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* skaet waves14:59
* rsalveti waves14:59
skaethi rsalveti,  welcome.  :)14:59
jdstrandhi :)15:00
rsalvetiskaet: :-)15:00
* joshuahoover waves15:00
skaetlooks like its about that time,   nice to see you all.  :)15:00
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skaet[Topic] Oneiric Release Meeting overview - skaet_15:00
skaetAgenda is at:15:00
skaet[LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ReleaseTeam/Meeting/2011-07-1515:00
skaetEvents Approaching:15:00
MootBotNew Topic:  Oneiric Release Meeting overview - skaet_15:00
MootBotLINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ReleaseTeam/Meeting/2011-07-1515:00
skaetBugs targetted for this release can be found:15:01
skaet[LINK] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/oneiric/+bugs15:01
MootBotLINK received:  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/oneiric/+bugs15:01
skaetBugs milestoned for oneiric alpha 3 are at:15:01
skaet[LINK] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/oneiric/+bugs?field.milestone%3Alist=3914215:01
MootBotLINK received:  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/oneiric/+bugs?field.milestone%3Alist=3914215:01
skaetReminder:   please use ".." on separate line when you've finished typing.   If someone wants to comment during the updates, please "o/", so we know to wait.15:01
* skaet looks around for questions?15:01
skaetif none,  and I see that jibel_ has joined us..  time for the round table. :)15:02
skaet[TOPIC] QA team update -  jibel15:02
MootBotNew Topic:  QA team update -  jibel15:02
jibelHi all15:03
jibel= Automated Testing progress =15:03
jibel * 3rd server setup in the QA lab and delivered to mvo to migrate upgrade tests15:03
jibel * DX Testing15:03
jibel   * dx team provided a list of packages with build-time tests.15:03
jibel   * patrickmv to have a further discussion on tests with specific graphics hardware requirements15:03
jibel * IPv6 Testing15:04
jibel   * patrickmw working with Foundations team.  Test plan is complete.15:04
jibel * Other projects15:04
jibel   * Wubi - 1 system integrated to Jenkins for daily testing, a second system is being configured for parallel testing.15:04
jibelUbuntu Testing:15:04
jibel * 10.04.315:04
jibel   * Smoke Tested alternate|desktop|server amd64|i386: OK15:04
jibel   * English|Non-english: OK15:04
jibel   * OEM: OK (1 one-time failure but never been able to reproduce)15:05
jibel * nVidia/ATI proprietary driver15:05
jibel   * Sent Call for testing on July 13th15:05
jibel   * Instructions at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Testing/ProprietaryDrivers/Oneiric/VideoDrivers15:05
jibel   * Participation is low. So please teams, if you're running Oneiric on hardware with these graphics cards, help with testing the proprietary drivers.15:05
jibelOther topic related to graphics card support15:06
jibel * Dual monitor support in Oneiric:15:06
jibel  * Test of Intel Card all failed, the following bugs need attention from the DX team:15:06
jibel   * bug 81097115:06
ubottuLaunchpad bug 810971 in compiz (Ubuntu Oneiric) "External monitor causes screen corruption" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/81097115:06
jibel   * bug 80867715:06
ubottuLaunchpad bug 808677 in compiz (Ubuntu Oneiric) "Failed to activate external monitor (dual monitor mode)" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/80867715:06
jibel   * bug 80868515:06
ubottuLaunchpad bug 808685 in compiz (Ubuntu Oneiric) "Corrupted display after switching to external monitor (1 active monitor)" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/80868515:06
jibel   * bug 73334615:06
ubottuLaunchpad bug 733346 in compiz (Ubuntu Oneiric) "compiz crashed with SIGSEGV in i915_emit_state()" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/73334615:06
jibelthis was tested on Arrandale, Pineview and GM96515:07
jibel* Other Bug activity15:07
jibel  * cjwatson announced that transition to /run would be rocky...15:07
jibelIt was.15:07
skaetlol,  indeed.15:07
jibelI won't go through the bug list.15:07
cjwatsonI think we're past the worst of it now15:08
