JontheEchidnaapachelogger: :P00:12
Mamarokapachelogger: since 4.7 SC rc is available: where can I find it?06:42
karmoMamarok: Muon package manager?06:49
Mamarokkarmo: not really more usefull than apt-get, what I need is the PPA06:50
karmoMamarok: in oneiric you don't need ppa. unfortunately i don't know if there is ppa for stable kubuntu versions...06:53
Mamarokah, so not available for 11.04 then06:54
* Mamarok is a sad panda :(06:55
apacheloggerMamarok: we are barely done with oneiric, so I doubt there will be 11.04 packages before final release09:53
Mamarokapachelogger: OK, thanks anyway, I can survive another 2 weeks :)09:54
apacheloggerMamarok: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QH2-TGUlwu4 09:55
apacheloggerand should that not help with making the time pass by fast.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8AOfbnGkuGc this one will09:56
apacheloggercould someone fix phonon to include the flipping qt designer plugin10:05
debfxScottK: in case you have some time, could you investigate why python-kde4 depends on libpython2.6? we can't afford having 3 python versions on the cd10:10
apacheloggeroh right10:11
apacheloggerdebfx: how much oversize do we have right now?10:12
apacheloggerI noticed last week that all images were too fat10:12
apacheloggeror was it this week10:12
debfxapachelogger: 21 MB10:12
apacheloggersome week anyway ^^10:12
apacheloggerdebfx: eek, that is rather a lot10:12
debfxkde-workspace-data +2871 kB10:16
debfxkdm +1226 kB10:16
debfxthose should be investigated as well10:16
apacheloggerwallpapers perhaps?10:17
apacheloggerjr made everything use one wallpaper file10:17
apacheloggerat one resolution10:17
apacheloggerwhich is brr anyway IMHO :S10:17
debfxwe probably need to drop libreoffice-help-en-us10:19
debfxlibreoffice opens the online documentation in a web browser when it's not there locally so it's not that bad10:20
debfxhave we already decided which wallpaper to ship by default?10:20
apacheloggerdebfx: what kde ships by default10:25
apacheloggerappmenu-gtk3 appmenu-gtk10:26
apacheloggerwhy do we need those?10:26
apacheloggerand why do we need both?10:26
debfxto make the global menu work with gtk2 and gtk3 apps10:26
apacheloggerDepends: libatk1.0-0 (>= 1.12.4), libc6 (>= 2.2.5), libcairo2 (>= 1.2.4), libdbusmenu-glib3 (>= 0.4.2), libdbusmenu-gtk3 (>= 0.4.2), libfontconfig1 (>= 2.8.0), libfreetype6 (>= 2.2.1), libgdk-pixbuf2.0-0 (>= 2.22.0), libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.26.0), libgtk2.0-0 (>= 2.21.2-0ubuntu6), libpango1.0-0 (>= 1.14.010:26
debfxboth are on the cd anyway so appmenu only adds a few kb10:26
apacheloggerdebfx: why do we have gtk3 on the cd?10:27
apacheloggerwe could ditch ksystemlog ^^10:28
debfxgconf2 recommends it10:28
* apachelogger finds the application horrible in anyways anyway10:28
apacheloggerdebfx: why do we have gconf210:28
debfxiirc gstreamer depends on it10:29
apacheloggeroh and jon the taco of course needed to use qtgstreamer in qapt10:30
apachelogger1 mib10:31
apacheloggerah, nvm, more like 100kb10:32
apacheloggervirtuoso is 3 though10:32
apacheloggerzeitgeist-core 1.110:32
apacheloggerdebfx: I suppose we also have some random growth due to docs in app packages10:34
debfxapachelogger: https://felix.fobos.de/kubuntu/kubuntu-oneiric-cd-amd64-diff.htm10:35
apacheloggereverything is getting fater all the time10:36
apacheloggerdebfx: how did you make that handy page?10:37
* apachelogger wonders why plasma-widget-networkmanagement grew10:37
debfxapachelogger: I parse the .manifest files of the images and get the package size with python-apt10:38
apacheloggerdebfx: you should totally put that in kubuntu-dev-tools ^^10:39
debfxapachelogger: all the networkmangement packages collapsed into plasma-widget-n10:39
apacheloggeror ubuntu-dev-tools10:39
