[00:05] <john_rambo> do I need to uninstall the current NVIDIA driver before installing the .run downloaded from their site ?
[00:32] <KM0201> anybody around?
[00:33] <stlsaint> KM0201: oi
[00:33] <KM0201> having sound issues (had to buy a new laptop)
[00:34] <KM0201> hang on, getting the device
[00:34] <KM0201> 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 5 Series/3400 Series Chipset High Definition Audio (rev 05)
[00:34] <KM0201> google doesn't turn up much
[00:38] <stlsaint> KM0201: have you turned up alsa?
[00:39] <KM0201> stlsaint: turned up alsa? it's maxed out
[00:40] <stlsaint> KM0201: open a terminal and type in: alsamixer
[00:40] <KM0201> i know that
[00:40] <KM0201> its maxed out
[00:41] <stlsaint> KM0201: can you view your sound preferences?
[00:41] <KM0201> under alsamixer?
[00:41] <KM0201> or w/ pavucontrol?
[00:42] <KM0201> cuz pavucontrol says "connection failed, connection refused"
[00:43] <stlsaint> can you select a sound device in alsa?
[00:43] <KM0201> no
[00:44] <KM0201> i only have 1 device
[00:44] <KM0201> hm... just on a whim... "pulse audio is not installed".. ?
[00:44] <KM0201> i'm thinking that could be a problem.
[00:44] <KM0201> lol
[00:44] <KM0201> installing now
[00:44] <KM0201> brb,
[01:02] <KM0201> ok, sound is working now, just not passing through to my headphones
[01:04] <KM0201> stlsaint: u still around?
[01:07] <phillw> KM0201: (01:43:58) stlsaint: later
[01:07] <KM0201> oh, sorry
[01:07] <KM0201> myst have been gone for that one
[01:08] <KM0201> phillw: any ideas?
[01:08] <phillw> he may have hit the bed!
[01:08] <KM0201> yeah.
[01:09] <KM0201> phillw: ok, well, if Unit193 or bioterror gets bored, ask them to take a look at my prob, i gotta leave for about 5min
[01:09] <phillw> KM0201: you, I would advise the main forum area for the section that deals with it?
[01:09] <KM0201> brb
[01:09] <KM0201> huh?
[01:09] <KM0201> what main forum area?
[01:12] <phillw> KM0201: have a read of the areas on http://ubuntuforums.org/ but for sound..... http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=334 would be my place to head :)
[01:12] <phillw> The stickies there are pretty darn good :)
[01:21] <KM0201> hmm
[01:53] <KM0201> man, i've not had sound probs like this in a long time
[01:53] <KM0201> i can't even find any references to my device
[02:04] <phillw> KM0201: I have not had problems with sound from my 9.04 - so I am not the best to help.
[02:04] <KM0201> yeah, i went through alsaconf(i had to do that on my other acer, but hadn't had to since like 8.10)
[02:04] <KM0201> and my device isn't listed anywhere in that file
[02:06] <phillw> KM0201: is it Lubuntu or generic problem?
[02:10] <KM0201> phillw: not sure, i've not tried it w/ Ubuntu
[02:10] <KM0201> i suspect its a generic problem
[02:10] <KM0201> i just tested my mic w/ skype, works great
[02:11] <KM0201> brb
[02:39] <KM0201> phillw: where can i download lubuntu 11.10
[02:50] <KM0201> Unit193: ?
[02:57] <Unit193> KM0201: http://people.ubuntu.com/~gilir/lubuntu-oneiric-alpha1.iso
[02:58] <Unit193> KM0201: http://people.ubuntu.com/~gilir/md5sum.txt
[02:58] <KM0201> tx
[02:59] <KM0201> this sound thing is driving me nanners Unit193
[02:59] <KM0201> any idas?
[02:59] <Unit193> As always, this development release is NOT suitable for production machines!
[02:59] <KM0201> yeah, yeah.