pittiis there still major things left with /run now?15:08
cjwatsonor hope, anyway15:08
cjwatsonthere may still be partial upgrade problems15:08
pittioh, for sure15:08
pittibut oneiric as of today should actually work quite smoothly again15:08
jibelright the trend of incoming bug caused by the transition to /run is slowing down.15:09
jibelTalking about launchpad activity:15:09
jibel788 new bugs reported during last week15:09
jibel60% are duplicates (it makes 316 new bugs and the retracer is still running)15:09
jibel72% are software crashes (apport-crash)15:09
jibel5% are package installation failures15:09
jibelNoticeable bugs new and still opened:15:10
pittiI spent an hour on the retracer today, it was broken because of, guess what, /run15:10
pittifakechroot is a nuisance :/15:10
jibel* zeitgeist : bug 807950 and bug 80707615:10
ubottuLaunchpad bug 807950 in zeitgeist (Ubuntu Oneiric) "zeitgeist-daemon crashed with LookupError in remove_from_connection(): <_zeitgeist.engine.remote.RemoteInterface at /org/gnome/zeitgeist/log/activity at 0xb74ee2cc> is not exported at a location matching (None,None)" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/80795015:10
ubottuLaunchpad bug 807076 in Zeitgeist Framework "raptor2 not supported" [Low,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/80707615:10
jibelupdate-manager : bug 80771515:10
ubottuLaunchpad bug 807715 in update-manager (Ubuntu Oneiric) "Missing dependency on gir1.2-gconf-2.0" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/80771515:10
jibelgnome-settings-daemon :  lot of assertion failures in xcb_io.c (bug 804896 , bug 804221)15:11
ubottuLaunchpad bug 804896 in gnome-settings-daemon (Ubuntu Oneiric) "gnome-settings-daemon assert failure: gnome-settings-daemon: ../../src/xcb_io.c:140: dequeue_pending_request: Assertion `req == dpy->xcb->pending_requests' failed." [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/80489615:11
ubottuLaunchpad bug 804221 in gnome-settings-daemon (Ubuntu) "gnome-settings-daemon assert failure: gnome-settings-daemon: ../../src/xcb_io.c:515: _XReply: Assertion `!dpy->xcb->reply_data' failed." [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/80422115:11
jibeljockey bug 80470915:11
ubottuError: Launchpad bug 804709 could not be found15:11
jibelsorry, it's private15:11
* skaet notes 807076 probably needs its importance adjusted....15:11
jibelany question ?15:11
skaetThanks jibel!15:11
pittijibel: FYI, retracers are down again15:11
pittiI now get a crash on upgrade15:12
skaetvery much appreciate the smoke test results for 10.04.3 :)15:12
jibelpitti, too many crashes, I'm sorry for them.15:12
pittineed to sit down on Monday to figure out a workaround15:13
skaet[TOPIC] Hardware Certification team update - mlegris15:15
MootBotNew Topic:  Hardware Certification team update - mlegris15:15
mlegrisHi all15:15
skaethi :)15:15
mlegris[Week 28]15:15
mlegris* No report this week due to images build failures15:15
mlegris* Until Thursday, 20110705.1 was the last image published15:15
mlegris* Thursday’s image was unable to install properly15:15
mlegris* Today’s image is able to install, but the full test run would need more time15:15
mlegrisBug #810145 - unity-panel-service crashes15:15
ubottuError: Launchpad bug 810145 could not be found15:15
mlegrisBug #708286 - Resume after suspend not working - Toshiba Tecra R700R15:16
ubottuLaunchpad bug 708286 in linux (Ubuntu Oneiric) "Resume after suspend not working - Toshiba Tecra R700" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/70828615:16
skaetthanks mlegris :)15:16
skaetmlegris,  any concerns about 10.04.3 from your team's perspective?  (for next week's release)15:17
skaetara, brendand ^^ :)15:17
mlegrisskaet: not to my knowledge15:17
aranothing, the kernel looks fine15:17
skaetthanks ara, mlegris :)15:18
brendandi can't imagine. maybe we should have a closer look though - there are candidates available now?15:18
skaetbrendand,  smoke test images that jibel used15:18
brendandskaet - thanks15:19
skaetbrendand,  candidates will probably be going on the tracker this weekend,  or early monday.15:19
skaetany other questions for cert team?15:19
