[14:59]  * skaet waves
[14:59]  * rsalveti waves
[14:59] <skaet> hi rsalveti,  welcome.  :)
[15:00] <pitti> hello
[15:00] <jdstrand> hi :)
[15:00] <rsalveti> skaet: :-)
[15:00]  * joshuahoover waves
[15:00] <skaet> looks like its about that time,   nice to see you all.  :)
[15:00] <skaet> #startmeeting
[15:00] <MootBot> Meeting started at 10:00. The chair is skaet.
[15:00] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[15:00] <skaet> [Topic] Oneiric Release Meeting overview - skaet_
[15:00] <skaet> .
[15:00] <skaet> Agenda is at:
[15:00] <skaet> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ReleaseTeam/Meeting/2011-07-15
[15:00] <skaet> Events Approaching:
[15:00] <MootBot> New Topic:  Oneiric Release Meeting overview - skaet_
[15:00] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ReleaseTeam/Meeting/2011-07-15
[15:00] <skaet> .
[15:01] <skaet> Bugs targetted for this release can be found:
[15:01] <skaet> [LINK] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/oneiric/+bugs
[15:01] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/oneiric/+bugs
[15:01] <skaet> Bugs milestoned for oneiric alpha 3 are at:
[15:01] <skaet> [LINK] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/oneiric/+bugs?field.milestone%3Alist=39142
[15:01] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/oneiric/+bugs?field.milestone%3Alist=39142
[15:01] <skaet> .
[15:01] <skaet> Reminder:   please use ".." on separate line when you've finished typing.   If someone wants to comment during the updates, please "o/", so we know to wait.
[15:01] <skaet> questions?
[15:01] <skaet> ..
[15:01]  * skaet looks around for questions?
[15:02] <skaet> if none,  and I see that jibel_ has joined us..  time for the round table. :)
[15:02] <skaet> [TOPIC] QA team update -  jibel
[15:02] <MootBot> New Topic:  QA team update -  jibel
[15:03] <jibel> Hi all
[15:03] <skaet> hi
[15:03] <jibel> = Automated Testing progress =
[15:03] <jibel>  * 3rd server setup in the QA lab and delivered to mvo to migrate upgrade tests
[15:03] <jibel>  * DX Testing
[15:03] <jibel>    * dx team provided a list of packages with build-time tests.
[15:03] <jibel>    * patrickmv to have a further discussion on tests with specific graphics hardware requirements
[15:04] <jibel>  * IPv6 Testing
[15:04] <jibel>    * patrickmw working with Foundations team.  Test plan is complete.
[15:04] <jibel>  * Other projects
[15:04] <jibel>    * Wubi - 1 system integrated to Jenkins for daily testing, a second system is being configured for parallel testing.
[15:04] <jibel> Ubuntu Testing:
[15:04] <jibel>  * 10.04.3
[15:04] <jibel>    * Smoke Tested alternate|desktop|server amd64|i386: OK
[15:04] <jibel>    * English|Non-english: OK
[15:05] <jibel>    * OEM: OK (1 one-time failure but never been able to reproduce)
[15:05] <jibel>  * nVidia/ATI proprietary driver
[15:05] <jibel>    * Sent Call for testing on July 13th
[15:05] <jibel>    * Instructions at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Testing/ProprietaryDrivers/Oneiric/VideoDrivers
[15:05] <jibel>    * Participation is low. So please teams, if you're running Oneiric on hardware with these graphics cards, help with testing the proprietary drivers.
[15:06] <jibel> Other topic related to graphics card support
[15:06] <jibel>  * Dual monitor support in Oneiric:
[15:06] <jibel>   * Test of Intel Card all failed, the following bugs need attention from the DX team:
[15:06] <jibel>    * bug 810971
[15:06] <jibel>    * bug 808677
[15:06] <jibel>    * bug 808685
[15:06] <jibel>    * bug 733346
[15:07] <jibel> this was tested on Arrandale, Pineview and GM965
[15:07] <jibel> * Other Bug activity
[15:07] <jibel>   * cjwatson announced that transition to /run would be rocky...
[15:07] <jibel> It was.
[15:07] <skaet> lol,  indeed.
[15:07] <jibel> I won't go through the bug list.
[15:08] <cjwatson> I think we're past the worst of it now
[15:08] <pitti> is there still major things left with /run now?
[15:08] <cjwatson> or hope, anyway
[15:08] <cjwatson> there may still be partial upgrade problems
[15:08] <pitti> oh, for sure
[15:08] <pitti> but oneiric as of today should actually work quite smoothly again
[15:09] <jibel> right the trend of incoming bug caused by the transition to /run is slowing down.
