| astraljava | ScottL: No, never heard of him. | 00:00 |
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| TheMuso | ScottL, astraljava, anyone else who worked on the seeds. Here is a list of what has been added/removed, and I think there is a fair amount in here that you may not want on the studio disks. http://paste.ubuntu.com/643670/ | 01:27 |
| TheMuso | ScottL, astraljava, I am not uploading until I hear back as to whether you wish to make more changes, or go with what is there. | 01:27 |
| TheMuso | astraljava, ScottL, the above is from the changelog entry for ubuntustudio-meta with the recent seed changes. | 01:28 |
| ScottL | astraljava, i talked to cory via google chat and he's good with what you have done (not that he looked with much depth to be forthcoming) | 01:33 |
| ScottL | man, we added a lot without removing that much :/ | 01:34 |
| ScottL | astraljava, basically i told cory that i thought we should try the " forward, see what breaks, and try to fix it" method | 01:36 |
| holstein | whats replacing brasero? | 04:58 |
| astraljava | ScottL: Like I said, I merged from Xubuntu without really knowing what not to include. Development stuff, sure, but not really anything outside. | 06:18 |
| astraljava | TheMuso: Thanks for the output! We seriously needed to have the discussion, but as you probably noticed, there wasn't any. :-/ | 06:19 |
| * persia notices backscroll and wonders why abiword should be included. Same for orage, parole, vinagrr | 07:43 | |
| astraljava | We didn't have any office tools by default before? Okay, I'll scratch all of that. | 08:17 |
| astraljava | No idea what the rest are. | 08:17 |
| astraljava | So with abiword, we ought to get rid of gnumeric, too? | 08:17 |
| persia | Depends on the plan. | 08:31 |
| persia | If we think people need to be able to do flyers and calculate how much money they lose for signing with a major label, then perhaps we want those tools. | 08:32 |
| persia | Alternately, we could tell folk who want an office suite to install one of libreoffice, gnome-office, or Calligra, depending on their preference. | 08:33 |
| persia | orage is a calendar, parole is a media player, vinagre is a remote desktop client. | 08:34 |
| persia | Again, there might be good reasons to have them. | 08:34 |
| astraljava | persia: For Xubuntu, or us? Once again, desktop is pretty much directly copied from Xubuntu's. I left out some pretty obvious choices only (e.g. development tools and the like) | 08:43 |
| persia | There are definite reasons for Xubuntu to have that stuff. | 08:43 |
| persia | But I always presumed there was a reason that we had a separate desktop seed, related to wanting/not wanting certain things from Ubuntu Desktop. | 08:44 |
| persia | If we want to have the same behaviour when using Xubuntu, I would expect the same filters to be applied. | 08:44 |
| persia | If we just want the Xubuntu Desktop as-is, with our stuff on top, then we could just have "xubuntu-desktop" in our seed, or not even have an ubuntustudio-desktop package, and just have the other ones. | 08:45 |
| astraljava | persia: I highly doubt we want it as-is, hence the discussion. But stuff like "there might be good reasons to have them" only apply for the reason that it's currently a product of direct copying. | 08:47 |
| astraljava | persia: I am just not well-enough informed to make the call for removing individual packages. | 08:48 |
| astraljava | That's why we wanted, especially, Cory's input on it. | 08:49 |
| astraljava | persia: Ahh... your meaning wasn't "there might be reasons why they are there", but rather "there might be reasons people would want them to be there". Gotcha. Sorry. :) | 08:50 |
| persia | I firmly believe that for Ubuntu Studio to be useful, it has to provide a coherent experience based on some vision. | 08:55 |
| persia | I'm not at all confident that I understand that vision: I have opinions, but I know I don't have enough time to keep track of what folk are thinking closely. | 08:55 |
| persia | So, if having an office suite is part of that coherent experience, then it needs documentation targeting the Ubuntu Studio userbase, etc. | 08:56 |
| persia | But I believe it to be different than the past experience, and wasn't sure if that was intentional. | 08:56 |
| astraljava | Yep. Well, Scott can put his foot down on this, once we have gathered enough input on the matter. Your points were excellent, though, so thanks! I'll keep that in mind. | 09:06 |
| persia | Heh, yeah :) I should also say: nice work in sorting the migration. | 09:09 |
