[20:09]  * jledbetter2 waves.
[20:09] <Tubu> hayo!
[20:11] <jledbetter2> Did I miss the meeting?
[20:11]  * Tubu wondering if 20:00 UTC is now or 2 hour before... or later... :o%
[20:12] <pleia2> oh no
[20:12] <pleia2> sorry everyone
[20:13] <pleia2> work has been killer this week, phew, ok, let's start the meeting now :)
[20:13] <pleia2> #startmeeting
[20:13] <Mootbot-UK> Meeting started at 20:13. The chair is pleia2.
[20:13] <Mootbot-UK> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [PROGRESS REPORT], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[20:13] <pleia2> so, who all is here for our meeting? :)
[20:13] <nigelb> o/
[20:14] <nigelb> (why am I always attending the weirdest times for my TZ)
[20:14] <Tubu> me... as kind of witness
[20:14] <pleia2> [LINK] wiki.ubuntu-women.org/Meetings/Agenda
[20:14] <Mootbot-UK> LINK received:  wiki.ubuntu-women.org/Meetings/Agenda
[20:14] <Pendulum> o/
[20:14] <jledbetter2> o/
[20:15] <Tubu> o/
[20:15] <pleia2> alright, let's dive right in then
[20:15] <pleia2> [TOPIC] Oneiric Blueprint progress
[20:15] <Mootbot-UK> New Topic:  Oneiric Blueprint progress
[20:15] <pleia2> [LINK] https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu-women.org/+spec/community-o-ubuntu-women-project-goals
[20:15] <Mootbot-UK> LINK received:  https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu-women.org/+spec/community-o-ubuntu-women-project-goals
[20:15] <pleia2> nigelb, hypatia, any updates on your mentoring tasks?
[20:16] <nigelb> pleia2: not yet, thanks for the refresh yesterday night
[20:16] <nigelb> I'll try to get to them this weekend
[20:16] <pleia2> sure thing :)
[20:16] <pleia2> thanks
[20:17] <pleia2> the only other thing on the blueprint which isn't covered elsewhere is the website stuff
[20:17] <pleia2> Tubu and nigelb have done really amazing work these past few weeks!
[20:17] <nigelb> Tubu has fixed some of the ones I couldn't do :)
[20:17] <pleia2> almost all our bugs are fix committed now: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-women.org
[20:17] <jledbetter2> Awesome :)
[20:17] <nigelb> Yay
[20:18]  * Tubu blushing
[20:18] <pleia2> :)
[20:18] <pleia2> I'm going to cycle through the final ones and hopefully get them all done by the end of the month so we can change the theme over for real
[20:19] <pleia2> the live wiki.ubuntu-women.org site also now has the new ubuntu women logo for the favicon (it used to have the old branding regular ubuntu logo)
[20:20] <pleia2> any questions or comments about the site?
[20:20] <pleia2> you can check out the demo with all the changes applied here: http://uw.princessleia.com/MyWiki/
[20:20] <pleia2> if you want to play around with it :)
[20:22] <Cheri703> ah, sorry!
[20:22] <pleia2> ok, let's move on then
[20:22] <Cheri703> I knew the meeting was happening but got distracted >.< sorry folks
[20:22] <jledbetter2> :)
[20:22] <pleia2> yay, Cheri703's agenda item is next!
[20:22] <pleia2> [TOPIC] Career Day
[20:22] <Mootbot-UK> New Topic:  Career Day
[20:22] <pleia2> Cheri703: care to introduce your thoughts on this?
[20:22] <Cheri703> sure
[20:23] <Cheri703> my initial thought was: we have a TON of people as part of the project who work in IT related jobs/fields. However, how many of us know what those jobs actually entail?
[20:23] <Cheri703> (probably more than I'd think, since I'm one of those who don't actually know)
[20:24] <Cheri703> I thought that having a day/week of classes (like one per day or something) or even a series of blog posts about "I'm a U-W member and this is a day in the life at my job" or something
[20:24] <Cheri703> would be awesome :)
[20:24] <nigelb> I like the idea
[20:24] <pleia2> +1
[20:24] <Tubu> ye i like it too
[20:25] <nigelb> blogging + wikifying would be a good idea.