skaet[TOPIC] Security team update - jdstrand15:19
MootBotNew Topic:  Security team update - jdstrand15:19
jdstrand[LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/ReleaseStatus/Oneiric15:19
MootBotLINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/ReleaseStatus/Oneiric15:19
jdstrand[LINK] http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/oneiric/canonical-security.html15:19
MootBotLINK received:  http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/oneiric/canonical-security.html15:19
jdstrandAfter a flurry of work item activity this week and at the rally, we are below the trend line for our assigned work items in our blueprints, and have completed the 'Essential' work items for this cycle. Due to our commitment to reactive security, our team only commits to completing 'Essential' work items during the development cycle. We will continue to work at completing our other ones as time allows.15:19
jdstrandWe fixed several apparmor profiling bugs, including those introduced by the recent /run udev changes (with help from pitti).15:20
jdstrandLooking at the (very long) list of oneiric bugs, I don't see anything else worth highlighting other than to ask about what is being done about the very long list of ftbfs bugs for gcc-4.6. Obviously, these packages are not supportable by my team if they don't build (forgive me if this has been asked/answered before).15:20
skaetThanks jdstrand!15:20
skaetThere is a way of excluding the ftbfs,  which helps make the list a little more digestible.15:21
skaetsee the link on the a3 bugs for the pattern.15:21
pitti(search for the "-ftbfs" tag)15:21
jdstrandI would be interested in that, but mostly I want them buildable again, so if me team needs to patch something, it will actually build15:21
cjwatsonthe numbers are dropping too, but it will take time15:21
cjwatsonunbuildable count 20% down from two weeks ago, according to doko15:22
jdstrandthat's good news15:22
skaetack, on those workitems issue,  thanks for letting me know.15:22
jdstrandit is of course still quite early to be overly concerned15:22
jdstrandcjwatson: thanks15:22
skaetyup,  nice seeing the unbuildable going down.15:22
skaetany other question for jdstrand ?15:22
skaet[TOPIC] Kernel team update - ogasawara15:23
MootBotNew Topic:  Kernel team update - ogasawara15:23
ogasawaraOverall status is reported at the first link below.  Burn down for oneiric-alpha-3 is at the second link below.  Burndown for the cycle is at the third link:15:23
ogasawara[LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/ReleaseStatus/Oneiric15:23
ogasawara[LINK] http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/oneiric/canonical-kernel-team-oneiric-alpha-3.html15:23
ogasawara[LINK] http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/oneiric/canonical-kernel-team.svg15:23
MootBotLINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/ReleaseStatus/Oneiric15:23
MootBotLINK received:  http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/oneiric/canonical-kernel-team-oneiric-alpha-3.html15:23
MootBotLINK received:  http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/oneiric/canonical-kernel-team.svg15:23
ogasawaraWe uploaded the Ubuntu 3.0.0-5.6 kernel this week.  The most notable change is the rebase onto the 3.0-rc7 mainline kernel.  We anticipate the final 3.0 upstream kernel to land relatively soon.  Also, we are trending below the Alpha3 burn down line, with the remaining items not being release critical.15:23
ogasawaraOf the bugs called out on the agenda against the kernel, status is as follows:15:23
ogasawara#542660: looks to be related to EFI boot not loading the video bios into ram.15:23
ogasawara#557261: no confirmation with a 3.0 kernel and not convinced the warning output by the radeon driver is the root cause of the usb-creator persistence issue.  Bug reporter has followed up in the upstream bug report regarding the driver warning.15:23
ogasawara#754711: looks to be nouveau breaking suspend, asked for confirmation with a v3.0 Oneiric kernel.15:23
ogasawara#758486: kernel dev was unable to reproduce in Natty, needs confirmaton for Oneiric.15:23
