[07:02] morning all [07:15] morning [07:36] Morning all [07:41] morning [07:42] Hi MooDoo [07:55] AlanBell, how were your meetings in london? [07:55] jolly good :) [07:55] in Germany now [07:55] but basically, yes, we are going to do what I proposed [07:55] AlanBell, blimey, do you do a lot of travelling? [07:56] * DJones wonders whether sabdfl has a connection problem [07:56] not that much these days [07:58] AlanBell, so what's in germany today then? [07:58] in the Bundesministerium fur Wirtschaft und Technologyie [07:58] http://www.odfplugfest.de/ [07:59] cool..... [07:59] No, that's alwys there, not just today. [07:59] indeed, it has been here for a while [08:04] AlanBell: http://tinyurl.com/5wjavx8 [08:04] AlanBell: Best Currywurst place, ever. [08:11] someone having connection issues? [08:11] Not just someone, "The One" even [08:12] I did think about setting a forward to ##fixyourconnection, but probably wouldn't very politic to do that :) [08:12] DJones, hee hee :) [08:15] Morning all [08:16] popey: Morning. [08:17] morning popey how are you this morening? [08:21] Good morning peeps :) [08:22] HazRPG: morning, just saw your message on scrollback, thanks, i already fixed the issue using adb shell and a symbolic link :D [08:22] CM uses a download cache partition that's too small (and shares it with dalvik cache) [08:23] i must say, google plus isn't really getting a massive following amongst my acquaintances [08:25] oimon, 10 million people so far [08:26] I have 139 Ubuntu people, 22 LotusGeeks [08:26] not much else [08:26] great [08:26] MooDoo: saw your tweet about adsense [08:26] AlanBell: plese say lotus car and not lotus notes :D [08:26] You need to get a crate load more visitors to have any hope of people clicking ads [08:26] oimon: Notes [08:26] and need to appeal to non-techies, who wont have adblock [08:26] * oimon loads his gun [08:26] I was going to suggest lotus flowers [08:27] I am a retired LotusGeek [08:27] is there an adblock for andorid? [08:27] MooDoo: take OMGUbuntu for example. They earn crazy amounts of adsense money [08:27] because they get metric tonnes of hits [08:27] know how much popey? [08:27] i do [08:28] jussi: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Adblock+for+Android [08:28] (maybe) [08:29] It's pretty amazing what they've done with that site [08:29] popey, my site is pretty crappy at the moment to be honest, i think tha's part of the problem..... [08:29] there was certainly a niche in the market [08:29] and i don't blog enough.....content is king [08:30] i dont think thats the issue ☺ [08:30] ok, chaps I have a question for you [08:30] imagine you're going to an event such as "OggCamp", on a scale of 1 (not annoying) to 10 (really annoying) how annoyed would you be if there was no free wifi there? [08:31] popey, normally i wouldn't be bothered, but as it's a techy event, i would say 8/9 [08:31] is there cheap wifi there? [08:31] i'd say 5 for myself, since i have mobile internet on my phone [08:31] It's free, not at all. There's never wifi at LPWs and nobody minds [08:31] AlanBell: please answer the question [08:31] ☺ [08:31] s/cheap/fast/ [08:31] popey: 9 [08:32] I would be annoyed if there was no wifi [08:32] popey: Not that bothered - have unlimited data plan on my phone and service is "ok" at the maltings. [08:32] BigRedS: LPW? [08:32] 2/10 [08:32] TheOpenSourcerer: what network? [08:32] popey: london perl workshop [08:32] O2 [08:32] ta [08:32] popey: maybe word it another way: if the wifi was X pounds per day/hour, would you pay it, or use mobile 2g/3g instead [08:32] actually, I have a phone I would tether, I wouldn't give a toss [08:32] please forget pay wifi [08:32] I was very clear on my question [08:32] 1 [08:32] I'd like to keep it to that [08:33] 8 [08:33] popey: 0 [08:33] as long as there was mobile signal that is [08:33] popey: 1. the event is partly about connecting with people there, not over g+ [08:33] so 0 , in case you're doing fancy parsing of logs to get votes [08:33] 1 personally, would be interesting from a video perspective if there was stacks of upload bandwidth [08:34] bigcalm: you mean actually talk to people :S [08:34] dogmatic69: mobile signal is fine [08:34] shall we just answer his question with numbers? [08:34] lol [08:34] For those presenting, a connection might be useful. But people should be prepaired [08:34] I think we should trunk 3G devices to get enough bandwidth to upload video [08:34] i that's what he wants [08:34] 22dB [08:34] popey: i [08:35] ok [08:35] so the