[00:02] <popey> and there is google talk
[00:04] <ali1234> this thing is so slow
[00:05] <AlanBell> what handset?
[00:05] <ali1234> galaxy s
[00:06] <ali1234> the main problem here is that it shows the contacts from "other contacts" the ones that gmail automatically adds
[00:07] <AlanBell> yeah,I thought that was good
[00:07] <ali1234> if i delete them in gmail i won't get email autocomplete any more
[00:08] <ali1234> but the only option is to show them all or show none of them
[00:08] <Azelphur> ali1234: get a T9 dialer
[00:08] <ali1234> what
[00:08] <ali1234> T9 is for text entry
[00:08] <ali1234> phone numbers are composed of numeric characters only
[00:09] <ali1234> so what is a T9 dialer???????????
[00:09] <Azelphur> ali1234: you can get dialers, you dial the first few "numbers" and it picks from your phone book
[00:09] <Azelphur> like say for example I wanted to call you
[00:09] <ali1234> but i don't know the first few numbers
[00:09] <Azelphur> I'd dial 254, and I'd get you
[00:09] <Azelphur> because 2 is Abc, 5 is jkL and 4 is ghI
[00:09] <Azelphur> so I dialed Ali and it picked you from the book.
[00:09] <ali1234> ut the phone has no keyboard
[00:10] <ali1234> this makes no sense
[00:10] <Azelphur> numbers on the keypad have had letters assigned to them
[00:10] <ali1234> argharalhkfherycelsrlexjfe
[00:10] <Azelphur> since forever
[00:10] <Azelphur> lol
[00:10] <ali1234> this is doing my head in
[00:10] <ali1234> i can't cope with this phone
[00:10] <Azelphur> haha
[00:11] <ali1234> can i turn off the obnoxious transition effect on every single menu?
[00:11] <hamitron> I've started to think it is best to have a phone as a phone, and comp as a comp, all things totally seperate
[00:11] <Azelphur> ali1234: http://www.simplynetworking.es/wmsimages/60894cell-phone-numbers.jpg
[00:12] <Azelphur> phones, since forever, letters have been assigned to the numbers
[00:12] <ali1234> hamitron: that's because it is best
[00:12] <Azelphur> with my phone I can dial the name of a contact, and that's who it calls
[00:12] <Azelphur> that's what a T9 dialer does, they cool :D
[00:12] <ali1234> skype downloaded 14%
[00:12] <ali1234> this is taking forever
[00:13] <hamitron> welcome to my world \o/
[00:13] <hamitron> ;)
[00:21] <ali1234> still at 14%... this better be good
[00:27] <hamitron> I've given up with phones
[00:28] <hamitron> if I buy anything, will get something that is barely a phone, maybe more like a netbook
[00:28] <hamitron> but neither I value highly enough to consider anything atm
[00:28] <hamitron> :)
[00:29] <ali1234> hey look at that... skype doesn't work
[00:29] <ali1234> it just says "skype has stopped working"
[00:37] <daftykins> ali1234: it knows it's the weekend
[00:37] <ali1234> nope, it's a known bug
[00:37] <ali1234> skype doesn't work on this phone
[00:37] <daftykins> called saturday
[00:37] <ali1234> skype not interested in fixing it either
[00:37] <daftykins> :>
[00:38] <daftykins> i'm sure all but windows phone versions will get pulled soon enough
[00:38] <hamitron> because of multitouch?
[00:39] <ali1234> i dunno
[00:39] <daftykins> naw
[00:46] <ali1234> because it doesn't work properly it doesn't even finish installing
[00:46] <ali1234> so now i can't uninstall the broken app because the market thing just says "installing" forever
[00:46] <ali1234> this is a joke
[00:46] <hamitron> I don't like how there are so many different versions of android, and how new versions come out so quick
[00:46] <hamitron> :/
[00:47] <ali1234> this phone is rubbish, do not buy one
[00:47] <hamitron> what is it?