apacheloggerdebfx: what other packages were there10:39
persiaOr ubuntu-qa-tools, as those are the folk most likely to be looking at this sort of thing.10:40
apacheloggerknm-runtimewas only 535kb the page sez10:40
persiaOr create a branch that automatically does this for all the flavours, and have ubuntuwire host it as a regular report.10:40
* apachelogger likes that last option10:40
apacheloggeralso it reminds me of automated package QA for some reason10:40
apacheloggerfor which I have a blog post lingering I noticed yesterday10:41
debfxapachelogger: it contains a copy of the nm solid plugin which works with nm0.910:41
apacheloggerand that is fater than 0.8 or whatever we had before?10:41
debfxthe ugly part of the script is a manual mapping of packages that have been renamed10:42
apacheloggermake it a config10:42
debfxthe nm0.8 solid plugin is in kde-workspace10:42
* apachelogger also made kde-l10n-common config driven :D10:42
apacheloggerdebfx: *is* it still there?10:42
apacheloggerif so we should like shoot it dead10:42
apacheloggerit builddeps network-manager-dev (>= 0.7.0)10:43
debfxa config would be an improvement but it should automatically detect library and kernel abi bumps10:43
apacheloggeroh right, we need to do kwingles10:44
apacheloggerdebfx: well, that should be a simple enough regex10:44
apacheloggereven though the good ol kde-workspace builddeps on nm-dev, cmake does not detect it ^^10:45
apacheloggerdebfx: no nm plugin in workspace anymore10:45
apacheloggerjust fake and wicd10:45
apacheloggerwhich makes me wonder why fake is installed actually10:46
debfxright, it would have failed the build since nm 0.8 isn't in the archive anymore10:46
apacheloggeris that plunder not api compatible?10:47
debfxnot at all10:47
debfxin fact we can't migrate nm0.8 connections at the moment10:47
apacheloggerfun software10:49
apacheloggerdebfx: so, I do not see why workspace-data grew10:49
apacheloggerof course diffing two files with different name in different revisions is not all easy to do with bzr10:49
apacheloggerperhaps there is a recursive match rule in the install though10:50
* apachelogger compares debs10:50
apacheloggerdebfx: http://paste.ubuntu.com/644703/10:53
apacheloggerjust as I suspected10:55
debfxyeah we need to get rid of those10:57
apacheloggerNokia N9501Device Sent to Customer11:01
apacheloggershadeslayer: you should consider yourself lucky that you do not have to mess with video drawing and opengl11:02
* apachelogger is twisting his brain dry11:02
shadeslayerapachelogger: el neato, whatcha going to do with the phone?11:03
shadeslayerapachelogger: i still have to mess with the dbus server which has all sorts of weird shit in it11:03
shadeslayerright now i just have one last problem to take care of and everything should be good to go11:05
shadeslayerdebfx: was the kate packaging any good?11:06
apacheloggershadeslayer: well, I'd picky a shitty dbus server over gl anyway11:06
apacheloggeras long as it has stable API11:06
shadeslayerthe API is stable, the part where you have figure out key value pairs to set a proper config, not so much11:07
apacheloggerdebfx: you could debdiff stuff you list on the diff page 11:09
apacheloggerwould make investigation easier I supose :)11:09
shadeslayerapachelogger: free for a while?11:18
debfxshadeslayer: I had to change a few things (see bzr branch)11:24
debfxkatepart still needs to be split into an own package but I'm busy fighting with qtwebkit11:25
apacheloggershadeslayer: that question will be answered with no until september 201811:25
apacheloggerI guess waiting for that to happen would be inefficient11:26
shadeslayerwhats so special about September 201811:26
shadeslayerdebfx: thanks :)11:29
debfxapachelogger: debdiff doesn't show file size changes though, right?11:29
