[06:39] morning superfly kbmonkey nuvolari and others [06:40] lo inetpro is the eintlik hier? [06:40] Maaz, coffee on [06:40] * Maaz starts grinding coffee [06:41] Maaz, with cremora [06:41] Ah! At last someone with taste [06:41] Maaz, with milk [06:41] Yay Kilos You aren't one of those skinny guys that needs to drink black coffee to cast a shadow [06:44] Coffee's ready for Kilos! [06:45] Maaz, ty [06:45] Enjoy Kilos [06:49] morning Kilos [06:49] hiya scar[w] [06:52] strike on the N2 this morning eish [06:53] eish [07:12] scar[w]: where about? [07:12] and ohia [07:13] morning drubin [07:13] . [07:13] howdy morgs [07:13] morning! [07:19] more ooom Kilos hoe gaan dit daar? [07:19] dis 'n awesome dag by stellenbosch. [07:20] goed dankie , en self drubin [07:20] mooi [07:20] nog koud in pretoria [07:21] Vhata: Would you recommend any blogs/books other then the main site + pulling strings with puppet? For some noobie like me to get started? [07:23] drubin: not really. also, kinda prefer chef now. although they can be complementary [07:32] mornings [07:33] drubin close to the airport [07:36] scar[w]: :( [07:36] it was very early this morning [07:39] o0 [07:39] more Tonberry [07:39] hello [07:46] Vhata: Why though? [07:46] why which? [07:47] drubin: do you read devops-weekly? [07:47] Vhata: Why do you prefer chef :) and yes I understand it is a personal view but interested to hear soem reasons from people that have used both [07:47] Vhata: not actively... but I have read it. [07:47] * drubin subscribes [07:48] comes out on sunday evenings - I generally just open the few things I think sound interesting in tabs and get round to reading them over the course of the week [07:48] or when Outsider makes me [07:49] anyway, my minion Duncan gets featured in there occasionally, because he turning into quite the famous devops guy, and: http://nuknad.com/2011/05/10/puppet-lessons-learned/ [07:49] ;-p [07:49] Vhata: thanks. [07:49] http://nuknad.com/2011/06/03/first-impressions-on-chef/ [07:59] Good morning guys, I will be in and out today, will keep an eye... [08:01] drubin: please ping us if you need to know anything? [08:01] drubin: and I hope you're looking into mcollective too [08:02] Vhata: thanks! who is "us" you speak of :) [08:02] Yola :) [08:02] Vhata: and I didn't know about mcollective, adding it to the list of things. [08:02] me, nuknad, bearnard, Outsider [08:03] Vhata: thanks really nice of you [08:04] what are you trying to do? [08:05] Vhata: Learning comparing stuff. [08:06] Vhata: but goal would be to have automated deployments and configuration setup for a boxes. (just a couple at first) [08:06] ‎13 millions users on Google Plus as of 13 July 11 p.m (G.M.T+ 0.00) <<--- It hasn't even been officially released [08:07] Automated deployments are pretty easy if you package your code, it is the configuration that becomes a pain. [08:07] Vhata: Does that explain basic idea, although nothing really cast in stone just looking at options to make every thing better. [08:11] automated deployments are not easy :P [08:11] drubin: do you have testing environments? [08:14] Vhata: yes. [08:14] Vhata: they are when you have already spent time on it. ;-p [08:15] so how do you handle the different configurations between testing and production? [08:16] hence the complication. [08:16] Vhata: Do people still not have staging enviroments in this day and age? [08:17] morning Langjan Vhata [08:17] I don't know, I'm sure they do. That's why I'm asking how you handle the different configurations, since you seem to think it's easy. [08:18] Vhata: no that part is hard. [08:19] Vhata: how do you handle sensitive data like passwords in your configuration management? [08:20] so by automated deployment, you mean "putting code on a box"? :P === queery_ is now known as queery === queery is now known as Guest43248 [08:21] Vhata: sort of. [08:21] ffs [08:22] hi Guest43248 [08:22] hi oom Kilos [08:22] huh [08:22] you know me [08:22] hehe === Guest43248 is now known as queeyr_ [08:22] lol === queeyr_ is now known as queery_ [08:23] * queery :Nick/channel is temporarily unavailable [08:23] queery_, are you the uy with an uncle in pta [08:23] no [08:23] whew i get mixed up at times [08:23] well i think i have an uncle in pretoria [08:24] but i have not told you that before [08:24] we had a chap here months ago that introduced his nephew to