[00:47] <Azelphur> ali1234: skype is rubbish, do not use skype
[00:47] <Azelphur> :)
[00:48] <Azelphur> also do not assess a phone based on skype, because skype is rubbish
[00:48] <ali1234> the uninstaller is also broken
[00:48] <ali1234> the phone is slow, takes ages to boot up
[00:48] <Azelphur> probably because it's packaged badly :P
[00:48] <ali1234> android "contacts" is a mess
[00:48] <ali1234> the UI is ugly
[00:50] <ali1234> it's not even properly integrated anyway
[00:50] <ali1234> also this phone is massive for no good reason
[00:50] <ali1234> it's bigger than the N900
[00:50] <ali1234> why??
[00:51] <ali1234> i like that i can give skype 1 star and then say "it's defective" when i remove it
[00:51] <ali1234> maybe this thing at least has some good games for it
[00:53] <ali1234> oh, a google+ app
[00:53] <ali1234> lets try it
[00:53] <daftykins> what is it?
[00:53] <ali1234> galaxy s
[00:53] <daftykins> this phone you hold in such high regard
[00:53] <daftykins> ah samsung
[00:53] <daftykins> i hear that one's buggy as fudge
[00:54] <ali1234> oh, this one won't even install. nice
[00:54] <ali1234> it just says it "will be downloaded" then nothing happens
[00:54] <daftykins> sometimes those statuses are only there for half a sec on mine
[00:55] <ali1234> yeah
[00:55] <ali1234> but then it disappears and the app is not installed
[00:56] <ali1234> well at least i get free angry birds
[00:56] <ali1234> probably the same demo as i had on the nokia though
[00:57] <daftykins> latest OS updates i take it?
[00:57] <daftykins> and a nice clean boot :D
[00:59] <ali1234> factory reset, dunno what version it has
[00:59] <ali1234> don't really care
[00:59] <ali1234> if i'd paid for this i would be returning it tomorrow
[01:00] <daftykins> hehe
[01:01] <daftykins> my HTC Desire gets gingerbread this month :D
[01:01] <ali1234> wow... unlock phone to a nice fullscreen "network error" message
[01:01] <ali1234> it doesn't say which network of course
[01:01] <daftykins> hahaha
[01:01] <daftykins> where'd it come from?
[01:02] <ali1234> i have no idea
[01:02] <ali1234> it doesn't say
[01:02] <daftykins> the actual phone i mean
[01:02] <ali1234> it just has an "ok" button on it
[01:02] <ali1234> oh the phone is a loaner from a company i work for sometimes
[01:03] <daftykins> ah
[01:04] <ali1234> i will persevere with it and make a list of everything i don't like... that's why they lent it to me after all
[01:04] <ali1234> but seriously if i had bought this i would be really unhappy right about now
[01:06] <ali1234> after all i heard about how symbian sucks and android is way better
[01:06] <ali1234> this is something of a let down
[01:06] <daftykins> i'm pretty certain you've got a defective one there
[01:06] <ali1234> i mean symbian might be lacking features, but at least the features it does have actually work
[01:06] <daftykins> or the mem card isn't wiped so something's acting screwy
[01:07] <ali1234> that's hardly an excuse
[01:07] <daftykins> if it was pre-used, kinda is
[01:07] <ali1234> not at all
[01:08] <hamitron> symbian doesn't work with a messed up memory tbh
[01:08] <hamitron> ;)
[01:08] <ali1234> factory reset should, you know, reset it to the way it came from the factory
[01:08] <daftykins> well that's true up until some dumb user goes "oh but my pics on the microSD..."
[01:08] <daftykins> :>
[01:09] <ali1234> symbian doesn't depend on the microsd being available at all
[01:09] <ali1234> it's only used for data files
[01:09] <hamitron> don't call me dumb, I done that :/
[01:09] <hamitron> ;)
[01:09] <ali1234> oh it's got that racing game installed on it... maybe this will work
[01:10] <daftykins> who said anything about symbian D:
[01:10]  * daftykins wipes hamitron 
[01:10] <ali1234> i did
[01:10] <ali1234> symbian works, this doesn't
[01:10] <daftykins> very funny.
[01:10] <daftykins> ja
[01:10] <daftykins> although i'd like to suggest that it's daft to compare an entire OS to another based on one product
[01:10] <daftykins> :>
[01:12] <directhex> my phone has gotten to the "random reboots when idle" stage \o/
[01:13] <daftykins> ooh wubberly
[01:13] <daftykins> which be that?