apacheloggerdebfx: but you get the file size changes, if they are noticably different that they would show up in the tables, you get the old deb and the new and run debdiff on it, then link the resulting diff from the table11:31
apacheloggerthat way one can easily find out why the size changes11:31
apacheloggerif there were file changes11:31
apacheloggerif no files were changed but the size is different something grew, hard to get that checked11:32
apacheloggerwell, you could dpkg-deb -c and parse the size, but IMHO that is a bit unreliable and complicated11:32
apacheloggershadeslayer: so whats up?11:32
shadeslayerapachelogger: i have a QComboBox that lists the friendly names of a akonadi resource11:33
shadeslayernow i map that to the akonadi source name using a QMap, the config stores the source name, when i read the config i get the source name back and i was wondering if there was a method to set the index of the combobox to match the friendly name to the sourcename11:34
jussihrm, anyone know if I can get Kate on windows? 11:35
apacheloggerjussi: kde windows isntaller11:35
shadeslayerwhy does gmail keep changing my inbox look11:35
apacheloggershadeslayer: ehm11:35
shadeslayerapachelogger: yeah i know, i worded it poorly11:35
jussiapachelogger: I mean kate only, is that possible? 11:35
apacheloggershadeslayer: why not use a model?11:36
shadeslayerQComboBox and a model?11:36
afiestashave you had any problem compiling soprano ?11:36
apacheloggerseems much more reliable11:36
shadeslayeri didn't know that it was possib;e11:36
apacheloggerafiestas: nope11:36
afiestasI'm having some issues with raptor1 raptor2 raptorXXXXXX xd11:36
apacheloggershadeslayer: sure setModel()11:36
shadeslayeri seriously need to devote time to MVC11:37
apacheloggershadeslayer: setCurrentIndex11:37
shadeslayerapachelogger: thats what i was using11:37
shadeslayerbut its not working the way its supposed to :P11:37
apacheloggerwhy not?11:37
shadeslayerhow do i map a index to friendly name or a source name?11:38
apacheloggeryou iter over all items in the qcb and get the index of the item that matches11:38
apacheloggerthen you set that11:38
apacheloggershadeslayer: you cannot, point being that your approach is ugly as it needs to rely on strings11:38
shadeslayerthats what i thought11:38
shadeslayerwhich is why i want to avoid it11:38
apacheloggeryou need to string compare all items and then set the index to the one that matches11:38
apacheloggerwith a model you'd be able to find the index within the model11:39
shadeslayerright, but i don't want to do that because thats very sub optimal11:39
shadeslayerreading up on models then11:39
apacheloggerand inside the model you can ensure persitant indexes etc.11:39
apacheloggershadeslayer: can the friendly names be translated?11:39
yofelafiestas: we have soprano 2.6.51 which carries a raptor2 patch11:40
yofelyou probably want that11:40
shadeslayerapachelogger: like i18n calls?11:40
apacheloggershadeslayer: if so you want to avoid string compares all and entirely11:40
afiestasyofel: I do! I do11:40
apacheloggershadeslayer: for example11:40
apacheloggershadeslayer: I dunno what a friendly name is :P11:40
apacheloggernor where it comes from11:40
afiestasthough trueg told me that raptor2 support is not finished and fully working yet11:40
shadeslayerapachelogger: like "Personal Contacts"11:40
afiestasthere is one bug left or something like that11:40
apacheloggerbut since it is friendly and UI visible it supposedly should be translated11:40
apacheloggerso you cannot rely on strings11:40
shadeslayerand the source name would be akonadi:?collection=4111:40
apacheloggerif the user changes his language all will fall apart11:40
yofelafiestas: well, we can't really choose here either :S11:40
shadeslayerapachelogger: yeah, thats something that hit me last night as well11:41