venue doesn't have wifi coverage over all the rooms [08:35] I am trying to sort some kind of solution [08:35] but it's expensive [08:35] Have wifi in one room so that those that can't live without twitter can update [08:35] though LPW does have hard-to-saturate 3G coverage as something of a mitigating circumstance. But it's normal there to not be dossing around on the net in talks [08:36] Could a mesh network be erected that used the existing connections as a gateway? [08:36] popey: how good is the building's fabric at blocking 3g signals? [08:36] pass [08:37] its an old building [08:37] listed so running cables is hard [08:37] Hummz [08:37] Good morning all! [08:37] I'm almost tempted to not bring a laptop this year [08:37] But then, how would I play minecraft? [08:37] Old buildings tend to block RF better than newer ones (unless the newer one has been designed to do so) [08:38] but there would be wifi zone somewhere? that's not bad at all [08:40] Get somebody on a unlimited data plan to tether. Does mean them staying put all day [08:41] i'd like to reduce my score to a 1 if there is wifi somewhere in the building [08:41] Just knowing that there is wifi, even if you don't use it? [08:42] It's in a town, isn't it? Surely there's a cafe within reasonable distance that'll do wifi for the cost of a coffee for those who somehow need it [08:42] ? [08:42] MacDonalds has free wifi... [08:42] maybe there should be a talk about disconnecting from the internet [08:42] oimon: nicely volenteered [08:42] :D [08:42] volenteered [08:43] volunteered [08:43] * BigRedS imagines a demonstration of unplugging a cat5 lead and then nothing else [08:43] Yes, my copy failed [08:43] maybe rigged up to a heart monitor [08:43] oimon: ah, good stuff ^_^ [08:43] also, morning all [08:44] as we see ..the patients heart rate returns to normal after 15 minutes [08:44] oimon, i did last week when i was on hols in whitby, it was refreshing to have no internet [08:44] not even a phone signal [08:45] twitter is better when you refresh once a day and read all the stuff [08:45] rather than every 10 mins [08:45] cos u realise so much of it is dross [08:48] morning all [08:51] Hi czajkowski [08:51] oimon: depends upon whom you follow [08:53] czajkowski, aloha :p [08:54] oimon: depends on who you follow i regularly hae great discussions with people interactively with them via twitter [08:55] tbh i tend to use twitter rather differently, mainly as an rss feed [08:55] AKA one-way communication/broadcast feed [08:55] i think i'm just not a twitter fan [09:05] czajkowski: 'great' discussions? :) [09:05] oimon: I use twitter in the same way, mainly as a news feed rather than two way communication [09:06] well myself and acruiz had a good old rant there yesterday about the use of Mac OSx being used to give keynotes at oss events [09:17] czajkowski, is it really that much of an issue? [09:18] I am currently being amused by the number of people here presenting about ODF using .ppt files [09:18] not all, some are using .odp [09:18] i am often surprised by the number of people who develop for ubuntu and tweet from their mac [09:19] oimon, most are using ubuntu in virtual box type situation ...... [09:20] i find it bizarre. noticed a few people who have been staunch ubuntu fans and then got a mac and go on about it for ages. [09:20] tsk. [09:20] i developer for debian from ubuntu, does that count? [09:20] e.g. ryan paul and the omgubuntu boys [09:20] MooDoo: pisses me off no end [09:21] directhex: yes but you're special in a good way :) [09:21] I only use Ubuntu at work... [09:21] BigRedS, i use fedora at work..... [09:22] ew [09:22] bigcalm, if it works i'll use it, i'm not fussed what the os is [09:23] but that's a discussion for another year :) [09:23] I was amused to see a couple of windows laptops at fosdem [09:23] lo [09:23] lo daubers [09:24] BigRedS, i've seen that too, but they are normally work laptops [09:26] BigRedS: one guy 2 years ago presented on one in the keynote room [09:26] interesting talk [09:26] but there was much heckling going on about his windows machine [09:27] freedom ideology is quite a big part of why i use linux. not in an extreme RMS way, but it is still significant [09:29] I use Ubuntu - at home and at work (in last 2 jobs) and now as freelance, it's still ubuntu [09:31] if anyone is feeling bored please feel free to go through https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ReApprovalApplication2011 and add dates when we did stuff, and link in pictures [09:31] and