[02:34] <[]9876098[]> Is the graphical partitioning tool in the installed in version 6.06 a full-fledged partitioning tool, or do I need to use something else to prepare my partitions for installation?
[02:35] <[]9876098[]> Whoops, installed should be installer; that was a typo
[02:36] <charlie-tca> um, 6.06 is real old, and not supported any longer
[02:37] <charlie-tca> I can't remember, but it should have the standard partitioning tool
[02:39] <charlie-tca> []9876098[]: I would highly recommend doing a fresh installation with a supported version
[02:39] <[]9876098[]> I would use a later version, but my computer's over a decade old.
[02:42] <[]9876098[]> So the partitioning tool supports pretty much any operation I would need to do- moving, resizing, and formatting?
[02:42] <charlie-tca> it should
[02:43] <charlie-tca> I don't know how reliable it is now
[02:43] <charlie-tca> I use Xubuntu 10.04 on my old computer, from the late 90's
[02:44] <charlie-tca> p4, 1.5Ghz, with a whole 1gb of ram now that I upgraded it from 256mb
[02:44] <charlie-tca> still has a couple of ISA slots
[02:44] <Unit193> I run an *ubuntu on my 500MHz with 512M ram (some of that is taken for video)
[02:46] <[]9876098[]> Mine is a Pentium III with 600mHz processor and 288MB RAM. I'm kind of worried that it would run sluggishly; that's why I'm considering installing an old version.
[02:47] <charlie-tca> sounds like a candidate to try Lubuntu instead
[02:47] <charlie-tca> !lubuntu
[02:47] <charlie-tca> It would be very slow with a current Xubuntu version
[02:49] <[]9876098[]> Thanks, I'll check out Lubuntu and see if that would work.
[03:25] <raginkestrel> Does anyone know if there is a keyboard shortcut to lock the screen on xscreensaver?
[03:26] <Unit193> raginkestrel: It's Ctrl+alt+del
[03:28] <Unit193> Errr... It is for me anywho...
[07:55] <Mandrew> good morning
[07:55] <Mandrew> what do i need to install to get global menu working in xubuntu?
[08:04] <ochosi> Mandrew: i guess you'd need the gnome2globalmenu-plugin
[08:04] <ochosi> i read somewhere recently that it works again with xfce
[08:04] <ochosi> (v. 0.7.9 broke xfce-panel support)
[08:05] <Mandrew> ok so i dont need to install gnome panel then?
[08:06] <ochosi> nope, theoretically it should work with the globalmenu-plugin
[08:07] <ochosi> but you have to find a place to get packages
[08:07] <ochosi> think the ppa is rather outdated
[08:07] <ochosi> (i guess you'd need v. 0.7.10)
[08:07] <ochosi> alternatively you could try v. 0.7.8, that once worked for me, but not with all apps, so i dropped it again
[08:08] <Mandrew> ok
[08:09] <Mandrew> so maybe its better for me to drop xubuntu and try to mod ubuntu to work on my netbook :S
[08:09] <Mandrew> i dislike unity strongly thats why i want to get this working
[08:10] <ochosi> suit yourself
[08:11] <Mandrew> im really torn here :(
[08:12] <ochosi> why is the globalmenu so crucial?
[08:13] <Mandrew> it helps me use as much screen property as i can on my netbook
[08:14] <ochosi> dunno, you could just as well use a 1px theme for xfwm4 and use keyboard shortcuts to close, resize and minimize windows
[08:14] <Mandrew> instead you having one panel on the top and two on a active window ill inly have one
[08:14] <ochosi> that gives you approx as much space as the menubar takes
[08:14] <Mandrew> could be something
[08:14] <ochosi> you can move the panel to the left, set it to show icons only for open windows
[08:15] <ochosi> you don't need a top panel imo
[08:16] <Mandrew> ok i give that a go
[08:16] <ochosi> it's definitely easier/quicker to try that than to switch to unity ;)
[08:18] <Mandrew> i would use the desktop version and purge unity
[08:18] <Mandrew> the desktop version already have gnome menu installed
[08:19] <Mandrew> but i wanted something bit lighter then gnome and was hoping i could get everything working in xubuntu
[08:20] <Mandrew> and there is a lot of stuff that is preinstalled that i really like with xubuntu too
[10:43] <Sysi> ochosi: does that plugin ned to be used through xfapplet? or is it indicator or something
[11:44] <ochosi> Sysi: it's a native plugin for the xfce-panel iirc
[13:25] <aroeland> Hello, can I ask questions about installing Xubuntu here?