[20:25] <Pendulum> +1
[20:25] <Cheri703> The logistics would have to get resolved, but I think we have a large variety of people/jobs that could be represnted
[20:25] <jledbetter2> maybe extend that to day in the life at my open source project too? some do not tech during the day but do tech at "night"
[20:25] <pleia2> jledbetter2: yeah
[20:25] <Cheri703> yeah, I would like it to be a future resource for people
[20:25] <Cheri703> absolutely jledbetter2
[20:25] <pleia2> I like the idea of having it in IRC since that allows us to ask questions of the person live, then following up in blogs, wiki, etc
[20:25] <Cheri703> I know as I was getting started in ubuntu and moving more toward technical interests, it'd have been awesome to have a resource like that
[20:25] <jledbetter2> definitely see this as a way to help mentor too. "I see you do web stuff. I wanna do web stuff. What should I study?" etc
[20:25] <nigelb> So, bloggers generally do stuff like Saturday specials
[20:25] <pleia2> so like I'd do an IRC session, then blog about it later
[20:25] <nigelb> I wonder if we can do something like that
[20:25] <Cheri703> good call pleia2
[20:26] <Cheri703> jledbetter2: +1
[20:26] <nigelb> jledbetter2: +1 to that
[20:26] <nigelb> It helps not be overwhelmed
[20:26] <jledbetter2> True. And blogging gets out some good PR too.
[20:26] <Cheri703> do we have a uw blog?
[20:26] <Cheri703> or uw-project blog?
[20:26] <jledbetter2> Planet I think
[20:26] <Cheri703> might be a good inaugural project for it
[20:27] <Cheri703> just a thought
[20:27] <Cheri703> or "for one" instead of "for it"
[20:27] <pleia2> yeah, we just have a planet
[20:27] <pleia2> canonical is starting to do wordpress hosting, so we can ask about getting one set up
[20:27] <jledbetter2> post there and then repost on our own blog?
[20:27] <pleia2> my concern all along has been maintaining it, but it turns out a lot of stuff I post to the list would be great on the blog, and it's not too much more effort to cross post
[20:28] <pleia2> so I think we can handle a blog :)
[20:29] <Cheri703> So that was basically it for the career day idea, I just think having it as a future resource needs to be a major point in how it is arranged
[20:29] <Tubu> it would be great if it was with audio files... like radio intervieuws were you can found also link to the appli the one is using
[20:29] <Cheri703> day/week
[20:29] <Cheri703> Tubu: that makes it harder to translate (if it was necessary), and I think text is likely to be easiest for everyone
[20:29] <pleia2> interviews may be trickier because not everyone has the equipment for that
[20:30] <Tubu> ach, ye... indeed...
[20:30] <pleia2> good idea to consider though if we can make it happen
[20:30] <pleia2> (maybe as a separate project?)
[20:30] <Tubu> ye, maybe...
[20:31] <Cheri703> perhaps we could put a page on the wiki for people to sign up if they'd be open to doing one (class/post/explanation)
[20:31] <pleia2> that sounds like a good place to start
[20:32] <Cheri703> and then we can gauge interest, perhaps even have a "if anyone is a ____ can we try to have one?"
[20:32] <pleia2> Cheri703: do you want to take care of creating that page, and we'll go from there?
[20:32]  * Cheri703 is not the best with the wikis
[20:32] <Tubu> the thing is to get it "unified"... like 10 question everyone answer...