add extra stuff [09:31] I use Ubuntu/Linux because i don't know how to use other OS's :) [09:32] JGJones, i use a mixture of ubuntu, fedora and windows 7 [09:34] MooDoo - I don't have Windows 7 - I haven't even used it yet. I can't find a reason for paying for it - it's not going to bring me anything that I can't get with Windows XP or Vista which I already have OEM licences for) [09:34] anyone know if afplay is available for ubuntu? [09:35] !info afplay [09:35] Package afplay does not exist in natty [09:36] any idea how to play .wav from cmd then? [09:36] dogmatic69: mplayer? [09:38] AlanBell: Reading through that list, we should really make an Ubuntu board game [09:39] daubers: "Community Chest" -> "Community Council"? [09:39] is there a easy command for terminal to see if a program is installed? [09:39] dogmatic69: dpkg -l or apt-cache policy [09:39] that or just type its name :) [09:40] ye, just want to do something like if[ installed foo] .. [09:41] MartijnVdS: "CEO Stuck on ISS after missing his shuttle home, miss a go" [09:41] dogmatic69: if [ -e /some/binary ]; echo "/some/binary exists"; fi [09:41] uhr [09:41] dogmatic69: if [ -e /some/binary ]; then echo "/some/binary exists"; fi [09:41] a ye [09:41] nice [09:41] dogmatic69: check "man test" for more [09:42] or "which gedit" to get the path to the binary [09:42] MartijnVdS: locate foo works also [09:42] AlanBell: if it's in PATH [09:42] dogmatic69: it works but it's not instant [09:42] which is better [09:42] dogmatic69: locate-info only gets updated once a day [09:43] ah, and which? [09:43] which is instant, but requires the binary to be in $PATH [09:43] sure [09:43] !xyproblem [09:43] !xy [09:43] The XY problem is when you need to do X, and you think you can use Y to do X, so you ask about how to do Y, when what you really should do is state what your X problem is. There may be a Z solution that is even better than Y, but nobody can suggest it if X is never mentioned. [09:43] dogmatic69: Which problem are you trying to solve? [09:43] well im just doing if(notEmpty(which foo)){ foo $params} // excuse the fake code [09:44] what are you trying to accomplish? [09:44] im trying to support something on mac and linux [09:44] so if there is afplay its mac, if not its linux [09:45] dogmatic69: easier way: [09:45] or, if there is afplay use afplay, if there is mplayer use it, etc [09:45] dogmatic69: case "`uname`" in [09:45] Linux) [09:45] do_linuxy_thing [09:45] ;; [09:46] WhateverMacosReturns) [09:46] do_mac_thing [09:46] ;; [09:46] *) [09:46] help_dontknow_what_to_do [09:46] ye, that is possible [09:46] ;; [09:46] esac [09:46] sorry for hte on-channel coding :) [09:46] i think doing which for the player is better as it could support others [09:47] dogmatic69: you can have the case fill a variable and use that === denny- is now known as denny [09:56] howdy guys [09:56] :) [09:56] popey: beep beep [09:56] that's £32.43 please - thanks for shopping with andylockran enterprises [09:56] that's pretty good value [09:59] gord: yeah.. setting up scanners to scan the product code of scanners to do asset tags [10:00] I should have just pointed them all at each other and done a single click to scan them all at once [10:01] andylockran: mirrors? [10:05] happy friday all [10:05] hullo davmor2 [10:06] heylo davmor2 [10:07] \o/ [10:08] wish someone would do rfid for all groceries already [10:08] rfid? [10:08] rfid tags? [10:08] Oh [10:08] RF ID [10:08] bigcalm: Bit like aphids, but completley different [10:09] daubers: my mind could not parse the it any other way than as a word [10:09] heh [10:38] MooDoo: me owld mukka happy Friday it's here at last man it's been a long week [10:39] davmor2, tell me about it, busy weekend for me too.......:S [10:51] davmor2, got anything planned? === carlosr is now known as Guest57719 [10:51] trip to the black country museum and a chillout kill things sunday [10:52] Ooo, haven't been to the bcm since I was a child [10:53] bigcalm: ditto [10:53] I liked the barge trip through the tunnel the most [10:54] never been myself to be honest, wife is having a garden party say [10:55] saturday [10:55] Ok, Saturday [10:56] seen that game "beep" they mentioned on OMG? looks fun [10:57] in a world of goo kind of way [11:16] I really wish they'd tell us before they turned the water off. Letting me fill the kettle first seems like a common decency :/ [11:17] toiiet cistern? :P [11:17] this thought has already occured ;) [11:17] probably as clean as the water tank [11:18] actualyl there may be