[02:59] <KM0201> lol
[03:00] <Unit193> And A2 should be out soon
[03:00] <Unit193> "Sound thing" doesn't exactly help
[03:00] <KM0201> oh, i thought maybe you scrolled up
[03:00] <KM0201> 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 5 Series/3400 Series Chipset High Definition Audio (rev 05)
[03:01] <KM0201> mic works, sound (when headphones not plugged in) works, sound does not pass through to headphones
[03:02] <KM0201> Unit193: http://pastebin.com/CrNW2mq5   there's another output thta may help
[03:03] <KM0201> i can't find any reference at all to either of those
[03:06] <Unit193> I haven't really had too many sound issues. I also need to go as there will be an early day tomorrow
[03:07] <KM0201> ah ok
[03:07] <KM0201> best wishes
[03:36]  * phillw can any one please take notice of the topic? 
[03:36]  * phillw we do try!!!!!
[03:38] <Unit193> Forget sleep. The get Lubuntu link didn't seem to have a link for 11.10 (It's going to be in  plain sight)
[03:39] <KM0201> phillw: hmm, it's kinda hidden up there
[03:39] <KM0201> lol
[03:39] <Unit193>  /topic will show you and you get it on join
[03:40] <KM0201> yeah.
[03:40] <KM0201> Unit193: u think downloading the 64bit vversion of Lubuntu, would alleviate my problem?
[03:40] <Unit193> KM0201: On the sound. Did you happen to open alsamixer and see a headphone level?
[03:41] <phillw> KM0201: that has all our list.
[03:41] <KM0201> Unit193: yeah, did that a while ago, it's at 100.
[03:41] <Unit193> And it's on 00 ?
[03:42] <Unit193> phillw: 11.10 was on there (I did see it at the bottom, but didn't happen to see the download link)
[03:42] <Unit193> +?
[03:42] <KM0201> Unit193: yes, 00/100  it's maxed out
[03:43] <KM0201> just for grins, i tried fedora 15, no sound there either
[03:43] <Unit193> And you are sure it works?
[03:43] <KM0201> yes
[03:43] <KM0201> positive
[03:43] <KM0201> if i use headphones under 7, it works fine
[03:44] <KM0201> if i unplug my headphones, sound works fine
[03:44] <Unit193> I don't really do sound as it always seems to work for me (But older than dirt hardware)
[03:45] <KM0201> yeah
[03:45] <KM0201> i had a few minor issues w/ sound and ... i think 8.10 (maybe earlier)
[05:26] <cg2916> Does Lubuntu 11.10 have any major bugs?
[07:29] <erolfr> hello,stupid question:i've installed lubuntu first time,On the Installation i've given my Name "Erik Fröhlich" and Password.Now i can't login,Who is my failure,Wich "User" should i use root and ubuntu don't work
[07:29] <erolfr> Erik or Erik Fröhlich don't, too
[12:11] <drbongo> Hi is it possible to make a single click launch desktop icons?
[12:11] <drbongo> I am also unable to change the double click delay
[12:12] <drbongo> is there anyone out there?
[15:52] <AmberJ> Hello
[15:52] <AmberJ> I think I bumped into a bug on lubuntu 11.04
[15:53] <AmberJ> When I try to open a folder on my DVD drive device, pcmanfm closes (right now there's a VCD in drive)
[15:53] <AmberJ> VCD = Vide CD
[15:53] <AmberJ> *Video
[15:54] <AmberJ> I tried starting pcmanfm from terminal but it drops me back to console prompt after starting pcmanfm....so, I can't get anything on terminal
[16:06] <Byan> so yeah.. installer freezes with new netbook
[16:07] <Byan> and so does "try lubuntu without installing"
[16:07] <Byan> gonna try regular ubuntu now
[16:11] <AmberJ> Byan, Which netbook?
[16:11] <Byan> acer ao722 I think
[16:11] <AmberJ> And, when does it freeze (do you get any messages on console)?
[16:11] <Byan> http://www.amazon.com/Acer-AO722-BZ454-11-6-Inch-Netbook-Espresso/dp/B004UR16ES
[16:12] <Byan> some messages that look like ext4 driver complaining, but thats it
[16:12] <stlsaint> theres a driver for a filesystem?
