[06:15]  * Kreative` is away: Away
[06:20] <broder> !away > Kreative`
[16:07] <bluefoxicy> is start-stop-daemon broken?
[16:07] <bluefoxicy> bluefox@icebox:~$ sudo /etc/init.d/privoxy restart
[16:07] <bluefoxicy>  * Restarting filtering proxy server privoxy
[16:07] <bluefoxicy> Warning: Fake start-stop-daemon called, doing nothing.
[16:07] <cjwatson> no, but your installation is
[16:08] <bluefoxicy> I just installed it.
[16:08] <bluefoxicy> er, just installed privoxy
[16:08] <cjwatson> one way in which that can happen is if debootstrap crashed midway through and didn't undo its temporary start-stop-daemon shsim
[16:08] <cjwatson> *shim
[16:08] <bluefoxicy> hmm....
[16:08] <cjwatson> I expect you have /sbin/initctl.REAL and /sbin/start-stop-daemon.REAL ...
[16:09] <bluefoxicy> yep.
[16:09] <bluefoxicy> which package do I reinstall?
[16:09] <cjwatson> you don't, move those files back over the non-.REAL variants
[16:09] <cjwatson> I further expect that /debootstrap/debootstrap.log or /var/log/bootstrap.log will exist and have some complaints
[16:09] <cjwatson> did you debootstrap by hand?
[16:09] <cjwatson> I have no idea how broken that installation might be in other ways
[16:10] <bluefoxicy> no
[16:10] <bluefoxicy> what's debootstrap?  For building debian from scratch?
[16:11] <cjwatson> man debootstrap
[16:11] <cjwatson> sorry, I'm doing other things and won't have time to walk through things that are documented
[16:14] <bluefoxicy> k
[16:15] <bluefoxicy> this is a new install from a month or two ago so I dunno what happen.  Oh well.
[17:47] <cousteau> it would be nice that apt-get had a "--queue" option to queue actions to the package manager while it's running
[18:11] <pdtpatr1ck> Question -- why is it when u use cat the directories would put a space after each word? whereas if u use cd .. it would do a directory walk adding / at the end as it should?
[18:14] <Ampelbein> pdtpatr1ck: what?
[18:16] <pdtpatr1ck>  What i'm asking is .. if for instance i want to do cat /etc/network/interfaces .. if i type cat /et and tab complete - it would add a space instead of doing /etc/ to continue. Whereas cd does it automatically. Just wondering why it does that in ubuntu.
[18:19] <cjwatson> sounds like a bug in bash-completion
[18:20] <pdtpatr1ck> yeah thats what i thought
[18:20] <Ampelbein> pdtpatr1ck: I can't reproduce in oneiric though
[18:20] <cjwatson> it doesn't do that for me
[18:20] <pdtpatr1ck> im on 11.04
[18:21] <pdtpatr1ck> u guys on 11.10 ?
[18:21] <abhinav-> I can't produce it on Natty
[18:21] <pdtpatr1ck> type cat /etc
[18:21] <pdtpatr1ck> and tab
[18:21] <pdtpatr1ck> does it put a space?
[18:21] <cjwatson> n
[18:21] <cjwatson> no
[18:21] <cjwatson> (11.10)
[18:22] <abhinav-> No, it puts a slash on hitting tab after 'cat /etc'
[18:22] <pdtpatr1ck> ur on 11.10 right?
[18:22] <abhinav-> I am on 11.04
[18:23] <pdtpatr1ck> i've tried it on many boxes with 11.04 and it does it each time.
[18:24] <abhinav-> hm. well I have only one system running :)
[18:25] <cjwatson> I can't reproduce it in my 11.04 chroot either.  But I've seen this kind of thing in the past, so I expect the required circumstances are just a bit more specific than what version of Ubuntu you're running.
[18:26] <cjwatson> I don't know bash-completion well enough to be able to guess what those circumstances might be.
[18:27] <Ampelbein> thinking about it, isn't filename completion a bash internal function and not at all related to the package bash-completion?