[15:09] <jibel> Talking about launchpad activity:
[15:09] <jibel> 788 new bugs reported during last week
[15:09] <jibel> 60% are duplicates (it makes 316 new bugs and the retracer is still running)
[15:09] <jibel> 72% are software crashes (apport-crash)
[15:09] <jibel> 5% are package installation failures
[15:10] <jibel> Noticeable bugs new and still opened:
[15:10] <pitti> I spent an hour on the retracer today, it was broken because of, guess what, /run
[15:10] <pitti> fakechroot is a nuisance :/
[15:10] <jibel> * zeitgeist : bug 807950 and bug 807076
[15:10] <jibel> update-manager : bug 807715
[15:11] <jibel> gnome-settings-daemon :  lot of assertion failures in xcb_io.c (bug 804896 , bug 804221)
[15:11] <jibel> jockey bug 804709
[15:11] <jibel> sorry, it's private
[15:11]  * skaet notes  807076 probably needs its importance adjusted....
[15:11] <jibel> ..
[15:11] <jibel> any question ?
[15:11] <skaet> Thanks jibel!
[15:11] <pitti> jibel: FYI, retracers are down again
[15:12] <pitti> I now get a crash on upgrade
[15:12] <skaet> very much appreciate the smoke test results for 10.04.3 :)
[15:12] <jibel> pitti, too many crashes, I'm sorry for them.
[15:13] <pitti> need to sit down on Monday to figure out a workaround
[15:15] <skaet> [TOPIC] Hardware Certification team update - mlegris
[15:15] <MootBot> New Topic:  Hardware Certification team update - mlegris
[15:15] <mlegris> Hi all
[15:15] <skaet> hi :)
[15:15] <mlegris> [Week 28]
[15:15] <mlegris> 	* No report this week due to images build failures
[15:15] <mlegris> 	* Until Thursday, 20110705.1 was the last image published
[15:15] <mlegris> 	* Thursday’s image was unable to install properly
[15:15] <mlegris> 	* Today’s image is able to install, but the full test run would need more time
[15:15] <mlegris> Bugs:
[15:15] <mlegris> Bug #810145 - unity-panel-service crashes
[15:16] <mlegris> Bug #708286 - Resume after suspend not working - Toshiba Tecra R700R
[15:16] <mlegris> ..
[15:16] <skaet> thanks mlegris :)
[15:17] <skaet> mlegris,  any concerns about 10.04.3 from your team's perspective?  (for next week's release)
[15:17] <skaet> ara, brendand ^^ :)
[15:17] <mlegris> skaet: not to my knowledge
[15:17] <ara> nothing, the kernel looks fine
[15:18] <skaet> thanks ara, mlegris :)
[15:18] <brendand> i can't imagine. maybe we should have a closer look though - there are candidates available now?
[15:18] <skaet> brendand,  smoke test images that jibel used
[15:19] <brendand> skaet - thanks
[15:19] <skaet> brendand,  candidates will probably be going on the tracker this weekend,  or early monday.
[15:19] <skaet> any other questions for cert team?
[15:19] <skaet> [TOPIC] Security team update - jdstrand
[15:19] <MootBot> New Topic:  Security team update - jdstrand
[15:19] <jdstrand> hi!
[15:19] <skaet> :)
[15:19] <jdstrand> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/ReleaseStatus/Oneiric
[15:19] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/ReleaseStatus/Oneiric
[15:19] <jdstrand> [LINK] http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/oneiric/canonical-security.html
[15:19] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/oneiric/canonical-security.html
[15:19] <jdstrand> After a flurry of work item activity this week and at the rally, we are below the trend line for our assigned work items in our blueprints, and have completed the 'Essential' work items for this cycle. Due to our commitment to reactive security, our team only commits to completing 'Essential' work items during the development cycle. We will continue to work at completing our other ones as time allows.
[15:20] <jdstrand> We fixed several apparmor profiling bugs, including those introduced by the recent /run udev changes (with help from pitti).
[15:20] <jdstrand> Looking at the (very long) list of oneiric bugs, I don't see anything else worth highlighting other than to ask about what is being done about the very long list of ftbfs bugs for gcc-4.6. Obviously, these packages are not supportable by my team if they don't build (forgive me if this has been asked/answered before).
[15:20] <jdstrand> ..
[15:20] <skaet> Thanks jdstrand!
[15:21] <skaet> There is a way of excluding the ftbfs,  which helps make the list a little more digestible.
[15:21] <skaet> see the link on the a3 bugs for the pattern.
[15:21] <pitti> (search for the "-ftbfs" tag)
[15:21] <jdstrand> I would be interested in that, but mostly I want them buildable again, so if me team needs to patch something, it will actually build
[15:21] <jdstrand> :)
[15:21] <cjwatson> the numbers are dropping too, but it will take time
[15:22] <cjwatson> unbuildable count 20% down from two weeks ago, according to doko
[15:22] <jdstrand> that's good news
[15:22] <skaet> ack, on those workitems issue,  thanks for letting me know.