ogasawara#760131: partly fixed in Oneiric and soon natty, more analysis ongoing upstream.15:23
ogasawara#784937: seems that names of disk devices have changed, investigation by kernel dev still ongoing as well as discussion with upstream.15:23
ogasawara#790712: the order 5 allocation seems to be bogus, waiting analysis of debug information.15:23
ogasawara#791850: seems to be triggered by an amazon side change which amazon is investigating; awaiting feedback.15:23
ogasawara#806113: assigned to kernel dev.  investigation is in its early phase, no additional information available at this time.15:23
ogasawara#800697: Fix Released.15:23
skaetThanks ogasawara! :)15:24
* skaet doesn't see questions so moving on....15:24
skaet[TOPIC] Foundations team update - cjwatson15:25
MootBotNew Topic:  Foundations team update - cjwatson15:25
cjwatsonFeature progress this week:15:25
cjwatson * foundations-o-multiarch-next-steps: As of tomorrow's CD images, multiarch is enabled by default on amd64.  Let's hope it works!  Launchpad changes to reduce the bandwidth hit are ready for merging, but will probably take a few more weeks to be deployed.15:25
cjwatson * defect analysis: Several important improvements to apport hooks, especially blocking installer bugs due to I/O errors in squashfs and package installation bugs due to dpkg failing to extract a package's data tarball; over time these alone should significantly reduce our incoming bug count15:25
cjwatson * foundations-o-wubi: New-style Wubi second-stage builds integrated into cdimage.  IronPython executable bundle down to ~8.5MB.15:25
cjwatson * desktop-o-gtk3-gnome3: Still working on PyGI port of ubiquity; should be done soon.  update-manager ported.15:26
cjwatson * foundations-o-ubiquity: More work on the wireless page.  Implemented passphrase handling.15:26
cjwatson * Upstart: Some progress on disabling jobs.15:26
cjwatson * packageselection-foundations-n-event-based-initramfs: mountall stop-timer branch landed.  Work on documentation and initramfs integration, and getting everything into a PPA.15:26
cjwatson * foundations-o-debdelta: Set up prototype server implementation; awaiting IS work for deployment (RT#46678).15:26
cjwatsonThe /run transition is now at the point where only maybe the odd thing is broken, rather than the entire world.  See http://wiki.debian.org/ReleaseGoals/RunDirectory for what to do in Ubuntu-specific packages that use the old filesystem locations.15:26
cjwatsonThe build failure count is at about 720, down from 900 two weeks ago.15:26
cjwatsonUbuntu 10.04.3 imminent.  Things mostly look OK, but there's some verification to catch up on, especially of installer updates.15:26
pitticurious, "multiarch enabled by default:?15:26
pittithat apparently goes beyond of what we have had since natty?15:27
cjwatsondpkg/apt will be set up to fetch i386 Packages files as well as amd64 by default15:27
cjwatsonthe technical implementation is now reduced to putting 'foreign-architecture i386' in /etc/dpkg/dpkg.cfg.d/multiarch15:27
cjwatsonand some cdimage adjustments15:28
cjwatsonit's preseedable in the installer so people can play with different combinations15:28
skaetThanks, cjwatson.  :)    Any other questions?15:28
cjwatsonthis should let us actually get rid of ia32-libs, with some more conversion work15:28
Daviey(what about flash?)15:29
DavieyIIRC that used ia32-libs?15:29
cjwatsonapt-get install flashplugin-installer:i38615:29
Davieyoh, groovy.15:29
MootBotLINK received:  http://web.dodds.net/~vorlon/wiki/blog/Multiarch_Monomania/15:29
rsalvetialso, in theory we adobe released flash for 64 bits15:30
cjwatsonyes, well, we've heard that before15:30
cjwatsonanyway, flash was never the sole use case15:30
cjwatsonwe should move on :)15:30
skaet[TOPIC] Server team update - Daviey15:30
MootBotNew Topic:  Server team update - Daviey15:30
DavieyFeature Development:15:31
MootBotLINK received:  http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-oneiric/group/topic-oneiric-server-overview.html15:31