ubuntu [08:24] oh not me than [08:25] i just mixed up with the nicks i think [08:25] my sister is probably a lesbian [08:25] lol [08:25] drubin: 'deployment' includes 'configuration', and configuration management is *hard* === Kilos is now known as kilos [08:26] Vhata: ;-p [08:27] still can't change my nick [08:28] you gotta wait for it to timeout first [08:29] no the nick is not here any more [08:29] it timed out [08:29] or there is another command [08:29] and I ghosted it [08:29] ghost I know [08:29] but it's not working cause it already timed out [08:29] im not sure anymore but try /msg nickserv identify password [08:30] won't work, cause this nick is no registered [08:30] your queery one? [08:30] queery is reg [08:30] not this one with the tail [08:30] but queery_ isnt [08:30] yea [08:31] well just do it with the password you registered with [08:31] it should then change you back [08:31] said that the nick aint reg [08:31] hehe [08:31] eish [08:32] yea [08:32] oh well [08:32] are you using xchat [08:32] yes [08:32] close it , wait 5 then come back [08:32] I can live with the tail for a bit [08:32] will anyway close xchat in 5 min [08:32] lol [08:32] have to work [08:33] hehe [08:39] Langjan, run sudo apt-get install -f [08:40] or sudo apt-get install-f i cant see if there must be a space in there [08:49] Yes there should be a space, kilos [08:49] guys, is there a command to kill update manager please [08:49] ty morgs [08:49] kilos: what is it doing that you want to kill? [08:51] Langjan, cant do any updating or install anything because i am sure the update manager is running automatically but there is a broken package or incomplete update somewhere [08:52] i forget the site to send screenshots [08:52] he sent me two [08:52] If an install is in progress and you kill the gui, the dpkg processes will still be running [08:53] update manager cant open to turn off check for updates [08:53] not a good idea to kill that stuff [08:53] it cant do the install because it brings up tiny windows [08:54] i think he had a bad update/upgrade and now he has those probs [08:55] he cant sudo apt-get update or upgrade because that update manager is going all the time and he gets the error saying he has another pm running [08:56] thats why i though we should kill the update manager [08:57] or software centre i am not sure [09:10] where do wee paste screenshots to please [09:15] kilos: imageshack.us if you want [09:15] ty superfly [09:15] i gotta save that somewhere so i remember it [09:20] its so Langjan can paste his screenshots of what happens when he tries to open update manager [09:27] look im queery again [09:27] yay [09:29] hehe [09:45] good day. how is ubuntu-za family today? [09:45] well ty kodez [09:45] think we got the prob with Langjan inna dark time [09:46] still the same probem or another one? [09:47] the main one that wont let him update upgrade or install anything [09:48] i am sure update manager is trying to run in the background but had an aborted update and now is stuck [09:48] a cowered approach is to re-install Ubuntu. that has always worked for me. i thought the --configure -a will help but i can't help more than that [09:49] but he is busy at work so will hang around till he finds the time [09:49] lol i want to kill the update manager but will hear what the pros say first [09:49] hehe [09:51] it's difficult to think what will happen. but i don't see any danger [09:51] we are trying to get around the need to download everything again to save his data and then i will help him partition so he can have space for rsyncing backups and cahe [09:52] partition hdd is always best [09:53] yeah [09:53] he has 2 large drives but i dont think they are partitioned [09:54] 160g i think [09:55] or maybe he can boot from cd and try repair from the cd but i will need help there [09:56] then at least the update manager wont be running [09:56] i have 150GB on my laptop and it's partitioned into three accomodating also virus village [09:57] i even though he can install maverick again alongside and move his packages to the new install that way [09:58] * kilos dunno why i missing the last t in thought lately [09:59] is he using natty? [10:02] no maverick [10:03] thats what upsets me. maverick runs so well here [10:05] and i dont know how to get him to the recovery option with only the one installation. i have karmic and