| popey | and there is google talk | 00:02 |
|---|---|---|
| ali1234 | this thing is so slow | 00:04 |
| AlanBell | what handset? | 00:05 |
| ali1234 | galaxy s | 00:05 |
| ali1234 | the main problem here is that it shows the contacts from "other contacts" the ones that gmail automatically adds | 00:06 |
| AlanBell | yeah,I thought that was good | 00:07 |
| ali1234 | if i delete them in gmail i won't get email autocomplete any more | 00:07 |
| ali1234 | but the only option is to show them all or show none of them | 00:08 |
| Azelphur | ali1234: get a T9 dialer | 00:08 |
| ali1234 | what | 00:08 |
| ali1234 | T9 is for text entry | 00:08 |
| ali1234 | phone numbers are composed of numeric characters only | 00:08 |
| ali1234 | so what is a T9 dialer??????????? | 00:09 |
| Azelphur | ali1234: you can get dialers, you dial the first few "numbers" and it picks from your phone book | 00:09 |
| Azelphur | like say for example I wanted to call you | 00:09 |
| ali1234 | but i don't know the first few numbers | 00:09 |
| Azelphur | I'd dial 254, and I'd get you | 00:09 |
| Azelphur | because 2 is Abc, 5 is jkL and 4 is ghI | 00:09 |
| Azelphur | so I dialed Ali and it picked you from the book. | 00:09 |
| ali1234 | ut the phone has no keyboard | 00:09 |
| ali1234 | this makes no sense | 00:10 |
| Azelphur | numbers on the keypad have had letters assigned to them | 00:10 |
| ali1234 | argharalhkfherycelsrlexjfe | 00:10 |
| Azelphur | since forever | 00:10 |
| Azelphur | lol | 00:10 |
| ali1234 | this is doing my head in | 00:10 |
| ali1234 | i can't cope with this phone | 00:10 |
| Azelphur | haha | 00:10 |
| ali1234 | can i turn off the obnoxious transition effect on every single menu? | 00:11 |
| hamitron | I've started to think it is best to have a phone as a phone, and comp as a comp, all things totally seperate | 00:11 |
| Azelphur | ali1234: http://www.simplynetworking.es/wmsimages/60894cell-phone-numbers.jpg | 00:11 |
| Azelphur | phones, since forever, letters have been assigned to the numbers | 00:12 |
| ali1234 | hamitron: that's because it is best | 00:12 |
| Azelphur | with my phone I can dial the name of a contact, and that's who it calls | 00:12 |
| Azelphur | that's what a T9 dialer does, they cool :D | 00:12 |
| ali1234 | skype downloaded 14% | 00:12 |
| ali1234 | this is taking forever | 00:12 |
| hamitron | welcome to my world \o/ | 00:13 |
| hamitron | ;) | 00:13 |
| ali1234 | still at 14%... this better be good | 00:21 |
| hamitron | I've given up with phones | 00:27 |
| hamitron | if I buy anything, will get something that is barely a phone, maybe more like a netbook | 00:28 |
| hamitron | but neither I value highly enough to consider anything atm | 00:28 |
| hamitron | :) | 00:28 |
| ali1234 | hey look at that... skype doesn't work | 00:29 |
| ali1234 | it just says "skype has stopped working" | 00:29 |
| daftykins | ali1234: it knows it's the weekend | 00:37 |
| ali1234 | nope, it's a known bug | 00:37 |
| ali1234 | skype doesn't work on this phone | 00:37 |
| daftykins | called saturday | 00:37 |
| ali1234 | skype not interested in fixing it either | 00:37 |
| daftykins | :> | 00:37 |
| daftykins | i'm sure all but windows phone versions will get pulled soon enough | 00:38 |
| hamitron | because of multitouch? | 00:38 |
| ali1234 | i dunno | 00:39 |
| daftykins | naw | 00:39 |
| ali1234 | because it doesn't work properly it doesn't even finish installing | 00:46 |
| ali1234 | so now i can't uninstall the broken app because the market thing just says "installing" forever | 00:46 |
| ali1234 | this is a joke | 00:46 |
| hamitron | I don't like how there are so many different versions of android, and how new versions come out so quick | 00:46 |
| hamitron | :/ | 00:46 |
| ali1234 | this phone is rubbish, do not buy one | 00:47 |
| hamitron | what is it? | 00:47 |
| Azelphur | ali1234: skype is rubbish, do not use skype | 00:47 |
| Azelphur | :) | 00:47 |
| Azelphur | also do not assess a phone based on skype, because skype is rubbish | 00:48 |
| ali1234 | the uninstaller is also broken | 00:48 |
| ali1234 | the phone is slow, takes ages to boot up | 00:48 |