DavieyLargely we seem on track.  We made some very large changes to the direction of Orchestra which caused some disruption, but seems we are on track with our current feature set.  The one blueprint of slight concern is server-o-boot-experience.15:31
DavieyBugs pertinent to Oneiric Server release:15:31
Davieyhttp://pb.daviey.com/Pv0b/raw/ (rather than flood.)15:31
MootBotLINK received:  http://pb.daviey.com/Pv0b/raw/ (rather than flood.)15:31
Daviey^^ Including:15:31
Daviey- bugs we are working on.15:31
Daviey- bugs other teams are working on.15:31
Daviey- MIR's we are tracking.15:31
DavieyNote, that euca2ools are currently volatile pending update - as boto2.0 had landed.15:31
DavieyWe are also making significant changes to how we handle incoming bug process... watch this space.15:31
Ursinhaoh yeah15:32
skaetThanks Daviey, Ursinha  :)15:32
* skaet will go cross check that link against the agenda after the meeting15:32
skaetany questions?15:32
skaet[TOPIC] ARM team update - ogra15:33
MootBotNew Topic:  ARM team update - ogra15:33
ogra_me !15:33
ogra_= Full Status is at: =15:33
ogra_= Summary =15:33
ogra_ - "Preinstalled pool" for the server is about to land15:33
ogra_ - Live build issues with filesystem resize speed are still being investigated15:33
ogra_ - jenkins integration for automated image testing has been worked on15:33
ogra_ - OMAP3 kernel segfaults are still an issue15:33
ogra_ - Work on fixing the kernel/bootloader postinst handling is landing today15:33
ogra_ - Cleanup of jasper (our resizing tool) is ongoing15:33
ogra_ - AC100 kernel and kernel metapackage as well as flash-kernel support has landed in oneiric15:33
ogra_ - ocaml is badly broken on arm currently, NCommander is working on fixing it15:33
ogra_ - "ubuntu-core" tarball builds are landing today15:33
ogra_= Image Status =15:33
ogra_ - Desktop images built last on the 13th and fail sin ce due to archive skew once again15:33
ogra_ - Server images build and install fine15:33
ogra_ - Netboot images work fine15:34
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ogra_= Specs =15:34
ogra_ * Entire http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/oneiric/ubuntu-armel.html15:34
ogra_ * A3 http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/oneiric/ubuntu-armel-oneiric-alpha-2.html15:34
ogra_additionally, infinity will help out linaro to bootstrap armhf the next weeks15:34
ogra_since thats behind schedule15:34
pittiogra_: alpha-3.html :)15:34
rsalvetiocaml is bringing a lot of ftbfs :-(15:34
ogra_rsalveti, since several weeks already15:35
skaetThanks ogra_ !  :)    re:  AC100 images - *\o/*15:35
ogra_all ocaml apps segfault15:35
skaetAny outlook on when we'll be getting OMAP3 images again?15:36
ogra_no, i dont know if the kernel team already found the issue, i dont think they did yet15:37
rsalvetianyone taking care of the omap3 issue?15:37
ogra_ppisati, ?? did you take a look already )or cooloney) ?15:37
skaetogasawara, ^^ ?15:37
ogra_thats bug 806113 btw15:37
ubottuLaunchpad bug 806113 in linux (Ubuntu) "Series of segfaults early in the kernel boot process on omap." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/80611315:37
ogasawaraI though ppisati was looking into it, I'll ping him15:38
* skaet notes that the importance and status on that one needs some updating :P15:38
ogra_i think he was swamped in CVEs last week15:38
ogasawaraogra_: I'll raise it in #ubuntu-kernel and get back to you15:38
skaetfair 'nuf.  :)15:38
skaetany other questions?15:38
skaetThanks ogra_ :)15:39
skaet[TOPIC] ARM team update - ogra15:39
MootBotNew Topic:  ARM team update - ogra15:39
skaetbad paste....15:39
pittiwhat got fixed in the last 3 mins? :)15:39
skaet[TOPIC] Linaro update - rsalvetti15:39
MootBotNew Topic:  Linaro update - rsalvetti15:39
rsalveti- Linux Linaro to be released over next week, based on 3.015:39
rsalveti- Gcc 4.6 and 4.5 to be released next Thursday: https://launchpad.net/gcc-linaro/+milestone/4.6-2011.0715:39
rsalveti- Qemu also to be released next Thursday: https://launchpad.net/qemu-linaro/+milestone/2011.0715:39
rsalveti- Currently testing libjpeg-turbo on Oneiric, and follow up to see if it's desired to integrate it during this cycle still15:39
rsalveti- First snapshot of Linaro U-Boot uploaded: 2011.07.1-0ubuntu1, fixing bug #80901515:39