[13:26] <knome> let me think.. this is the xubuntu support channel... yes
[13:26] <knome> :)
[13:26] <aroeland> :-)
[13:26] <aroeland> Just making sure...
[13:26] <aroeland> I have a question about setting up LDAP.
[13:29] <aroeland> I've been using a guide on the internet to set up the LDAP client, and it worked fine on Debian. When I try this on Xubuntu though it is not working. After installing libnss-ldap I get an error message.
[13:32] <aroeland> The message is: update-rc.d: warning: libnss-ldap start runlevel arguments (2 3 4 5) do not match LSB Default-Start values (none)
[13:49] <GridCube> far to advanced for me
[13:54] <aroeland> for me too :-(
[13:56] <Sysi> #ubuntu or #ubuntu-server propably would know more
[13:57] <Sysi> that sounds like issue with inits, maybe packaging is just bad
[13:58] <Sysi> my friend set up xubuntu 10.04 ldap clients, I think he had some problems with upstart and possibly PAM
[13:59] <aroeland> OK, thanks for the tip, I will try #ubuntu-server and #ubuntu.
[13:59] <Sysi> don't crosspost
[14:01] <aroeland> OKM :-)
[14:24] <Lovehappens> !webcam
[14:24] <Lovehappens> i m having some problems with my webcam i can not watch or invite :(
[14:24] <Lovehappens> can any one suggest me a software for yahoo chat ?
[14:25] <TheSheep> Lovehappens: pidgin
[14:25] <Lovehappens> it does not support webcam
[14:25] <Lovehappens> does it ?
[14:26] <Lovehappens> and voice ?
[14:26] <TheSheep> Lovehappens: as far as I know it doesn't
[14:26] <Lovehappens> i m looking for something for voice and webcam for yahoo
[14:26] <TheSheep> Lovehappens: I usually use the google video chat
[14:26] <Lovehappens> Kopete and empathy r not working
[14:26] <TheSheep> Lovehappens: but of course it's not for yahoo
[14:27] <TheSheep> Lovehappens: I think their protocol is closed so it's hard to write a client that could use it
[14:27] <TheSheep> Lovehappens: I might be wrong though
[14:28] <Lovehappens> where should i look for help ?
[14:28] <Lovehappens> i went in #ubuntu
[14:28] <Lovehappens> but they did not :(
[14:28] <TheSheep> yahoo support might know something...
[14:29] <Lovehappens> i m on ubuntu
[14:29] <TheSheep> so?
[14:29] <Lovehappens> yahoo does not supports linux does they ?
[14:29] <TheSheep> no idea, you can always ask
[14:29] <TheSheep> and demand that they do
[14:30] <TheSheep> if enough people will, maybe they will think about it
[14:30] <Lovehappens> they should do it
[14:30] <TheSheep> agereed
[14:30] <Lovehappens> but it seems they r blind
[14:30] <TheSheep> well, ask them
[14:31] <Lovehappens> hmmmm
[14:31] <Lovehappens> i ll
[14:31] <TheSheep> and maybe they already have something
[14:31] <TheSheep> or they started something and will let you in on a beta
[14:31] <Lovehappens> but right now i m concerned with my webcam problem
[14:31] <TheSheep> does it work in cheeze?
[14:31] <Lovehappens> yes it does
[14:31] <Lovehappens> perfectly
[14:31] <Lovehappens> even in skype
[14:32] <Lovehappens> but in yahoo it does not :(
[14:32] <TheSheep> apparently pidgin doesn't support it
[14:32] <Lovehappens> yes u r right
[14:33] <Lovehappens> !yahoo
[14:34] <Lovehappens> in empathy the call and video tab r not highlighted i cant click on them
[14:34] <Lovehappens> you can say they r not enabled yet :(
[14:36] <Lovehappens> !empathy
[14:36] <Lovehappens> !ubottu empathy does not supports webcam
[14:36] <Lovehappens> !ubottu than i must say you are not helping me.
