[00:48] <Alpha-01> upgrade seems to have solved the problem. I am now able to connect to wifi.
[00:57] <greg-g> awesome!
[01:01] <Alpha-01> so how do i tweak the partitions? it keeps telling me how my hard drive is pretty much full.
[01:01] <Alpha-01> but i have 4gb of space
[01:01] <Alpha-01> and unless ubuntu 11.04 is bigger than i thought, that shouldn't be the case.
[01:04] <greg-g> well, the full install uses about 2 gigs, iirc, so it might be warning you that you have less than 2 gigs left
[01:06] <Alpha-01> it is telling me i have mb left, so i am guessing it might be 2 2gb or something like that.
[01:06] <rick_h_> well snapl had that issue
[01:06] <rick_h_> because by default it did 1gb of swap
[01:06] <rick_h_> so you might be close to full
[01:07] <Alpha-01> so if i have more updates will it know to store them elsewhere, or will it just stop updating?
[01:08] <rick_h_> well honestly that setup isn't very sustainable
[01:09] <Alpha-01> setup? sustainable?
[01:10] <rick_h_> you'll have to catch snapl for advise
[01:10] <rick_h_> but check out the report of df -h
[01:10] <Alpha-01> i.e. netbook shouldn't run ubuntuu?
[01:10] <rick_h_> and see how big the partitions are
[01:10] <rick_h_> 4gb of disk a not a lot of space these days unfortunately
[01:10] <rick_h_> I know snapl was always pressing against that
[01:10] <Alpha-01> *ubuntu
[01:11] <rick_h_> there are some large packages you can uninstall, there are some tricks you can try
[01:11] <rick_h_> if you recall him last night talking about some of the other ubuntu family were much larger than he thought they'd be
[01:11] <Alpha-01> well, i will keep that in mind. right now as long as i can get skype going this would be a major success.
[01:42] <snap-l> evening, all
[01:42] <snap-l> Sorry if I was a bit moody earlier. I'm not in my happy place.
[01:43] <rick_h_> everything ok?
[01:43] <jjesse> hope everything is fine
[01:43] <snap-l> Yeah, I'm fine, just trying to figure out my place in the universe
[01:43] <snap-l> That's all. ;)
[01:52] <jjesse> hope you find it soon
[01:53] <snap-l> Yeah, no worries
[10:47] <greg-g> g'morn
[11:01] <rick_h_> morning
[11:24] <Wolfger> party
[11:51] <snap-l> Good morning
[11:52] <brousch> so far
[11:53] <snap-l> btw: If you want to hear the results of what I was working on yesterday to make JoDee happy with being awakened to noise: http://openmetalcast.com/about/promote/
[12:01] <brousch> i must've missed that conversation
[12:01] <snap-l> And now JoDee waits for Comcast
[12:01] <rick_h_> ruh roh, again?
[12:01] <snap-l> brousch: Yeah, first thing in the morning was me making that
[12:01] <snap-l> rick_h_: re: Comcast? No, this is the first wait
[12:01] <snap-l> We
[12:01] <snap-l> we're making sure they don't try to install Comcast here.
[12:02] <snap-l> billing address != shipping address. ;)
[12:02] <snap-l> And this is the important payload. If dad-in-law doesn't get Comcast, there might be hell to pay
[12:02] <snap-l> he was paying $$$ for satellite TV.
[12:08] <rick_h_> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/6706161/datetime-in-defining-database-using-sqlalchemy/6706726#6706726 woo downvoting in the morning
[12:08] <greg-g> snap-l: lol re: promo
[12:08] <greg-g> snap-l: did you make the clanking noises yourself? or was that a sample?
[12:08] <greg-g> oh, looks like sample
[12:09] <rick_h_> snap-l: ah ok. I thought it was your place. Weren't you having comcast issues before and such?
[12:12] <snap-l> greg-g: Tose we all promos.