[15:22] <jdstrand> it is of course still quite early to be overly concerned
[15:22] <jdstrand> cjwatson: thanks
[15:22] <skaet> yup,  nice seeing the unbuildable going down.
[15:22] <skaet> any other question for jdstrand ?
[15:23] <skaet> [TOPIC] Kernel team update - ogasawara
[15:23] <MootBot> New Topic:  Kernel team update - ogasawara
[15:23] <ogasawara> Overall status is reported at the first link below.  Burn down for oneiric-alpha-3 is at the second link below.  Burndown for the cycle is at the third link:
[15:23] <ogasawara> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/ReleaseStatus/Oneiric
[15:23] <ogasawara> [LINK] http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/oneiric/canonical-kernel-team-oneiric-alpha-3.html
[15:23] <ogasawara> [LINK] http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/oneiric/canonical-kernel-team.svg
[15:23] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/ReleaseStatus/Oneiric
[15:23] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/oneiric/canonical-kernel-team-oneiric-alpha-3.html
[15:23] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/oneiric/canonical-kernel-team.svg
[15:23] <ogasawara> We uploaded the Ubuntu 3.0.0-5.6 kernel this week.  The most notable change is the rebase onto the 3.0-rc7 mainline kernel.  We anticipate the final 3.0 upstream kernel to land relatively soon.  Also, we are trending below the Alpha3 burn down line, with the remaining items not being release critical.
[15:23] <ogasawara> Of the bugs called out on the agenda against the kernel, status is as follows:
[15:23] <ogasawara> #542660: looks to be related to EFI boot not loading the video bios into ram.
[15:23] <ogasawara> #557261: no confirmation with a 3.0 kernel and not convinced the warning output by the radeon driver is the root cause of the usb-creator persistence issue.  Bug reporter has followed up in the upstream bug report regarding the driver warning.
[15:23] <ogasawara> #754711: looks to be nouveau breaking suspend, asked for confirmation with a v3.0 Oneiric kernel.
[15:23] <ogasawara> #758486: kernel dev was unable to reproduce in Natty, needs confirmaton for Oneiric.
[15:23] <ogasawara> #760131: partly fixed in Oneiric and soon natty, more analysis ongoing upstream.
[15:23] <ogasawara> #784937: seems that names of disk devices have changed, investigation by kernel dev still ongoing as well as discussion with upstream.
[15:23] <ogasawara> #790712: the order 5 allocation seems to be bogus, waiting analysis of debug information.
[15:23] <ogasawara> #791850: seems to be triggered by an amazon side change which amazon is investigating; awaiting feedback.
[15:23] <ogasawara> #806113: assigned to kernel dev.  investigation is in its early phase, no additional information available at this time.
[15:23] <ogasawara> #800697: Fix Released.
[15:24] <ogasawara> Questions?
[15:24] <ogasawara> ..
[15:24] <skaet> Thanks ogasawara! :)
[15:24]  * skaet doesn't see questions so moving on....
[15:25] <skaet> [TOPIC] Foundations team update - cjwatson
[15:25] <MootBot> New Topic:  Foundations team update - cjwatson
[15:25] <cjwatson> Feature progress this week:
[15:25] <cjwatson>  * foundations-o-multiarch-next-steps: As of tomorrow's CD images, multiarch is enabled by default on amd64.  Let's hope it works!  Launchpad changes to reduce the bandwidth hit are ready for merging, but will probably take a few more weeks to be deployed.
[15:25] <cjwatson>  * defect analysis: Several important improvements to apport hooks, especially blocking installer bugs due to I/O errors in squashfs and package installation bugs due to dpkg failing to extract a package's data tarball; over time these alone should significantly reduce our incoming bug count
[15:25] <cjwatson>  * foundations-o-wubi: New-style Wubi second-stage builds integrated into cdimage.  IronPython executable bundle down to ~8.5MB.
[15:26] <cjwatson>  * desktop-o-gtk3-gnome3: Still working on PyGI port of ubiquity; should be done soon.  update-manager ported.
[15:26] <cjwatson>  * foundations-o-ubiquity: More work on the wireless page.  Implemented passphrase handling.
[15:26] <cjwatson>  * Upstart: Some progress on disabling jobs.
[15:26] <cjwatson>  * packageselection-foundations-n-event-based-initramfs: mountall stop-timer branch landed.  Work on documentation and initramfs integration, and getting everything into a PPA.
[15:26] <cjwatson>  * foundations-o-debdelta: Set up prototype server implementation; awaiting IS work for deployment (RT#46678).