[20:32] <Cheri703> Tubu: I dont think that
[20:33] <Cheri703> d be as big a deal
[20:33] <Cheri703> I know I've had jobs that if I had to fit it into 10 generic questions, it'd sound super simple and basic, but that wouldn't cover ALL of the stuff that I do
[20:33] <Tubu> we can make a template page that the inlogged one is filling with own feelings and acts of the "typical day" or nite
[20:33] <pleia2> maybe just some basic questions to set expectations for instructors
[20:33] <pleia2> er, presenters
[20:33] <pleia2> then they can take it from there
[20:34] <nigelb> pleia2: heh, too much classroom? :)
[20:34] <pleia2> nigelb: yes :)
[20:34] <Cheri703> yeah, I think having some guidelines of "make sure to cover these points" and then let them go from there
[20:34] <pleia2> Cheri703: I'll help with wiki stuff :) if you want to just toss some ideas together for a signup page that'd be good, including guidelines
[20:34] <Cheri703> ok, cool
[20:34] <Tubu> ye, indeed better to stay simple...
[20:34]  * Cheri703 adds it to the list
[20:34] <pleia2> [ACTION] Cheri703 to draft up page for Career Day
[20:34] <Mootbot-UK> ACTION received:  Cheri703 to draft up page for Career Day
[20:35] <pleia2> ok, we should talk about this more once we have the ideas on the wiki, shall we move on to our next item?
[20:35] <jledbetter2> +1
[20:35] <Tubu> +1
[20:36] <pleia2> [TOPIC] Adding to BestPractices
[20:36] <Mootbot-UK> New Topic:  Adding to BestPractices
[20:36] <pleia2> [LINK] http://wiki.ubuntu-women.org/BestPractices
[20:36] <Mootbot-UK> LINK received:  http://wiki.ubuntu-women.org/BestPractices
[20:36] <pleia2> so one of the ideas we came up with at the ubuntu developer summit (UDS) was to collect best practices from teams who have been successful at getting more women involved
[20:37] <pleia2> the basics I put up on the BestPractices were from an article I wrote a couple years back based on stuff in pennsylvania
[20:37] <pleia2> it would be nice to contact some locos that do well with this, italy and vancouver come to mind
[20:37] <pleia2> or anyone here can add their own stuff :)
[20:37] <jledbetter2> Florida maybe too?
[20:38] <pleia2> oh yeah, they're great at making everyone feel included
[20:38] <jledbetter2> Completely. All genders and tech levels and ages.
[20:38] <nigelb> ok, vancouver is already there
[20:38] <nigelb> are we thinking of teams outside of Ubuntu?
[20:39] <nigelb> I remember hypatia talking about how dreamwidth doing some good stuff with participation. I don't have numbers/proof though
[20:39] <pleia2> could be, but we want to focus on tips that can be applicable to ubuntu teams
[20:39] <jledbetter2> like gnome?
[20:39] <nigelb> ^
[20:39] <pleia2> so, "bring more pink thread" to get more women to come to a knitting circle need not apply
[20:39] <pleia2> ;)
[20:40] <nigelb> heh
[20:40] <nigelb> jledbetter2: Like p2pu :)
[20:40] <nigelb> Lead dev + jessy + you that I know of
[20:40] <jledbetter2> We have more now :)
[20:41] <jledbetter2> pleia2: How can we help with the best practices? Just add to the page or?
[20:41] <pleia2> jledbetter2: yeah, I'd say just go ahead and edit it
[20:41] <pleia2> and if some people can reach out to those teams to ask them what they did it'd be great
[20:41] <pleia2> my plate is pretty full right now
[20:42] <jledbetter2> MichelleQ: I'm reaching out to you. Hello!
[20:42] <jledbetter2> pleia2: Understandable :)
[20:42]  * nigelb hugs pleia2 
[20:43] <pleia2> mostly this agenda item was to introduce the page so people could start working on it, we can cycle back to organzing more specific reaching out to make sure we reach everyone later
[20:45] <pleia2> sounds like we did that :) ok, moving on!
[20:45] <pleia2> [TOPIC] Plans for our Social Media outlets (facebook, identica, twitter)
[20:45] <Mootbot-UK> New Topic:  Plans for our Social Media outlets (facebook, identica, twitter)
[20:45] <jledbetter2> g+? ;)
[20:45] <pleia2> so this was discussed on list some, and rww wrote a great post about facebook groups vs pages: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-women/2011-June/003289.html
[20:45] <nigelb> g+ doesn't seem to have groups/pages stuff yet.