| Azelphur | probably because it's packaged badly :P | 00:48 |
| ali1234 | android "contacts" is a mess | 00:48 |
| ali1234 | the UI is ugly | 00:48 |
| ali1234 | it's not even properly integrated anyway | 00:50 |
| ali1234 | also this phone is massive for no good reason | 00:50 |
| ali1234 | it's bigger than the N900 | 00:50 |
| ali1234 | why?? | 00:50 |
| ali1234 | i like that i can give skype 1 star and then say "it's defective" when i remove it | 00:51 |
| ali1234 | maybe this thing at least has some good games for it | 00:51 |
| ali1234 | oh, a google+ app | 00:53 |
| ali1234 | lets try it | 00:53 |
| daftykins | what is it? | 00:53 |
| ali1234 | galaxy s | 00:53 |
| daftykins | this phone you hold in such high regard | 00:53 |
| daftykins | ah samsung | 00:53 |
| daftykins | i hear that one's buggy as fudge | 00:53 |
| ali1234 | oh, this one won't even install. nice | 00:54 |
| ali1234 | it just says it "will be downloaded" then nothing happens | 00:54 |
| daftykins | sometimes those statuses are only there for half a sec on mine | 00:54 |
| ali1234 | yeah | 00:55 |
| ali1234 | but then it disappears and the app is not installed | 00:55 |
| ali1234 | well at least i get free angry birds | 00:56 |
| ali1234 | probably the same demo as i had on the nokia though | 00:56 |
| daftykins | latest OS updates i take it? | 00:57 |
| daftykins | and a nice clean boot :D | 00:57 |
| ali1234 | factory reset, dunno what version it has | 00:59 |
| ali1234 | don't really care | 00:59 |
| ali1234 | if i'd paid for this i would be returning it tomorrow | 00:59 |
| daftykins | hehe | 01:00 |
| daftykins | my HTC Desire gets gingerbread this month :D | 01:01 |
| ali1234 | wow... unlock phone to a nice fullscreen "network error" message | 01:01 |
| ali1234 | it doesn't say which network of course | 01:01 |
| daftykins | hahaha | 01:01 |
| daftykins | where'd it come from? | 01:01 |
| ali1234 | i have no idea | 01:02 |
| ali1234 | it doesn't say | 01:02 |
| daftykins | the actual phone i mean | 01:02 |
| ali1234 | it just has an "ok" button on it | 01:02 |
| ali1234 | oh the phone is a loaner from a company i work for sometimes | 01:02 |
| daftykins | ah | 01:03 |
| ali1234 | i will persevere with it and make a list of everything i don't like... that's why they lent it to me after all | 01:04 |
| ali1234 | but seriously if i had bought this i would be really unhappy right about now | 01:04 |
| ali1234 | after all i heard about how symbian sucks and android is way better | 01:06 |
| ali1234 | this is something of a let down | 01:06 |
| daftykins | i'm pretty certain you've got a defective one there | 01:06 |
| ali1234 | i mean symbian might be lacking features, but at least the features it does have actually work | 01:06 |
| daftykins | or the mem card isn't wiped so something's acting screwy | 01:06 |
| ali1234 | that's hardly an excuse | 01:07 |
| daftykins | if it was pre-used, kinda is | 01:07 |
| ali1234 | not at all | 01:07 |
| hamitron | symbian doesn't work with a messed up memory tbh | 01:08 |
| hamitron | ;) | 01:08 |
| ali1234 | factory reset should, you know, reset it to the way it came from the factory | 01:08 |
| daftykins | well that's true up until some dumb user goes "oh but my pics on the microSD..." | 01:08 |
| daftykins | :> | 01:08 |
| ali1234 | symbian doesn't depend on the microsd being available at all | 01:09 |
| ali1234 | it's only used for data files | 01:09 |
| hamitron | don't call me dumb, I done that :/ | 01:09 |
| hamitron | ;) | 01:09 |
| ali1234 | oh it's got that racing game installed on it... maybe this will work | 01:09 |
| daftykins | who said anything about symbian D: | 01:10 |
| * daftykins wipes hamitron | 01:10 | |
| ali1234 | i did | 01:10 |
| ali1234 | symbian works, this doesn't | 01:10 |
| daftykins | very funny. | 01:10 |
| daftykins | ja | 01:10 |
| daftykins | although i'd like to suggest that it's daft to compare an entire OS to another based on one product | 01:10 |
| daftykins | :> | 01:10 |
| directhex | my phone has gotten to the "random reboots when idle" stage \o/ | 01:12 |
| daftykins | ooh wubberly | 01:13 |