[15:26] <cjwatson> The /run transition is now at the point where only maybe the odd thing is broken, rather than the entire world.  See http://wiki.debian.org/ReleaseGoals/RunDirectory for what to do in Ubuntu-specific packages that use the old filesystem locations.
[15:26] <cjwatson> The build failure count is at about 720, down from 900 two weeks ago.
[15:26] <cjwatson> Ubuntu 10.04.3 imminent.  Things mostly look OK, but there's some verification to catch up on, especially of installer updates.
[15:26] <cjwatson> ..
[15:26] <pitti> o/
[15:26] <cjwatson> go
[15:26] <pitti> curious, "multiarch enabled by default:?
[15:27] <pitti> that apparently goes beyond of what we have had since natty?
[15:27] <cjwatson> dpkg/apt will be set up to fetch i386 Packages files as well as amd64 by default
[15:27] <cjwatson> the technical implementation is now reduced to putting 'foreign-architecture i386' in /etc/dpkg/dpkg.cfg.d/multiarch
[15:28] <cjwatson> and some cdimage adjustments
[15:28] <pitti> ah
[15:28] <pitti> thanks
[15:28] <cjwatson> it's preseedable in the installer so people can play with different combinations
[15:28] <skaet> Thanks, cjwatson.  :)    Any other questions?
[15:28] <cjwatson> this should let us actually get rid of ia32-libs, with some more conversion work
[15:29] <Daviey> (what about flash?)
[15:29] <Daviey> IIRC that used ia32-libs?
[15:29] <cjwatson> apt-get install flashplugin-installer:i386
[15:29] <Daviey> oh, groovy.
[15:29] <cjwatson> http://web.dodds.net/~vorlon/wiki/blog/Multiarch_Monomania/
[15:29] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://web.dodds.net/~vorlon/wiki/blog/Multiarch_Monomania/
[15:30] <rsalveti> also, in theory we adobe released flash for 64 bits
[15:30] <cjwatson> yes, well, we've heard that before
[15:30] <cjwatson> anyway, flash was never the sole use case
[15:30] <cjwatson> we should move on :)
[15:30] <skaet> :)
[15:30] <skaet> [TOPIC] Server team update - Daviey
[15:30] <MootBot> New Topic:  Server team update - Daviey
[15:31] <Daviey> Hello..
[15:31] <Daviey> Feature Development:
[15:31] <Daviey> http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-oneiric/group/topic-oneiric-server-overview.html
[15:31] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-oneiric/group/topic-oneiric-server-overview.html
[15:31] <Daviey> Largely we seem on track.  We made some very large changes to the direction of Orchestra which caused some disruption, but seems we are on track with our current feature set.  The one blueprint of slight concern is server-o-boot-experience.
[15:31] <Daviey> Bugs pertinent to Oneiric Server release:
[15:31] <Daviey> http://pb.daviey.com/Pv0b/raw/ (rather than flood.)
[15:31] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://pb.daviey.com/Pv0b/raw/ (rather than flood.)
[15:31] <Daviey> ^^ Including:
[15:31] <Daviey> - bugs we are working on.
[15:31] <Daviey> - bugs other teams are working on.
[15:31] <Daviey> - MIR's we are tracking.
[15:31] <Daviey> Note, that euca2ools are currently volatile pending update - as boto2.0 had landed.
[15:31] <Daviey> We are also making significant changes to how we handle incoming bug process... watch this space.
[15:31] <Daviey> ..
[15:32] <Ursinha> oh yeah
[15:32] <skaet> Thanks Daviey, Ursinha  :)
[15:32]  * skaet will go cross check that link against the agenda after the meeting
[15:32] <skaet> any questions?
[15:33] <Daviey> groovy.
[15:33] <skaet> [TOPIC] ARM team update - ogra
[15:33] <MootBot> New Topic:  ARM team update - ogra
[15:33] <ogra_> me !