[16:13] <Byan> it will either freeze when I hit next or it'll freeze at terminal if I do try lubuntu
[16:13] <Byan> seems to hardlock, can't get to tty
[16:13] <Byan> stlsaint: yes..
[16:14] <AmberJ> ah that's bad
[16:17] <stlsaint> Byan: aye, we are not thinking in the same context here...nevermind
[16:31] <Byan> ubuntu hard locks too..
[16:31] <Byan> windows may not even be working..
[16:31] <Byan> this might just be a hardware fail
[16:36] <Byan> nope.. windows works ok
[16:36] <Byan> *sad*
[17:09] <KM0201> \o/oot   got my sound working on my new laptop.
[17:10] <Unit193> What did you do"?
[17:11] <KM0201> um.. find the link
[17:11] <KM0201> http://www.webupd8.org/2010/03/how-to-switch-to-alsa-or-oss-instead-of.html
[17:12] <KM0201> strange thing, i used the part under "Update".... and in the window, my options, are still set to Pulse Audio, but obviously something changed, because my sound is flawless
[17:14] <KM0201> one other strange thing...
[17:14] <KM0201> if I boot 7, and reboot back to Lubuntu, my sound does not work (same behavior as before)..
[17:15] <KM0201> if i shut down from WIndows, then power back on to Lubuntu, sound works fine.
[17:15] <KM0201> restarting Lubuntu and going back to Lubuntu, causes no issue.
[17:23] <Byan> hm
[17:36] <Byan> crunchbang works.. but is obviously missing drivers
[17:37] <KM0201> Byan: so switch to Lubuntu... it's awesome
[17:39] <Byan> lubuntu hard locks on me during installation
[17:40] <KM0201> hm.. whats your hardware?
[17:40] <Byan> I would be willing to wager that the fact that crunchbang is missing the drivers is the reason it's working
[17:40] <Byan> ao 722
[17:40] <Byan> acer ao722
[17:40] <KM0201> hmmm
[17:41] <KM0201> is the live cd booting at all?
[17:41] <Byan> it gets to the wizard and freezes when I hit next
[17:41] <KM0201> cuz just looking at the specs, it has the juice to run Lubuntu quite easily (1ghz, 2gig of ram, 250gig hard drive, radeon 6250)
[17:41] <KM0201> i wonder if the radeon is causing you probs
[17:42] <Byan> 12:13 < Byan> it will either freeze when I hit next or it'll freeze at terminal  if I do try lubuntu
[17:42] <Byan> 12:13 < Byan> seems to hardlock, can't get to tty
[17:42] <Byan> yeah, likely
[17:42] <Byan> thats what I was just saying =p
[17:42] <KM0201> hmm, and i'm not sure how to run the alternate install from USB
[17:43] <Byan> err, the same way you run the live cd?
[17:43] <Byan> is there a way I could disable the ati drivers?
[17:44] <Byan> on the live cd
[17:44] <KM0201> no, because the Alt. CD, specifically looks for files on the CD, which isn't a USB>
[17:44] <Byan> really? hmm
[17:44] <KM0201> yes
[17:44] <KM0201> during the install it will try to access /dev/cdrom
[17:44] <Byan> thats silly of it
[17:44] <KM0201> there's a way to use the alt. cd from the usb.... but i'm not sure how.
[17:45] <Byan> you sure it explicitly does that.. cause I seem to remember people netbooting to alt install
[17:45] <Unit193> Doesn't matter as 11.04 doesn't HAVE an alt cd
[17:46] <Unit193> Try a mini install and add lubuntu-desktop on it (should run with --no-install-recommends)
[17:46] <KM0201> well, this is true..
[17:46] <KM0201> doesn't the mini iso though, install a bunch of gnome crap as well though
[17:46] <Byan> http://lug.mtu.edu/iso/ubuntu/11.04/ubuntu-11.04-alternate-amd64.iso
[17:46] <Unit193> As I said, run   sudo apt-get install lubuntu-desktop --no-install-recommends
[17:46] <Byan> so lubuntu deosn't have an alternate?