[12:12] <snap-l> Er, good morning
[12:13] <snap-l> Those were all samples in the background
[12:13] <snap-l> just a little tweaking here and there.
[12:13] <snap-l> rick_h_: I have WOW. I always have issues with Comcast.
[12:13] <snap-l> High prices, dick moves, etc.
[12:13] <rick_h_> gotcha
[12:14] <snap-l> But apparently it's the only option in this building outside of rabbit ears.
[12:14] <snap-l> I have hypno-bunny outside my window
[12:24] <greg-g> haha, "tose we all promos" is the QOTD
[13:35] <greg-g> long article, but really interesting read about Stuxnet: http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2011/07/how-digital-detectives-deciphered-stuxnet/all/1
[13:35] <Wolfger> oh gods.... http://programmers.stackexchange.com/questions/93071/is-it-just-me-or-is-all-the-new-fancy-google-functionaility-annoying-everyone-els
[13:40] <Wolfger> greg-g: fascinating. I'll have to give that a full read later.
[13:40] <greg-g> Wolfger: yeah, and it might hit home for you, given your day job
[13:41] <Wolfger> Yeah... Step 7 is right up my alley
[13:41] <greg-g> I hadn't heard of it until that article
[13:41] <greg-g> now I'm scared
[13:41] <greg-g> :)
[13:42] <Wolfger> Yeah, never heard of this at all. Switching to the 8-page view to break it into readable chunks
[13:44] <snap-l> Thank you Wired, for breaking Instapaper.
[13:45] <greg-g> heh
[13:45] <snap-l> Seriously, Wired may have the best content in the world, but they're too busy having a fucking typography circle-jerk to let anyone read it.
[13:46] <greg-g> hey! it is what gives their work such added value! (or something)
[13:47] <greg-g> I was confused by all of the green arrows in that article, I was like, "where do I go next? do I really skip this paragraph? Why can't I just read the way I normally do?"
[13:48] <jjesse> i really liked that article :)
[13:48] <jjesse> the stuxnet one
[13:49] <snap-l> Every time I think of Wired, I think of Van Burnham
[13:49] <snap-l> http://www.amazon.com/Van-Burnham/e/B001IQXFC0
[13:50] <snap-l> Back when I went to Classic Gaming Expo (2000), she was a guest speaker or something.
[13:50] <snap-l> Or some show. Don't remember which, and doesn't matter
[13:50] <snap-l> she entered the room with a fucking entourage
[13:51] <snap-l> bunch of folks that looked like they'd rather be playing Shadowrun or Vampire
[13:51] <greg-g> I think of Stephenson's article about undersea cables
[13:51] <snap-l> All I could think of was "what a twat"
[13:55] <snap-l> Ah, I remember, she was promoting her forthcoming book
[13:55] <snap-l> which apparently launched in 2003.
[13:57] <snap-l> Anywho, point being, Wired makes me stabby because they value presentation over content.
[14:00] <snap-l> http://programmers.stackexchange.com/questions/93082/what-do-you-think-are-the-best-ways-to-save-time-when-writing-code <- stabby
[14:04] <snap-l> http://programmers.stackexchange.com/questions/93082/what-do-you-think-are-the-best-ways-to-save-time-when-writing-code/93120#93120
[14:10] <nullspace> snap-l: oh oh I'm going to sit here and hit refresh every 5 minutes on that page...
[14:10] <nullspace> on second though I'll go back to writting java
[14:10] <jrwren> java? rofl
[14:11] <nullspace> shush MS fan boy
[14:12] <snap-l> Hey, did you hear Microsoft is abandoning Windows?
[14:12] <nullspace> I guess they just don't like natural light
[14:12] <jrwren> why stabby?
[14:13] <nullspace> MS research shows that more code is wrriten when a programmer's work environment is similar to a cave
[14:13] <snap-l> jrwren: Those kinds of questions are like pre-optimization questions
[14:13] <snap-l> ie: will my code compile faster if I use tabs instead of spaces.