[15:33] <skaet> :)
[15:33] <ogra_> = Full Status is at: =
[15:33] <ogra_> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARMTeam/ReleaseStatus/Oneiric
[15:33] <ogra_> --
[15:33] <ogra_> = Summary =
[15:33] <ogra_>  - "Preinstalled pool" for the server is about to land
[15:33] <ogra_>  - Live build issues with filesystem resize speed are still being investigated
[15:33] <ogra_>  - jenkins integration for automated image testing has been worked on
[15:33] <ogra_>  - OMAP3 kernel segfaults are still an issue
[15:33] <ogra_>  - Work on fixing the kernel/bootloader postinst handling is landing today
[15:33] <ogra_>  - Cleanup of jasper (our resizing tool) is ongoing
[15:33] <ogra_>  - AC100 kernel and kernel metapackage as well as flash-kernel support has landed in oneiric
[15:33] <ogra_>  - ocaml is badly broken on arm currently, NCommander is working on fixing it
[15:33] <ogra_>  - "ubuntu-core" tarball builds are landing today
[15:33] <ogra_> --
[15:33] <ogra_> = Image Status =
[15:33] <ogra_>  - Desktop images built last on the 13th and fail sin ce due to archive skew once again
[15:33] <ogra_>  - Server images build and install fine
[15:34] <ogra_>  - Netboot images work fine
[15:34] <ogra_> --
[15:34] <ogra_> = Specs =
[15:34] <ogra_>  * Entire http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/oneiric/ubuntu-armel.html
[15:34] <ogra_>  * A3 http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/oneiric/ubuntu-armel-oneiric-alpha-2.html
[15:34] <ogra_> --
[15:34] <ogra_> additionally, infinity will help out linaro to bootstrap armhf the next weeks
[15:34] <ogra_> since thats behind schedule
[15:34] <pitti> ogra_: alpha-3.html :)
[15:34] <ogra_> ..
[15:34] <ogra_> eek
[15:34] <ogra_> indeed
[15:34] <ogra_> (sorry)
[15:34] <rsalveti> ocaml is bringing a lot of ftbfs :-(
[15:35] <ogra_> rsalveti, since several weeks already
[15:35] <skaet> Thanks ogra_ !  :)    re:  AC100 images - *\o/*
[15:35] <rsalveti> yeah
[15:35] <ogra_> all ocaml apps segfault
[15:35] <ogra_> ..
[15:36] <skaet> Any outlook on when we'll be getting OMAP3 images again?
[15:37] <ogra_> no, i dont know if the kernel team already found the issue, i dont think they did yet
[15:37] <rsalveti> anyone taking care of the omap3 issue?
[15:37] <ogra_> ppisati, ?? did you take a look already )or cooloney) ?
[15:37] <skaet> ogasawara, ^^ ?
[15:37] <ogra_> thats bug 806113 btw
[15:38] <ogasawara> I though ppisati was looking into it, I'll ping him
[15:38]  * skaet notes that the importance and status on that one needs some updating  :P
[15:38] <ogra_> i think he was swamped in CVEs last week
[15:38] <ogasawara> ogra_: I'll raise it in #ubuntu-kernel and get back to you
[15:38] <skaet> fair 'nuf.  :)
[15:38] <ogra_> thanks
[15:38] <skaet> any other questions?
[15:39] <ogra_> ..
[15:39] <ogra_> :)
[15:39] <skaet> Thanks ogra_ :)
[15:39] <skaet> [TOPIC] ARM team update - ogra
[15:39] <MootBot> New Topic:  ARM team update - ogra
[15:39] <skaet> oops
[15:39] <skaet> bad paste....
[15:39] <ogra_> heh
[15:39] <pitti> what got fixed in the last 3 mins? :)
[15:39] <skaet> [TOPIC] Linaro update - rsalvetti
[15:39] <MootBot> New Topic:  Linaro update - rsalvetti
[15:39] <rsalveti> - Linux Linaro to be released over next week, based on 3.0
[15:39] <rsalveti> - Gcc 4.6 and 4.5 to be released next Thursday: https://launchpad.net/gcc-linaro/+milestone/4.6-2011.07
[15:39] <rsalveti> - Qemu also to be released next Thursday: https://launchpad.net/qemu-linaro/+milestone/2011.07
[15:39] <rsalveti> - Currently testing libjpeg-turbo on Oneiric, and follow up to see if it's desired to integrate it during this cycle still
[15:39] <rsalveti> - First snapshot of Linaro U-Boot uploaded: 2011.07.1-0ubuntu1, fixing bug #809015
[15:40] <rsalveti> - Linaro Ubuntu Blueprint list target for 11.07: https://launchpad.net/linaro-ubuntu/+milestone/11.07
[15:40] <rsalveti> ..
[15:40] <skaet> Thanks rsalveti :)
[15:40] <rsalveti> most components will be released next week
[15:40] <rsalveti> then we'll work to land the most important bits at oneiric
[15:40] <rsalveti> libjpeg-turbo is something we need to work together
[15:41] <rsalveti> as if we decide to move to libjpeg-8 then don't know if we should move to the -turbo now
[15:41] <rsalveti> as it's only 100% abi compatible and such with libjpeg-6
[15:41] <rsalveti> we'll do some testing and see how it goes first
[15:41] <rsalveti> ..
[15:42] <skaet> Assuming that .. is done.  ;)   Thanks!   will the eglibc bug 775849 in the agenda be fixed in the next drop?
[15:43] <pitti> rsalveti: is that a patch for libjpeg62, or a reimplementation?