| daftykins | which be that? | 01:13 |
| directhex | htc hero, running cm7 | 01:13 |
| daftykins | ah | 01:14 |
| hamitron | gl ali :) | 01:14 |
| hamitron | nn all | 01:14 |
| daftykins | odd, you didn't use to like candybars | 01:14 |
| directhex | daftykins: at the time i was buying, it was the third android phone on the market - htc dream (t-mob g1), htc magic, htc hero | 01:15 |
| directhex | and the g1 was oooold by that point | 01:15 |
| daftykins | true | 01:16 |
| daftykins | i might use a modded ROM once a gingerbread successor is out | 01:16 |
| daftykins | as my Desire won't get any updates past then most likely | 01:16 |
| directhex | i'd rather have a real keyboard though, given how android's input thread is trivially locked out by other goings on | 01:16 |
| ali1234 | heh, that game is actually pretty good | 01:16 |
| directhex | it's frustrating to press a button, the phone detect the keydown event, then take 2 seconds to notice the keyup - so you put a symbol instead of a letter | 01:17 |
| daftykins | i like haptic feedback and typing landscape on mine | 01:17 |
| ali1234 | ooo multiplayer | 01:17 |
| daftykins | heh sounds like the hardware can't handle the ROM | 01:17 |
| directhex | daftykins: true. but it did this on the 1.6 it shipped with ;) | 01:17 |
| directhex | daftykins: android is inherently weak at things like this - modern phones gloss over the flaws with mhz | 01:18 |
| daftykins | mmm | 01:18 |
| directhex | it's new phone time whenever i'm ready | 01:19 |
| directhex | anyway, BEDTIMEZOMG | 01:20 |
| daftykins | indeed it is | 01:21 |
| daftykins | moar TNG for me i think | 01:21 |
| ali1234 | wow the battery is nearly flat already | 01:23 |
| daftykins | welcome to android gaming | 01:23 |
| daftykins | that part is realistic++ | 01:23 |
| daftykins | oh dear god the LCDs are burning my eyes | 01:26 |
| daftykins | that makes it time to move | 01:26 |
| daftykins | o/ | 01:26 |
| ali1234 | stupid samsung won't even let you download the firmware updates | 02:13 |
| ali1234 | you have to install "kies" first | 02:13 |
| ali1234 | then connect the phone to your windows pc | 02:13 |
| ali1234 | this is lame | 02:13 |
| ali1234 | of course kies has a load of stuff i don't need like yet another audio and video player | 02:14 |
| ali1234 | this phone gets really hot :( | 02:33 |
| ali1234 | ok i wiped both the sd cards, did a factory reset, and then wiped the sd cards again, just to be sure | 02:36 |
| ali1234 | now i'm going to attempt to upgrade it | 02:36 |
| ali1234 | then i will do another factory reset and sd wipe, just to be sure | 02:36 |
| ali1234 | ok kies won't let me upgrade because i have country code "xxx" - i guess this is an engineering model or something | 02:52 |
| ali1234 | that might explain why the firmware is so awful | 02:52 |
| ali1234 | so how do i install cyanogenmod? | 02:53 |
| daftykins | 0o | 02:54 |
| daftykins | you might be able to load a ROM from the SD card if you can get to the bootloader for recovery capability | 02:54 |
| ali1234 | well yeah but kies won't even download the firmware | 02:55 |
| daftykins | surely some enterprising xda developers forum member has them hosted | 02:55 |
| daftykins | anywho, bed for me nn! | 02:55 |
| ali1234 | aaaaaaand finally i think i have android 2.3.4? | 04:48 |
| ali1234 | looks better already | 04:48 |
| ali1234 | finally i can select which contact groups to display | 04:54 |
| ali1234 | this is much better | 04:54 |
| ali1234 | the youtube app now shows my subscriptions instead of a bunch of random rubbish | 04:57 |
| ali1234 | again, this is much much better | 04:57 |
| ali1234 | maps is much faster too | 04:58 |
| MartijnVdS | which phone? | 05:02 |
| ali1234 | galaxy s | 05:02 |
| MartijnVdS | which version did you have before? | 05:03 |
| ali1234 | 2.1-update1 | 05:03 |
| MartijnVdS | yes, then 2.3 will be quite an improvement :) | 05:04 |
| ali1234 | 2.1 really sucks | 05:04 |
| ali1234 | but i don't know if it is because of samsung or google | 05:05 |
| MartijnVdS | Samsung probably | 05:05 |