yofelafiestas: you know where to get the patch from?11:41
apacheloggershadeslayer: collection number is unique I guess?11:41
apacheloggershadeslayer: there surely is a way to uniquely identify an akonadi resource instance/collection11:41
apacheloggerand that is the value you want to look up/store11:41
afiestasyofel: nope, but wait seems that trunk is compiling well against extra/soprano 2.6.50 which is the one ship with the distro I'm using righ now11:42
afiestasif it compiles with the distro one, is good enough :p11:42
yofelwell, sounds new enough ^^11:42
shadeslayerapachelogger: yeah, collection number is unique11:42
shadeslayerapachelogger: thats not the problem, i can easily make a QStringMap which maps everything easily during initial ui setup11:43
apacheloggerso you'd have a model of at least an internal index mapping to your uuid and the name of that item11:43
shadeslayerthe problem is when i need to read the config11:43
shadeslayerand set appropriate values11:43
apacheloggerthat is why you only store the uuid11:43
apacheloggeri.e. the collection number11:43
shadeslayeroh, then i can read the index of the combobox11:44
shadeslayerand use the appropriate source name to use in the config11:44
apacheloggersomething like that, yes11:44
shadeslayersounds about right11:45
* shadeslayer goes implementing11:45
apacheloggershadeslayer: did you break kdevelop?11:47
apacheloggeris kdevelop broken because you broke kate?11:47
apacheloggeris kate fixed yet?11:47
yofelwhat's broken with kdevelop?11:49
apacheloggerkdevelop uses the katepart11:49
apacheloggerso if katepart is still kaput, kdevelop will be too11:49
yofelwell, if you're not using ninja kate it'll probably be broken11:50
yofelshadeslayer: put katepart into seperate package?11:50
shadeslayersure can do11:51
shadeslayerdebfx: ^^ is that alright on your end?11:51
yofelwould be good IMO since a ton of apps seems to use it11:51
* yofel checks if anything else was moved there from kdelibs5-plugins11:52
shadeslayeri'll do in a bit, have some other things i need to take care of right now11:53
shadeslayer*do it in a ...11:53
yofelthere's also a ton of katepart related stuff in -data11:54
yofelwhich was in kdelibs5-data before11:54
apacheloggermarkey: remember that?11:54
apacheloggerwow, them good ol' times, how I miss them11:55
yofelshadeslayer: usr/lib/kde4/ktexteditor_* was also in kdelibs5-plugins, so that probably belongs to katepart too (maybe...)11:55
yofelLOL @ video ^^11:56
shadeslayeryeah ^^ :P11:56
shadeslayerthats more like the Qt 5 Dance xD11:57
apacheloggerwhow so?12:00
markeyapachelogger: yeah, I always hated it :p12:15
apacheloggerawww, you have no taste whatsoever12:15
shadeslayerapachelogger: this is weird, mapping the QComboBox index to source name gives me : 0   "akonadi:?collection=16" 12:30
shadeslayer0   "akonadi:?collection=41"12:30
shadeslayeri wonder why that value is not incremented12:31
apacheloggerI do not understand12:33
ubottuYum! Err, I mean, APT!12:38
yofelhm, thinking about katepart, we'll have to make kdelibs5-plugins depend on that package for transitional reasons, or stuff like kdevelop or kile won't work since they don't depend on it12:39
yofelcan someone upload mobipocket so that get's reviewed?12:47
debfxyofel: have you fixed the problem that it installs a okular desktop file with mimetypes but doesn't depend on okular?12:53
debfxapachelogger said adding TryExec=okular would fix it12:53
yofelhm, nope, but pretty much everything in the package except the strigi plugin has something todo with okular so I would rather make it depend on okular12:55
yofelfor some reason I didn't get a lintian warning though12:56
apacheloggeryofel: depend is the wrong relationship12:56
apacheloggerif anything it should be recommends12:57
apachelogger+ tryexec is in order anyway12:57