rsalveti- Linaro Ubuntu Blueprint list target for 11.07: https://launchpad.net/linaro-ubuntu/+milestone/11.0715:40
ubottuLaunchpad bug 809015 in u-boot-linaro (Ubuntu) "u-boot lacks unique mac address on Pandaboard while netbooting" [Low,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/80901515:40
skaetThanks rsalveti :)15:40
rsalvetimost components will be released next week15:40
rsalvetithen we'll work to land the most important bits at oneiric15:40
rsalvetilibjpeg-turbo is something we need to work together15:40
rsalvetias if we decide to move to libjpeg-8 then don't know if we should move to the -turbo now15:41
rsalvetias it's only 100% abi compatible and such with libjpeg-615:41
rsalvetiwe'll do some testing and see how it goes first15:41
skaetAssuming that .. is done.  ;)   Thanks!   will the eglibc bug 775849 in the agenda be fixed in the next drop?15:42
ubottuLaunchpad bug 775849 in eglibc (Ubuntu) "[armel] eglibc test regressions on armel in oneiric" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/77584915:42
pittirsalveti: is that a patch for libjpeg62, or a reimplementation?15:43
rsalvetiskaet: hopefully, I'm pinging the toolchain WG folks to check the bug status15:43
skaetthanks rsalveti :)15:43
rsalvetipitti: an optimized fork15:43
rsalvetithat firefox and chromium is already using15:43
skaetany other questions?15:44
skaet[TOPIC] Ubuntu One Team -  Chickapa or joshuahoover15:44
MootBotNew Topic:  Ubuntu One Team -  Chickapa or joshuahoover15:44
pittiChipaca: ^15:44
pitti(to get proper highlight)15:45
skaetChipaca: even.... sorry about that.  :)15:45
* skaet has corrected her list...15:45
ChipacaI am unprepared. joshuahoover?15:45
skaetok, will move along for now.    If there's some updates,  please add at end.  :)15:46
skaet[TOPIC] Desktop Team update - pitti15:46
MootBotNew Topic:  Desktop Team update - pitti15:46
pittiLots of time spent this week on cleaning up after the `/run` transition, which broke quite a lot.15:47
pittisoftware-center port to GTK3 making great progress, should land for Alpha-3.15:47
pittiMathieu finished his C rewrite of usb_modeswitch, which will get us rid of Tcl; needs code review now15:47
pittiGot sunpinyin and dependencies into main (new Chinese input support), now on the CDs. + 4 MB increase, though; we eventually want to offload this to the Chinese Edition15:47
pittiWork item status: falling a bit behind on alpha-3, but on track for final release. But we have a bunch of blueprints which can easily be postponed to the next cycle, to concentrate on bug fixing after alpha-3.15:47
pittiModerate progress on RC bugs; no serious alpha-3 breakers right now, but bug Bug:806064 needs some attention for Edubuntu; will ask Robert about it next Monday15:47
pittiAs usual, details of RC bugs on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/ReleaseStatus#rcbugs15:47
pittiCD size got 20 MB worse since alpha 2, mostly as the old Chinese input method `ibus-pinyin` is still on the CDs and in main for yet unknown reasons; to be investigated. Also, Firefox grew by 3.3 MB due to the switch from -Os to -O3; we have a nice potential fix, but currently fails to build on the buildds.15:47
skaetThanks pitti.  :)15:47
skaetack on the CD size15:48
pittiI was quite shocked to see them after the ten days of not building them :/15:48
* skaet sees release notes on the subject of A3 as quite likely...15:48
pittibut fortunately 15 MB of the 20 MB growth is due to the ibus-pinyin issue15:48
skaetokie.    there's hope then.  :)15:48
pittiat this point I'm quite lost, though15:49
skaetmaybe not.15:49
pittiit's not in germinate, not in checkrdepends15:49
cjwatsonuh, when I looked, it wasn't on the CDs either15:49
pittiit was on yesterday's15:49
cjwatsoncdimage@antimony:~/cdimage/www/full/daily-live/current$ grep ibus-pinyin *.manifest *.list15:49
pittiit fell off today?15:49
cjwatsonit wasn't there when you asked yesterday15:49
cjwatsonI checked and responded on #ubuntu-devel15:49
cjwatsonthere was a .1 build yesterday, so it might have fallen off in that15:50
pittiok, then I need to re-check, as today's images are still 730 MB15:50