| ali1234 | also the samsung updater refused to update it right to the end | 05:05 |
| ali1234 | i had to use odin and a dodgy rom from xda forums | 05:05 |
| ali1234 | claims to be stock though | 05:05 |
| MartijnVdS | definitely Samsung | 05:05 |
| MartijnVdS | I've re-flashed my Vodafone Nexus One with stock Google firmware | 05:06 |
| MartijnVdS | lost me Dutch speech output, but gained me instant firmware updates | 05:06 |
| MartijnVdS | same on my xoom | 05:06 |
| ali1234 | this was not branded before | 05:06 |
| ali1234 | i think it's engineering model | 05:06 |
| MartijnVdS | mine wasn't branded either | 05:06 |
| MartijnVdS | it just had "European" firmware on it, that was being vetoed by Vodafone | 05:06 |
| ali1234 | "not branded" to the point where it didn't even have a valid country code :) | 05:07 |
| MartijnVdS | oops? | 05:07 |
| ali1234 | i dunno, i don't know much about android | 05:07 |
| ali1234 | i've still got the samsung app store so i guess it's at least semi official | 05:08 |
| MartijnVdS | I hate vendor-branding like that | 05:08 |
| MartijnVdS | (hence my choice of Nexus, also it's metal instead of plastic) | 05:08 |
| ali1234 | me too but it seems to have some free games that cost a few $$ on the android market | 05:09 |
| ali1234 | and it's not like it's in your face all the time | 05:09 |
| MartijnVdS | neither is Google'sMarket | 05:09 |
| ali1234 | it has both | 05:12 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | morning earthlings. | 08:49 |
| Lcawte | Morning | 08:52 |
| * Lcawte wonders if the next ubuntu-gaming team meeting will go ahead... :/ | 08:52 | |
| Myrtti | morning | 08:55 |
| === SuperHark is now known as MichealH | ||
| czajkowski | aloha | 09:46 |
| suprengr | czajkowski, just about to go shopping [yawn] but o/ anyway | 09:51 |
| popey | Lcawte: why wouldn't it? | 09:55 |
| popey | morning all | 09:55 |
| Lcawte | popey: we're not exactly the biggest team yet :P | 09:55 |
| Laney | I thought it was the Debian-Ubuntu games team | 09:55 |
| Laney | or is this something else? | 09:56 |
| Lcawte | launchpad.net/~ubuntu-gaming | 09:57 |
| popey | it is another team Laney | 09:57 |
| Lcawte | wiki.ubuntu.com/GamingTeam | 09:57 |
| popey | sadly | 09:57 |
| brobostigon | morning everyone. | 09:58 |
| Laney | we have nethack | 10:00 |
| Laney | job done? | 10:00 |
| directhex | i wonder if scsharp is in a packageable shape for contrib | 10:02 |
| popey | directhex: do you backup your gameOS? | 10:03 |
| directhex | popey, pfft no. it's called steam! | 10:04 |
| popey | :D | 10:04 |
| directhex | gameos is 100% combustible | 10:04 |
| popey | hah, reporter on bbc news 24 is about to get blown away with her umbrella | 10:04 |
| directhex | bah i miscalculated how much work i would need to do today | 10:05 |
| popey | the disk in my osx mbp went phut, insert disk, connect backup and about 3 clicks later it's all back exactly as it was | 10:05 |
| popey | wish windows and ubuntu had that | 10:05 |
| Myrtti | I think I managed to rescue my photo collection from my on the verge of breaking truecrypted external drive | 10:06 |
| Myrtti | I don't have any decent pictures of me and mum together, the best I found was me wearing a Star Wars t-shirt and we both having our eyes closed | 10:07 |
| Myrtti | so I'll have to survive with the knowledge there's some good pictures of mum that I've taken | 10:07 |
| * popey spies someone subscribing to linuxjobs | 10:13 | |
| Myrtti | :-> | 10:14 |
| dwatkins | popey: thanks for reminding me *buys another backup disk* | 10:15 |
| Myrtti | lolwhat | 10:22 |
| Myrtti | I jumped from popey's electronic playlist to disco playlist... | 10:22 |
| popey | heh | 10:23 |
| popey | spotify? | 10:23 |
| Myrtti | yeah | 10:23 |
| popey | didnt realise I'd shared them | 10:23 |
| gord | i recently learnt that you can create a radio stream based off another user on last.fm, its been rather fun doing htat :) | 10:25 |
| Myrtti | Mew seems to fit my mood at the moment... | 10:26 |
| shauno | noisy bunch today 'eh | 13:10 |
| NeedHelp_ | Hi, I've got a problem with sessions - the startup is slow and most of the time it (Unity or such) fails to appear | 13:38 |