[01:13] <directhex> htc hero, running cm7
[01:14] <daftykins> ah
[01:14] <hamitron> gl ali :)
[01:14] <hamitron> nn all
[01:14] <daftykins> odd, you didn't use to like candybars
[01:15] <directhex> daftykins: at the time i was buying, it was the third android phone on the market - htc dream (t-mob g1), htc magic, htc hero
[01:15] <directhex> and the g1 was oooold by that point
[01:16] <daftykins> true
[01:16] <daftykins> i might use a modded ROM once a gingerbread successor is out
[01:16] <daftykins> as my Desire won't get any updates past then most likely
[01:16] <directhex> i'd rather have a real keyboard though, given how android's input thread is trivially locked out by other goings on
[01:16] <ali1234> heh, that game is actually pretty good
[01:17] <directhex> it's frustrating to press a button, the phone detect the keydown event, then take 2 seconds to notice the keyup - so you put a symbol instead of a letter
[01:17] <daftykins> i like haptic feedback and typing landscape on mine
[01:17] <ali1234> ooo multiplayer
[01:17] <daftykins> heh sounds like the hardware can't handle the ROM
[01:17] <directhex> daftykins: true. but it did this on the 1.6 it shipped with ;)
[01:18] <directhex> daftykins: android is inherently weak at things like this - modern phones gloss over the flaws with mhz
[01:18] <daftykins> mmm
[01:19] <directhex> it's new phone time whenever i'm ready
[01:20] <directhex> anyway, BEDTIMEZOMG
[01:21] <daftykins> indeed it is
[01:21] <daftykins> moar TNG for me i think
[01:23] <ali1234> wow the battery is nearly flat already
[01:23] <daftykins> welcome to android gaming
[01:23] <daftykins> that part is realistic++
[01:26] <daftykins> oh dear god the LCDs are burning my eyes
[01:26] <daftykins> that makes it time to move
[01:26] <daftykins> o/
[02:13] <ali1234> stupid samsung won't even let you download the firmware updates
[02:13] <ali1234> you have to install "kies" first
[02:13] <ali1234> then connect the phone to your windows pc
[02:13] <ali1234> this is lame
[02:14] <ali1234> of course kies has a load of stuff i don't need like yet another audio and video player
[02:33] <ali1234> this phone gets really hot :(
[02:36] <ali1234> ok i wiped both the sd cards, did a factory reset, and then wiped the sd cards again, just to be sure
[02:36] <ali1234> now i'm going to attempt to upgrade it
[02:36] <ali1234> then i will do another factory reset and sd wipe, just to be sure
[02:52] <ali1234> ok kies won't let me upgrade because i have country code "xxx" - i guess this is an engineering model or something
[02:52] <ali1234> that might explain why the firmware is so awful
[02:53] <ali1234> so how do i install cyanogenmod?
[02:54] <daftykins> 0o
[02:54] <daftykins> you might be able to load a ROM from the SD card if you can get to the bootloader for recovery capability
[02:55] <ali1234> well yeah but kies won't even download the firmware
[02:55] <daftykins> surely some enterprising xda developers forum member has them hosted
[02:55] <daftykins> anywho, bed for me nn!
[04:48] <ali1234> aaaaaaand finally i think i have android 2.3.4?
[04:48] <ali1234> looks better already
[04:54] <ali1234> finally i can select which contact groups to display
[04:54] <ali1234> this is much better
[04:57] <ali1234> the youtube app now shows my subscriptions instead of a bunch of random rubbish
[04:57] <ali1234> again, this is much much better
[04:58] <ali1234> maps is much faster too
[05:02] <MartijnVdS> which phone?
[05:02] <ali1234> galaxy s
[05:03] <MartijnVdS> which version did you have before?