[14:36] <charlie-tca> hm, yahoo won't support linux, but you expect linux to be able to support Yahoo?
[14:37] <charlie-tca> ubottu is a robot, it is not a person
[14:37] <Lovehappens> i know that
[14:37] <Lovehappens> yes i would love that if linux supports that awfull software too
[14:37] <charlie-tca> Then perhaps messgeing it in private would be better
[14:37] <Lovehappens> but yahoo should do that
[14:38] <charlie-tca> Then please ask yahoo for help with it. That will at least make them aware that you need it.
[14:38] <Lovehappens> i ll ask them
[14:38] <Lovehappens> but as i allready said right now i m looking for an alternative for yahoo on linux
[14:39] <Lovehappens> can u help me in this regards ?
[14:39] <charlie-tca> Doesn't seem to be one that works
[14:39] <charlie-tca> If yahoo won't allow anyone to see what the code is, it is very hard to do anything to make it work.
[14:40] <Lovehappens> i do agree with you
[14:40] <Lovehappens> but there might be an alternative software for that is nt it ?
[14:41] <charlie-tca> no
[14:41] <Lovehappens> :(
[14:41] <charlie-tca> empathy, pidgin, xchat doesn't use voice and cam, what is left?
[14:42] <charlie-tca> Your choices are a little limited by what you want. It must use webcam for picture and voice. There really aren't a lot of choices, then
[14:43] <Lovehappens> in empathy they r not working
[14:43] <Lovehappens> m i missing some plugins ?
[14:43] <charlie-tca> and how would I know that? I don't even have a webcam
[14:44] <Lovehappens> where should i look for help for that any ideas ?
[14:44] <charlie-tca> I would try #ubuntu, where there are many more users than here
[14:44] <Lovehappens> there are
[14:45] <Lovehappens> but they did not helped
[14:45] <Lovehappens> let me try again
[14:45] <Lovehappens> thanks for ur help
[14:45] <Lovehappens> Stay Blessed
[14:57] <nullpoet> My dell laptop hangs as soon as power chord is removed!
[14:58] <nullpoet> Anybody aware of solution to this ?
[14:59] <charlie-tca> new battery?
[14:59] <nullpoet> Yeah u can say.. its a new laptop
[15:02] <nullpoet> It wont boot on battery
[15:02] <nullpoet> on unplugging the power cable it instantly freezes
[16:53] <derpadong> Hey guys
[16:56] <derpadong> anyone aive?
[16:57] <GridCube> nope
[16:58] <GridCube> hey
[17:06] <derpadong> lol
[17:06] <derpadong> funny
[17:06] <derpadong> gr, arch hates my TV display
[17:21] <derp> Hm...
[17:38] <noip> Does xubuntu let you install codecs during install?
[17:43] <GridCube> nope
[17:43] <GridCube> i don't think so
[17:43] <noip> Thanks.
[17:45] <GridCube> noip: wait do you mean to listen to music while you install and stuff?
[17:46] <GridCube> then you can install them temporarly and then again once the installation ends on the installed system
[17:46] <noip> To be specific, I'm referring to the new option in Natty to let people install optional codecs during the installation process. Does xubuntu have that same option?
[17:46] <GridCube> i do not know, charlie-tca might know tho
[17:47] <noip> I know one can install the codecs after installation of the OS, but I was wondering if xubuntu had that same option made available during installation.
[17:47] <noip> I'm watching a video on youtube that covers the install of xubuntu to find out.
[17:48] <GridCube> :)
[17:48] <GridCube> i usually install it whit the alternate cd so i don't know of fancy things :P
[17:48] <noip> GridCube, A lot of these distro reviews on youtube aren't very good.
[17:49] <GridCube> oh, we need people to make them :P you could make one if you want
[17:49] <GridCube> :D
[17:50] <noip> I plan to start making some at some point. I'm going to do it differently than the way these video are done.