[17:47] <KM0201>  Byan thats ubuntu, not lubuntu
[17:47] <Byan> just confirming
[17:47] <KM0201> Byan: have youc onsidered trying to install Lubuntu 32bit?
[17:47] <KM0201> oh wait, you probably have.
[17:47] <Byan> I think thats what I was using
[17:47] <Byan> I wonder if 64bit would work..
[17:48] <Unit193> Byan: It doesn't have one, check the /topic
[17:48] <KM0201> 64bit, as of now, is a community port isn't it?... and frankly, if 32bit doesn't work, it's very unlikely 64bit will.
[17:48] <KM0201> i agree w/ Unit193 mini iso, then install lubuntu-desktop no-recommends
[17:49] <KM0201> Byan: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/DocumentationHelp/MinimalInstall
[17:49] <Byan> hmmm
[17:49] <Byan> minimal works fine from usb, correct?
[17:50] <KM0201> Byan: i have no idea
[17:50] <Byan> I am going to try crunchbang first I think.
[17:50] <KM0201> of course the other option, is to just do an Ubuntu server install, then stick lxde on topp of it
[17:50] <KM0201> Byan: do you have linux experience?... if you doon't... crunchbang/debian is gonna likely be a difficult journey
[17:50] <Byan> I do
[17:51] <Unit193> Byan: It does work with USB. Might as well try #!
[17:51] <Byan> I've used crunchbang in the past
[17:51] <hosoka> hello all
[17:52] <KM0201> oh ok.
[17:52] <Byan> now.. need a name for this machine..
[17:53] <Unit193> Byan: This will go for that too http://xkcd.com/910/
[17:53] <Unit193> hosoka: Howdy
[17:55] <hosoka> I was not able to find a good support for silverlight on Chromium browser. is there any solution ?
[17:55] <Byan> I wish something would remind me to try to think of a name in my idle time before I do this
[17:55] <Unit193> hosoka: What are you looking to do with it? There is moonlight, but you can't use it with Netflix
[17:55] <Byan> on the other hand.. being able to look at the machine while naming it might be important
[17:55] <hosoka> I am using the stable version 12.0.742.112 (90304) Ubuntu 11.04 on Chromium
[17:56] <hosoka> Unit193: do I need to install Netflix also ?
[17:56] <Byan> netflix does not work with linux. End Of Story.
[17:56] <Unit193> hosoka: You don't "install" Netflix
[17:56] <Unit193> ^^^ Exactly
[17:58] <hosoka> as i already installed silverlight but still seeing Mplayer doing just nothing.
[17:59] <hosoka> even if I am using the latest Firefox this silverlight won't work.
[17:59] <Unit193> If you installed silverlight, you did it in wine and that won't interact with anything outside of wine
[17:59] <KM0201> yup.
[18:00] <hosoka> no, installing silverlight will return to the moonlight section which I used.
[18:00] <hosoka> i do not use wine.
[18:00] <KM0201> ..
[18:00] <hosoka> should it not work by default this moonlight with either Chromium or Firefox ?
[18:01] <Unit193> Ok, you installed moonlight? Install moonlight-plugin-chromium also
[18:04] <Unit193> Or moonlight-plugin-mozilla
[18:15] <hosoka> this is the outcome. I am using the website www.uitzendingengemist.nl and there standard it is using silverlight / moonlight. With this the plugin got stuck and then I could use flash and the loading went with any problems. Might be that the plugin of moonlight is getting difficulties.
[18:15] <Byan> somehow I fucked up my windows install
[18:15] <Byan> maybe this thing is cursed and should be returned..
[18:15] <bioterror> !language | Byan
[18:15] <Byan> oh, sorry
[18:17] <Byan> anyone know how to use the recovery partition on an acer by chance?