[18:28] <pdtpatr1ck> im going to look at the bash_completion code and see what its doing maybe that might help me
[18:31] <cjwatson> Ampelbein: yes, though bash-completion very often overrides it for individual commands
[18:31] <cjwatson> if 'complete -r cat' makes the problem go away, then it's due to bash-completion
[18:31] <pdtpatr1ck> from what im seeing . looks like the directory commands such as cd are will see the directories whereas commands like cat sees the files. Ehh not a big deal.. will look at it more and customize it my liking if i have to
[18:32] <cjwatson> I do not think that explanation matches how it actually works, no
[18:32] <cjwatson> or at least not how it's supposed to work
[18:33] <cjwatson> cd is told to complete *only* over directories, it's true; but that shouldn't influence the suffix placed when some other command such as cat *does* complete a directory
[18:35] <cjwatson> you might check whether you've turned the mark-directories readline option off in ~/.inputrc (if you've never heard of it, you haven't)
[18:36] <cjwatson> although that wouldn't cause an extra space, it would just remove the slash ...
[18:40] <pdtpatr1ck> is there a manual for complete? or is that some function in bash_complete? I don't see where it was created but i've seen it used many times with different options.
[18:46] <cjwatson> it's a bash builtin
[18:46] <cjwatson> it's documented in 'man bash'
[18:50] <pdtpatr1ck> thanks cj
[19:21] <puttaraju> hi,
[19:22] <puttaraju> QUESTION: im following development setup given in link,  http://people.canonical.com/~dholbach/packaging-guide/html/getting-set-up.html#get-set-up-to-work-with-launchpad
[19:23] <puttaraju> its taking  more than 2  hours  for  this  command :   pbuilder-dist <release> create
[19:23] <puttaraju> can anyone tell me  what this might be doing ?
[19:24] <cjwatson> it does have to download quite a lot (as that page says)
[19:24] <puttaraju> anyidea how much?
[19:24] <bryceh> varies on your internet connection / computer
[19:28] <cjwatson> should be on the general order of 100MB (but I don't use pbuilder so I don't know exactly)
[19:33] <puttaraju> cjwatson: thanks for the info
[19:33] <puttaraju> will wait and see for 1 more hour then
[20:26] <rww> Hello! (and apologies if this is the wrong place). What's the separation between "Ubuntu Server" and "Ubuntu Desktop" as far as EOL on LTS goes? Is there a list of packages that are supported for 5 years and the rest are supported for 3 or something?
[20:29] <directhex> rww: yes
[20:30] <rww> directhex: Thanks. Is there a copy of the list for hardy online somewhere?
[20:32] <directhex> good question
[20:33] <rww> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/dapper/supported.txt seems to be the one for Dapper, but the obvious URL substitution doesn't yield one for Hardy, and the Desktop EOL announcement doesn't have one.
[20:36] <directhex> it's somewhere in http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/germinate-output/ubuntu.hardy/ afaik
[20:36] <directhex> there's also a script, ubuntu-maintenance-check or similar
[20:43] <rww> okay, I'll look through that script and see what it's checking against, thanks :)
[20:44] <rww> I assume that no universe and multiverse packages are 5-year packages anyway, just main and restricted?
[21:32] <broder> rww: the 3-year/5-year thing doesn't apply to universe/multiverse in the first place
[21:32] <broder> as i understand it, the extended support periods are a commitment from canonical
[21:36] <cjwatson> on lucid, you can do 'apt-cache show' and get the support period from the Supported: field; I forget how you were supposed to do that on hardy
[21:56] <qb89dragon> I'm making a deb package and need to force dependencies to install silently (without presenting the user with configuration choices), any idea how to modify my control file to do this?
[21:59] <slangasek> qb89dragon: a) packages should in general install silently by default so if they don't, you should consider reporting this as a bug; b) if they prompt for configuration, there's no way to override this from a depending package.
[22:17] <rww> broder: That's what I thought. Thanks :)
[23:06] <pdtpatrick1> Is there some problem with bridge networking in ubuntu?
[23:06] <pdtpatrick1> http://pastebin.com/Yz4bJF8e
[23:31] <slangasek> pdtpatrick1: as the output says, the interface you're using is deprecated.  Is there a particular problem you were trying to fix by using /etc/init.d/networking restart?
[23:32] <slangasek> (but I'm afraid I'm headed afk now, so can't help further with this - but I would expect 'ifup br0' to be what you want)
[23:55] <pdtpatrick1> slangasek, it turns out it was supposed to be bridge_ports instead of bridge_port .. that was fix