[17:51] <GridCube> :D
[17:52] <noip> Well, I didn't see the option to install codecs. So, I guess it's not included during the install.
[17:54] <GridCube> i have never heard of such option, but then again i just install xubu :P
[17:56] <noip> GridCube, it's a very convenient option now included in ubuntu 11.04. Makes installing codecs super easy.
[18:00] <GridCube> :) i guess it should
[18:20] <Khazamon1o> any one know anything about xorg.conf i have been trying to make my virtual screen size larger but xorg.conf doesnt wanna listen
[18:21] <Khazamon1o> can anyone help?
[19:32] <trudy> hi, anyone fancy offering some help?
[19:33] <aatk> Just ask the question, people will respond if they know the answer/are there
[19:34] <trudy> ok, sorry
[19:34] <aatk> Don't need to be sorry, just a friendly tip
[19:34] <trudy> i have xubuntu11.04.  the update manager did updates last night.  Now the pc wont boot, unless i go to previous version of xubuntu in grub menu
[19:35] <trudy> suggestions please?
[19:35] <aatk> any error messages?
[19:35] <charlie-tca> boot in recovery mode from the grub menu, when the recovery menu comes up, choose fix files
[19:36] <charlie-tca> when it finishes, restart the computer
[19:36] <trudy> nothing, just blank screen... when i switch the pc on, i get the usual post, then blank screen, then hard drive activity stops and it just sits there till i hit reset
[19:37] <trudy> tried that charlie....still wont boot after restart.
[19:37] <charlie-tca> the blank screen is before the grub menu?
[19:38] <trudy> no, its after the cursor dissappears and xubuntu starts to load but stops after about 5 seconds
[19:38] <charlie-tca> let it sit for about 5 minutes, and see if it does stop or it continues
[19:39] <trudy> did that...well, went to make a coffee and came back to the blank screen
[19:39] <charlie-tca> also, edit grub menu using a one time edit to remove quiet splash, ctrl x to boot and see if there are any error messages when it stops
[19:40] <trudy> ok.....i will defo try this....im new to linux command prompt stuff but ok with gui stuff.
[19:40] <trudy> thanks for help
[19:40] <charlie-tca> at the grub menu, hit e to edit the line, cursor down to the line with 'quiet splash' at the end, remove them, and hit ctrl X to boot
[19:41] <trudy> ok.....i'll go do that now.....thanks loads
[19:41] <charlie-tca> then we need to know the exact error it gives when it quits
[19:42] <trudy> no worries, ill grab pen and paper
[19:42] <trudy> cheers, back soon
[19:42] <moxyr> gl
[19:43] <trudy> thx
[19:43] <moxyr> maybe booting with nomodeset to exclude graphics update failure
[19:43] <moxyr> ah too late
[19:43]  * moxyr needs to learn to type quicker
[19:44] <charlie-tca> Let's get the messages he gets and see
[19:44] <charlie-tca> many times, just removing quiet splash lets it boot
[19:44] <moxyr> true
[19:47] <charlie-tca> besides, I always that part
[19:48] <charlie-tca> besides, I always forget that part
[19:54] <charlie-tca> hm, wonder if they have an encrypted /home causing issues?
[20:18] <Khazamon1o> anyone know how to make an xorg.conf file
[20:23] <charlie-tca> Khazamon1o: haven't done it in a long time, but here is some help with it - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/KernelModeSetting
[20:23] <trudy> hi ppl.  would you believe its boot up normal now?!?!?!....
[20:23] <charlie-tca> yes, trudy
[20:23] <trudy> thanks for your help earelier charlie.
[20:23] <trudy> when it plays up again, ill do the splash screen thing and will come for advice.
[20:24] <trudy> many thanks
[20:24] <charlie-tca> Okay, you are welcome
[20:24] <trudy> bye
[21:57] <raginkestrel> Does anyone know if there is a keyboard shortcut to lock the screen in xscreensaver?
[21:58] <Unit193> ctrl+alt+del does it for me anyway
[21:59] <Unit193> Menu > Settings > Settings Manager > Keyboard > Application Shortcuts
[22:00] <raginkestrel> Doh!  Thanks.  Considering that I am coming from Windows, I should have tried that. lol
[22:01] <Unit193> That would bring up Task Manager in windows
[22:02] <Unit193> Anywho, anything else? And no problem!