[05:03] <ali1234> 2.1-update1
[05:04] <MartijnVdS> yes, then 2.3 will be quite an improvement :)
[05:04] <ali1234> 2.1 really sucks
[05:05] <ali1234> but i don't know if it is because of samsung or google
[05:05] <MartijnVdS> Samsung probably
[05:05] <ali1234> also the samsung updater refused to update it right to the end
[05:05] <ali1234> i had to use odin and a dodgy rom from xda forums
[05:05] <ali1234> claims to be stock though
[05:05] <MartijnVdS> definitely Samsung
[05:06] <MartijnVdS> I've re-flashed my Vodafone Nexus One with stock Google firmware
[05:06] <MartijnVdS> lost me Dutch speech output, but gained me instant firmware updates
[05:06] <MartijnVdS> same on my xoom
[05:06] <ali1234> this was not branded before
[05:06] <ali1234> i think it's engineering model
[05:06] <MartijnVdS> mine wasn't branded either
[05:06] <MartijnVdS> it just had "European" firmware on it, that was being vetoed by Vodafone
[05:07] <ali1234> "not branded" to the point where it didn't even have a valid country code :)
[05:07] <MartijnVdS> oops?
[05:07] <ali1234> i dunno, i don't know much about android
[05:08] <ali1234> i've still got the samsung app store so i guess it's at least semi official
[05:08] <MartijnVdS> I hate vendor-branding like that
[05:08] <MartijnVdS> (hence my choice of Nexus, also it's metal instead of plastic)
[05:09] <ali1234> me too but it seems to have some free games that cost a few $$ on the android market
[05:09] <ali1234> and it's not like it's in your face all the time
[05:09] <MartijnVdS> neither is Google'sMarket
[05:12] <ali1234> it has both
[08:49] <TheOpenSourcerer> morning earthlings.
[08:52] <Lcawte> Morning
[08:52]  * Lcawte wonders if the next ubuntu-gaming team meeting will go ahead... :/
[08:55] <Myrtti>  morning
[09:46] <czajkowski> aloha
[09:51] <suprengr> czajkowski, just about to go shopping [yawn] but o/ anyway
[09:55] <popey> Lcawte: why wouldn't it?
[09:55] <popey> morning all
[09:55] <Lcawte> popey: we're not exactly the biggest team yet :P
[09:55] <Laney> I thought it was the Debian-Ubuntu games team
[09:56] <Laney> or is this something else?
[09:57] <Lcawte> launchpad.net/~ubuntu-gaming
[09:57] <popey> it is another team Laney
[09:57] <Lcawte> wiki.ubuntu.com/GamingTeam
[09:57] <popey> sadly
[09:58] <brobostigon> morning everyone.
[10:00] <Laney> we have nethack
[10:00] <Laney> job done?
[10:02] <directhex> i wonder if scsharp is in a packageable shape for contrib
[10:03] <popey> directhex: do you backup your gameOS?
[10:04] <directhex> popey, pfft no. it's called steam!
[10:04] <popey> :D
[10:04] <directhex> gameos is 100% combustible
[10:04] <popey> hah, reporter on bbc news 24 is about to get blown away with her umbrella
[10:05] <directhex> bah i miscalculated how much work i would need to do today
[10:05] <popey> the disk in my osx mbp went phut, insert disk, connect backup and about 3 clicks later it's all back exactly as it was
[10:05] <popey> wish windows and ubuntu had that
[10:06] <Myrtti> I think I managed to rescue my photo collection from my on the verge of breaking truecrypted external drive
[10:07] <Myrtti> I don't have any decent pictures of me and mum together, the best I found was me wearing a Star Wars t-shirt and we both having our eyes closed
[10:07] <Myrtti> so I'll have to survive with the knowledge there's some good pictures of mum that I've taken
[10:13]  * popey spies someone subscribing to linuxjobs
[10:14] <Myrtti> :->
[10:15] <dwatkins> popey: thanks for reminding me *buys another backup disk*
[10:22] <Myrtti> lolwhat
[10:22] <Myrtti> I jumped from popey's electronic playlist to disco playlist...
[10:23] <popey> heh
[10:23] <popey> spotify?
[10:23] <Myrtti> yeah
[10:23] <popey> didnt realise I'd shared them
[10:25] <gord> i recently learnt that you can create a radio stream based off another user on last.fm, its been rather fun doing htat :)
[10:26] <Myrtti> Mew seems to fit my mood at the moment...