[14:14] <nullspace> gah
[14:14] <jrwren> oh... i didn't read it that way at all.
[14:14] <jrwren> "save time when writing code" to me sounds lke they want to be efficient.
[14:14] <jrwren> I'd expect answers like "use Ruby instead of C"
[14:14] <snap-l> Yes, on the durface
[14:15] <snap-l> What the fuck, I can't type at all today.
[14:15] <jrwren> are you a programmer?
[14:15] <nullspace> at least that sentance came out right
[14:15] <smoser> jcastro, have you seen http://pad.lv/811052 (unity 2 screens black window)
[14:15] <jrwren> i'm just glad it was closed as not constructive
[14:15] <snap-l> jrwren: I am a programmer. And open-ended questions like "how do I code faster" are not coding questions, they're procrastination
[14:16] <jcastro> smoser: you've shown this to me before IRL
[14:16] <jcastro> this happened to you at mug right?
[14:16] <nullspace> snap-l: could have told them to type faster
[14:16] <smoser> happens for me with 2 screens 100% of the time
[14:16] <smoser> does it not happen for you ?
[14:16] <jrwren> rofl. i disagree, but I think I see your POV
[14:16] <jcastro> snap-l: programmer.se is where all the stupid questions people don't want on stackoverflow go
[14:16] <jcastro> "how do I do agile?!?!?!"
[14:17] <jrwren> i'll bet if a python n00b paired with rick_h_ and his vim setup for a couple days they would pick up TONS of things to "code faster"
[14:17] <jcastro> smoser: jiggle either njpatel or DBO on #ayatana
[14:17] <snap-l> jcastro: indeed
[14:17] <jcastro> and see if they've seen it
[14:17] <jcastro> hah
[14:17] <jcastro> or he could abandon you
[14:18] <brousch> smoser: i have that exact same problem
[14:18] <snap-l> jrwren: Yeah, I'm being a little harsh, and there is always room for improvement, but this came across to me as navalgazing
[14:18] <snap-l> jcastro: You're still going to hang out in here when you're off on your glorious beaches, right?
[14:19] <snap-l> I need my direct line to Canonical in here. ;)
[14:19] <smoser> brousch, hit "affects me" then.
[14:19] <smoser> will you?
[14:19] <brousch> i did
[14:19] <jrwren> snap-l: honestly, I think he was indirectly spamming that link through yahoo through reddit to his site to drive traffic
[14:20] <smoser> brousch, i'm guessing you're not running oneiric, right ?
[14:20] <brousch> hm, but i'm on 11.04 and using real hardware
[14:20] <snap-l> jrwren: It got closed anyway.
[14:20] <smoser> i'm on real hardware also
[14:20] <smoser> could you mention that you're seeing it with $(dpkg-query --show unity)
[14:23] <brousch> np, let me know if you need anything else
[14:36] <snap-l> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/749871/comments/16
[14:40] <snap-l> jrwren: RT @AaronErickson: Showing C# 3 to people who have only known Java is like going back 200 years and showing people your iPad. (heh)
[14:41] <jrwren> rick_h_: unsubbing from #TNT and keeping #BOL?  what does that mean?
[14:41] <rick_h_> podcast stuff
[14:42] <rick_h_> both do daily news
[14:42] <rick_h_> dropped one and kept the other, now the one I kept is annoying as #@$#@
[14:42] <nullspace> snap-l: eye rolling ensues
[14:42] <jrwren> snap-l: its true though. C# is sooooo much more than "clone of java" like the haters suggest
[14:42] <smoser> brousch, well, dbo responded, maybe this will get fixed.
[14:42] <smoser> glad i finally decided to do something about it.
