=== k1l_ is now known as k1l [14:22] does irclogs.ubuntu.com log PMs [14:23] vibhav: no, technically that's impossible, only freenode could do that (of course it doesn't) [14:23] ok [14:23] thanks [15:51] In #ubuntu-cn, sikao_lfs1 said: !who is your name [15:52] In #ubuntu-cn, Jakalala said: !who is your dady [15:57] !who is your name [16:54] what is the canonical irc channel [16:56] vibhav: for which topic? [16:57] just for knowing [16:57] vibhav: they have their own private irc network, only for canonical employees [16:57] #canonical does not work [16:57] #test [16:59] vibhav: thats a channel on freenode, as it says in that channel's topic it has been moved, might be an old remnant [17:00] ok [17:00] thanks [23:20] I need help adding a #xubuntu specific factoid to ubottu [23:20] factoid should be !nothelping [23:20] Please do not disrupt the channel with off-topic subjects. If you are not using Xubuntu, you are not helping this user. [23:21] charlie-tca: !nothelping-#xubuntu is Please do not... [23:21] okay, I will try that [23:21] although that seems redundant with our !offtopic factoids, assuming there's one for #xubuntu that mentions #xubuntu-offtopic [23:21] (also, I use Debian. Can I not help users now ;)? [23:23] We have several people telling users they can't be helped because the person is not running Xubuntu. We would prefer they not even answer in that case [23:23] We have one that mentions #xubuntu-offtopic, but would like one that tells you not to tell our users you don't run Xubuntu [23:24] If help == "I don't use xubuntu, so I don't know any answers. I use Debian." [23:24] Then, no, that is not helping [23:24] ah [23:24] over in #ubuntu, I generally throw !guidelines and its "When helping, be helpful" header at them. [23:24] the factoid should be more clear then, the way is worded, sounds as "you can't help if you aren't using xubuntu" [23:25] ^ [23:25] That's very direct to the user as stated [23:25] If your response is you are not using Xubuntu, you can not help. correct [23:26] If they help is called"I don't use this", then no, your help is not wanted. [23:26] How about this: !behelpful is As our !guidelines say, "When helping, be helpful". If you're not familiar with the question being asked, let someone else handle it instead of making offtopic comments or jokes. [23:28] s/question being asked/issue at hand/ [23:28] That would be good, too [23:28] I would be happy that instead [23:29] We need to get a handle on this one quickly, though. telling users what you use instead of Xubuntu is not helping at all for us. [23:29] !behelpful is As our !guidelines say, "When helping, be helpful". If you're not familiar with the issue at hand, let someone else handle it instead of making !offtopic comments or jokes. [23:29] I'll remember that, rww [23:29] Thank you, rww [23:29] I also note that for corner cases, the IRC Guidelines' command to obey operator directives is useful :) [23:30] yes, I brought that up, too [23:33] I knew someone else would be better than me with wording it. [23:34] with growth comes pain, I guess