[15:43] <rsalveti> skaet: hopefully, I'm pinging the toolchain WG folks to check the bug status
[15:43] <skaet> thanks rsalveti :)
[15:43] <rsalveti> pitti: an optimized fork
[15:43] <rsalveti> that firefox and chromium is already using
[15:44] <rsalveti> ..
[15:44] <skaet> any other questions?
[15:44] <skaet> [TOPIC] Ubuntu One Team -  Chickapa or joshuahoover
[15:44] <MootBot> New Topic:  Ubuntu One Team -  Chickapa or joshuahoover
[15:44] <pitti> Chipaca: ^
[15:45] <pitti> (to get proper highlight)
[15:45] <skaet> Chipaca: even.... sorry about that.  :)
[15:45]  * skaet has corrected her list...
[15:45] <Chipaca> I am unprepared. joshuahoover?
[15:46] <skaet> ok, will move along for now.    If there's some updates,  please add at end.  :)
[15:46] <Chipaca> ok
[15:46] <skaet> [TOPIC] Desktop Team update - pitti
[15:46] <MootBot> New Topic:  Desktop Team update - pitti
[15:47] <pitti> Lots of time spent this week on cleaning up after the `/run` transition, which broke quite a lot.
[15:47] <pitti> software-center port to GTK3 making great progress, should land for Alpha-3.
[15:47] <pitti> Mathieu finished his C rewrite of usb_modeswitch, which will get us rid of Tcl; needs code review now
[15:47] <pitti> Got sunpinyin and dependencies into main (new Chinese input support), now on the CDs. + 4 MB increase, though; we eventually want to offload this to the Chinese Edition
[15:47] <pitti> Work item status: falling a bit behind on alpha-3, but on track for final release. But we have a bunch of blueprints which can easily be postponed to the next cycle, to concentrate on bug fixing after alpha-3.
[15:47] <pitti> Moderate progress on RC bugs; no serious alpha-3 breakers right now, but bug Bug:806064 needs some attention for Edubuntu; will ask Robert about it next Monday
[15:47] <pitti> As usual, details of RC bugs on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/ReleaseStatus#rcbugs
[15:47] <pitti> CD size got 20 MB worse since alpha 2, mostly as the old Chinese input method `ibus-pinyin` is still on the CDs and in main for yet unknown reasons; to be investigated. Also, Firefox grew by 3.3 MB due to the switch from -Os to -O3; we have a nice potential fix, but currently fails to build on the buildds.
[15:47] <pitti> ..
[15:47] <skaet> Thanks pitti.  :)
[15:48] <skaet> ack on the CD size
[15:48] <pitti> I was quite shocked to see them after the ten days of not building them :/
[15:48]  * skaet sees release notes on the subject of A3 as quite likely...
[15:48] <pitti> but fortunately 15 MB of the 20 MB growth is due to the ibus-pinyin issue
[15:48] <skaet> okie.    there's hope then.  :)
[15:49] <pitti> at this point I'm quite lost, though
[15:49] <skaet> maybe not.
[15:49] <skaet> lol
[15:49] <pitti> it's not in germinate, not in checkrdepends
[15:49] <cjwatson> uh, when I looked, it wasn't on the CDs either
[15:49] <pitti> it was on yesterday's
[15:49] <cjwatson> cdimage@antimony:~/cdimage/www/full/daily-live/current$ grep ibus-pinyin *.manifest *.list
[15:49] <cjwatson> cdimage@antimony:~/cdimage/www/full/daily-live/current$
[15:49] <pitti> it fell off today?
[15:49] <cjwatson> it wasn't there when you asked yesterday
[15:49] <cjwatson> I checked and responded on #ubuntu-devel
[15:50] <cjwatson> there was a .1 build yesterday, so it might have fallen off in that
[15:50] <pitti> ok, then I need to re-check, as today's images are still 730 MB
[15:50] <cjwatson> i386 is 736MB[Di though
[15:50] <cjwatson> MiB
[15:51] <cjwatson> indeed
[15:51] <skaet> any other questions for pitti?
[15:51] <skaet> [TOPIC] Desktop Experience Team Update - dbarth or njpatel
[15:51] <MootBot> New Topic:  Desktop Experience Team Update - dbarth or njpatel
[15:52] <skaet> hmm... not seeing either in the channel.
[15:52] <skaet> ok,  moving on.
[15:52] <skaet> [TOPIC] Kubuntu Team update - ScottK
[15:52] <MootBot> New Topic:  Kubuntu Team update - ScottK
[15:53] <skaet> ok, we'll see if we can catchup with ScottK later
[15:53] <skaet> [TOPIC] Edubuntu Team update - highvoltage
[15:53] <MootBot> New Topic:  Edubuntu Team update - highvoltage
[15:54] <skaet> hmm... will move on then here too...