[18:18] <bioterror> press F11 or something like that
[18:19] <bioterror> and oh well, I got CD with my Acer ;)
[18:19] <bioterror> I've used it as a bookmark when reading bedtime stories
[18:20] <Byan> I got a CD too.. but I don't have a USB cd-rom drive
[18:21] <KM0201> Byan: i think you just hit F11, boot the recover, and let it do its thing
[18:22] <KM0201> how did you screw up your windows partition.. and if you did, are you sure you didn't also screw up your recovery partition?
[18:22] <Byan> I have no idea, and I'm not sure
[18:22] <bioterror> one os per computer, one love ;)
[18:23] <KM0201> bioterror: i got a new laptop yesterday, and i'm seriously debating nuking 7.. it's awful.
[18:23] <KM0201> then i'll put XP in vbox, so i can sync my zune
[18:23] <Byan> there is no open source zune stuff?
[18:24] <KM0201> lol, did you say that w/o laughing?
[18:24] <KM0201> the zune is the only thing microsoft has completely, 100%, secured against hackers
[18:28] <Byan> really hmm
[18:28] <Byan> is it a new zune?
[18:29] <KM0201> no
[18:29] <KM0201> zunes are just extremely difficult to crack, there's been lots of tries
[18:31] <bioterror> no rockbox for zune :D
[18:31] <Byan> good to know..
[18:31] <KM0201> negative (at least to my knowledge)
[18:31] <Byan> never buying a zune
[18:31] <Byan> ipod 5g's are better sounding anyway
[18:32] <KM0201> Byan: they are actually nice players, zune marketplace sucks (kinda like itunes).. i used to sync it w/ a very small xp partition, but it might be time to do it w/ a virtual install.
[18:33] <Byan> do you know what kind of dac they have?
[18:35] <Byan> looks like zune 30 actually has a nice DAC
[18:35] <Byan> hmm
[18:35] <KM0201> i dunno
[18:36] <KM0201> i have an 80gig
[18:36] <KM0201> it's an older one, but i love it
[18:39] <head_victim> I have an iRiver s100. Best money spent ever.
[18:39] <head_victim> Drag and drop music, DAB radio, expandable with micro sd cards.
[18:41] <KM0201> head_victim: i almost bought one of those
[18:42] <head_victim> I was mainly looking for a portable dab radio and its by far the best of those - full colour display when most others have simple text.
[20:50] <Byan> well, son of a bitch, crunchbang won't install
[20:50] <Byan> back to lubuntu-minimal I suppose..
[20:51] <KM0201> hmm
[20:52] <KM0201> whats the prob w/ crunchbang?
[20:52] <Unit193> Byan: That stinks. Do you still have a link for the mini install? (Remember family friendly)
[20:52] <Byan> oh, sorry. not used to being family friendly on irc I guess
[20:52] <Byan> KM0201: not sure, I get a bunch of..
[20:53] <Byan>  syslog says apt-get install or in-target is already running, so you cannot run either of them again until the other instance finishes
[21:25] <Byan> so why is there no alternative install for lubuntu anyway?
[21:25] <Unit193> Because we are not yet using the Ubuntu build system (Each one has to be made by hand)
[21:26] <Byan> oh
[21:29] <Byan> gonna have to restart it cause the acrhive mirror is too slow..
[21:30] <Byan> gah..
[21:30] <Byan> how do I input one by hand
[21:30] <Byan> well shit
[21:32] <Byan> well mdan
[21:32] <Byan> damn
[21:32] <Byan> hmmmmmm
[21:35] <Unit193> Byan: *Each ISO has to be built by one of the devs by hand. You can easily use the mini.iso https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/DocumentationHelp/MinimalInstall
[21:36] <Byan> I am using mini.iso
[21:36] <Byan> it's taking forever to download everything..
[21:38] <Byan> I wonder if I can use the alternate iso from ubuntu...
[22:07] <phillw> Byan: there is an alternate for 10.10 that may be of help. I do not hold the mini-iso's on my server as they can be updated and I would be out of synch with them :/
[22:07] <Byan> is there a way to use ubuntu's alternate for 11.04 and remove ubuntu-desktop from it?