[20:45] <pleia2> hehe
[20:46] <jledbetter2> I have a circle and add to it oodles. :)
[20:46] <pleia2> I think we pretty much decided based on rww's email and comments from others that we should move to a Page
[20:46] <jledbetter2> Yes pages > groups.
[20:46] <pleia2> any objections?
[20:47] <pleia2> [ACTION] pleia2 to create Facebook Page and work with Carla to retire Group
[20:47] <Mootbot-UK> ACTION received:  pleia2 to create Facebook Page and work with Carla to retire Group
[20:47] <pleia2> ok, who else wants to be an admin on the page?
[20:47]  * nigelb moved to g+ :P
[20:48] <Tubu> A month ago, the page I maintain for my work  disapear without any comment... we did try to contact FB but no answers... we lost 700 followers...
[20:48] <pleia2> yeah, there is always that risk with these proprietary tools
[20:48] <Tubu> it seams to happen kind of "often"...
[20:48] <jledbetter2> probably the leader types should be admins
[20:48] <pleia2> jledbetter2: nooo, project leaders just make sure bits get flipped, no more responsiblities! :)
[20:49] <pleia2> and I don't grok facebook
[20:49] <jledbetter2> haha
[20:49] <pleia2> alright, well I'll set it up and then I'll nag people to help me ;)
[20:50] <pleia2> for ubuntu california we use posterous.com to update identi.ca, twitter and facebook all at once
[20:50] <pleia2> so I'll look at our options and maybe we use that
[20:50] <Tubu> anyone know about the statut of Diaspora actually?
[20:50] <jledbetter2> that'd be good
[20:50] <nigelb> maco: ^
[20:50] <pleia2> diaspora is still invite only, and I'm not on it, I don't know how/if they have group pages
[20:51] <nigelb> maco used to run a seed, I don't know if its still running
[20:51] <maco> it is
[20:51] <maco> seed.mackenzie.morgan.name
[20:51] <maco> however i dont think it works right
[20:51] <maco> from my pod, i cant add joindiaspora.com users, for example
[20:52] <maco> my only guess right now is that the searchy stuff is refusing to interact with my server due to lack of SSL
[20:52] <jledbetter2> I'm on joindiaspora but haven't been on in a while.
[20:52] <pleia2> do they have Pages like facebook?
[20:52] <pleia2> we're not an individual :) so we'd need something that's catered to groups
[20:52] <jledbetter2> I don't remember them. But maybe they have them now.
[20:53] <jledbetter2> We can add that to the list of things to check. Probably maybe.
[20:53] <pleia2> looks like posterous can't auto-update it either, but maybe it can pull from some other source
[20:53] <pleia2> I'm not on it so I can't do this, can someone volunteer to check?
[20:54] <jledbetter2> I'll check
[20:54] <jledbetter2> and maybe it can pull from twitter
[20:54] <pleia2> [ACTION] jledbetter2 to review options for UW on Diaspora
[20:54] <Mootbot-UK> ACTION received:  jledbetter2 to review options for UW on Diaspora
[20:54] <pleia2> we don't have an identi.ca account, just a group, should we have an account that mirrors twitter?
[20:54] <pleia2> I don't know bout identi.ca things :)
[20:54] <pleia2> s/bout/about
[20:55] <jledbetter2> we have 'uw' on identica
[20:55] <jledbetter2> right, maco ?
[20:55] <maco> no i dont think there are groups or Pages or any of that on diaspora
[20:56] <pleia2> no http://identi.ca/uw or http://identi.ca/ubuntuwomen (I think we'd prefer the latter, since it's the same as twitter)
[20:56] <maco> !uw is the group tag
[20:56] <maco> i think thats actually an abbreviation for !ubuntuwomen though... identi.ca allows aliases
[20:56] <jledbetter2> right, group tag. switch it to ubuntuwomen for consistency? really long though
[20:57] <Tubu> +1
[20:57] <maco> i believe both work
[20:57] <nigelb> I think we have both
[20:57] <nigelb> one being the short version
[20:57] <maco> !uw is an alias for !ubuntuwomen
[20:57] <jledbetter2> Oh thought the question was about mirroring?