maverick alongside so it boots nicely to options and there is recovery and dpkg repair broken packages [10:06] but if i member right with one install it boots right in [10:08] i think that would be the answer for him to do a dpkg repair before it boots and the update manager blocks cli commands [10:08] maybe i am just rambling ? [10:26] where can i learn about configuring my own repository? [10:30] didnt you get what superfly said yesterday kodez [10:30] apt/cd or something [10:30] no. please assist again [10:30] i scroll back and see [10:32] aw i cant see that far [10:32] look in yesterdays logs [10:32] i'm thinking of copying the dvd to my pc and configure synaptic package manager to look application to the local folder [10:33] there were two suggestions addressed to you [10:36] i think i was offline when superfly posted as i can't find them on my log or any superfly messages [10:42] Maaz: tell kodez apt-cdrom [10:44] what is the full syntax of apt-cdrom? [10:44] kodez: man apt-cdrom [10:49] suprfly: if i want to make the repo local to the pc, what will the the way to do it? [10:54] must be apt-"path to repo" hey? [11:03] superfly, when booting from cd can you run sudo apt-get update and upgrade from the cd and will it upgrade the OS on the harddrive [11:03] or anyone else [11:04] kodez, when you type a nick dont you use the tab key [11:04] first three letters of nick then tab [11:05] kilos: when booting from the CD you can only do an install, not apt-get upgrade. If you want to apt-get upgrade off a CD you need the alternate CD or DVD, and then you don't boot from it, just insert into a running system [11:07] ty morgs [11:11] then i think we gotta go the kill/killall route to stop the update manager [11:11] lo, Squirm [11:11] lo [11:12] then he can do a sudo dpkg --configure -a [11:32] would sudo stop update manager work? [11:33] or is there something else to add in there [11:33] stop sounds more gentle than kill [11:33] hehe [12:00] kilos: use ps ax and look for dpkg and apt processes [12:01] will get him to do that when he gets time ty morgs [12:01] looked at ps aux as well [12:01] kilos: it's really not going to work with you relaying commands. Either he must come here, or just reboot his machine or something. [12:02] hopefully he will be on here later [12:02] i am not relaying just trying to work out strategies [12:02] he has rebooted over and over [12:03] thats why i think it is the update manager [12:03] or something it needs [12:46] * scar[w] hopes he didn't remove python [13:02] Maaz, coffee on [13:02] * Maaz starts grinding coffee [13:04] kilos, that error from langjan is elusive, i can't find any real answers except "close synaptic" [13:05] i think he needs to post on the ubuntu forums, more eyes on the problem is needed :) [13:06] Coffee's ready for kbmonkey! [13:06] hi kbmonkey [13:07] i asked him inna morn to go to update manager and untick check for updates [13:07] good idea! [13:08] he cant open update manager all the way as it pops up a window that says partial upgrade [13:08] and another one thats says run sudo apt-get install -f [13:09] but neither work [13:09] so i think in his aborted update it has damaged some package or got a corrupted one [13:10] partial upgrade? [13:10] now um starts and can go no further and thats the pm thats blocking us from doing anything [13:11] i have the screenshots but dont wanna use up data pasting them so will get him to do it tonight [13:11] i think we need a kill/killall command to stop the update manager and then we can go on and fix whats broken [13:12] or a stop command [13:12] but he seems very busy so we will see tonight [13:13] partial upgrades are not recommended and cause problems, unless you know what it's going to do [13:14] thats why i wanna kill um and we go cli [13:14] update and upgrade [13:14] even dist-upgrade [13:15] UM is just a pretty window for apt, under the hood apt always gets used [13:15] but i am sure update manager is the other running pm [13:15] so the same command gets run on updates and installs [13:16] member it keeps saying there is another package manager running [13:16] im worried that something deeper is broken, like the config for apt or the files it uses to work properly [13:17] update manager or software centre i was thinking it could be [13:18] well if killing update manager doesnt work he can install again