| NeedHelp_ | It started to happen after switching my graphics card from nv to ati, the drivers are installed | 13:39 |
| jacobw | KMS issue? | 13:48 |
| gord | http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/appsblog/2011/jul/15/app-developers-withdraw-us-patents - interesting | 13:58 |
| jacobw | :) | 14:53 |
| jacobw | the speed of my adsl has gone from 6Mbit/s to 8Mbit/s | 14:55 |
| jacobw | since i requested a tranfer from my current isp to another isp | 14:56 |
| jacobw | qos ftw. | 14:56 |
| mfraz74 | good afternoon | 15:12 |
| Azelphur | seems like setting swappiness to 0 didn't solve the issue | 15:29 |
| Azelphur | shiny spike to load average: 13.19, 11.46, 5.95 | 15:30 |
| Azelphur | making everyone time out \o/ | 15:30 |
| subsetOfInsanity | join i3detroit | 15:58 |
| hamitron | !lts | 16:03 |
| lubotu3 | LTS means Long Term Support. LTS versions of Ubuntu will be supported for 3 years on the desktop, and 5 years on the server. The current LTS version of Ubuntu is !Lucid (Lucid Lynx 10.04) | 16:03 |
| * hamitron pokes Azelphur | 16:05 | |
| Azelphur | yea? | 16:05 |
| hamitron | is your server up? | 16:05 |
| Azelphur | no I turned it off because I was bored one day | 16:05 |
| hamitron | ;/ | 16:05 |
| Azelphur | </sarcasm> :P | 16:05 |
| hamitron | something is broken then, elsewhere | 16:07 |
| suprengr | hmm.... sarcasm: the *highest* form of wit [when executed correctly] | 16:11 |
| ^aDaM | Evenings :) | 16:48 |
| Hashishet | t | 17:41 |
| ubuntuuk-planet | [Tony] OggCamp 11 more tickets available! - http://tonywhitmore.co.uk/blog/2011/04/27/oggcamp-11-more-tickets-available/ | 19:12 |
| AlanBell | rss fail from tony there I think | 19:13 |
| HazRPG | hmm | 19:59 |
| HazRPG | indeed | 20:00 |
| brobostigon | evening HazRPG :) | 20:00 |
| HazRPG | about 3 months of a fail too | 20:00 |
| HazRPG | brobostigon: evening :) | 20:00 |
| cbx33 | hey guys | 20:17 |
| cbx33 | is there a way to echo the current bash prompt? | 20:17 |
| AlanBell | for two people to see the same thing? | 20:18 |
| AlanBell | shared screen session? | 20:18 |
| cbx33 | no | 20:18 |
| cbx33 | jsut to echo the single prompt | 20:18 |
| cbx33 | like how to echo john@satsuki:~$ | 20:20 |
| AlanBell | echo $PS1 will show you how it is defined | 20:20 |
| cbx33 | right but what if I actually want it | 20:21 |
| AlanBell | http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Bash-Prompt-HOWTO/index.html it will be in there somewhere | 20:22 |
| AlanBell | although I can't see it | 20:25 |
| AlanBell | pwd will return the current directory | 20:26 |
| bigcalm_lappy486 | Just ordered my 1st SSD. Exciting times! | 20:26 |
| directhex | zomg | 20:28 |
| directhex | a 2T PCIe drive? | 20:28 |
| AlanBell | why isn't avahi-dnsconfd installed by default on ubuntu server | 20:28 |
| penguin42 | AlanBell: Because I assume people setting up servers actually want to be careful about what services it provides | 20:30 |
| AlanBell | suppose so | 20:31 |
| AlanBell | I just like ssh hostname.local to just work | 20:31 |
| penguin42 | nod | 20:32 |
| AlanBell | especially having done the setup, unplugged the monitor and keyboard and such, and put it out of easy reach | 20:33 |
| penguin42 | well you can still go in via ip | 20:34 |
| AlanBell | yeah, did an nmap to find the thing :) | 20:35 |
| * penguin42 generally prefers broadcast pings | 20:35 | |
| AlanBell | how do you do one of them then? | 20:35 |
| penguin42 | AlanBell: ping -b 192.168.1.0 I think should do it | 20:37 |
| penguin42 | hmm not managing to get it to work here, wonder why - even with sudo | 20:37 |
| AlanBell | ping -b 192.168.2.255 gets one machine responding | 20:38 |
| AlanBell | not the one I wanted though | 20:38 |
| penguin42 | odd - I've done it many times before, but not here for quite a while | 20:41 |
| brobostigon | good night everyone, sleep well. | 21:31 |
| shauno | I'd be all for having avahi out of the box. especially if it was clever enough to only start on interfaces that had private addresses | 22:04 |
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