchpad.net/~mathieu-tl/+archive/evolution-staging; they're basically evo and EDS from git HEAD
[18:24] <cyphermox> so if this doesn't work, then it's broken in git atm
[18:25] <pedro_> cyphermox, ok will give it a try
[18:27] <cyphermox> pedro_: thanks.
[18:38] <mterry> chrisccoulson, thanks for fixing the libyelp0 breaks thing.  I totally forgot to add that logic
[18:46] <mterry> How can I easily answer the question, "what packages in main install a file in /usr/share/xsessions?" (pitti?)
[18:46] <cyphermox> mterry: apt-file?
[18:46] <mterry> ah... good one.  I had forgotten about that guy
[18:46] <pedro_> cyphermox, bad news...
[18:46] <cyphermox> pedro_: dah. :/
[18:46] <pedro_> cyphermox, just kidding , it works fine now! thanks :-))
[18:47] <cyphermox> you still sending empty emails?
[18:47] <cyphermox> oh yay!
[18:47] <pedro_> no more empty emails wooo
[18:47] <cyphermox> signed emails still appear empty but at least it's a little better now
[18:48] <pedro_> well at least there's a workaround for that ;-)
[18:48] <cyphermox> for instance, see the ARM meeting reminder, it renders as empty (but the mbox file is good)
[18:48] <cyphermox> there is?
[18:48] <pedro_> aah no , sorry i thought for emails you send , like that you can disable the sign
[18:49] <cyphermox> ah ok
[18:49] <cyphermox> but now if you send signed emails it works?
[18:49] <cyphermox> (wfm anyway)
[18:49] <pedro_> let me check, tried without signing
[18:51] <pedro_> cyphermox, yeah that works fine as well
[18:51] <cyphermox> ok :)
[18:51] <pedro_> cyphermox, thanks again :-)
[18:51] <cyphermox> "it works, ship it! ship it!!!" :)
[18:51] <pedro_> lol
[18:52] <cyphermox> I however, am going to upload this now
[19:22] <dobey> bcurtiswx
[19:22] <dobey> doh
[19:25] <Daviey> Is tbird leaking file descriptors on large IMAP's?
[19:52] <jibel> Daviey, define 'large IMAP' ?
[20:02] <Daviey> jibel: well, it's been running pretty crap for the last week. I have ~10GB imap folders, and wondered if that was related.
[23:13] <robert_ancell> RAOF, is there a way to get X to log any useful information?  e.g. why it's not authenticating a client?
[23:26] <chrisccoulson> is there no retracer again?