[14:43] <nullspace> so if java sucks why is it on android and why is apache making awesome programs with it
[14:43] <DBO> DBO is in here you know
[14:43] <smoser> yeah, but i like talking behind his back
[14:43] <smoser> oh, shoot, he heard me
[14:43] <brousch> smoser: You are abetter bugman than I
[14:44] <smoser> well, i was in a bug submitting mood after i upgraded, rebooted, and couldn't log in at all
[14:44] <smoser> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lightdm/+bug/809890
[14:45] <brousch> I have a couple of other problems I should report
[14:45] <brousch> sleep doesn't work, sometimes i can't get out of a screensaver
[14:45] <nullspace> smoser: just don't use unity, it's that simple
[14:45] <jrwren> did I say java sucks?  no. I just said C# is better :)
[14:45] <snap-l> rick_h_: I've come to the conclusion that I can't stand Sara Lane or Molly Wood
[14:46] <snap-l> Though Molly Wood is infinitely more tolerable than Sara Lane.
[14:46] <nullspace> causes my machien to freeze becasue my gpu and unity hate each other
[14:46] <snap-l> ie: if she's a guest on a show, she's fine
[14:46] <snap-l> when she's hosting, I want to stop listening.
[14:46] <nullspace> snap-l: what show is this?
[14:47] <snap-l> Buzz out Loud?
[14:47] <nullspace> don't think I can listen to that anyway
[14:48] <smoser> snap-l is *really* trying to avoid work
[14:48] <smoser> not only *watching* cnet garbage, but talking about his favorite hosts
[14:49] <snap-l> smoser: hardly
[14:49] <snap-l> This is a long-held believ.
[14:49] <snap-l> belief, even
[14:49] <jrwren> why even bother listening to that stuff?  its for techie grandpas
[14:50]  * snap-l gets ready to kneecap jrwren with his cane.
[14:51] <snap-l> I don't listen to either regularly, mind you.
[14:51]  * smoser snickers, thinking of snap-l saying "Get off my lawn, or I'll throw my Zune at you. ROTTEN KIDS!"
[14:51] <snap-l> smoser: Diamond Rio, good sir
[14:51] <snap-l> Never bought a Zune
[14:51] <nullspace> snap-l: do you even have a lawn?
[14:51] <smoser> granpda's don't buy diamond rios
[14:51] <snap-l> nullspace: Yes, and I have your lawn to do donuts on
[14:52] <nullspace> snap-l: my front lawn is in fact that big
[14:52] <jrwren> i get my tech news from...   ??? :)
[14:52] <snap-l> Actually, i should correct that. I have this area in front of my house here grass proceeds to work through "the circle of life"
[14:53] <nullspace> it's called the carbon cycle
[14:53] <nullspace> I was part of the carbon cycle before it was cool
[14:56] <snap-l> I'm so cool, I leave carbon crop circles.
[14:59] <nullspace> who is going to make it to maker faire this year?
[15:00] <nullspace> I sould say Detroit Maker Faire
[15:00] <brousch> quit having it the same weekend as pyohio :P
[15:01] <nullspace> who wants to go to ohio anyway
[15:01] <nullspace> deleware at least has an ocean, ohio has, well drive thru liqour stores
[15:10] <brousch> ohio has pythons!
[15:21] <nullspace> mofo snakes in a mofo convention
[15:31] <rick_h_> boom
[15:32] <krondor> nullspace:  I can't they did it same weekend as last year, and just like last year I have the same meeting to attend :|
[15:32] <gamerchick02> yo dawg,i heard you like python so i put some pythons in your python... well, maybe not.
[15:34] <brousch> ouch
[15:35] <krondor> Tulalip has got to be worst codename for a project I've heard
[15:35] <gamerchick02> tulalip?
[15:35] <gamerchick02> wha?
[15:35] <rick_h_> krondor: I'm glad I'm not the only one
[15:35] <rick_h_> and usually MS does a bit better with those codenames
[15:36] <rick_h_> usually the codenames should be the product names
[15:36] <krondor> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Microsoft_codenames
[15:44] <snap-l> For those of us who aren't paying attention, what is Tulalip?