debfxyofel: then you should fix your lintian :)12:57
yofelI currently made it enhance okular12:57
debfxit should emit W: mobipocket: desktop-command-not-in-package usr/share/applications/kde4/okularApplication_mobi.desktop okular12:57
yofelI'll make it recommend it and file a bug upstream12:59
yofeland add a patch for tryexec12:59
apacheloggerNightrose: do you know if eean submitted the mid term eval yet? I cant seem to reach him13:01
* yofel goes reading desktop file spec13:01
yofelapachelogger: if I understand this right you need both Exec and TryExec?13:02
apacheloggeryofel: yes, TryExec is nothing but a prerequisite13:03
apacheloggerif tryexec fails the desktop file will not be displayed13:03
apacheloggersorta like conditional NoDisplay13:03
Nightroseapachelogger: he did13:04
apacheloggeralso TryExec does not have to be the same as Exec, essentially you could have an inline shell expression there13:04
apacheloggerNightrose: kthx13:04
apacheloggerwhat should I be blogging about this weekend?13:14
apacheloggerautomated package QA thoughts or more phonon qml stuff?13:14
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CIA-52[lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/mobipocket] Philip Muškovac * 11 * debian/ (5 files in 2 dirs) recommend okular and use TryExec in okularApplication_mobi.desktop13:29
yofeldebfx: ^13:29
apacheloggerwhat do we do with plasma-widget-kubuntu-feedback?13:30
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debfxyofel: hm, you only renamed the binary package?13:30
* debfx doesn't like those generic names13:31
debfxapachelogger: rm -rf13:31
yofelfeel free to change it again, but I don't see why we should split it up since most of that is for okular13:31
apacheloggerdebfx: wanna do that now or I should make a work item?13:32
debfxyofel: I mean renaming the source package to kdegraphics-mobipocket13:32
debfxapachelogger: looks like it's already removed13:33
yofelyou'll need to rename the tarball then, which I wouldn't do without talking to upstream first, or that'll be quite error prone13:33
debfxapachelogger: what do you think? ^13:33
apacheloggerdebfx: from archive too?13:33
apacheloggeryofel: why is that error prone?13:33
apacheloggeryofel: FWIW IMHO upstream should also rename the tar to kdegraphics-mobipocket13:34
apacheloggermobipocket is no good name for that tar13:34
debfxyes, from the archive, where else do we need to remove it?13:34
yofelhm, nvm that, I'll send a mail to one of the maintainers13:34
apacheloggerdebfx: seed13:34
yofeldebfx: FWIW, I'm not against renaming it, so if you want to rename the source too go ahead13:35
debfxyofel: ok, I'll upload it later today or tomorrow13:36
apacheloggeryofel, debfx: renaming the binary because of generic name but not the source seems like bougs application of pita policies :P13:36
yofelhm, who decided the tar names? the maintainers or dirk?13:37
apacheloggertar == repo name13:38
apacheloggerbut dirk should be able to override that13:38
apacheloggeryofel: just mail kde-release13:38
apacheloggeror whatever the list of the release team is13:38
apacheloggerI keep forgetting ^^13:38
yofelrelease-team@kde.org I think13:39
yofelI'll do that then13:39
CIA-52[lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/meta-kde] Philip Muškovac * 8 * debian/ (changelog control) mobipocket was renamed to kdegraphics-mobipocket13:41
yofelapachelogger: something like this? http://paste.kde.org/9712313:52
apacheloggerhold on13:53
apacheloggeryofel: perhaps make it more about how mobipocket is not reflecting the content at all13:53
apacheloggeras it would suggest it contains an app called mobipocket13:53
apacheloggerwhich is not the case13:53
yofelok, "... since it's not the only source that deals with mobipocket files and doesn't contain a "mobipocket" application either as you would think seeing how the other tarballs are named."13:54