alongside so he does have to download everything again [13:18] the other way i think is to get to recovery or dpkg fix broken packages on startup [13:19] but i dunno if you got that option with a single OS [13:19] one of those F8 while booting or something [13:20] i dunno which one , or space or something [13:20] last night jan managed to delete the lock fine (http://pastebin.com/4UA6ZeTd) but never told us the result of running the update [13:21] with 2 OS you get the option on bootup to do recovery of the dpkg thing [13:21] we will see when he gets here [13:22] alright :) [13:23] maybe someone knows what key you keep hitting on boot to see all the options [13:23] thanks for all the help last night. i know how he feels [13:23] I see he installed bumblebee. its that graphics drivers for laptops with hybrid gfx cards. i wonder if that is the package messing us around [13:23] us ballies get worried [13:24] i saw some where it said something about bumblebee [13:24] lol asked here what that was [13:24] and was told its a thing that polinates fruit or plants [13:25] hehe [13:25] I have a feeling jan forgot to paste all the info, where it reconfigures his packages, it probably waits for him to choose an option, but he doesnt realize it waits, and thinks its hanging [13:26] ah [13:26] because what he did paste, it says: "997 Enter Manual Configuration, 998 Show all profiles.,999 Do not configure now " [13:26] yes [13:27] I have never seen that before, so I guess that is bumblebee configuring itself. [13:27] if we can get in before it boots fully we will be able to fix it i am sure [13:27] like boot from cli [13:27] but then he cant come on here [13:28] I would just remove the lock again, remove bumblebee, and then try update [13:28] we can do that [13:28] textbook then. lol [13:28] wont his screen go black if thats his graphics driver [13:29] i saw lekker commands in your LPI book [13:29] the lock isn't the problem, but really when it asks him to choose an option, he closes the window and the lock isn't removed. [13:29] yeah thats why it will work if we get in before booting [13:30] or not? [13:30] he needs to post on the forums, someone else who also uses bumblebee might have a better view. I only heaerd of this bumblebee last week [13:30] ah [13:31] but it was working till he removed compiz halfway [13:32] his prob started with compiz requiring him to login if he was away a few mins [13:33] lekker challenge this one [13:34] his Um history doesn't show compiz as being removed, maybe he couldn't remove it due to this issue. [13:34] he did however remove nvidia stuff [13:35] so it could also be the graphics stuff. eish, my brain hurts [13:35] Maaz, thank you [13:35] kbmonkey: No problem [13:35] didn't even see that coffee there [13:36] lol [13:38] i would love to have that pc here [14:09] bbl i gonna try see how to boot into cli [14:21] hierdie core2 goedjies lyk nie sleg nie [14:21] *skuus, verkeerde channel [15:22] can someone tell me does this link show Jans 2 screenshots please [15:22] http://profile.imageshack.us/user/motimultiplier [15:23] kbmonkey, ^^ [15:24] i cant go there. used 3 days data yesterday [15:24] lo nlsthzn [15:29] Hey Uncle Kilos ... did Jan get his PC sorted out... [15:30] yes i can see that screen [15:31] it says one cause of this problem is unoffial packages [15:31] ty i will tell him thats the rightlink then [15:31] he will mopst likely be here later [15:31] i was thinking [15:32] ct+alt+del gives a shell hey? [15:32] i think shell is the right word [15:34] is all your graphics and everything then off so we can work from there [15:35] will just need to make a list of commands for him to do that way and then tell him how to get gdm going again [15:35] C-A-F1 to F5 gives you a text console, or tty [15:35] Kilos: normally the best way to get completely away from GUI is to press Ctrl+Alt+2... log in then sudo init 3... then there is no more graphical environemnt [15:35] of yes F1 sorry [15:35] * nlsthzn also meant F2 [15:35] :p [15:35] you log out, then press the keys to switch to a text console [15:36] also, if you boot and at the grub menu choose recovery mode, it boots into a text mode console as root [15:36] log out? switch off? [15:36] no, log out, so it shows your log-in screen [15:36] * nlsthzn can see the chaps are busy... will be back later... enjoy :) [15:36] thx nlsthzn [15:37] oh