cjwatsoni386 is 736MB[Di though15:50
skaetany other questions for pitti?15:51
skaet[TOPIC] Desktop Experience Team Update - dbarth or njpatel15:51
MootBotNew Topic:  Desktop Experience Team Update - dbarth or njpatel15:51
skaethmm... not seeing either in the channel.15:52
skaetok,  moving on.15:52
skaet[TOPIC] Kubuntu Team update - ScottK15:52
MootBotNew Topic:  Kubuntu Team update - ScottK15:52
skaetok, we'll see if we can catchup with ScottK later15:53
skaet[TOPIC] Edubuntu Team update - highvoltage15:53
MootBotNew Topic:  Edubuntu Team update - highvoltage15:53
skaethmm... will move on then here too...15:54
skaet[TOPIC] Xubuntu Team update - charlie-tca15:55
MootBotNew Topic:  Xubuntu Team update - charlie-tca15:55
charlie-tcaDesktop images were available starting yesterday15:55
charlie-tcaWe need help with two bugs, that are blocking most of the work:15:55
charlie-tca* Bug 799754 has a patch attached, but the patch needs work. It won't work for all uses yet.15:55
ubottuLaunchpad bug 799754 in lightdm (Ubuntu) "Please let vendors easily provide their own config" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/79975415:55
charlie-tca* Bug 804734 has been pushed upstream to Xorg.15:55
ubottuLaunchpad bug 804734 in xorg (Ubuntu) "Please ship 60xdg_path-on-session like gdm" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/80473415:55
skaetThanks charlie-tca! :)15:55
joshuahooverskaet: sorry, missed the earlier call for u1...let me know when you'd like me to go15:56
skaetcharlie-tca,  Looks like the second bug has a fix committed,  is more still needed?15:56
skaetjoshuahoover, ok after Toolchain and MOTU :)  thanks.15:57
joshuahooverskaet: cool15:57
charlie-tcaThe fix is committed, now how do we get it finished?15:57
charlie-tcaFrom what I read, the fix was pushed upstream, does that mean we have to wait until xorg pushes a new release downstream?15:58
skaetcharlie-tca, ah,  I understand now.   Thanks.15:59
cjwatsoneither wait or get a relevant Ubuntu developer to cherry-pick15:59
cjwatsonthe former's less work for everyone but only if it's in time15:59
charlie-tcaSo, who do I go find for this?15:59
cjwatsonit seems most natural to ask Didier, since he pushed it upstream?16:00
charlie-tcaThank you. I will do that16:00
pitticharlie-tca: you can also ask bryce or RAOF to cherrypick it16:00
pittiwe sohuld have it for a316:00
cjwatsonand agreed on Timo's comments on the bug16:00
charlie-tcaThat's what I need, then16:00
charlie-tcaAgreeing doesn't make anything work, though16:01
* cjwatson leaves then16:01
* charlie-tca needs cjwatson's help, and does appreciate it16:01
skaet[TOPIC] Toolchain update - slangasek16:02
MootBotNew Topic:  Toolchain update - slangasek16:02
cjwatsonI think it would be helpful if this sort of thing were raised directly with the developers who are active on the bug rather than waiting for a release meeting, honestly?16:02
charlie-tcaI will go track them down16:02
charlie-tcaThank you16:02
cjwatsondoko sent an update, which we might as well quote for the record, if slangasek isn't around16:03
slangasekpast week and a bit has seen package updates for binutils, gcc-4.6, gcc-4.5, gcc-4.4, and gcj-4.616:03
cjwatson - rebuild test not started, too many packages not installable16:03
cjwatson   and after the freeze the kde mass upload did start. will16:03
cjwatson   do that after the linaro release next week.16:03
cjwatson - ocaml on ARM should be tracked by Emmet.16:03
cjwatson - some ARM related build failures should be addressed by the16:03
cjwatson   currently building gcc-4.6.16:03
slangasekpython 3.2 is updated to 3.2.116:04
slangasekand openjdk-7 and openjdk-6 have been updated, with build fixes for powerpc and armel16:04
slangasekand then what cjwatson said :-)16:04
skaetthanks slangasek and cjwatson :)16:04
skaetany questions?16:04
skaet[TOPIC] MOTU team update - tumbleweed16:05
MootBotNew Topic:  MOTU team update - tumbleweed16:05
tumbleweedNot much to report.16:05
tumbleweedArchive consistancy needs work, as ever:16:05
tumbleweedFTBFS squashing seems to have stagnated http://corelli.tumbleweed.org.za/ubuntu-qa/qa-ftbfs/oneiric-historical.html16:05