| persia | It will be nice to have buildable images again. | 09:09 |
| astraljava | Agreed, I hate when we couldn't test. Also, I'm highly stoked to see the new desktop. :) | 09:15 |
| falktx | hey there | 10:19 |
| astraljava | Hi falktx! | 10:55 |
| falktx | hi | 11:07 |
| falktx | are the new ISOs building now? | 11:09 |
| falktx | (gnome-session and lash fixed?) | 11:09 |
| astraljava | At least I didn't receive any notion of uninstallable binaries in the daily health check, but I haven't attempted a test install yet. | 11:26 |
| astraljava | err... s/binaries/packages/ | 11:27 |
| astraljava | Nah, installation still fails, and obviously so because Luke just informed us that he hadn't updated the seeds due to confusing nature of desktop's contents. | 11:43 |
| falktx | ah, too bad | 11:45 |
| astraljava | falktx: If you could, please take a look at the desktop in the ubuntustudio.oneiric seed. | 11:46 |
| astraljava | We could use the opinion in the application selection area. | 11:47 |
| falktx | I can take a quick look | 11:49 |
| falktx | it seems like oneiric has more GCC bugs than natty had | 11:54 |
| ScottL | astraljava, i have luke's pastebin and i'll parse it later today (hopefully, work is pretty busy again) | 11:55 |
| ScottL | hi falktx | 11:55 |
| astraljava | ScottL: Yeah, no sweat. We still have a few weeks until alpha-3 (but time flies) :D | 11:58 |
| ScottL | yes and i still want to make additional changes to add new plugins, etc, one xfce is sorted, so that makes the time even shorter | 12:00 |
| falktx | ScottL: did you ever tested my xfce menu patch for real? | 12:01 |
| falktx | I can see a lot of plugins missing | 12:06 |
| falktx | guitarix is not available, so it should be added | 12:06 |
| falktx | yoshimi is a good choice too | 12:07 |
| falktx | hm, it seems to me the seed are very short right now... did someone removed lots of apps? | 12:08 |
| falktx | I can't see invada-plugins in there, but I remember US using it before | 12:08 |
| falktx | ah! generation.seed adds a few more | 12:09 |
| astraljava | I see plugins in audio-common and audio-plugins | 12:09 |
| falktx | damn, I need to sleep | 12:12 |
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| scott-work | astraljava: did you ever get ubuntu studio installed on your mac? did you dual-boot by chance? | 15:13 |
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| astraljava | scott-work: I never got the mac. I had some financial issues, and when they were resolved, Apple had switched from nVidia to ATi/AMD, so I didn't bother anymore. | 16:15 |
| scott-work | ah, gotcha | 16:22 |
| scott-work | one of the hosts for the "terminal geeks" podcast is thinking about using a mac and was curious about dual booting it | 16:22 |
| astraljava | I understand there's nothing really irky about it anymore. EFI works really well for that. | 17:03 |
| scott-work | astraljava: what is EFI? | 18:47 |
| scott-work | oh, and i'm still going to get you information about the back porting situation, there's just too many irons in the fire for my time | 18:47 |
| astraljava | scott-work: No fear, natty/lucid is not going anywhere for a while. :) | 18:52 |
| astraljava | scott-work: The BIOS equivalent on Macs, I believe. | 18:54 |
| charlie-tca | EFI is something in the 64bit macs, that's the reason we have have a special release for mac 64 | 18:56 |
| astraljava | The Unified Extensible Firmware Interface BIOS (UEFI) is a specification that defines a software interface between an operating system and platform firmware. UEFI is a replacement for the older BIOS firmware interface present in all IBM PC-compatible personal computers. (from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unified_Extensible_Firmware_Interface) | 18:59 |
| astraljava | I don't see how that limits to 64-bits only, though. | 19:00 |
| charlie-tca | I don't understand much of it, but there is something about the 64bit system that requires a special cd spin | 19:01 |
| persia | EFI is an earlier revision of UEFI, used by Apple, Dell, HP, and maybe some other folk. Apple did it first, and in a special way that doesn't match what everyone else did, hence the amd64+mac images. | 19:09 |
| persia | The i386 images either don't support the Intel macs *OR* do something special to get into some "compatibility mode". I forget which, but suspect the former. | 19:10 |
| astraljava | Thanks for the correction, persia! | 19:41 |
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