[20:58] <maco> that was about having an account for @ubuntuwomen
[20:58] <maco> to match @ubuntuwomen on twitter
[20:58] <nigelb> ah
[20:59] <pleia2> it's easy to cross-post, so maybe we just do it?
[20:59] <pleia2> [ACTION] pleia2 to create identi.ca account
[20:59] <Mootbot-UK> ACTION received:  pleia2 to create identi.ca account
[21:00] <jledbetter2> Gotcha
[21:01] <pleia2> alright, I think that's enough about this stuff for now, we can regroup once we have some of these action items completed :)
[21:02] <pleia2> oh right UW blog - do we want to ask canonical for blog.ubuntu-women.org ?
[21:03] <nigelb> that'd be great!
[21:03] <pleia2> [ACTION] pleia2 to submit ticket to get blog.ubuntu-women.org created
[21:03] <Mootbot-UK> ACTION received:  pleia2 to submit ticket to get blog.ubuntu-women.org created
[21:03] <jledbetter2> +1
[21:03] <Tubu> +1
[21:03] <pleia2> we'll work through how we want to theme it and stuff later :)
[21:03] <pleia2> alrighty
[21:04] <Tubu> :)
[21:04] <pleia2> any more social media comments before we move on?
[21:04] <pleia2> [TOPIC] Nominations phase for Leadership has started - Questions? Comments? Etc?
[21:04] <Mootbot-UK> New Topic:  Nominations phase for Leadership has started - Questions? Comments? Etc?
[21:04] <pleia2> http://wiki.ubuntu-women.org/LeadershipElectionProcess/2011
[21:04] <Mootbot-UK> LINK received:  http://wiki.ubuntu-women.org/LeadershipElectionProcess/2011
[21:05] <pleia2> http://wiki.ubuntu-women.org/LeadershipElectionProcess
[21:05] <Mootbot-UK> LINK received:  http://wiki.ubuntu-women.org/LeadershipElectionProcess
[21:05] <pleia2> I emailed the list last week to kick this off
[21:05] <pleia2> in a week (July 21st) we'll be closing the nomination phase
[21:05] <pleia2> so far we have valorie and myself applying for the 3 spots
[21:06] <pleia2> so, does anyone have any questions about the process, requirements or expectations of leadership?
[21:07] <nigelb> will potential candidates be poked to apply?
[21:07] <pleia2> I've nudged a few people, poking is highly encouraged :)
[21:07] <jledbetter2> Do you have to be a woman?
[21:07] <pleia2> jledbetter2: good question! no
[21:08] <jledbetter2> Ok
[21:08] <pleia2> I don't think this was ever specifically stated anywhere
[21:08] <pleia2> but we don't have restrictions on membership, there are no statements declaring that only women can apply, and I don't love the idea of imposing such a thing now
[21:09] <jledbetter2> Right.
[21:09] <pleia2> ok, so everyone should go bug the people you want to be leader :)
[21:10] <Cheri703> pleia2: I'm applying too!
[21:10] <pleia2> Cheri703: yay!
[21:10] <Cheri703> I just haven't filled out my page
[21:10] <jledbetter2> So there are the 3!
[21:10] <pleia2> 3 for 3 spots!
[21:11] <Cheri703> (others can apply too, that's the whole voting idea ;) )
[21:11] <pleia2> not sure what we'd do if that was the final result, maybe some kind of confirmation vote
[21:11] <jledbetter2> lol
[21:11] <pleia2> de facto leaders :)
[21:11] <pleia2> hehe
[21:11] <jledbetter2> Yep.
[21:11] <Tubu> lol
[21:12] <pleia2> I guess we'll cross that bridge if we get to it
[21:12] <jledbetter2> True. Still time. Might be a fourth or sixth.
[21:12] <pleia2> yeah :)
[21:12] <pleia2> alrighty, so that's the last formal agenda item
[21:12] <pleia2> [TOPIC] Announcements and other stuff
[21:12] <Mootbot-UK> New Topic:  Announcements and other stuff
[21:13] <pleia2> I'm keynoting at the fosscon.org conference next weekend, and freedeb and maco are speaking too :)
[21:13] <pleia2> makes 3/11 speakers women, which is not to shabby!