tumbleweednot too sure what else I should be keeping any eye on...16:05
skaetThanks tumbleweed!16:06
skaetAny impact from the transitions ongoing to worry about?16:06
tumbleweednot that I've seen at the moment16:06
skaetcoolio.    Thanks.16:07
skaetany other questions?16:07
Ursinhatumbleweed: is the script that generates that data public somewhere? if so, can I have it? :)16:07
tumbleweedUrsinha: I'm intending to get that merged into the ubuntuwire qa-ftbfs stuff, you can find it here lp:~stefanor/+junk/qa-ftbfs16:07
Ursinhatumbleweed: cool16:08
skaet[TOPIC] Ubuntu One Team - joshuahoover16:08
MootBotNew Topic:  Ubuntu One Team - joshuahoover16:08
joshuahoover[LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOne/OneiricReleaseStatus16:09
MootBotLINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOne/OneiricReleaseStatus16:09
joshuahooverwe have a new release of libubuntuone (music store) out today16:09
joshuahooverChipaca has provided more info for the way we'd like to change how u1 gets updated in the future and that conversation is on-going16:09
joshuahooveronce we have agreement on the way forward, we'll be working on making those changes which are for the following blueprint:16:09
joshuahooverwe're finishing up work on making the client cross platform friendly so we don't continually break things when making updates for one platform vs. the other...this will allow us to start making regular releases of u1-client as early as next week16:09
skaetgo pitti16:09
pittijoshuahoover: what do you guys plan wrt. support for rhythmbox and banshee?16:10
* NCommander apologizes for being late16:10
pittiin particular, the GTK3/PyGI migration for rhythmbox?16:10
pittishould rb be continued to support for the music store, or should we remove the binary package?16:10
pitti(current rb Breaks: it, as it causes crashes due to the missing transition)16:11
joshuahooverpitti: good question...i need to check on that16:11
pittijoshuahoover: thanks; would be good to know for general planning16:11
skaetThanks joshuahoover!  any other questions?16:11
skaet[TOPIC] Any other business,  comments/questions?16:12
MootBotNew Topic:  Any other business,  comments/questions?16:12
skaetJust wanted to let folks know that mootbot hasn't been working since july 1.   I'll be posting a link to the transcript from the irclogs to the agenda.16:13
skaetanything else?16:13
MootBotMeeting finished at 11:13.16:13
jibelThanks skaet16:14
skaetThanks jibel, mlegris, ara, jdstrand, ogasawara, cjwatson, Daviey, ogra_, rsalveti, joshuahoover, charlie-tca,  slangasek, pitti16:14
slangasekthanks, skaet16:14
pittithanks everyone, have a nice weekend!16:14
rsalvetiskaet: thanks!16:14
jibelhave a nice week end everyone!16:14
ogra_thanks skaet16:14
skaetthanks tumbleweed.  :)16:14
tumbleweedheh, np16:14
tumbleweedskaet: would it be reasonable to ping us all at the start of the meeting? (it would help with me forgetting, for a start)16:15
skaettumbleweed,  I do like that chart btw.  :)  looking forward to it be integrated.16:15
skaetsure I can do a general ping,  assuming folk are on the channel.16:15
charlie-tcaThanks, skaet16:15
charlie-tcaThanks, cjwatson, for your advice16:16
skaettumbleweed, by general,  I mean I'll just say hi to all the leads so it shows up on the radar.  :)16:16
rsalvetitumbleweed: only thing I'd change is to be able to show the chart just for a specific arch16:16
rsalvetias at linaro we do the porting jam for arm16:17
skaetjibel, pitti,  have a nice weekend. :)16:17
rsalvetifixing arm-only ftbfs16:17
tumbleweedrsalveti: yeah, at the moment it's a per-arch table with selectable packagesets, but that's probably not as useful as it could be16:17
rsalvetitumbleweed: but cool anyway16:18
tumbleweedI've got every failed build in a sqlite db, so I can mine it as I want (I knew I wouldn't produce the best graphs on the first attempt :P )16:18
rsalvetiin the future also some charts per tags would be useful16:19
rsalvetilike 'ice', 'opengles', etc16:19
rsalvetibut anyway, time to experiment with some hackings :-)16:19
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