[22:03] <raginkestrel> You are right Window key + L locks the screen in Windows.  Thank you for your help.  I have been able to everything else on my own.
[22:03] <raginkestrel> Loving Ubuntu on my netbook and xubuntu on an old laptop.
[22:04] <vieq__> Hello, one question is xubuntu produced by Canonical like Ubuntu and kUbuntu or Not?
[22:04] <GridCube> :S
[22:04] <GridCube> _D
[22:04] <GridCube> gods
[22:04] <GridCube> :D
[22:04] <GridCube> yep canonical
[22:05] <vieq__> darn.
[22:05] <Unit193> vieq__: What do you mean by "produced"?
[22:05] <vieq__> thanks any way.
[22:05] <vieq__> Unit193: well, I was reading this http://crunchbanglinux.org/forums/post/130006/#p130006
[22:09] <Unit193> Xubuntu is made by the Xubuntu devs and they use feedback from the community. As I know it, Canonical doesn't "make" it, Xubuntu just uses the ISO build system and Ubuntu as the base
[22:09] <GridCube> yes i think thats about the same
[22:10] <GridCube> xubuntu people do stuff changing the canonical stuff and adding their own
[22:10] <beardygnome> not exactly
[22:10] <beardygnome> canonical produce ubuntu
[22:10] <beardygnome> which is a base system + apps + unity
[22:11] <Unit193> Canonical sponsers/gives money to Ubuntu the community
[22:11] <beardygnome> the xubuntu devs take the base system, add apps (some the same, some different) and adds the xfce desktop
[22:11] <beardygnome> is anyone else getting everything twice here?
[22:13] <vieq__> beardygnome: kinda
[22:14] <charlie-tca> you get two lines the same each line?
[22:14] <vieq__> but at least I got the whole picture
[22:14] <beardygnome> charlie-tca: yes
[22:14] <charlie-tca> nope
[22:14] <charlie-tca> weechat
[22:14] <vieq__> so that makes xubuntu a better ubuntu+de
[22:15] <vieq__> ?
[22:15] <beardygnome> vieq__: depends how you define "better"
[22:15] <beardygnome> i find it is more suited to how i want to use my pc than ubuntu
[22:15] <vieq__> beardygnome: well, functionality out of the box instead of instant breakages
[22:15] <vieq__> how about that?
[22:15] <beardygnome> i've never had a problem using either straight out of the box to be honest
[22:15] <charlie-tca> beardygnome: what chat client
[22:16] <beardygnome> charlie-tca: empathy
[22:16] <charlie-tca> o-o-o-h-h
[22:16] <vieq__> to sum it all both xubuntu & ubuntu have the same base?
[22:16] <beardygnome> it only happens in this room, not in xubuntu-dev / -offtopic
[22:16] <charlie-tca> weird
[22:16] <charlie-tca> some kind of echo turned on here?
[22:17] <beardygnome> vieq__: yes, they use the same base
[22:17] <vieq__> I haz no idea of what you guys are complaining about.
[22:17] <vieq__> beardygnome: very well then.
[22:17] <beardygnome> charlie-tca: i'll trying leaving and coming back in
[22:17] <charlie-tca> okay, you made
[22:17] <charlie-tca> it
[22:17] <charlie-tca> ooops
[22:17] <beardygnome> that seems to have fixed it
[22:18] <charlie-tca> that was three lines
[22:18] <charlie-tca> vieq__: Ubuntu builds first, then Xubuntu takes what they have, removes some stuff, adds other stuff, and keeps some stuff
[22:19] <beardygnome> vieq__: are you running a linux distro atm?
[22:19] <charlie-tca> (simply put, anyway)
[22:19] <vieq__> charlie-tca: I like the idea of defining every anonymous thing as *stuff* :D
[22:19] <vieq__> beardygnome: yes.
[22:19] <charlie-tca> it's all open for you to examine, if you want to
[22:19] <beardygnome> what are running?