[15:55] <skaet> [TOPIC] Xubuntu Team update - charlie-tca
[15:55] <MootBot> New Topic:  Xubuntu Team update - charlie-tca
[15:55] <charlie-tca> Desktop images were available starting yesterday
[15:55] <charlie-tca> We need help with two bugs, that are blocking most of the work:
[15:55] <charlie-tca> * Bug 799754 has a patch attached, but the patch needs work. It won't work for all uses yet.
[15:55] <charlie-tca> * Bug 804734 has been pushed upstream to Xorg.
[15:55] <charlie-tca> ..
[15:55] <skaet> Thanks charlie-tca! :)
[15:56] <joshuahoover> o/
[15:56] <joshuahoover> skaet: sorry, missed the earlier call for u1...let me know when you'd like me to go
[15:56] <skaet> charlie-tca,  Looks like the second bug has a fix committed,  is more still needed?
[15:57] <skaet> joshuahoover, ok after Toolchain and MOTU :)  thanks.
[15:57] <joshuahoover> skaet: cool
[15:57] <charlie-tca> The fix is committed, now how do we get it finished?
[15:58] <charlie-tca> From what I read, the fix was pushed upstream, does that mean we have to wait until xorg pushes a new release downstream?
[15:59] <skaet> charlie-tca, ah,  I understand now.   Thanks.
[15:59] <cjwatson> either wait or get a relevant Ubuntu developer to cherry-pick
[15:59] <cjwatson> the former's less work for everyone but only if it's in time
[15:59] <charlie-tca> So, who do I go find for this?
[16:00] <cjwatson> it seems most natural to ask Didier, since he pushed it upstream?
[16:00] <charlie-tca> Thank you. I will do that
[16:00] <pitti> charlie-tca: you can also ask bryce or RAOF to cherrypick it
[16:00] <pitti> we sohuld have it for a3
[16:00] <skaet> :)
[16:00] <cjwatson> and agreed on Timo's comments on the bug
[16:00] <charlie-tca> That's what I need, then
[16:01] <charlie-tca> Agreeing doesn't make anything work, though
[16:01] <cjwatson> sigh
[16:01]  * cjwatson leaves then
[16:01] <charlie-tca> no!
[16:01]  * charlie-tca needs cjwatson's help, and does appreciate it
[16:02] <skaet> [TOPIC] Toolchain update - slangasek
[16:02] <MootBot> New Topic:  Toolchain update - slangasek
[16:02] <cjwatson> I think it would be helpful if this sort of thing were raised directly with the developers who are active on the bug rather than waiting for a release meeting, honestly?
[16:02] <charlie-tca> I will go track them down
[16:02] <charlie-tca> Thank you
[16:03] <skaet> ..?
[16:03] <cjwatson> doko sent an update, which we might as well quote for the record, if slangasek isn't around
[16:03] <slangasek> past week and a bit has seen package updates for binutils, gcc-4.6, gcc-4.5, gcc-4.4, and gcj-4.6
[16:03] <cjwatson>  - rebuild test not started, too many packages not installable
[16:03] <cjwatson>    and after the freeze the kde mass upload did start. will
[16:03] <cjwatson>    do that after the linaro release next week.
[16:03] <cjwatson>  - ocaml on ARM should be tracked by Emmet.
[16:03] <cjwatson>  - some ARM related build failures should be addressed by the
[16:03] <cjwatson>    currently building gcc-4.6.
[16:03] <cjwatson> aha
[16:04] <slangasek> python 3.2 is updated to 3.2.1
[16:04] <slangasek> and openjdk-7 and openjdk-6 have been updated, with build fixes for powerpc and armel
[16:04] <slangasek> and then what cjwatson said :-)
[16:04] <skaet> :)
[16:04] <skaet> thanks slangasek and cjwatson :)
[16:04] <skaet> any questions?
[16:05] <skaet> [TOPIC] MOTU team update - tumbleweed
[16:05] <MootBot> New Topic:  MOTU team update - tumbleweed
[16:05] <tumbleweed> Not much to report.
[16:05] <tumbleweed> Archive consistancy needs work, as ever:
[16:05] <tumbleweed> FTBFS squashing seems to have stagnated http://corelli.tumbleweed.org.za/ubuntu-qa/qa-ftbfs/oneiric-historical.html
[16:05] <tumbleweed> not too sure what else I should be keeping any eye on...
[16:05] <tumbleweed> ..
[16:06] <skaet> Thanks tumbleweed!
[16:06] <skaet> Any impact from the transitions ongoing to worry about?
[16:06] <tumbleweed> not that I've seen at the moment
[16:07] <skaet> coolio.    Thanks.