[21:13] <jledbetter2> Woo hoo!
[21:13] <pleia2> s/to/too
[21:13] <nigelb> \o/
[21:13]  * Cheri703 would love to attend, just no way to get there
[21:13] <jledbetter2> Not bad at all!
[21:14] <Tubu> +1!
[21:14] <pleia2> nigelb: did you have a thing?
[21:15] <nigelb> o/
[21:15] <nigelb> Yes
[21:15] <nigelb> AlanBell and I took an action item earlier to help organize something for Ada Lovelace day
[21:16] <nigelb> We brainstormed multiple times and we didn't get any particular idea on what to do.
[21:16] <nigelb> If anyone has suggestions and would help us run those, please fine AlanBell or me here or in #ubuntu-women
[21:16] <nigelb> *find
[21:16] <jledbetter2> nigelb: Y'all have a list somewhere?
[21:17]  * AlanBell concurrs
[21:17] <AlanBell> jledbetter2: we have an empty list
[21:17] <nigelb> jledbetter2: argh, I lost it in history. I'll ask AlanBell to look for it
[21:17] <nigelb> There was an etherpad
[21:17] <jledbetter2> empty list... alright :)
[21:17] <AlanBell> we might have a list of ideas we didn't like much
[21:18] <nigelb> yeah, that was ideas that we brainstormed and didn't get anywhere list
[21:18] <jledbetter2> Ah, I see. Ok, I'll find y'all in #u-w later :)
[21:19] <pleia2> ok, anything else?
[21:20] <nigelb> Are we doing anything for UDS for next time last last time?
[21:20] <jledbetter2> nigelb: What do you mean?
[21:21] <jledbetter2> Blogging thing? Or a meetup?
[21:21] <nigelb> There was a gender diversity thing with blogging etc
[21:21] <nigelb> Or was it s/gender//
[21:21] <jledbetter2> was kind of focused on gender
[21:21] <jledbetter2> imho
[21:22] <pleia2> I'll probably do another post on my own about general attending
[21:22] <nigelb> Yeah, just checking if we're doing something similar this cycle too. Planning early helps.
[21:23] <pleia2> we should make sure we nudge canonical folks about diversity again though, they had little signs saying what was in foods (gluten, dairy, etc) and that was awesome, don't want them to lapse into no info again :)
[21:23] <pleia2> and accessibility is important
[21:23] <jledbetter2> They did? Fantastic!
[21:23] <pleia2> I don't know about a more gendered push aside from updating wiki.ubuntu-women.org/UDS
[21:25] <pleia2> this meeting is long, maybe pick this one up at the next meeting?
[21:25] <jledbetter2> +1
[21:25] <nigelb> Yeah, just brought this up too, a little early.
[21:25] <pleia2> nah it's good, my brain is just full :)
[21:27] <pleia2> ok, anything else before we wrap up?
[21:27] <nigelb> 3..2..1... :)
[21:27] <Tubu> 0
[21:27] <pleia2> :)
[21:27] <Tubu> :)
[21:27] <pleia2> thanks everyone!
[21:28] <pleia2> #endmeeting
[21:28] <Mootbot-UK> Meeting finished at 21:28.
[21:28] <jledbetter2> See you later :)
[21:32] <Tubu> read you later, bye!
[21:33] <valorie> damn it, missed the meeting
[21:33] <valorie> :(
[21:35] <pleia2> https://www.facebook.com/pages/Ubuntu-Women/204238706293970
[21:35] <pleia2> everyone like that
[21:35] <pleia2> :)
[21:37] <pleia2> and I made http://identi.ca/ubuntuwomen
[22:07] <MichelleQ> jledbetter: sorry, was snoozing.  What' sup
[23:22] <jledbetter> MichelleQ, Was regarding how to make meetups welcoming for the womenfolk. http://wiki.ubuntu-women.org/BestPractices