[22:20] <vieq__> currently Fuduntu which as it's author describes Fedora + Ubuntu's Idea *sigh*
[22:20] <vieq__> I was bored and I was like ... what the hell...know that kinda attitude?
[22:20] <vieq__> on a usual day I am running OpenBSD so ....   :)
[22:21] <charlie-tca> vieq__: here is the latest build, showing what we removed and what we added, if you really want to know: http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/cd-build-logs/xubuntu/oneiric/daily-live-20110715.log
[22:21] <vieq__> last time I used Ubuntu was like 7.10 I think.
[22:21] <vieq__> checking..
[22:21] <beardygnome> i've not seen fuduntu, so i can't comment on how different / similar it would be to xubuntu
[22:22] <beardygnome> what de does it use?
[22:23] <vieq__> it's basically Fedora (Gnome 2.x) plus AWN and Ailurus
[22:23] <vieq__> that's all!
[22:23] <vieq__> currently it's using Fedora14 as base and adds some stuff to it via fuduntu repo
[22:23] <beardygnome> interesting
[22:24] <beardygnome> so what ideas does it take from ubuntu?
[22:24] <vieq__> not exactly D:, I can tell you the pros and cons if you like.
[22:24] <vieq__> simplicity and ready-ness for the use.
[22:24] <vieq__> mostly selective choice of apps and that's all
[22:25] <vieq__> for instance he choose Ailurus to manage most of the quirks a user might do with a fresh install on the run.
[22:25] <beardygnome> so he's aiming for an rpm-based distro for new linux users?
[22:26] <vieq__> he used Jupiter app, which is supposed to give you multiple choice for running modes when you haz fuduntu on a laptop
[22:26] <vieq__> beardygnome: yub
[22:26] <vieq__> charlie-tca: that's a darn LONG log.
[22:27] <GridCube> thats what... nevermind
[22:28] <vieq__> GridCube: if you're commenting on my English-FU then my friend you made an excellent choice by not continuing to.
[22:28] <vieq__> I am not a native English speaker :)
[22:29] <GridCube> (it was actually a very unapropiated joke)
[22:30] <vieq__> GridCube: ah, unfortunately I would not be able to stay much longer to talk more about it.
[22:30] <vieq__> it's time to blackout!, sorry heh.....have a sleep
[22:30] <GridCube> and im a spañis speaker myself :P
[22:30] <vieq__> Good night every one and thanks all.
[22:30] <GridCube> spañish
[22:30] <beardygnome> good night vieq__
[22:30] <charlie-tca> vieq__: that's why I didn't try to give all the details, I said simply put, we add and remove "stuff"
[22:30] <vieq__> how do you say good night in Spanish?
[22:31] <vieq__> charlie-tca: I am illuminated now :D
[22:31] <charlie-tca> Come back anytime
[22:31] <vieq__> sure thing.
[22:31] <vieq__> laterz all
[22:43] <anna> Hi, I am running Xubuntu 11.04 on a IBM T42.  I am a total linux noob (first day on Linux).  When I leave the laptop unattended, the screen becomes black and I cannot get it back to normal.  What should I do?  Thanks
[22:44] <charlie-tca> moving mouse, hitting space, nothing will work?
[22:44] <GridCube> maybe pressing the power button once?
[22:45] <charlie-tca> go to Menu -> Settings -> power manager, check what it is set for
[22:45] <anna> yes, i tried all of the above but the screen seems locked
[22:45] <charlie-tca> Most likely it suspends in about 15 minutes
[22:45] <charlie-tca> and not all computers can handle that.
[22:45] <anna> ok, that sounds like that might be the problem.
[22:46] <anna> My hard-core Linux hubbie sent me here to try to figure this out on my own. (I suspect he knows that that is the real problem:))
[22:47] <charlie-tca> just open power manager, change it to never suspend/hibernate
[22:47] <anna> I changed power manager to suspend "never"
[22:47] <charlie-tca> That will probably fix it
[22:47] <GridCube> :) that should do it
[22:47] <anna> ok, thats what I did. Thanks!
[22:48] <anna> I hope that fixes the problem.
[22:48] <charlie-tca> You are welcome
[22:48] <anna> I much appreciate the input.
[22:49] <anna> thank you and good bye!