[16:07] <skaet> any other questions?
[16:07] <Ursinha> tumbleweed: is the script that generates that data public somewhere? if so, can I have it? :)
[16:07] <tumbleweed> Ursinha: I'm intending to get that merged into the ubuntuwire qa-ftbfs stuff, you can find it here lp:~stefanor/+junk/qa-ftbfs
[16:08] <Ursinha> tumbleweed: cool
[16:08] <Ursinha> thanks!
[16:08] <skaet> [TOPIC] Ubuntu One Team - joshuahoover
[16:08] <MootBot> New Topic:  Ubuntu One Team - joshuahoover
[16:09] <joshuahoover> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOne/OneiricReleaseStatus
[16:09] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOne/OneiricReleaseStatus
[16:09] <joshuahoover> we have a new release of libubuntuone (music store) out today
[16:09] <joshuahoover> Chipaca has provided more info for the way we'd like to change how u1 gets updated in the future and that conversation is on-going
[16:09] <joshuahoover> once we have agreement on the way forward, we'll be working on making those changes which are for the following blueprint:
[16:09] <joshuahoover> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/foundations-o-updates-for-network-clients
[16:09] <joshuahoover> we're finishing up work on making the client cross platform friendly so we don't continually break things when making updates for one platform vs. the other...this will allow us to start making regular releases of u1-client as early as next week
[16:09] <joshuahoover> questions?
[16:09] <joshuahoover> --
[16:09] <pitti> o/
[16:09] <skaet> go pitti
[16:10] <pitti> joshuahoover: what do you guys plan wrt. support for rhythmbox and banshee?
[16:10]  * NCommander apologizes for being late
[16:10] <pitti> in particular, the GTK3/PyGI migration for rhythmbox?
[16:10] <pitti> should rb be continued to support for the music store, or should we remove the binary package?
[16:11] <pitti> (current rb Breaks: it, as it causes crashes due to the missing transition)
[16:11] <joshuahoover> pitti: good question...i need to check on that
[16:11] <pitti> joshuahoover: thanks; would be good to know for general planning
[16:11] <skaet> Thanks joshuahoover!  any other questions?
[16:12] <skaet> [TOPIC] Any other business,  comments/questions?
[16:12] <MootBot> New Topic:  Any other business,  comments/questions?
[16:13] <skaet> Just wanted to let folks know that mootbot hasn't been working since july 1.   I'll be posting a link to the transcript from the irclogs to the agenda.
[16:13] <skaet> anything else?
[16:13] <skaet> #endmeeting
[16:13] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 11:13.
[16:14] <jibel> Thanks skaet
[16:14] <skaet> Thanks jibel, mlegris, ara, jdstrand, ogasawara, cjwatson, Daviey, ogra_, rsalveti, joshuahoover, charlie-tca,  slangasek, pitti
[16:14] <slangasek> thanks, skaet
[16:14] <pitti> thanks everyone, have a nice weekend!
[16:14] <rsalveti> skaet: thanks!
[16:14] <jibel> have a nice week end everyone!
[16:14] <ogra_> thanks skaet
[16:14] <Daviey> o/
[16:14] <skaet> thanks tumbleweed.  :)
[16:14] <tumbleweed> heh, np
[16:15] <tumbleweed> skaet: would it be reasonable to ping us all at the start of the meeting? (it would help with me forgetting, for a start)
[16:15] <skaet> tumbleweed,  I do like that chart btw.  :)  looking forward to it be integrated.
[16:15] <skaet> sure I can do a general ping,  assuming folk are on the channel.
[16:15] <charlie-tca> Thanks, skaet
[16:16] <charlie-tca> Thanks, cjwatson, for your advice
[16:16] <skaet> tumbleweed, by general,  I mean I'll just say hi to all the leads so it shows up on the radar.  :)
[16:16] <rsalveti> tumbleweed: only thing I'd change is to be able to show the chart just for a specific arch
[16:17] <rsalveti> as at linaro we do the porting jam for arm
[16:17] <skaet> jibel, pitti,  have a nice weekend. :)
[16:17] <rsalveti> fixing arm-only ftbfs
[16:17] <tumbleweed> rsalveti: yeah, at the moment it's a per-arch table with selectable packagesets, but that's probably not as useful as it could be
[16:18] <tumbleweed> s/table/graph/
[16:18] <rsalveti> tumbleweed: but cool anyway
[16:18] <tumbleweed> I've got every failed build in a sqlite db, so I can mine it as I want (I knew I wouldn't produce the best graphs on the first attempt :P )
[16:19] <rsalveti> in the future also some charts per tags would be useful
[16:19] <rsalveti> like 'ice', 'opengles', etc
[16:19] <rsalveti> but anyway, time to experiment with some hackings :-)