[22:08] <phillw> yes :)
[22:09] <Byan> any hints?
[22:09] <Byan> I feel like there used to be a way to change the packages right in the installer
[22:09] <phillw> it is discussed at http://psychocats.net/ubuntu/purelxde although we do recommend a slightly different command to keep back undeeded stuff... give me a moment to dig out the link
[22:11] <phillw> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/UpgradeToLubuntu
[22:11] <phillw> found it :D
[22:11] <Byan> thats not what I had in mind, but that'll work..
[22:13] <phillw> I think you are minded to the use of tasksel, that is not yet available for Lubuntu as we are not yet 'official'.
[22:14] <phillw> tasksel can install different flavours (along with a whole host of other jobs). One problem being that it has been dropped as a default part of the core :/
[22:14] <Byan> when will we be official?
[22:14] <phillw> 11.10 is the due date for us :)
[22:18] <Byan> anyway
[22:18] <Byan> I have a feeling this won't work anyway
[22:18] <Byan> I think that maybe my MBR is locked..
[22:18] <phillw> At that point, we will also be added to the options for Wubi although you can manually choose a downloaded iso already.
[22:20] <phillw> that is something I am not familiar with, if you ask on #ubuntu-begginers someone there may be better placed to help you.
[22:21] <phillw> Bbeginners*
[22:21] <phillw> FFS
[22:21] <phillw> beginners
[22:32] <Kurdistan> bioterror: are you awake?
[22:36] <Byan> phillw: I chose manual selection of packages and I seem to have something of an ubuntu-minimal install now
[22:36] <Byan> =)
[22:37] <phillw> if you have got a core system installed, you should be able to follow the mini-iso instructions to put lubuntu on.
[22:37] <Byan> yeah, I got it covered from here
[23:37] <KM0201> is there a way to make lubuntu have login/shutdown music?
[23:38] <stlsaint> KM0201: music as in Miley Cyrus music??? o_O
[23:38] <KM0201> lol,
[23:38] <KM0201> i was thinking more like how windows plays a tone when it starts up, or Ubuntu has the africans humming when you log in
[23:41] <stlsaint> africans???
[23:42] <KM0201> woops
[23:43] <stlsaint> KM0201: there are africans humming in ubuntu??
[23:43] <stlsaint> how do you know they are african? :P
[23:43] <KM0201> stlsaint: you've never heard when ubuntu signs on, the africans humming?
[23:43] <KM0201> at least thats what i've been told i tis.
[23:43] <stlsaint> again...how do you know they are africans??
[23:43]  * stlsaint is african-american :P
[23:43] <KM0201> i dunno.. i guess cuz shuttleworth is fromm south africa
[23:44] <KM0201> i didn't say thats what they were, just saying thats what i was told.
[23:44] <stlsaint> sssuuurreeee
[23:44] <KM0201> shuttleworth is from south africa, and is white...
[23:44] <Unit193> Jungle Drums
[23:44] <KM0201> i dunno, doesn't sound like drums ot me, but that's really not the point of my question.
[23:46] <stlsaint> KM0201: i know, i just wanted to poke at ya
[23:48] <KM0201> Unit193: so any idea?
[23:48] <Unit193> KM0201: I have never needed login sounds in Lubuntu (or anything else for that matter...)
[23:49] <KM0201> Unit193: lol, well i don't "need" it.. thats for sure...
[23:49] <KM0201> and it is definitely unnecessary, i won't deny that
[23:49] <stlsaint> KM0201: i know ubuntu can not sure how to in lubuntu
[23:49] <KM0201> yeah, Ubuntu it's easy.
[23:50] <KM0201> Unit193: did i tell you i fixed my sound prob?
[23:51] <Unit193> KM0201: This should give you an idea http://forum.lxde.org/viewtopic.php?t=744&f=8
[23:52] <KM0201> hmmm, well, not that important, Lubuntu boots so fast, i wouldn't want to slow it down while it loaded a tone