[13:10] <shauno> noisy bunch today 'eh
[13:38] <NeedHelp_> Hi, I've got a problem with sessions - the startup is slow and most of the time it (Unity or such) fails to appear
[13:39] <NeedHelp_> It started to happen after switching my graphics card from nv to ati, the drivers are installed
[13:48] <jacobw> KMS issue?
[13:58] <gord> http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/appsblog/2011/jul/15/app-developers-withdraw-us-patents - interesting
[14:53] <jacobw> :)
[14:55] <jacobw> the speed of my adsl has gone from 6Mbit/s to 8Mbit/s
[14:56] <jacobw> since i requested a tranfer from my current isp to another isp
[14:56] <jacobw> qos ftw.
[15:12] <mfraz74> good afternoon
[15:29] <Azelphur> seems like setting swappiness to 0 didn't solve the issue
[15:30] <Azelphur> shiny spike to load average: 13.19, 11.46, 5.95
[15:30] <Azelphur> making everyone time out \o/
[15:58] <subsetOfInsanity> join i3detroit
[16:03] <hamitron> !lts
[16:05]  * hamitron pokes Azelphur
[16:05] <Azelphur> yea?
[16:05] <hamitron> is your server up?
[16:05] <Azelphur> no I turned it off because I was bored one day
[16:05] <hamitron> ;/
 :P
[16:07] <hamitron> something is broken then, elsewhere
[16:11] <suprengr> hmm.... sarcasm: the *highest* form of wit [when executed correctly]
[16:48] <^aDaM> Evenings :)
[17:41] <Hashishet> t
[19:12] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Tony] OggCamp 11  more tickets available! - http://tonywhitmore.co.uk/blog/2011/04/27/oggcamp-11-more-tickets-available/
[19:13] <AlanBell> rss fail from tony there I think
[19:59] <HazRPG> hmm
[20:00] <HazRPG> indeed
[20:00] <brobostigon> evening HazRPG :)
[20:00] <HazRPG> about 3 months of a fail too
[20:00] <HazRPG> brobostigon: evening :)
[20:17] <cbx33> hey guys
[20:17] <cbx33> is there a way to echo the current bash prompt?
[20:18] <AlanBell> for two people to see the same thing?
[20:18] <AlanBell> shared screen session?
[20:18] <cbx33> no
[20:18] <cbx33> jsut to echo the single prompt
[20:20] <cbx33> like how to echo john@satsuki:~$
[20:20] <AlanBell> echo $PS1 will show you how it is defined
[20:21] <cbx33> right but what if I actually want it
[20:22] <AlanBell> http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Bash-Prompt-HOWTO/index.html it will be in there somewhere
[20:25] <AlanBell> although I can't see it
[20:26] <AlanBell> pwd will return the current directory
[20:26] <bigcalm_lappy486> Just ordered my 1st SSD. Exciting times!
[20:28] <directhex> zomg
[20:28] <directhex> a 2T PCIe drive?
[20:28] <AlanBell> why isn't avahi-dnsconfd installed by default on ubuntu server
[20:30] <penguin42> AlanBell: Because I assume people setting up servers actually want to be careful about what services it provides
[20:31] <AlanBell> suppose so
[20:31] <AlanBell> I just like ssh hostname.local to just work
[20:32] <penguin42> nod
[20:33] <AlanBell> especially having done the setup, unplugged the monitor and keyboard and such, and put it out of easy reach
[20:34] <penguin42> well you can still go in via ip
[20:35] <AlanBell>  yeah, did an nmap to find the thing :)
[20:35]  * penguin42 generally prefers broadcast pings
[20:35] <AlanBell> how do you do one of them then?
[20:37] <penguin42> AlanBell: ping -b 192.168.1.0  I think should do it
[20:37] <penguin42> hmm not managing to get it to work here, wonder why - even with sudo
[20:38] <AlanBell> ping -b 192.168.2.255 gets one machine responding
[20:38] <AlanBell> not the one I wanted though
[20:41] <penguin42> odd - I've done it many times before, but not here for quite a while
[21:31] <brobostigon> good night everyone, sleep well.
[22:04] <shauno> I'd be all for having avahi out of the box.  especially if it was clever enough to only start on interfaces that had private addresses