* apachelogger had too much coffee13:55
apacheloggerway too much13:55
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shadeslayerapachelogger: shouldn't the sekrit chan be retired15:10
shadeslayerseeing how there are only a few of us15:10
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yofelwhich one?15:15
shadeslayerthe bunker15:16
yofelwasn't that from pre-ktown-ssh-access times?15:17
yofelrm -f15:18
shadeslayerand now there are just 3 of us in there, just close it down i say15:18
shadeslayerNightrose: doesn't the appu up event eat up into DS timings?15:20
Nightroseshadeslayer: a bit yes15:20
shadeslayerhmm ... better to attend the one on the 21st then15:20
shadeslayerNightrose: btw has Dinesh submitted my evaluation, he has a bad internet connection and i can't get to him15:21
Nightroseshadeslayer: yes - all fine - he's not on my poking list15:22
yofeloh you're done? fix kate then :P15:23
shadeslayeri'm ~done15:23
* yofel makes some natty backports for kdevelop15:23
shadeslayerjust a small piece of code left that for some reason isn't working even tho it's supposed to work15:24
shadeslayeryofel: i'll have a look at kate after dinner, my brain is kaput after looking at code all day15:24
yofelharald has coffee to spare, get some from him :P15:25
shadeslayerno coffee for me, i'll be up all night and then i'll be back to my old sleep schedule15:25
yofelanyone an idea why we have no bzr branches for the kdevelop stuff?15:33
shadeslayeryofel: i think we have branches for packages that involve alot of effort in maintaining15:35
yofelah, well, not important15:35
shadeslayerkdevelop probably doesn't need alot of people working on it, pretty much the same reason rekonq doesn't have a branch15:36
yofelyou kdevplatfrom package uses boost 1.42 btw. I'll fix it15:36
shadeslayerfeel free to, i need to make a release by tuesday15:36
shadeslayeror i'll get some whooping15:36
shadeslayerweird how updating works but adding doesn't :/15:37
shadeslayerNightrose: here's something for you http://nyan.cat/16:18
Nightroseshadeslayer: OMMG!16:19
yofelmake someone listen to that for a day nonstop and he'll have a cat phobia ^^16:20
shadeslayeror he'll see cats pooping rainbows everywhere16:20
kubotushadeslayer meant: "or they'll see cats pooping rainbows everywhere"16:20
shadeslayeryofel: have you seen this? http://wiki.desktopsummit.org/Workshops_%26_BoFs/2011/KDE_Buildsystem_BoF16:26
shadeslayerwell, now you have 16:32
yofelwhat's that supposed to be? some cmake-addon-like-thing so the build stuff is in one place instead of every component having to care about their own scripts?16:33
shadeslayersuper builds?16:34
yofeluh, you mean it's supposed to create batched up release tars?16:35
shadeslayerafaik its a CMakeLists.txt file that will pull in git repos and build them like the earlier KDE versions16:35
shadeslayeryofel: https://projects.kde.org/projects/kde/superbuild16:35
yofeldidn't someone write that already?16:36
shadeslayeri didn't know CMake could init git repos and pull sources until i saw that project16:37
yofelme neither, but I heard of that on -packagers already16:37
shadeslayeri'm the lord of borkage16:43
shadeslayeri just made one thing work, and broke 3 other things16:43
yofelnew person to blame when something wroks: GET16:44
shadeslayeryay, now the server works16:44
shadeslayerweird shit16:44
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yofel3000s, if I hear this cat any longer I'll go crazy17:09
shadeslayeryofel: lol17:29
shadeslayeryofel: just mute it? :P17:29
yofelclosed it17:29
vikapimy rkonq crashes quite frequently.i guess its after i installd flash-plugin.19:10
vikapihow can i confirm?19:10
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