pigeons and rats in the water tank [11:18] in theory, yeah. but with an ick value that'll leave it until I'm desperate [11:18] scrape ice from the freezer... [11:19] kitchen taps are from the rising main, not the water tank [11:19] so you don't drink too much dead pigeon [11:19] how about "kitchenette"? [11:19] https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/261495_10150252580572473_511097472_7723229_2758211_n.jpg [11:19] you shower in pigeon :) [11:20] * oimon doesn't have a water tank, but the office does [11:20] combi boiler ftw [11:20] I dunno if we have a tank, actually [11:20] given that the loft is a bedroom, I can't think where they'd hide it [11:22] in the remaining loft space? [11:22] I'm not sure there is any [11:24] in other news, a job I applied for sent me to a questionaire on surveymonkey that had all the usual interview questions. never seen that before. rather awkward. [11:24] why awkward? [11:25] it's odd not being able to get a feel for what they're actually looking for [11:26] is it like a pre-interview filtering? [11:26] I hope so === Monster_Killer is now known as MonsterKiller [11:41] Hi for all [11:42] I was here in the last days because I'm without job... [11:42] If somebody have in your company or other company a lot of computers for refurbish [11:43] I willing to refurbish some computers for have something to do [11:45] if you can help me, please, send me an email vfontanella at gmail dot com [11:46] thank's [11:51] fvlinux: where are you located? [11:55] dwatkins: London [11:56] maybe talk to fossbox fvlinux [11:57] I know of a company in Doncaster that does computer refurbishment, there are lots of them around. [11:57] Most municipal tips probably employ a firm to collect discarded computers for recycling, since there's a fair amount of stuff that can often be re-used in them. I suggest speaking to your local council about it, or look up such firms in the local yellow pages. [11:58] dwatkins:I was looking for these companys...but no answer [11:59] may they have fear I start a bussiness :) [11:59] perhaps, yes [11:59] the firm I visited in Doncaster had about 6 employees, and some of the guys there were really good at repairing PCs, whereas some of them didn't have a clue. [12:00] fvlinux: It would probably be a good idea to send an email to the ubuntu-uk mailing list as well, there was some discussion abouut that type of thing a month or so back (I think) [12:00] dwatkins: do you have the name of this company? [12:01] Djones: I sent an amail days a go for ubunu-uk mail list [12:01] fvlinux: somewhere, yes [12:02] but I don't know if moderators have sent my email for /dev/null [12:03] <- moderator [12:03] popey: do you are moderator of the list? :) [12:03] i see no mail waiting [12:03] yes [12:03] one of them [12:04] humm [12:04] I don't have recive nothing since that [12:04] let me see is the Rigth list... [12:05] do you use gmail? [12:06] yes [12:06] you only see your own mail to lists if somoene replies to it [12:06] thats normal for gmail [12:06] popey: well... [12:06] popey: I'll send again [12:06] hang on [12:06] what address did you send it from? [12:07] vfontanella at gmail dot com [12:07] i see no mail from you [12:07] and you dont appear to have subscribed to the list [12:08] popey: LOL @ http://gscreenlaptop.3dcartstores.com/ ;d [12:08] mad isn it? [12:08] Do they fold somehow? [12:08] ;d [12:08] wow, is that real? [12:09] dwatkins: So it seems ;d [12:09] one screen goes behind the other [12:09] http://gizmodo.com/5346996/gscreens-dual+screen-spacebook-coming-soonish [12:10] I'm still waiting to hear about te Noteslate, which is a nifty idea - kinda like a Kindle you can write on. [12:11] They made the marketing mistake of promising stuff on facebook and now people are going off in a huff because they are taking longer than they said they would. [12:11] * popey promises cookies on facebook [12:11] Hooray! We're all going to have cookies! [12:12] ruh roh [12:12] \o/ cookies [12:12] cookies? [12:13] I have no cookies yet, I am enraged! [12:14] I shall demonstrate this by posting lots of angry messages on popey's facebook page and point out where I can get alternative cookies from, and that I'm off to buy them instead. [12:19] They posted recently on the Noteslate facebook page saying they're still solving problems. It remains to be seen if they actually will have a marketable product. [12:21] i dont see the point of that [12:22] can just download a drawing app for my ipad [12:23] but that isn't e-ink display [12:24] but i can switch to a game when im done and get my mails too [12:24] not goign to carry 2x just to draw on. [12:24] that would not be a benefit for some use-cases [12:25] I'd like that for appending to things on a kindle [12:25] rather than as a genuine dawing thing [12:25] appending to? annotating [12:25] if you dont have a ipad/tablet yet, and will never get one, and you want to draw on something that is not paper... maybe [12:25] small market, yes [12:26] well, I quite like my kindle for reading from, but none of the advantages apply to a tablet [12:26] but it's horrific to type on, so I don't. It'd be nice to write in the margins exactly as I do a real book [12:26] well, almost exactly [12:27] dogmatic69: exactly [12:27] * dogmatic69 likes 16mil colors and hd res [12:29] different pricepoint too [12:29] * BigRedS likes easy to read text and long battery life [12:30] 10h on my ipad [12:30] it is an etchasketch, they still sell [12:30] mostly use it for reading [12:33] a few weeks on my kindle [12:34] I would find an e-tablet really handy if I could use it to take down notes whilst on the phone then e-mail myself a copy of the display. [12:34] I don't have an ipad, and paper is easy to lose etc. [12:35] there are kindle like devices you can write on [12:36] the iliad irex was one [12:40] popey: Only for note, I have to apologize, I sent an email to ubuntu ony no -uk. [12:40] popey: but I sent minutes a go an email to the list. [12:41] popey: Thank's for your help. ;) [14:03] q [14:03] y? [14:03] odd. that was aimed at vim and I both missed vim and the colon [14:12] Pondering Harry Potter sometime soon. Not sure if I want to bother with the 3d bit though. Thoughts? [14:13] "Harry Potter is about confronting fears, finding inner strength and doing what is right in the face of adversity. Twilight is about how important it is to have a boyfriend." -- Stephen King [14:13] just saw this quote [14:15] yeah, I enjoyed that [14:18] :) [14:18] I don't have a boyfriend, on noes === YDdraigGoch is now known as WelshDragon [14:20] made me smile [14:20] bigcalm, you can get one, they are quite cheap from tesco :) [14:20] Heh [14:20] bigcalm: I'm thinking I could kill whooper meal right now if that helps? [14:21] bigcalm: ask Pendulum [14:21] * bigcalm tickles davmor2 [14:21] Pendulum: *poke* [14:23] bigcalm: No to 3d until it is actual holograms on a table it's only 2 1/2 d at best and you look a muppet in the glasses :D hope that helps [14:23] * MooDoo can't see 3d :( [14:23] MooDoo: you could if it was holograms on a table :) [14:24] davmor2, what you really want, is a play [14:24] very 3d [14:24] gord: yeah but the special effects suck, unless it's a magic show [14:25] You want a holodeck? [14:25] bigcalm: Pendulum was saying the 3d glasses are like Harry's glasses [14:25] MartijnVdS: hell yeah [14:25] i'm one of the few people that actually like 3d :) glasses are a giant pain though i agree, 3ds does things right [14:26] gord: agreed the 3ds is way better than the 3d on tellys too [14:26] never seen a 3D film [14:26] Anybody compiled breakpad before? It's failing to link for me: "undefined reference to `dlclose'" [14:27] i don't get people who rage about 3d at all, i can understand not wanting glasses and not wanting to pay more for it, but some people seem to be vindictive against 3d, just the every idea is offensive to them somehow [14:27] personally i think objects looking solid in my media rather than like paintings is a good thing [14:27] gord: probably because there is a link between 3D movies and crap story [14:27] and sequels in general tbh [14:28] nope thats not it, they go see the movies in 2d instead [14:29] correlation does not imply causation [14:31] as xkcd proves today :) [14:34] 3D give me an headache and eyesores - because I watched some "3D" films with subtitles (cinemas now do subtitled films yah) and...urgh...it's not pleasant reading subtitles on a 3D screen. [14:35] JGJones, i don't see how it would be possible. you can't focus on the peripheries with 3d movies [14:35] directhex, the subtitles obviously are along the bottom of the movie - but with the 3d getting in the way etc, it somehow make reading subtitles a pain. [14:36] gord: I think it sucks cause it isn't 3d and is a blatant lie to call it such can you see the action from the side or behind? if the answer is no then it isn't 3d it's blurry 2d with shadowing enhancements and optical illusion. [14:36] And it's usually white. [14:36] Get a bright scene in the movie? [14:36]