guests just arrived, I'll need to step away and say hello :) [15:37] when you only got one OS installed it boots right into gui [15:37] enjoy kbmonkey [15:37] perhaps the grub menu has no delay set so it boots directly [15:37] but i don't have maverick so I not sure [15:38] how do you logout of of c+a+f2 or 1 [15:38] usually you have the boot menu either ways, which gives you the recovery option. but after 3 seconds it will proceed to the default boot option [15:38] eish sorry i forgot [15:38] maverick goes straight in here on my other drive [15:39] you type 'exit' or 'logout' i think [15:39] no recovery shows [15:39] oh mya exit ty [15:40] you edit the file /etc/default/grub and the line that says GRUB_TIMEOUT=5 (that's my value) but see if his is set to 0 [15:40] not sure why ubuntu disabled that by default [15:40] ok he must do that too then [15:40] did he upgrade to maverick from a previous version? [15:41] i think he did a clean install [15:41] but says it uses too much data to do it again [15:41] too much data..? [15:41] does he have any space left? you know if your space runs out all sorts of strange errors pop up. i wonder... [15:42] the upgrade and downloading all his stuff [15:42] he has 160G [15:42] oh dear, maybe that is the problem :P [15:42] will ask though to check [15:42] 160G free? no that is plenty [15:42] not free [15:42] its a 160g drive [15:43] if you run 'df -h' it will show you how much space is free for every partition [15:43] the '/' is the important one, [15:43] ok [15:43] root? [15:43] where is system files are stored, on the root mount point [15:43] ok [15:44] because if you look at your home free space, it is different than '/' [15:44] hopefully we get this fixed and get to gparted and so [15:44] yip [15:45] i am sure he used the option use the whole drive [15:45] not manually conf partitions [15:46] lol he is lucky he didnt start with 8.04 [15:46] oh that is a good point! well we can ask Jan later about his free space [15:47] but that df command tells us how his disk is partitioned, and how much space is free, all in one go :) [15:47] great [15:51] * nlsthzn was chilling at home and drinking to much rum last night... need to make a rule not to sit in front of keyboard while drinking :/ [15:52] lol [15:52] what rum? [15:53] did you mess on keyboard nlsthzn ? [15:53] Kilos: now... but the last thing one needs when on the internet is even less inhibitions... [15:54] :p [15:54] lol [15:54] I drink exclusively Old Monk Rum here in the UAE... Indian Rum off all things, and it is for exclusive use within the UAE :p [15:54] im lucky. gave up drinking about 20 years ago [15:55] have you tried bacardi [15:55] * nlsthzn might give up drinking in 20 years too... [15:55] I prefer dark... [15:55] with coke its like colddrink [15:55] have you tried it? [15:55] Captain Morgan... even Spiced Gold... hmmm Spiced Gold... sure... I try anything : [15:55] :p [15:56] i also enjoyed the captain till i found bacardi [15:56] I upgraded to 11..10 this morning after jono tweeted he was... eish, now it is bugs all over the place... [15:56] now i drink tea and cyber coffee [15:56] eish [15:59] wow just thought about it. i gave up when ian was 7 so thats 28 years [15:59] maybe thats my prob. been good for too long [16:01] Maaz, coffee on [16:01] * Maaz starts grinding coffee [16:05] Coffee's ready for Kilos! [16:05] Maaz, dankie man [16:05] Groot plesier my vriend [16:38] Plant doesn't want to give us a break it seems... :/ [16:40] Also good for you Mr. Kilos ... if one can make a decision like that and stick to it is awesome!! [16:41] lol [16:41] that's strong will right there! [16:41] doesn anyone use PyPanel? [16:46] kbmonkey: nope, don't even know what it is [16:49] it's a taskbar panel, window list, clock, date, that kind of thing [16:51] Cool... [16:51] At the moment all my needs are satisfied with a borken unity interface [16:51] silly alpha 2 [16:51] :p [16:52] oops :P [16:55] Jono tweeted last night that he was swiching and like a trained parrot I did too :/ [17:48] Maaz, coffee on [17:48] * Maaz washes some mugs [17:50] maaz hot [17:50] Come on Kilos How many peeps do you know that make coffee with cold water twit! [17:50] cheeky bot [17:52] Coffee's ready for Kilos! [17:52] Maaz, thanks man [17:52] Kilos It gives me great pleasure to serve a bunch of geeks :-) [17:52] im not a bunch [17:52]