[15:45] <brousch> MS codename for their social network that had a nip slip last night
[15:47] <Wolfger> jrwren: technically you did not say that Java sucks (though you should have), nor did you say C# is better. You simply said C# was more...  (more suckage?)
[15:47] <jrwren> if suckage is complex, then yes. C# is more complex.
[15:48] <jrwren> if suckage is powerful, then yes, C# is more powerful
[16:02] <snap-l> brousch: You're kidding me
[16:02] <snap-l> Apparently Microsoft is just going throw their dick into any hole and hope someone does something with it, aren't they?
[16:04] <snap-l> (apologies, that reference was a little vile)
[16:48] <snap-l> - D&D 1st Ed Monster Manual (Limit 3)   	135 Points
[16:48] <snap-l> http://gobretail.com/gobcurrentrewards.php
[16:48] <snap-l> Sorry, but I find that funny
[16:48] <snap-l> I think that means that they only have three available for rewards, but still...
[16:56] <rick_h_> https://code.google.com/p/support/issues/detail?id=2454#c43
[16:56] <rick_h_> interesting
[16:57] <rick_h_> because they have: http://code.google.com/p/support/wiki/CodeReviews
[17:40] <brousch> snap-l: nice OMC intro
[17:50] <brousch> and of course i get 1/2 way through the first song before somone needs their hand held
[17:58] <Wolfger> how romantic.... ;-)
[18:15] <snap-l> brousch: Heh
[18:15] <snap-l> the music, it's scary. ;)
[18:15] <snap-l> brousch: Thanks, though. Glad you enjoyed it. :)
[18:19] <brousch> i could barely tell it was you
[19:06] <snap-l> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/6698554/simple-cgi-python-webserver-php-not-working <- Update from Yesterday.
[19:09] <brousch> so it's solved? i can run my php in python now?
[19:10] <nullspace> gah, I know Joy division really beok new ground but the lead singer just sounds like he is no even trying
[19:11] <nullspace> instead I'll just listen to the smiths
[19:17]  * rick_h_ smacks forehead
[19:18] <rick_h_> Blazeix: ty, made my afternoon: https://twitter.com/#!/wafuqua/status/91949206234861568
[19:18] <rick_h_> I can completely see myself in this situtation
[19:18] <rick_h_> situation that is
[19:19] <Blazeix> haha, yeah, it was amazing
[19:20] <rick_h_> "render damn you!!!!"
[19:20] <rick_h_> "I am, I am..."
[19:20] <Blazeix> we tried zooming out 6 or 7 times, but you need to zoom out ~25 times
[19:20] <rick_h_> I was chasing an html thing like that where the labels weren't showing on some JS generated images
[19:20] <rick_h_> just happened the default text was white on a white background
[19:23] <nullspace> rick_h_: walked away yesterday and never noticed if you replied to the $.proxy comment
[19:29] <nullspace> keeping context is good
[19:30] <rick_h_> $.proxy?
[19:30] <nullspace> http://api.jquery.com/jQuery.proxy/
[19:30] <rick_h_> ok, what's the deal?
[19:31] <nullspace> keeps your objects in context
[19:31] <nullspace> I guess I'm just finding it really useful
[19:31] <rick_h_> right, sorry feel like I missed this discussion
[19:32] <nullspace> actually we are having it right now
[19:32] <rick_h_> ah, I've not had to use it really.
[19:32] <rick_h_> I tend to try to use events, callbacks, and pass what I need
[19:32] <rick_h_> I guess I'd do something more like using the extra params in an event trigger instead
[19:32] <rick_h_> and try to encapsulate that
[19:33] <nullspace> I do to but sometimes this is just easier
[19:33] <rick_h_> cool
[19:33] <nullspace> I made a jQuery pun
[19:34] <nullspace> err an object oriented pun
[21:19] <snap-l> Jeez, sf.net is hiring like mad
[21:19] <snap-l> Unfortunately I can't get to their site. ;)
[21:49] <snap-l> I have had more people follow me on Google Plus that I don't know than on Twitter. ;)