=== _LibertyZero is now known as LibertyZero [06:15] * Kreative` is away: Away [06:20] !away > Kreative` [06:20] Kreative`, please see my private message === bambee_ is now known as bambee === tkamppeter_ is now known as tkamppeter [16:07] is start-stop-daemon broken? [16:07] bluefox@icebox:~$ sudo /etc/init.d/privoxy restart [16:07] * Restarting filtering proxy server privoxy [16:07] Warning: Fake start-stop-daemon called, doing nothing. [16:07] no, but your installation is [16:08] I just installed it. [16:08] er, just installed privoxy [16:08] one way in which that can happen is if debootstrap crashed midway through and didn't undo its temporary start-stop-daemon shsim [16:08] *shim [16:08] hmm.... [16:08] I expect you have /sbin/initctl.REAL and /sbin/start-stop-daemon.REAL ... [16:09] yep. [16:09] which package do I reinstall? [16:09] you don't, move those files back over the non-.REAL variants [16:09] I further expect that /debootstrap/debootstrap.log or /var/log/bootstrap.log will exist and have some complaints [16:09] did you debootstrap by hand? [16:09] I have no idea how broken that installation might be in other ways [16:10] no [16:10] what's debootstrap? For building debian from scratch? [16:11] man debootstrap [16:11] sorry, I'm doing other things and won't have time to walk through things that are documented [16:14] k [16:15] this is a new install from a month or two ago so I dunno what happen. Oh well. === dendrobates is now known as dendro-afk === n1xNc0d3 is now known as muneeb === dendro-afk is now known as dendrobates === juliank0 is now known as juliank === dendrobates is now known as dendro-afk === abhinav_ is now known as abhinav- [17:47] it would be nice that apt-get had a "--queue" option to queue actions to the package manager while it's running [18:11] Question -- why is it when u use cat the directories would put a space after each word? whereas if u use cd .. it would do a directory walk adding / at the end as it should? [18:14] pdtpatr1ck: what? [18:16] What i'm asking is .. if for instance i want to do cat /etc/network/interfaces .. if i type cat /et and tab complete - it would add a space instead of doing /etc/ to continue. Whereas cd does it automatically. Just wondering why it does that in ubuntu. [18:19] sounds like a bug in bash-completion [18:20] yeah thats what i thought [18:20] pdtpatr1ck: I can't reproduce in oneiric though [18:20] it doesn't do that for me [18:20] im on 11.04 [18:21] u guys on 11.10 ? [18:21] I can't produce it on Natty [18:21] type cat /etc [18:21] and tab [18:21] does it put a space? [18:21] n [18:21] no [18:21] (11.10) [18:22] No, it puts a slash on hitting tab after 'cat /etc' [18:22] ur on 11.10 right? [18:22] I am on 11.04 [18:23] i've tried it on many boxes with 11.04 and it does it each time. [18:24] hm. well I have only one system running :) [18:25] I can't reproduce it in my 11.04 chroot either. But I've seen this kind of thing in the past, so I expect the required circumstances are just a bit more specific than what version of Ubuntu you're running. [18:26] I don't know bash-completion well enough to be able to guess what those circumstances might be. [18:27] thinking about it, isn't filename completion a bash internal function and not at all related to the package bash-completion? [18:28] im going to look at the bash_completion code and see what its doing maybe that might help me [18:31] Ampelbein: yes, though bash-completion very often overrides it for individual commands [18:31] if 'complete -r cat' makes the problem go away, then it's due to bash-completion [18:31] from what im seeing . looks like the directory commands such as cd are will see the directories whereas commands like cat sees the files. Ehh not a big deal.. will look at it more and customize it my liking if i have to [18:32] I do not think that explanation matches how it actually works, no [18:32] or at least not how it's supposed to work [18:33] cd is told to complete *only* over directories, it's true; but that shouldn't influence the suffix placed when some other command such as cat *does* complete a directory [18:35] you might check whether you've turned the mark-directories readline option off in ~/.inputrc (if you've never heard of it, you haven't) [18:36] although that wouldn't cause an extra space, it would just remove the slash ... [18:40] is there a manual for complete? or is that some function in bash_complete? I don't see where it was created but i've seen it used many times with different options. [18:46] it's a bash builtin [18:46] it's documented in 'man bash' [18:50] thanks cj [19:21] hi, [19:22] QUESTION: im following development setup given in link, http://people.canonical.com/~dholbach/packaging-guide/html/getting-set-up.html#get-set-up-to-work-with-launchpad [19:23] its taking more than 2 hours for this command : pbuilder-dist create [19:23] can anyone tell me what this might be doing ? [19:24] it does have to download quite a lot (as that page says) [19:24] anyidea how much? [19:24] varies on your internet connection / computer [19:28] should be on the general order of 100MB (but I don't use pbuilder so I don't know exactly) [19:33] cjwatson: thanks for the info [19:33] will wait and see for 1 more hour then === yofel_ is now known as yofel === ttx` is now known as ttx === dendro-afk is now known as dendrobates [20:26] Hello! (and apologies if this is the wrong place). What's the separation between "Ubuntu Server" and "Ubuntu Desktop" as far as EOL on LTS goes? Is there a list of packages that are supported for 5 years and the rest are supported for 3 or something? [20:29] rww: yes [20:30] directhex: Thanks. Is there a copy of the list for hardy online somewhere? [20:32] good question [20:33] http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/dapper/supported.txt seems to be the one for Dapper, but the obvious URL substitution doesn't yield one for Hardy, and the Desktop EOL announcement doesn't have one. [20:36] it's somewhere in http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/germinate-output/ubuntu.hardy/ afaik [20:36] there's also a script, ubuntu-maintenance-check or similar [20:43] okay, I'll look through that script and see what it's checking against, thanks :) [20:44] I assume that no universe and multiverse packages are 5-year packages anyway, just main and restricted? [21:32] rww: the 3-year/5-year thing doesn't apply to universe/multiverse in the first place [21:32] as i understand it, the extended support periods are a commitment from canonical [21:36] on lucid, you can do 'apt-cache show' and get the support period from the Supported: field; I forget how you were supposed to do that on hardy === dendrobates is now known as dendro-afk [21:56] I'm making a deb package and need to force dependencies to install silently (without presenting the user with configuration choices), any idea how to modify my control file to do this? [21:59] qb89dragon: a) packages should in general install silently by default so if they don't, you should consider reporting this as a bug; b) if they prompt for configuration, there's no way to override this from a depending package. [22:17] broder: That's what I thought. Thanks :) [23:06] Is there some problem with bridge networking in ubuntu? [23:06] http://pastebin.com/Yz4bJF8e === dendro-afk is now known as dendrobates [23:31] pdtpatrick1: as the output says, the interface you're using is deprecated. Is there a particular problem you were trying to fix by using /etc/init.d/networking restart? [23:32] (but I'm afraid I'm headed afk now, so can't help further with this - but I would expect 'ifup br0' to be what you want) [23:55] slangasek, it turns out it was supposed to be bridge_ports instead of bridge_port .. that was fix